Are new refrigerators more efficient than older ones?

[justoffal]

Supposedly.... Most new appliances come with KWH annual usage posted on them.

I'm not sure who comes up with these numbers but it's pretty easy to come up with your own numbers.

Use a little device called a KILL-A-WATT....
You plug it into the wall and then plug the appliance into the meter. For a refrigerator I would run it for a week.

My refrigerator claimed 900 KWH per year when I bought it 4 years ago.

That's about 17.3 KWH per week.
When I metered the machine itself it indicated that average weekly usage was closer to 26.
About 1, 350 a year.

Why the disparity? Not sure really. I suppose it could be due to the fact that my refrigerator has a lot of users and doesn't just sit for long periods of time with the door shut.

Oddly the older models from 40 and 50 years ago have comparable KWH usage. I found some input here on a form that was discussing refrigerator energy usage that I thought was comical and interesting.


dublin on July 31, 2023 | next [–]

Utter Bullshit! Today's refrigerators are no more efficient than those from decades ago. In fact, the older, banned refrigerants are often more efficient, since their refrigerants were optimally designed and selected for maximum performance/efficiency in the first place! (And engineers were much better then, too. Really. Plus, I assure you that Thermodynamics has not changed in the interim!)
I'm sure my 35 y.o. Freon refrigerator is pretty much identically efficient to a modern one. The biggest difference is that mine is still running beautifully halfway through its 4th decade, while all the latest Chinese-sht-tech refrigerators will be unfixably dead in about five years at the outside. People should consider that* environmental and efficiency advantage!

 

[Woodznutz]

Supposedly.... Most new appliances come with KWH annual usage posted on them.

I'm not sure who comes up with these numbers but it's pretty easy to come up with your own numbers.

Use a little device called a KILL-A-WATT....
You plug it into the wall and then plug the appliance into the meter. For a refrigerator I would run it for a week.

My refrigerator claimed 900 KWH per year when I bought it 4 years ago.

That's about 17.3 KWH per week.
When I metered the machine itself it indicated that average weekly usage was closer to 26.
About 1, 350 a year.

Why the disparity? Not sure really. I suppose it could be due to the fact that my refrigerator has a lot of users and doesn't just sit for long periods of time with the door shut.

Oddly the older models from 40 and 50 years ago have comparable KWH usage. I found some input here on a form that was discussing refrigerator energy usage that I thought was comical and interesting.


dublin on July 31, 2023 | next [–]

Utter Bullshit! Today's refrigerators are no more efficient than those from decades ago. In fact, the older, banned refrigerants are often more efficient, since their refrigerants were optimally designed and selected for maximum performance/efficiency in the first place! (And engineers were much better then, too. Really. Plus, I assure you that Thermodynamics has not changed in the interim!)
I'm sure my 35 y.o. Freon refrigerator is pretty much identically efficient to a modern one. The biggest difference is that mine is still running beautifully halfway through its 4th decade, while all the latest Chinese-sht-tech refrigerators will be unfixably dead in about five years at the outside. People should consider that* environmental and efficiency advantage!

We buy lower cost refrigerators for our apartment buildings. The older ones were much better. We're always tossing the newer ones, cheaper to toss than to fix. Shame.

 

[JustAnotherNut]

We buy lower cost refrigerators for our apartment buildings. The older ones were much better. We're always tossing the newer ones, cheaper to toss than to fix. Shame.

Yes.......an old GE will outlast anything on the market and should be listed right next to twinkies with no expiration date. Probably outlive humanity too.


Not sure about being 'energy' efficient though

 

[d0gbreath]

We buy lower cost refrigerators for our apartment buildings. The older ones were much better. We're always tossing the newer ones, cheaper to toss than to fix. Shame.

I still use my Grandaddy's '62 Maytag. It's a little loud, but operates perfectly. I wish I could buy one of those new expensive one's that last two years.

 

[justoffal]

I still use my Grandaddy's '62 Maytag. It's a little loud, but operates perfectly. I wish I could buy one of those new expensive one's that last two years.

At one of the jobs I had years ago a very old textile mill where I ran the boiler room there was an old Maytag refrigerator from the '50s.

It worked beautifully even though it was a good 50 years old. Last time I checked it's still there and still being used now at about 75 years old.
Never serviced, no belts or paths ever replaced.

 

[d0gbreath]

At one of the jobs I had years ago a very old textile mill where I ran the boiler room there was an old Maytag refrigerator from the '50s.

It worked beautifully even though it was a good 50 years old. Last time I checked it's still there and still being used now at about 75 years old.
Never serviced, no belts or paths ever replaced.

Yeah, no work on ours either. No wonder that repairman was the loneliest guy in town.

 

[Natural Citizen]

I've replaced every single one of my appliances in the last couple of years, As wll as the furnace and A/C.

None of them are nearly of the functional quaity of what they replaced.

And they all make a bunch of annoying beeps and jungles. Dumb shit...

 

[Woodznutz]

I've replaced every single one of my appliances in the last couple of years, As wll as the furnace and A/C.

None of them are nearly of the functional quaity of what they replaced.

And they all make a bunch of annoying beeps and jungles. Dumb shit...

We had to replace a noisy one because it was so loud it kept our tenant awake at night swishing and gurgling.

 

[Natural Citizen]

We had to replace a noisy one because it was so loud it kept our tenant awake at night swishing and gurgling.

My new dryer is like that. It's squeaky and also has a metal to metal rubbing sound.

Really drives me the dog nuts, he runs though the house back and foth, kind of crouched and goes to the door scratching to go out.

Chinese pos...

And the new washer doesn't really wash. it just flips your stuff around in a little bit of watter. Doesnt submerge them i nwater. Doesn't agitate or anything like that. Doesn't really wash em. And it stretches the necks out on my tee-shirts the way it just flings them in a little bit of water, which really peeves me.

Pft. Both of their days are numbered, for sure.

 

[Dekster]

IDK. Our fridge allows you to set the freezer and fridge temps with an app, so I guess its efficiency depends in part on that. I keep the fridge at 35 because at 34 it starts to slowly freeze the milk and the eggs. Freezer is set at zero as I have never seen a reason to set it to negative 10 or whatever the bottom is.

 

[hondo 50]

Marxists don't want refrigerators. They'll tell you to put your food in the creek.

 

[jbrownson0831]

Marxists don't want refrigerators. They'll tell you to put your food in the creek.

Bugs don't need to be refrigerated.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

We buy lower cost refrigerators for our apartment buildings. The older ones were much better. We're always tossing the newer ones, cheaper to toss than to fix. Shame.

If We Don't Try to Identify the Hidden Cause, We Deserve Our Decline

American business incompetence arrived at the same time as the authoritarian slogan "To Get a Good Job, Get a Good Education."

Notice that the propaganda doesn't say, "To Do a Good Job..." How could it when the unmanly mandate of getting a job just because the graduate could go four years without a job automatically puts inferior people in superior positions?

 

[Woodznutz]

American business incompetence arrived at the same time as the authoritarian slogan "To Get a Good Job, Get a Good Education."

Implicit in that slogan is a college education. A blue-collar education is considered settling for something less.

What liberal educators don't understand is that Americans aren't the brightest bulbs on the tree, and indeed don't have to be to enjoy the blessings of this country.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Replaced our washing machine about 2 years ago - supposed to be a top rated one.
It doesn't clean worth a damn. Swear to God, you can put in a shirt that just had dirt on it - mud. And you will still see traces of it after washing.
Looked up this problem on the net - and all you see is people complaining about newer washers do a LOUSY job.
Replaced our dishwasher last year. Again, did my research, despite that - it doesn't clean as well as the old one. It simply doesn't. Sure it is quieter. A lot quieter. But you better prewash everything despite the fact the maker claims you don't have to.
Replaced our refrigerator last year - it has quit running twice. No explanation. Just come home from work and notice food is not very cold, then sure enough food in the freezer is thawing. Unplug it, and it starts working again.

In the kitchen at our office is a refrigerator that is over 20 years old. A cheap/plain one. Still running. In our basement at the house we had before this one was an old "round top" fridge that someone used to keep beer cold. Damn thing is from the 1970s. - Still worked when we left 5 years ago,

 

[martybegan]

I've replaced every single one of my appliances in the last couple of years, As wll as the furnace and A/C.

None of them are nearly of the functional quaity of what they replaced.

And they all make a bunch of annoying beeps and jungles. Dumb shit...

The only thing I like on the new AC's are the timers. Great for saving a little $$ and still coming home to a comfortable apartment.

 

[justoffal]

Replaced our washing machine about 2 years ago - supposed to be a top rated one.
It doesn't clean worth a damn. Swear to God, you can put in a shirt that just had dirt on it - mud. And you will still see traces of it after washing.
Looked up this problem on the net - and all you see is people complaining about newer washers do a LOUSY job.
Replaced our dishwasher last year. Again, did my research, despite that - it doesn't clean as well as the old one. It simply doesn't. Sure it is quieter. A lot quieter. But you better prewash everything despite the fact the maker claims you don't have to.
Replaced our refrigerator last year - it has quit running twice. No explanation. Just come home from work and notice food is not very cold, then sure enough food in the freezer is thawing. Unplug it, and it starts working again.

In the kitchen at our office is a refrigerator that is over 20 years old. A cheap/plain one. Still running. In our basement at the house we had before this one was an old "round top" fridge that someone used to keep beer cold. Damn thing is from the 1970s. - Still worked when we left 5 years ago,

Washing Machine....get a speed queen ..
Costs over 1k but built like the old Maytag.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Washing Machine....get a speed queen ..
Costs over 1k but built like the old Maytag.

Probably should have done it, again at the house we lived in before - was an older speed queen in the basement. Guessing 1980s. Holy cow was that washer good. It cleaned everything.

 

[justoffal]

Probably should have done it, again at the house we lived in before - was an older speed queen in the basement. Guessing 1980s. Holy cow was that washer good. It cleaned everything.

At first I resisted because of the cost but after I saw the internals including the drive shaft, the motor and the technology they use in the spin bucket which drives all the dirt up and out...
I spent the extra bucks.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Implicit in that slogan is a college education. A blue-collar education is considered settling for something less.

What liberal educators don't understand is that Americans aren't the brightest bulbs on the tree, and indeed don't have to be to enjoy the blessings of this country.

Blue Bloods and Brown Noses Buying Their Jobs

College is for teenagers who are afraid to grow up. It has nothing to do with education and everything do with humiliation, which is the only thing employers feel comfortable with.