They are really starting to miss ol W, all of you

[JRK]

Stlll gulping down the Koolaid ain't ya? Nobody graduates from Yale and goes for an MBA at Harvard with "gentleman's C's"....I'd think a fella like you would know more about the Ivy League...what was handed to him on a platter? He lost his first race for Congress. Then he bought a failing Texas Ranger franchise, got Arlington a smokin money deal to build a new stadium, traded Sammy Sossa (which he considers the worst mistake of his life), then sold the franchise for several million$ and ran for Governor and won (twice).

Clinton's "surplus" was the dot.com boom that went bust and cost our economy a TRILLION DOLLARS. The recession that followed that pile of garbage and his murdering shrew of a wife out of the WH was corrected with tax cuts that are still keeping us barely afloat. Clinton ignored al-Qaida not Bush. Tell us when, what cities, what flights, and what targets Bush was supposed to have ignored. Keeping Tenant (Clinton's CIA chief) was the problem....he missed all the signs not Dubya. Would Clinton have gone after bin-Laden like Dubya did? He wouldn't take him twice when the thug was offered to us, why would he after the Twin Towers? Bush gave us back our national manhood after Slick Willy emasculated the entire country by raping women in the Oval Office. Oh and BTW, Bush43 scored a higher IQ than both Gore and Kerry on the Stanford Benet test, and didn't squander $6T on solar scams and thousands more government jobs like the mutt your crowd put in the WH after him.

Clintons "surplus" did not have 9-11
it had a GOP congress
It did not have a dot com bubble bursting and by 2007 we were back to 162 billion

WHo in gods name know that 19 insanly motivated terrorist with box cutters, legal passports, legal plane tickets were going to turn them into scud missle 9-11-2001?
when they can show us that intel, I will gladly agree[/QUOTE]

You might (probably will not) look for the report made by an FBI agent wanting to know why we had Arab folks learning to fly large jet aircraft and not being worried about how to land those aircraft. Remember those flight schools the terrorists attended? Or are you going to say they didn't attend those schools?

You think a little follow up by the FBI might have made a difference on 9/11?. Sure it would have.

That occured during Clintons watch
Again what event triggers stopping these men to fly that day?
you ever heard of the ACLU?
you cannot profile
Not allowing those men to fly because they where Arabs who took flying lessons would be no different than saying a black man could not eat at a hamburger joint because to took lessons to be a cook and he was black
a federal lawsuit is all that would get you
right away

Intent? never was established with these 19 "Men"
It is that simple and is one of the lies that put BHOin power

 

[Esmeralda]

Poll: Obama Worse than Bush on Foreign Policy

Your poll was taken by and published by "Reason," a libertarian monthly. LOL Not biased or anything.

And your link is Breitbart.

BREITBART lol. W was a total catastrophe...zzzzzzzzz

Bush was a complete and utter failure at foreign policy. Even our strongest allies were deeply relieved to see the last of him.

 

[JRK]

Poll: Obama Worse than Bush on Foreign Policy

Your poll was taken by and published by "Reason," a libertarian monthly. LOL Not biased or anything.

And your link is Breitbart.

BREITBART lol. W was a total catastrophe...zzzzzzzzz

Bush was a complete and utter failure at foreign policy. Even our strongest allies were deeply relieved to see the last of him.

do you expect a poll that does not make BHO look good to be published on ABC?, CBS?
CNN? NBC?

You guys talk about these web sites as though there biased, they just report the 50% of the news no-one eese does

 

[JimBowie1958]

Poll: Obama Worse than Bush on Foreign Policy

A POTUS who is really bad, doesn't make a previous POTUS who was also bad any better.

Bush was a fake conservative, and greatly harmed civil rights in this country.

That Obama is a Marxist who appears to be setting himself up to establish a stealth dictatorship does not make Bush even a little bit better.

To Hell with both of them.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Poll: Obama Worse than Bush on Foreign Policy

Your poll was taken by and published by "Reason," a libertarian monthly. LOL Not biased or anything.

And your link is Breitbart.

Lol, good to see that ad hominem is still alive and well among the libtards.

 

[Esmeralda]

on THIS day you say that?

A cartoon is a fitting form for a bed wetter's arguement.

It's argument. And why don't you all address the real issues instead of just name calling or saying people follow democratic principles because we get free stuff? I haven't gotten any 'free stuff' for nearly 20 years, and then it was some short term unemployment, yet my democratic principles are stronger than ever. Whereas, millions of right wingers bitching about 'free stuff' are on social security and taking advantage of medicaid.

 

[JimBowie1958]

on THIS day you say that?

A cartoon is a fitting form for a bed wetter's arguement.

It's argument.

NO, a cartoon is not an argument and the one you presented isn't even rational or truthful.

And why don't you all address the real issues instead of just name calling or saying people follow democratic principles because we get free stuff? I haven't gotten any 'free stuff' for nearly 20 years, and then it was some short term unemployment, yet my democratic principles are stronger than ever. Whereas, millions of right wingers bitching about 'free stuff' are on social security and taking advantage of medicaid.

Most conservatives that are not radical libertarians do not call Social Security benefits 'free stuff', because those benefits have been EARNED through years of work and paying SS taxes.

 

[JRK]

Poll: Obama Worse than Bush on Foreign Policy

A POTUS who is really bad, doesn't make a previous POTUS who was also bad any better.

Bush was a fake conservative, and greatly harmed civil rights in this country.

That Obama is a Marxist who appears to be setting himself up to establish a stealth dictatorship does not make Bush even a little bit better.

To Hell with both of them.

Civil rights?
what did W do to your civil rights?
and
GWB was a right wing blue dog democrat, like use to be in south
No child was his way of bi partisan politics
Medicare D turned out to be pretty good
Medicare Part D: A Health Care Success Story - Forbes

really thats all the spending he added ( no child relly did ot add that much)
Total federal education funding increased from $42.2 billion to $55.7 billion from 2001
this was done with a dem controlled senate
No Child Left Behind Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Sallow]

Poll: Obama Worse than Bush on Foreign Policy

Remember when Obama said he would go into any country to take out Bin Laden?

Republicans called him naive, inexperienced, out of his depth. So what did he do? He put down Bin Laden.

He did exactly what he said he would do.

And who tried to take credit for it? That's right. Republicans.

You think that's lost on Assad? If he listened to Republicans, he would have nothing to worry about. But if he goes by what Obama says he is going to do and what he's done, Assad has plenty to worry about.

Remember when Obama said he would wage the war in Afghanistan and win it? Yeah, the rest of the world does too.
Remember when he sold the Poles down the river to the Russians? They havent forgotten. Neither one.
Remember when he tried to humiliate Netanyahu? Not forgotten either.
Remember when he went to Copenhagen and you declared it was a great victory? Yeah, I didnt forget that one.
Remember when Obama said if Assad used chem weapons it would be a red line? Yeah, Obama doesn't remember it either.
Remember when Obama berated the Bush Administration for acting unilaterally? No, Obama doesnt remember that either.
Remember when Obama said he would ask Congress for authrority to act?

Obama's foreign policy record is a pathetic series of mis-steps, miscalculations, bad information, and bad decisions. We are the laughingstock of the world. The Commander in Chief of the strongest nation on Earth gets his lunch eaten by Vladimir Putin.
The worst president ever. And that includes Marshall Petain.

Bush foreign policy left hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis dead..thousands of Americans dead and many more Americans maimed. It also cost trillions.

It's a farce even to compare the two.

 

[Sallow]

Poll: Obama Worse than Bush on Foreign Policy

A POTUS who is really bad, doesn't make a previous POTUS who was also bad any better.

Bush was a fake conservative, and greatly harmed civil rights in this country.

That Obama is a Marxist who appears to be setting himself up to establish a stealth dictatorship does not make Bush even a little bit better.

To Hell with both of them.

Civil rights?
what did W do to your civil rights?
and
GWB was a right wing blue dog democrat, like use to be in south
No child was his way of bi partisan politics
Medicare D turned out to be pretty good
Medicare Part D: A Health Care Success Story - Forbes

really thats all the spending he added ( no child relly did ot add that much)
Total federal education funding increased from $42.2 billion to $55.7 billion from 2001
this was done with a dem controlled senate
No Child Left Behind Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Patriot Act was one of the biggest attacks on Civil Rights in decades.

 

[zeke]

FBI in Az. sent alert before 9-11 of Arabs in flight schools
by Tucson Citizen on May. 03, 2002, under News


The Associated Press

The Associated Press

WASHINGTON – Two months before the suicide hijackings, an FBI agent in Arizona alerted Washington headquarters that several Middle Easterners were training at a U.S. aviation school and recommended contacting other schools nationwide where Arabs might be studying, law enforcement officials said.

The FBI sent the notice to its terrorism experts in Washington and New York for analysis and had begun discussing conducting a nationwide canvass of flight schools when the Sept. 11 tragedies occurred, officials told The Associated Press.

At least one leader of the 19 hijackers, Hani Hanjour, received flight training in Arizona in 2001, but his name had not surfaced in the FBI intelligence from Arizona, the officials said.

None of the Middle Eastern men identified by the Arizona counterterrorism agents or any information contained in their July 2001 memo pointed to the suicide plot that leveled the World Trade Center and killed thousands in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania, officials said.

“None of the people identified by Phoenix are connected to the Sept. 11 attacks,” FBI Assistant Director John Collingwood said last night.

“The Phoenix communication went to appropriate operational agents and analysts, but it did not lead to uncovering the impending attacks,” Collingwood said.

Officials said FBI counterterrorism agents in Phoenix had “suspicions” about why several Arab men were seeking airport operations, security information and pilot training and recommended, among other things, that the FBI begin alerting local agents when Middle Easterners sought visas for training at local aeronautical schools, officials said.

The FBI’s concerns about the U.S. flight schools are the latest revelation about information, much of it sketchy, that the government possessed before Sept. 11 concerning the possibility of terrorism in the skies. For example:

- The AP reported last month that Filipino authorities alerted the FBI as early as 1995 that several Middle Eastern pilots were training at American flight schools, and at least one had proposed hijacking a commercial jet and crashing it into federal buildings.

- A month after the 2001 memo from Arizona to FBI headquarters, FBI agents in Minnesota arrested a French citizen of Moroccan descent, Zacarias Moussaoui, after a flight school instructor became suspicious of his desire to learn to fly a commercial jet.

Moussaoui has since emerged as the single most important defendant in the post-Sept. 11 investigation, charged with conspiring with the hijackers and Osama bin Laden to kill thousands of Americans. Prosecutors are seeking the death penalty.

- About the same time as the Phoenix memo and Moussaoui’s arrest, U.S. intelligence issued a late-summer warning that there was heightened risk of a terrorist attack on Americans, possibly even on U.S. soil, officials have said.

Law enforcement officials said in retrospect the FBI believes it should have accelerated the suggested check of U.S. flight schools after Moussaoui’s arrest but does not believe it would have led to the hijackers.

FBI officials said a supervisory agent in Arizona wrote a several-page memo to FBI headquarters in July 2001 laying out information his counterterrorism team had developed in an unrelated investigation. A portion of the memo dealt with an Arizona flight school, officials said.

The memo indicated agents were suspicious about why several nonresident Arab men were seeking training at a commercial aeronautical school in Prescott, Ariz. Collingwood said the men “were enrolled in various aspects of civil aviation engineering, airport operations and pilot training.” The agents were particularly concerned that some were attempting to learn about airport security operations, officials said.

The Phoenix memo urged FBI headquarters to assemble a list of U.S. aviation academies and to instruct field offices across the country to “liaison” with their local schools where other Middle Easterners might be training, officials said.

The information was shared with intelligence analysts who monitored terrorist threats and was even sent to the FBI office in New York that had the most experience with terrorism cases, officials said.

After the suicide attacks, the FBI quickly descended on flight schools nationwide, identifying academies in Florida, Arizona and elsewhere where the leaders of the 19 hijackers trained.

Hanjour, believed to have piloted the jetliner that crashed into the Pentagon, trained at a flight academy in Phoenix between January and March 2001, the government has said in court documents.

Some witnesses have also said they believe another hijacker, Ziad Samir Jarrah, trained on an Arizona flight simulator in the months before the attacks. But the FBI has no evidence that either man was connected to the Prescott school identified in the July 2001 memo, officials said.

The FBI also investigated whether an Algerian pilot who spent time in Arizona may have helped train the hijackers before leaving the United States before the attacks.

That man, Lotfi Raissi, was later apprehended in Britain, but U.S. officials failed to persuade a court there to extradite him to the United States. Law enforcement officials say their suspicions about his connections to the hijackers have since fizzled.

An Arizona businessman who assisted U.S. intelligence said he alerted the FBI in the mid-1990s that one or more Middle Eastern pilots were training or working in his state and appeared suspicious. Harry Ellen said he told an FBI agent in Phoenix in late 1996 or early 1997 that he met an Algerian pilot and several Middle Eastern men at an Arizona mosque. Ellen assisted U.S. intelligence during the 1990s but later had a falling out over his business and personal dealings.

“I brought this to the attention of an agent in the local FBI whom I knew,” Ellen said. “They did not seem particularly interested in the presence of these people. I stressed it was very odd that the Algerian man was involved in aviation.”

“One of the other men I believe was probably Mr. Raissi, although he would have been thinner and younger at the time,” Ellen said.

Law enforcement officials said that while Ellen helped the FBI, agents in Arizona have no record or recollection of him providing information about pilots.

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So we basically ignored good intelligence about a terror attack. To bad we didn't aggressively follow up the leads being provided.

Maybe if the Rethugs hadn't been obsessed with Clintons blow job, Clinton could have focused on this intelligence and kept a disaster from happening. To bad Bush didn't aggressively go after this intelligence 2 months before 9/11.

Obviously we are not very good at the intelligence game. 9/11 and Iraq should prove that.

 

[Esmeralda]

The American people, if they had their way, would have George and his war cronies in orange jump suits, with bags over their heads, handcuffed to their seats, and on their way to the Hague for war crime trials.

If not the Americans, certainly most of the rest of the world would.

 

[Esmeralda]

A cartoon is a fitting form for a bed wetter's arguement.

It's argument.

NO, a cartoon is not an argument and the one you presented isn't even rational or truthful.

And why don't you all address the real issues instead of just name calling or saying people follow democratic principles because we get free stuff? I haven't gotten any 'free stuff' for nearly 20 years, and then it was some short term unemployment, yet my democratic principles are stronger than ever. Whereas, millions of right wingers bitching about 'free stuff' are on social security and taking advantage of medicaid.

Most conservatives that are not radical libertarians do not call Social Security benefits 'free stuff', because those benefits have been EARNED through years of work and paying SS taxes.

LOL I was referring to your poor spelling. It's 'argument,' not 'arguement.'

 

[birddog]

Remember when Obama said he would go into any country to take out Bin Laden?

Republicans called him naive, inexperienced, out of his depth. So what did he do? He put down Bin Laden.

He did exactly what he said he would do.

And who tried to take credit for it? That's right. Republicans.

You think that's lost on Assad? If he listened to Republicans, he would have nothing to worry about. But if he goes by what Obama says he is going to do and what he's done, Assad has plenty to worry about.

Remember when Obama said he would wage the war in Afghanistan and win it? Yeah, the rest of the world does too.
Remember when he sold the Poles down the river to the Russians? They havent forgotten. Neither one.
Remember when he tried to humiliate Netanyahu? Not forgotten either.
Remember when he went to Copenhagen and you declared it was a great victory? Yeah, I didnt forget that one.
Remember when Obama said if Assad used chem weapons it would be a red line? Yeah, Obama doesn't remember it either.
Remember when Obama berated the Bush Administration for acting unilaterally? No, Obama doesnt remember that either.
Remember when Obama said he would ask Congress for authrority to act?

Obama's foreign policy record is a pathetic series of mis-steps, miscalculations, bad information, and bad decisions. We are the laughingstock of the world. The Commander in Chief of the strongest nation on Earth gets his lunch eaten by Vladimir Putin.
The worst president ever. And that includes Marshall Petain.

Bush foreign policy left hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis dead..thousands of Americans dead and many more Americans maimed. It also cost trillions.

It's a farce even to compare the two.

Obama is much worse, that's true. Bush was put into a bad situation by Clinton's ineptness. That said, I didn't agree with Bush putting ground troops into Iraq. Bush was more honest than Obama by doing what he said he would. The cost of Obama's policies are not yet complete.

Perhaps we ought to compare both to Johnson's VietNam war that cost us 58,000, and it cost millions of Viet lives when we were not allowed to win the war due to dipshits like Fonda, Kerry, and you!

 

[MisterBeale]

Its still that Obama 47 per cent, which is like the cow as perfect veterinary patient, where the vet is able to stick his entire arm up to his armpit down the cow's birth canal and the cow will simply stand there nonchalantly chewing its cud wondering what is going on. They're never going to complain about anything as long as they're receiving their "Free stuff"

Obama is president by virtue of his incentivizing the welfare lifestyle, allowing widespread sloth and indolence to become viable alternatives to seeking gainful employment.

Obama as Senator introduced the Pigford Reparations bill affecting only a few hundred wronged individuals. Later, when it became law after Obama became president, he invited one and all, blacks, hispanics, women to come, no proof or documentation necessary, to plunge their snouts into the government trough.

Obama at Loyola University, 1998: "Those people receiving government welfare, along with the working poor, constitute a critical mass, that if manipulated properly, could lead to putting a (Communist) in office and keeping him there for a considerable length of time."

I searched for that quote and couldn't find it anywhere, sorry. I'd be REALLY ecstatic if you could come up with that. Searched through that speech, and found the famous quote about him believing in redistribution, but nothing like this quote. You really need to post your sources.

 

[MisterBeale]

Poll: Obama Worse than Bush on Foreign Policy

A POTUS who is really bad, doesn't make a previous POTUS who was also bad any better.

Bush was a fake conservative, and greatly harmed civil rights in this country.

That Obama is a Marxist who appears to be setting himself up to establish a stealth dictatorship does not make Bush even a little bit better.

To Hell with both of them.

amen.

 

[JRK]

Remember when Obama said he would go into any country to take out Bin Laden?

Republicans called him naive, inexperienced, out of his depth. So what did he do? He put down Bin Laden.

He did exactly what he said he would do.

And who tried to take credit for it? That's right. Republicans.

You think that's lost on Assad? If he listened to Republicans, he would have nothing to worry about. But if he goes by what Obama says he is going to do and what he's done, Assad has plenty to worry about.

Remember when Obama said he would wage the war in Afghanistan and win it? Yeah, the rest of the world does too.
Remember when he sold the Poles down the river to the Russians? They havent forgotten. Neither one.
Remember when he tried to humiliate Netanyahu? Not forgotten either.
Remember when he went to Copenhagen and you declared it was a great victory? Yeah, I didnt forget that one.
Remember when Obama said if Assad used chem weapons it would be a red line? Yeah, Obama doesn't remember it either.
Remember when Obama berated the Bush Administration for acting unilaterally? No, Obama doesnt remember that either.
Remember when Obama said he would ask Congress for authrority to act?

Obama's foreign policy record is a pathetic series of mis-steps, miscalculations, bad information, and bad decisions. We are the laughingstock of the world. The Commander in Chief of the strongest nation on Earth gets his lunch eaten by Vladimir Putin.
The worst president ever. And that includes Marshall Petain.

Bush foreign policy left hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis dead..thousands of Americans dead and many more Americans maimed. It also cost trillions.

It's a farce even to compare the two.

It is the total picture
100s of thousabnds have been killed in Syria by the same people who did the killing in Iraq which BTW was not tha many more than murdered in US during the same time
It is alleged by the NY times Saddam killed over 1 million
Since then, Mr. Hussein's has been a tale of terror that scholars have compared to that of Stalin, whom the Iraqi leader is said to revere, even if his own brutalities have played out on a small scale. Stalin killed 20 million of his own people, historians have concluded. Even on a proportional basis, his crimes far surpass Mr. Hussein's, but figures of a million dead Iraqis, in war and through terror, may not be far from the mark, in a country of 22 million people.

Where the comparison seems closest is in the regime's mercilessly sadistic character. Iraq has its gulag of prisons, dungeons and torture chambers -- some of them acknowledged, like Abu Ghraib, and as many more disguised as hotels, sports centers and other innocent-sounding places. It has its overlapping secret-police agencies, and its culture of betrayal, with family members denouncing each other, and offices and factories becoming hives of perfidy.

''Enemies of the state'' are eliminated, and their spouses, adult children and even cousins are often tortured and killed along with them.

Mr. Hussein even uses Stalinist maxims, including what an Iraqi defector identified as one of the dictator's favorites: ''If there is a person, then there is a problem. If there is no person, then there is no problem.''
The World; How Many People Has Hussein Killed? - New York Times

It depends on the spin

whats the diff in terrorist killing Syrians or Terrorist killing Iraqis?
In June 2013, the death toll surpassed 100,000 according to the United Nations,[48] and reached 120,000 by September 2013.[76]
Syrian civil war - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
110,600 violent deaths, (AP) in Iraq during the war through 2009
Casualties of the Iraq War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
How about Egypt?
The Iraqi are free of Saddam and there month to onth death rate peobably is much lower than our own now
Syria still has WMDs
Saddam does not

How many have been murdered in the US sense 2003?
In 2011, an estimated 14,612 persons were murdered in the United States
muliply that X 10 you got about the same as Iraq (114,612)
what does that tell you?
Allot of spin going on here
http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j...2IGgDw&usg=AFQjCNHWg7qBT2SJNqfVp6Osk2LVGn2SDQ