Bag bans and other ways to save the planet

[novasteve]

Austin, TX is banning all plastic and paper bags starting march 1st. How else can we save the planet?

Since you don't need toilet paper, and they have bidets, why not ban toilet paper? Won't you be saving the planet?

 

[boedicca]

Good luck with that.

More Deaths

Klick and Wright estimate that the San Francisco ban results in a 46 percent increase in deaths from foodborne illnesses, or 5.5 more of them each year. They then run through a cost-benefit analysis employing the same estimate of the value of a human life that the Environmental Protection Agency uses when evaluating regulations that are supposed to save lives. They conclude that the anti-plastic-bag policies can't pass the test -- and that's before counting the higher health-care costs they generate....

Column: The disgusting consequences of plastic-bag bans - Inside Bay Area


5.5 deaths per year in SF alone to save an eensy beensy ratio of paper usage...while our government works to neutralize the 2nd Amendment in order to save Just One Life.

Go figure.

 

[novasteve]

S.F.'s plastic bag ban may be unhealthy - SFGate

win win for libs. Less litter and less people, plus they get more control over people's lives.

Nothing say liberal and tolerant like banning things you don't approve of.

 

[AmyNation]

Bag bans are great for business, that's why so many stores have opted to stop using plastic bags or to charge for them.

 

[Mad Scientist]

It has nothing to do with Saving the Earth and everything to do with implementing Agenda 21.

 

[novasteve]

Bag bans are great for business, that's why so many stores have opted to stop using plastic bags or to charge for them.

Business would be even better if they charged 1 dollar per bag. Also if people had no choice but to go to restaurants, it would be great for business to charge customers for using plates and silverwear.

 

[Katzndogz]

Los Angeles banned bags. They are good for spreading disese not so good for business. A lot of people just go to another city. It's not that hard to just carry a roll of platic bags in the car either.

 

[novasteve]

Los Angeles banned bags. They are good for spreading disese not so good for business. A lot of people just go to another city. It's not that hard to just carry a roll of platic bags in the car either.

Did people stop cleaning up after their dogs after the libfruits banned bags?

 

[Katzndogz]

Los Angeles banned bags. They are good for spreading disese not so good for business. A lot of people just go to another city. It's not that hard to just carry a roll of platic bags in the car either.

Did people stop cleaning up after their dogs after the libfruits banned bags?

Did you think people really clean up after their dogs? Please. Besides they sell cute little plastic bags just for that. Glad makes a small size bag. Use those and drive the liberals nuts. Cities can pass laws prohibiting stores from using plastic bags but they can't stop people from using plastic bags. There are places that you can buy those single use bags too. Smart and Final might sell them. The best way to fight liberals is to defy them. Every day some act of rebellion is necessary. No matter how small. Leave a light burning. Wash clothes at peak hours. Throw away a plastic bag or bottle.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Austin, TX is banning all plastic and paper bags starting march 1st. How else can we save the planet?

Since you don't need toilet paper, and they have bidets, why not ban toilet paper? Won't you be saving the planet?

The bag ban in San Francisco is expected to kill about 5 people a year. Spread that all over the globe and just imagine how may people we can kill off in order to save the planet.

Jonathan Klick and Joshua Wright, who are law professors at the University of Pennsylvania and George Mason University, respectively, have done a more recent study on the public-health impact of plastic-bag bans. They find that emergency-room admissions related to E. coli infections increased in San Francisco after the ban. (Nearby counties did not show this increase.) And this effect showed up as soon as the ban was implemented. (“There is a clear discontinuity at the time of adoption.”) The San Francisco ban was also associated with increases in salmonella and other bacterial infections. Similar effects were found in other California towns that adopted such laws.
Klick and Wright estimate that the San Francisco ban results in a 46 percent increase in deaths from foodborne illnesses, or 5.5 more of them each year. They then run through a cost-benefit analysis employing the same estimate of the value of a human life that the Environmental Protection Agency uses when evaluating regulations that are supposed to save lives. They conclude that the anti-plastic-bag policies can’t pass the test -- and that’s before counting the higher health-care costs they generate.
The authors argue, not completely convincingly, against the idea that regular washing and drying of reusable bags would solve the problem. They point out that the use of hot water and detergent imposes environmental costs, too. And reusable bags require more energy to make than plastic ones. The stronger argument, it seems to me, is that 97 percent figure: Whatever the merits of regularly cleaning the bags, it doesn’t appear likely to happen.

The Disgusting Consequences of Plastic-Bag Bans - Bloomberg

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Good luck with that.

More Deaths

Klick and Wright estimate that the San Francisco ban results in a 46 percent increase in deaths from foodborne illnesses, or 5.5 more of them each year. They then run through a cost-benefit analysis employing the same estimate of the value of a human life that the Environmental Protection Agency uses when evaluating regulations that are supposed to save lives. They conclude that the anti-plastic-bag policies can't pass the test -- and that's before counting the higher health-care costs they generate....

Column: The disgusting consequences of plastic-bag bans - Inside Bay Area


5.5 deaths per year in SF alone to save an eensy beensy ratio of paper usage...while our government works to neutralize the 2nd Amendment in order to save Just One Life.

Go figure.

Damn, you beat me to it. I saw this thread and had to post the study though.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Bag bans are great for business, that's why so many stores have opted to stop using plastic bags or to charge for them.

How is killing people good for business?

 

[boedicca]

Ban guns to save just one life.

And ban paper shopping bags to kill off a bunch of people.

Thanks moonbats!

 

[AmyNation]

Bag bans are great for business, that's why so many stores have opted to stop using plastic bags or to charge for them.

How is killing people good for business?

It's a small number of people, offset by the saved cost of not having to give out free plastic bags and the ability to sell reusable bags to their living customers.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Bag bans are great for business, that's why so many stores have opted to stop using plastic bags or to charge for them.

How is killing people good for business?

It's a small number of people, offset by the saved cost of not having to give out free plastic bags and the ability to sell reusable bags to their living customers.

Small numbers add up, banning plastic bags in the US would kill over 2000 people every year. If we use the EPA's standard cost benefit analysis on the bans we discover that they cost way more than we get in return.

 

[tinydancer]

Bag bans are great for business, that's why so many stores have opted to stop using plastic bags or to charge for them.

Business would be even better if they charged 1 dollar per bag. Also if people had no choice but to go to restaurants, it would be great for business to charge customers for using plates )

The bags are recyclable. Has anyone brought that up yet?

 

[AmyNation]

How is killing people good for business?

It's a small number of people, offset by the saved cost of not having to give out free plastic bags and the ability to sell reusable bags to their living customers.

Small numbers add up, banning plastic bags in the US would kill over 2000 people every year. If we use the EPA's standard cost benefit analysis on the bans we discover that they cost way more than we get in return.

Or we could just run a PSA reminding people to wash their bags.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

It's a small number of people, offset by the saved cost of not having to give out free plastic bags and the ability to sell reusable bags to their living customers.

Small numbers add up, banning plastic bags in the US would kill over 2000 people every year. If we use the EPA's standard cost benefit analysis on the bans we discover that they cost way more than we get in return.

Or we could just run a PSA reminding people to wash their bags.

Or, even less expensive we could keep using the plastic bags and recycle them.

 

[whitehall]

Austin, TX is banning all plastic and paper bags starting march 1st. How else can we save the planet?

Since you don't need toilet paper, and they have bidets, why not ban toilet paper? Won't you be saving the planet?

How does a city have the authority to ban a commercial product?

 

[novasteve]

Austin, TX is banning all plastic and paper bags starting march 1st. How else can we save the planet?

Since you don't need toilet paper, and they have bidets, why not ban toilet paper? Won't you be saving the planet?

How does a city have the authority to ban a commercial product?

Unless there's some kind of dillon rule, local governments (states) have general police powers, unlike the federal government. Since there's nothing in the constitution about plastic bags, the states can ban them if they want. Kind of like how medical insurance is a state issue, hence why obamacare is unconstitutional as a violation of the 10th amendment.