2 Cops shot dead by crazy gun nut Obama hater

[Gunny]

Read the article. His WIFE said he was furious about Obama being elected, was concinvced the gov't. was conspiring to get him.
He was a walking time bomb. A powerful man who got up after being Taz'ed (?!?!) so that 2 cops were not enough tto subdue hi,m.
This is yet another incident that police departments across the country will review and modify their procedures. Those cops should have been notified he carried a weapon and they should have had him facedown, hand behind his back, cuffed, with a cop's knee between his shoulder blades,
cop's gun to his head.

His wife or familiy or friends who knew him saw the signs and should have taken preventative action.
Gun collector, angry, emotionally unbalanced, paranoid, prone to attack, violent.

Take away the guy's weapons, like you would take away a drunk's car keys,
before someone gets hurt.

Any arguments like "OH, well we shouldn't do that....it would be violating his rights..."
are sheer cowardice.
Take away crazy people's weapons, or you may be the one who is staring at that those wild eyes and into that gunbarrel.

I read the article. He was furious over a missing tube of Clearasil. It says he was "severely disturbed" over Obama's election as one of several asides to show his mental instability. It does not state that was his motive for shooting the cops as you have tried to imply with your thread title.

This is case that isn't going to be reviewed more than any other and you're just trying to sensationalize. The guy was a gun range. How much more clue does one need than THAT?

Obviously YOU didn't read your own article or you'd know HE took two guns away from his wife. It is not his friends nor his wife's responsibility. She obviously filed charges of domestic violence against the guy.

Trying to take someone's guns away is not only stupid on your part, it's irresponsible of you to even suggest such a thing where someone might actually try such a stunt.

The court is who failed here. The guy was obviously a KNOWN whacko and a judge let him walk without a conviction.

So now its the "Court's" fault, it was the "court's' responsibility - nobody else ?

What ever happened to government (court is a governmental body) staying out of people's lives, not interfering ?
You can't get your arguments straight, they are twisting all around your feet.

We can take care of our selves, without governmental intervention.
Take away crazy fuckers' weapons.
Don't count on a court order, don't fall back on its "the court's fault...oh where is the court when you need them..."
Only lib wimp pussies talk or think like that.

Got news for you pal, my story's straight and completely logical. You however are flailing around looking for anything and everything to try and unbury your ass.

Come get my gun, Billy Badass. See what you get for your effort. I don't care that you get yourself killed but you're trying to get others killed telling them to be just as stupid.

Your argument concerning government is fallacious. Government should stay out of our lives to greatest extent possible but when you violate one of the government's laws then you should be held accountable and YOU, not the government, put yourself in that position. The fact is, the guy violated the law and a lenient court let him walk. I'm all for gun ownership rights and I'm also all for maxing out anyone that abuses that right.

 

[WorldAHope]

I read the entire article. You have made a dishonest, partisan presentation. One you will find I dismantled nicely for you.

Partisan ?
The news article said he was an unbalanced Obama hater afraind the government was conspiring to get him.
Plain and simple.
The newspaper nwf - North West Florida - partisan ?

2 cops are dead, Gunny. In that area, it is most likely they were registered Republicans.
What is partisan about their deaths, or the shooter's ?

One more log for the fire.
Police departments across the country are working this REPEATED phenomena,
talking this through - Republican and Democrat and non affiliated police officers.
Police experts and investigators are looking at the REPEATED mechanics: WHY and HOW and WHAT triggers this behavior
and what can be done to prevent it.

save a cop. take away crazy fuckers' weapons.

You have been corrected already. I'm calling YOU, not the paper, not the shooter, not the cops, partisan. YOU wrote the thread title with no evidence whatsoever that this guy being severely disturbed over Obama's election had ANYTHING to do with the shooting.

The news article did NOT say he was an unbalanced Obama hater. That's YOU making connections that are not present.

Nothing can be done to prevent the behavior. That's what happens when you live in an allegedly free society. Cops are ALWAYS in reaction mode. The criminal ALWAYS dictates the action.

I did not say that his feelings for Obama were motivation. The cops trying to apprehend him was what made him draw and squeeze off rounds at police officers. That, and the fact that he was a
a crazy fucker.
I simply put the "Gun nut + Obama hater" together in the thread name.
I could 've added he was righthanded, that he weighed 220 pounds, was a bouncer, was laid off from his job, that he had serious anger issues.

He did kill 2 cops, he was a gun nut, he hated Obama.
Or as the paper said, he was "severely disturbed' by Obama being elected.

 

[WillowTree]

two words , Murrah Building

My Two Words




FUCK YEW

 

[tigerbob]

Crazy disturbed people need to be separated from any access to weapons.
Take it upon yourselves, if you know of any person who is emotionally unstable, is paranoid and convinced that the government is conspitring to get him and to take away his guns, etc, etc,
Save some lives. Take away that crazy fucker's weapons before another cop is killed,
or is forced to kill.
Separate crazy people from deadly weapons.

http://www.nwfdailynews.com/news/cartwright_16963___article.html/elizabeth_deputies.html

Shooting deaths: 'None of it makes sense'
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A day after two deputies died in Crestview, an offense report filed against the gunman reveals he was angry Saturday about a missing tube of Clearasil
April 26, 2009 - 4:24 PM
Andrew Gant
Daily News

The events that led to the shooting deaths of two Okaloosa County sheriff's deputies Saturday began in a small top-floor apartment in Fort Walton Beach - with an argument over a tube of Clearasil.

On Sunday, lawmen still were investigating why Joshua Cartwright, a 28-year-old U.S. Army Reserve soldier with a history of violence, killed Okaloosa County sheriff's deputies Burt Lopez and Warren "Skip" York at a gun range in Crestview.

A few minutes after he killed the deputies, Cartwright was himself killed in a shootout with lawmen in DeFuniak Springs.

"None of it's logical, none of it makes sense," said interim Sheriff Ed Spooner on Sunday. "He'd obviously just got something else in his mind."

An offense report filed against Cartwright the day he died outlines an angry husband who threatened his wife, kept guns and knives on hand, was "severely disturbed" that Barack Obama had been elected president, and believed the U.S. government was conspiring against him.

According to the report, events spun out of control Saturday morning.

It's a tragic story, but what are you suggesting?

Take away someone's guns because they seem a little bit odd or have an opinion that is fundamentally different to your own? What qualifies the general public to determine whether someone is dangerous?

Report them to the cops? Unless they have a reason to remove someone's weapons there's not much they'd be able to do.

Until laws are tightened up in this regard there's no proactive way of getting at the problem within the legal framework.

The hypocrisy IS rather obvious. You can't arrest criminals for what they are thinking -- only after they commit a crime. Yet when it comes to gun owners, lefties always presume guilt simply by reason of ownership and want to go flailing around in the dark trying to be preemptive about THAT.

It would be the thin end of the wedge. I think the cops are given an almost impossible job trying to remove guns from people who clearly shouldn't have them while not trampling all over the constitutional rights of those who may have a less than perfect reputation but haven't actually done anything wrong.

 

[tigerbob]

It's a tragic story, but what are you suggesting?

Take away someone's guns because they seem a little bit odd or have an opinion that is fundamentally different to your own? What qualifies the general public to determine whether someone is dangerous?

Report them to the cops? Unless they have a reason to remove someone's weapons there's not much they'd be able to do.

Until laws are tightened up in this regard there's no proactive way of getting at the problem within the legal framework.

Ahh yes, the old "tighten" up the law routine. I have a thread about this shooting and it asks just what the intent was of the lean on the story, the intent of course is to lend credence to the claim military veterans are dangerous and might be terrorists and it aids the current spin by the press and the Liberals to find someway to restrict weapons access . All of course, again, for our own good.


By the way DUMB ASS, if someone is functioning just fine but has a paranoid problem with thinking the Government is out to take his weapons, the assured way to start a shooting is to arrive to TAKE AWAY his weapons.

And as a matter of fact if he was charged with domestic violence or convicted he already lost his right to own weapons. So start asking why the local cops did not seize his weapons the last time he was in JAIL. Either they failed to enforce the law or the wife said no and took responsibility for those weapons.

The law doesn't need to be tightened. Had the current law been enforced, he could not legally possess firearms.

And yet we see the law being circumvented...

I'm not saying I disagree, but it appears there are too many ways for some people to wriggle through the cracks.

 

[Bfgrn]

Here is an article from a local Florida paper...

It is clear WAHope's headline is NOT misleading AND this right wing NUT shouldn't have been allowed to have a fucking squirt gun!


Shooting deaths: 'None of it makes sense'
The events that led to the shooting deaths of two Okaloosa County sheriff's deputies Saturday began in a small top-floor apartment in Fort Walton Beach - with an argument over a tube of Clearasil.

On Sunday, lawmen still were investigating why Joshua Cartwright, a 28-year-old U.S. Army Reserve soldier with a history of violence, killed Okaloosa County sheriff's deputies Burt Lopez and Warren "Skip" York at a gun range in Crestview.

A few minutes after he killed the deputies, Cartwright was himself killed in a shootout with lawmen in DeFuniak Springs.

"None of it's logical, none of it makes sense," said interim Sheriff Ed Spooner on Sunday. "He'd obviously just got something else in his mind."

An offense report filed against Cartwright the day he died outlines an angry husband who threatened his wife, kept guns and knives on hand, was "severely disturbed" that Barack Obama had been elected president, and believed the U.S. government was conspiring against him.

According to the report, events spun out of control Saturday morning.

please review and adhere to the rules for posting copywritten material
thanks

OK del, here's an edited version...just don't accuse me of cherry picking...


Shooting deaths: 'None of it makes sense'

On Sunday, lawmen still were investigating why Joshua Cartwright, a 28-year-old U.S. Army Reserve soldier with a history of violence, killed Okaloosa County sheriff's deputies Burt Lopez and Warren "Skip" York at a gun range in Crestview.

A few minutes after he killed the deputies, Cartwright was himself killed in a shootout with lawmen in DeFuniak Springs.

An offense report filed against Cartwright the day he died outlines an angry husband who threatened his wife, kept guns and knives on hand, was "severely disturbed" that Barack Obama had been elected president, and believed the U.S. government was conspiring against him.


Cartwright's 21-year-old wife, Elizabeth, told deputies her husband was not attending anger management counseling - something the court ordered after Cartwright was charged with domestic battery against Elizabeth in late 2008.

---

When she picked up one of his pistols near the bed, Cartwright took it away from her. He had "numerous guns and knives throughout the house," Elizabeth told deputies later.

As the argument escalated, Cartwright threw Elizabeth back on the bed and hit her in the face, according to the report. He stopped when he noticed someone looking in their window, which fronts a nearby elevator. But he wouldn't let Elizabeth leave the bedroom.

"(Elizabeth) told me her husband gets very controlling and authoritarian when he is angry," a deputy wrote.

She eventually got out of the room and took a Taurus 9mm handgun from her purse for self-defense. Cartwright took that gun, too, then punched her and threw her to the floor, according to the report.

 

[tigerbob]

Watch them deny that this guy killed Cops because he bought into the idea that Obama is some Bad man out to take his guns away.

This is just the tip of the iceberg.

with the rethoric of what is left of the republican party that is being spewed we are going to have another Murrah building.

This guy killed people because he was nuts. Crazy doesn't do politics.

Flipping out over Clearasil? Was this a particularly liberal bottle of Clearasil?

 

[del]

Here is an article from a local Florida paper...

It is clear WAHope's headline is NOT misleading AND this right wing NUT shouldn't have been allowed to have a fucking squirt gun!


Shooting deaths: 'None of it makes sense'
The events that led to the shooting deaths of two Okaloosa County sheriff's deputies Saturday began in a small top-floor apartment in Fort Walton Beach - with an argument over a tube of Clearasil.

On Sunday, lawmen still were investigating why Joshua Cartwright, a 28-year-old U.S. Army Reserve soldier with a history of violence, killed Okaloosa County sheriff's deputies Burt Lopez and Warren "Skip" York at a gun range in Crestview.

A few minutes after he killed the deputies, Cartwright was himself killed in a shootout with lawmen in DeFuniak Springs.

"None of it's logical, none of it makes sense," said interim Sheriff Ed Spooner on Sunday. "He'd obviously just got something else in his mind."

An offense report filed against Cartwright the day he died outlines an angry husband who threatened his wife, kept guns and knives on hand, was "severely disturbed" that Barack Obama had been elected president, and believed the U.S. government was conspiring against him.

According to the report, events spun out of control Saturday morning.

please review and adhere to the rules for posting copywritten material
thanks

OK del, here's an edited version...just don't accuse me of cherry picking...


Shooting deaths: 'None of it makes sense'

On Sunday, lawmen still were investigating why Joshua Cartwright, a 28-year-old U.S. Army Reserve soldier with a history of violence, killed Okaloosa County sheriff's deputies Burt Lopez and Warren "Skip" York at a gun range in Crestview.

A few minutes after he killed the deputies, Cartwright was himself killed in a shootout with lawmen in DeFuniak Springs.

An offense report filed against Cartwright the day he died outlines an angry husband who threatened his wife, kept guns and knives on hand, was "severely disturbed" that Barack Obama had been elected president, and believed the U.S. government was conspiring against him.


Cartwright's 21-year-old wife, Elizabeth, told deputies her husband was not attending anger management counseling - something the court ordered after Cartwright was charged with domestic battery against Elizabeth in late 2008.

---

When she picked up one of his pistols near the bed, Cartwright took it away from her. He had "numerous guns and knives throughout the house," Elizabeth told deputies later.

As the argument escalated, Cartwright threw Elizabeth back on the bed and hit her in the face, according to the report. He stopped when he noticed someone looking in their window, which fronts a nearby elevator. But he wouldn't let Elizabeth leave the bedroom.

"(Elizabeth) told me her husband gets very controlling and authoritarian when he is angry," a deputy wrote.

She eventually got out of the room and took a Taurus 9mm handgun from her purse for self-defense. Cartwright took that gun, too, then punched her and threw her to the floor, according to the report.

not cherrypicking, just inability to read for comprehension, i guess.

thanks

 

[WorldAHope]

The hypocrisy IS rather obvious. You can't arrest criminals for what they are thinking -- only after they commit a crime. Yet when it comes to gun owners, lefties always presume guilt simply by reason of ownership and want to go flailing around in the dark trying to be preemptive about THAT.

As a noncom in the military, was it not your responsibility to stay alert to the mental and emotional state of the troops under your command, especially if they can access live ammunition ?
Wouldn't it be remiss for a Sgt. to ignore, fail to act with a guy like this who was under their command, especially if his platoon mates said "Hey, this guy's got serious issues......" ?
I speak from my own experience.

The scenario you present has NOTHING to do with the events reported in the article. In your scenario, as SNCOIC, I have authority and responsibility. None such exists with this guy except with the court that apparently let him walk from a domestic violence charge with a promise to attend anger management; which, he quit attending.

So if anyone is at fault here, it's a lenient court, and a failure by the court to follow up and ensure he is fulfilling his commitment.

If I know a person who is emotionally unbalanced and has a collection of guns, a person who I suspect will do themselves or others harm - Obama hater or lover, matters not - I will, and have, intervened.
I won't wait for a 'court' to issue a piece of paper.

It astounds me that such arguements are put forwrd, arguments that counter what has been
offerred up by the same people on different topics.

Laws must be obeyed to the letter (but not for illegal secret torture).
Government should stay out of people's business and let citizens decide and do what is best for them (we mustn't take any action to get between crazies and lethal weapons - have to let the courts and authorities handle all that).

If your son in law is emotionally unbalanced, has guns, you're gonna tell your daughter,
"Hon, Daddy can't do anything until the court order comes through"
Un Be Leevable.

 

[DavidS]

You know - multiple cop shootings are on the rise since these whackos started stocking up on guns. But hey, let's give them assault rifle permits and AK-47's so they can REALLY go out there and cause havoc!

I'm all for the right to bear arms, as in a gun or two around the house for self defensive measures. I also have zero problem with gun collectors. But I am not a fan of people having and using military grade weapons - especially when they outgun police officers.

This is just a HUGE pot of water that is leading up to a boil. The radicals like Sarah Palin and co. got the right wing fired up when they tried to peg Obama as someone who "pals around with terrorists." Crowds would shout "TERRORIST!" at McCain rallies when called upon to describe Obama... and even though Obama has not made one single solitary comment about guns since he was elected, the far right has stocked up on guns like toy trains.

We are due for a severely hot summer with the coming El Nino... if one of these right-wing fuckers gets a clear shot on Obama - you can expect massive riots this summer. Pig flu. Economy. Socialism. May Day protests....All of the ingredients are coming together nicely now for a Summer no one will forget. Wish I could just leave the country from June - September.

You are ignorant of the facts and the LAW. In order to BE PROTECTED by the Second Amendment, a weapon MUST be of a type that is used by or useful to the military. That was a Supreme Court Decision in 1939. Texas Vs White as I recall.

Yes and if I go back I'm sure I can find Supreme Court decisions that show that it is perfectly constitutional to enslave black people.

We didn't have the type of weapons back in 1939 we have now. There's no reason why my neighbor needs a bazooka or rocket launcher or sub-machine gun that fire 300 rounds a minute.

Add in the recent decision that the 2nd is a PERSONAL INDIVIDUAL RIGHT and you do not get to grab weapons cause you do not like how they look.

I don't really care how guns look - I'm not really a connoisseur of guns. I care about their capability. If these guns can blow up my house, I'm pretty sure they don't need it. I have no problem with my neighbor having a handgun to protect himself from intruders nor do I have a problem with people carrying guns in a responsible manner in public i.e. concealed carry. I do have a problem with my neighbor carrying an M249 Para SAW Machine Gun.

Fully automatic weapons are illegal in 17 States and the other 33 require a FEDERAL license for every individual fully automatic weapon you own or possess. I believe the fee is 800 dollars a year now and includes a thorough investigation by the Federal and local authorities. You must keep the Government informed of exactly where you maintain said weapon and even if on a one night stay over have to report where you will have said weapon. If you are traveling it is YOUR responsibility to ensure you do not carry said weapon into a State where it is illegal, license doesn't apply in those States. The only AK-47's you can buy are SEMI AUTOMATIC and no more powerful then a hunting rifle in the 30.06 range. ANd most of them are cheap ass Chinese knock offs and couldn't hit the broad side of Barn door. Had one for a short while the sights were so fucked you couldn't even adjust them to be close to accurate. Sold the damn worthless piece of shit.

blah blah blah. You don't need it. If some guy is breaking into your home, do you think an uzi is going to kill him more than a 9 mm?

 

[tigerbob]

Ahh yes, the old "tighten" up the law routine. I have a thread about this shooting and it asks just what the intent was of the lean on the story, the intent of course is to lend credence to the claim military veterans are dangerous and might be terrorists and it aids the current spin by the press and the Liberals to find someway to restrict weapons access . All of course, again, for our own good.


By the way DUMB ASS, if someone is functioning just fine but has a paranoid problem with thinking the Government is out to take his weapons, the assured way to start a shooting is to arrive to TAKE AWAY his weapons.

And as a matter of fact if he was charged with domestic violence or convicted he already lost his right to own weapons. So start asking why the local cops did not seize his weapons the last time he was in JAIL. Either they failed to enforce the law or the wife said no and took responsibility for those weapons.

The law doesn't need to be tightened. Had the current law been enforced, he could not legally possess firearms.

The wife, if not charged with domestic violence could have take custody of the weapons, HOWEVER normally the way the law is written any person in the household is barred from weapons ownership until the entire matter is settled.

There you go - almost complete contradiction yet it's still "the law". That's exactly the kind of tightening up needed.

 

[Gunny]

Partisan ?
The news article said he was an unbalanced Obama hater afraind the government was conspiring to get him.
Plain and simple.
The newspaper nwf - North West Florida - partisan ?

2 cops are dead, Gunny. In that area, it is most likely they were registered Republicans.
What is partisan about their deaths, or the shooter's ?

One more log for the fire.
Police departments across the country are working this REPEATED phenomena,
talking this through - Republican and Democrat and non affiliated police officers.
Police experts and investigators are looking at the REPEATED mechanics: WHY and HOW and WHAT triggers this behavior
and what can be done to prevent it.

save a cop. take away crazy fuckers' weapons.

You have been corrected already. I'm calling YOU, not the paper, not the shooter, not the cops, partisan. YOU wrote the thread title with no evidence whatsoever that this guy being severely disturbed over Obama's election had ANYTHING to do with the shooting.

The news article did NOT say he was an unbalanced Obama hater. That's YOU making connections that are not present.

Nothing can be done to prevent the behavior. That's what happens when you live in an allegedly free society. Cops are ALWAYS in reaction mode. The criminal ALWAYS dictates the action.

I did not say that his feelings for Obama were motivation. The cops trying to apprehend him was what made him draw and squeeze off rounds at police officers. That, and the fact that he was a
a crazy fucker.
I simply put the "Gun nut + Obama hater" together in the thread name.
I could 've added he was righthanded, that he weighed 220 pounds, was a bouncer, was laid off from his job, that he had serious anger issues.

He did kill 2 cops, he was a gun nut, he hated Obama.
Or as the paper said, he was "severely disturbed' by Obama being elected.

Look again at your thread title. The implication is clear.

 

[Gunny]

Ahh yes, the old "tighten" up the law routine. I have a thread about this shooting and it asks just what the intent was of the lean on the story, the intent of course is to lend credence to the claim military veterans are dangerous and might be terrorists and it aids the current spin by the press and the Liberals to find someway to restrict weapons access . All of course, again, for our own good.


By the way DUMB ASS, if someone is functioning just fine but has a paranoid problem with thinking the Government is out to take his weapons, the assured way to start a shooting is to arrive to TAKE AWAY his weapons.

And as a matter of fact if he was charged with domestic violence or convicted he already lost his right to own weapons. So start asking why the local cops did not seize his weapons the last time he was in JAIL. Either they failed to enforce the law or the wife said no and took responsibility for those weapons.

The law doesn't need to be tightened. Had the current law been enforced, he could not legally possess firearms.

And yet we see the law being circumvented...

I'm not saying I disagree, but it appears there are too many ways for some people to wriggle through the cracks.

This same thing happened at VT. A guy that was KNOWN to be a whacko was ignored by the very people that could have and should have done something.

 

[Gunny]

As a noncom in the military, was it not your responsibility to stay alert to the mental and emotional state of the troops under your command, especially if they can access live ammunition ?
Wouldn't it be remiss for a Sgt. to ignore, fail to act with a guy like this who was under their command, especially if his platoon mates said "Hey, this guy's got serious issues......" ?
I speak from my own experience.

The scenario you present has NOTHING to do with the events reported in the article. In your scenario, as SNCOIC, I have authority and responsibility. None such exists with this guy except with the court that apparently let him walk from a domestic violence charge with a promise to attend anger management; which, he quit attending.

So if anyone is at fault here, it's a lenient court, and a failure by the court to follow up and ensure he is fulfilling his commitment.

If I know a person who is emotionally unbalanced and has a collection of guns, a person who I suspect will do themselves or others harm - Obama hater or lover, matters not - I will, and have, intervened.
I won't wait for a 'court' to issue a piece of paper.

It astounds me that such arguements are put forwrd, arguments that counter what has been
offerred up by the same people on different topics.

Laws must be obeyed to the letter (but not for illegal secret torture).
Government should stay out of people's business and let citizens decide and do what is best for them (we mustn't take any action to get between crazies and lethal weapons - have to let the courts and authorities handle all that).

If your son in law is emotionally unbalanced, has guns, you're gonna tell your daughter,
"Hon, Daddy can't do anything until the court order comes through"
Un Be Leevable.

You're lucky you didn't get shot. Not very liberal of you sticking your self-righteous nose in other people's business.

I don't offer a counter argument on another issue. I don't believe it is the place of the people to enforce law. That's what we hire law enforcement for. That isn't the government interfering. That's a person violating a law we the people agreed upon and hired law enforcement to enforce and putting his/her own head in the noose to suffer the we the people via the legislature have deemed appropriate.

 

[tigerbob]

The law doesn't need to be tightened. Had the current law been enforced, he could not legally possess firearms.

And yet we see the law being circumvented...

I'm not saying I disagree, but it appears there are too many ways for some people to wriggle through the cracks.

This same thing happened at VT. A guy that was KNOWN to be a whacko was ignored by the very people that could have and should have done something.

That's why I think things need to be tighter. There are a whole host of groups, agencies etc. who have responsibilities in this area. This should be a good thing, but it often results in either buck passing, assumption that someone else is handling it or lack of cohesion between teams leading to the ball being dropped.

 

[jillian]

And yet we see the law being circumvented...

I'm not saying I disagree, but it appears there are too many ways for some people to wriggle through the cracks.

The fact that a law is being circumvented doesn't mean you need new laws. It means you need to enforce the ones you have.

 

[tigerbob]

Partisan ?
The news article said he was an unbalanced Obama hater afraind the government was conspiring to get him.
Plain and simple.
The newspaper nwf - North West Florida - partisan ?

2 cops are dead, Gunny. In that area, it is most likely they were registered Republicans.
What is partisan about their deaths, or the shooter's ?

One more log for the fire.
Police departments across the country are working this REPEATED phenomena,
talking this through - Republican and Democrat and non affiliated police officers.
Police experts and investigators are looking at the REPEATED mechanics: WHY and HOW and WHAT triggers this behavior
and what can be done to prevent it.

save a cop. take away crazy fuckers' weapons.

You have been corrected already. I'm calling YOU, not the paper, not the shooter, not the cops, partisan. YOU wrote the thread title with no evidence whatsoever that this guy being severely disturbed over Obama's election had ANYTHING to do with the shooting.

The news article did NOT say he was an unbalanced Obama hater. That's YOU making connections that are not present.

Nothing can be done to prevent the behavior. That's what happens when you live in an allegedly free society. Cops are ALWAYS in reaction mode. The criminal ALWAYS dictates the action.

I did not say that his feelings for Obama were motivation. The cops trying to apprehend him was what made him draw and squeeze off rounds at police officers. That, and the fact that he was a
a crazy fucker.
I simply put the "Gun nut + Obama hater" together in the thread name.
I could 've added he was righthanded, that he weighed 220 pounds, was a bouncer, was laid off from his job, that he had serious anger issues.

He did kill 2 cops, he was a gun nut, he hated Obama.
Or as the paper said, he was "severely disturbed' by Obama being elected.

A lot of people on this board would describe themselves as being "severely disturbed" by Obama being elected. It's not as singular a phrase as you seem to feel.

 

[Truthmatters]

ANYONE who knows someone with guns and CRAZY assed ideas about killing the people who are soon going to be coming for their guns should report them.

All it takes is a cop stopping them for a ticket and the mayhem could begin.

Stop adding to the insanity with LIES abotu this government and report the gun nuts who are claiming they will kill people for the safety of their guns.

 

[Gunny]

And yet we see the law being circumvented...

I'm not saying I disagree, but it appears there are too many ways for some people to wriggle through the cracks.

This same thing happened at VT. A guy that was KNOWN to be a whacko was ignored by the very people that could have and should have done something.

That's why I think things need to be tighter. There are a whole host of groups, agencies etc. who have responsibilities in this area. This should be a good thing, but it often results in either buck passing, assumption that someone else is handling it or lack of cohesion between teams leading to the ball being dropped.

I think in this case, the ball was dropped. He passed through a courtroom with an overworked judge and got the basic "first time" deal with no real attention paid to him. The court hammering this guy would have been no assurance he could not obtain a firearm and still commit the crime. It definitely means he'd have had to work harder at it.

 

[WorldAHope]

You have been corrected already. I'm calling YOU, not the paper, not the shooter, not the cops, partisan. YOU wrote the thread title with no evidence whatsoever that this guy being severely disturbed over Obama's election had ANYTHING to do with the shooting.

The news article did NOT say he was an unbalanced Obama hater. That's YOU making connections that are not present.

Nothing can be done to prevent the behavior. That's what happens when you live in an allegedly free society. Cops are ALWAYS in reaction mode. The criminal ALWAYS dictates the action.

I did not say that his feelings for Obama were motivation. The cops trying to apprehend him was what made him draw and squeeze off rounds at police officers. That, and the fact that he was a
a crazy fucker.
I simply put the "Gun nut + Obama hater" together in the thread name.
I could 've added he was righthanded, that he weighed 220 pounds, was a bouncer, was laid off from his job, that he had serious anger issues.

He did kill 2 cops, he was a gun nut, he hated Obama.
Or as the paper said, he was "severely disturbed' by Obama being elected.

Look again at your thread title. The implication is clear.

Touchy about the possible connection ?
You stress the relationship between his violence and his being "severely disturbed " about Obama
more than I.
It IS a problem in this country.
I advise we face it honestly, wiht eyes open,
not dishonestly, trying to cover it up.