Biden to cancel the Keystone pipeline via executive action on 1st day, Trudeau already complaining, conservatives like Ann Coulter already pouncing!

[Uncensored2008]

You didn't even read the OP link, did you? We'll still receive all the Canadian oil we need by pipeline, but it won't be taking the same ecologically sensitive rout that XL takes.

Actually the link explains that Xi's man want's to shut down the pipeline and ship the oil in tankers.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Thing is most people, including Hunarcy, have skin in the game.

I live in Chicago, damn right I have skin in the game.

Our high tech economy can't survive on unreliable wind and solar..

 

[healthmyths]

Here is a graphic for dumb fuck ill informed liberals....the nation already has thousands of miles of pipeline.

LIBS, everything they do makes America weaker because they want communism.

You'll notice that none of those other pipelines take the same rout as XL.

Of course they don't take the same "rout"?

 

[BULLDOG]

Potential destruction of the ground water and water tables for indigineous peoples' communities along the route. The entire Keystone pipeline route endangers groundwater and the water tables in every state it passes through. There have already been leaks.

The obvious solution is to cut your oil useage. Millions of jobs will be created in the change over. Billions of dollars to be made.

You can't really be this stupid.

Okay, maybe you can.

So those thousands of native peoples out there protesting the pipeline were just there for shits and giggles?

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{ The obvious solution is to cut your oil useage. Millions of jobs will be created in the change over. Billions of dollars to be made. }

That ranks right up with

"Eating rocks and dirt is far more nutritious than meats and vegitables.."

But like I said, you probably ARE this stupid.

You poor dumb batshit crazy right winger. You understand that oil is to be refined and exported to other countries, don't you? Very little, if any will be used here.

 

[BULLDOG]

You didn't even read the OP link, did you? We'll still receive all the Canadian oil we need by pipeline, but it won't be taking the same ecologically sensitive rout that XL takes.

Actually the link explains that Xi's man want's to shut down the pipeline and ship the oil in tankers.

wow, you are stupid. That' not what the article was about.

 

[initforme]

How much of that oil is exported and why do we let it go overseas?

 

[BULLDOG]

Here is a graphic for dumb fuck ill informed liberals....the nation already has thousands of miles of pipeline.

LIBS, everything they do makes America weaker because they want communism.

You'll notice that none of those other pipelines take the same rout as XL.

Of course they don't take the same "rout"?

If that's all you have to whine about, I can see you can't disprove my remark.

 

[Uncensored2008]

You poor dumb batshit crazy right winger. You understand that oil is to be refined and exported to other countries, don't you? Very little, if any will be used here.

When shredding an ignoramus, it's best done in chunks...

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Biden’s administration has set a goal of moving towards decarbonization and reducing the country’s reliance on oil and gas and cutting harmful air pollutants. Most of the nation’s energy still comes from fossil fuels.


“Whatever limited benefit that Keystone was projected to provide now has to be obviously reconsidered with the economy of today,” said Gina McCarthy, Biden’s leading domestic climate policy coordinator at the White House.

}

What? Wait - you just said that isn't the goal.

Did you even read the article in the OP?

 

[Dr Grump]

I live in Chicago, damn right I have skin in the game.
Our high tech economy can't survive on unreliable wind and solar..

Storage is an issue, but they are starting to get batteries that can handle the storage.
People look at coal and oil as dirty. And they're not wrong.

 

[Truth2Know]

Money. It's always about money.

 

[BULLDOG]

You poor dumb batshit crazy right winger. You understand that oil is to be refined and exported to other countries, don't you? Very little, if any will be used here.

When shredding an ignoramus, it's best done in chunks...

{

Biden’s administration has set a goal of moving towards decarbonization and reducing the country’s reliance on oil and gas and cutting harmful air pollutants. Most of the nation’s energy still comes from fossil fuels.


“Whatever limited benefit that Keystone was projected to provide now has to be obviously reconsidered with the economy of today,” said Gina McCarthy, Biden’s leading domestic climate policy coordinator at the White House.

}

What? Wait - you just said that isn't the goal.

Did you even read the article in the OP?

That's all you got out of the OP? The entire point was that the volume projected for XL would be replaced by other pipelines, and XL is not needed. Add that to the fact that the oil will be refined on the gulf coast, and then transported to other countries by ship, and the fact that oil companies are the only ones who will benefit from any of it, it's senseless for us to risk damage to highly sensitive areas with no benefit for us. The only reason trump approved it was to thumb his nose at Obama. We both know that.

 

[Moonglow]

Xiden feels more personally threatened by his own extreme leftist greenie goon squads than from Americans upset by high heating and driving costs.

No other reason needed.

The oil glut is sure gonna miss that crude that is shipped to China.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I live in Chicago, damn right I have skin in the game.
Our high tech economy can't survive on unreliable wind and solar..

Storage is an issue, but they are starting to get batteries that can handle the storage.
People look at coal and oil as dirty. And they're not wrong.

Storage is an issue, but they are starting to get batteries that can handle the storage.

Cool. How many of those batteries would we need to power Chicago for a day?

People look at coal and oil as dirty.

What about natural gas?

 

[Dr Grump]

Storage is an issue, but they are starting to get batteries that can handle the storage.

Cool. How many of those batteries would we need to power Chicago for a day?

People look at coal and oil as dirty.

What about natural gas?

If you have solar panels on your roof, and you get plenty of sun, depends on how much power the battery can hold.
Yeah, natural gas seems to burn cleaner that's for sure.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

If you have solar panels on your roof, and you get plenty of sun,

Not in Chicago in the winter.

Yeah, natural gas seems to burn cleaner that's for sure.

Seems?

 

[RodISHI]

I'm asking that question because from my understanding of critics of Keystone, the danger of oil spills damaging the environment is the number one reason. Do all of you that oppose Keystone agree? What other reason can there possibly be?

OK... so let's consider the damage that COULD be done if Keystone is not completed.
The pipeline, which has been in development for more than a decade, aims to transport 830,000 barrels of oil per day from Alberta tar sands in Canada to refineries along the US’ Gulf Coast. Faced with lawsuits and strong opposition from environmental groups, the project was rejected by the Obama-Biden administration in 2015 over “environmental concerns” – a decision reversed by Donald Trump in 2017.

So as an alternative Canada’s government is also expanding the state-owned Trans Mountain line by 590,000 bpd to 890,000 bpd. That line terminates at the Port of Vancouver, where it should be able to deliver
1,000,000 barrels via tankers per day to the United States.

Even without Keystone XL, U.S. set for record Canadian oil imports

The Keystone XL pipeline project may be dead, but the United States is still poised to pull in record imports of Canadian oil in coming years through other pipelines that are in the midst of expanding.

www.reuters.com

So delivering oil by tankers to the USA using the open oceans seems to be an alternative.

HMMM... let's see.. 1,000,000 barrels traveling on the open ocean down to USA is safer than 830,000 barrels traveling 1,700 miles or less than 500 barrels traveling 1 mile on dry land through pipes with 16 monitors per mile.
Hmmm... which would be more dangerous? Remember 1989 Exxon Valdez?

Please someone explain how environmentalists can be in favor of 1 million barrels traveling on the open ocean?

It goes on Buffets railroad $$$$$$$$$$ if not through pipes. Win win for Buffet and his cronies like Gates and such.

 

[BULLDOG]

I'm asking that question because from my understanding of critics of Keystone, the danger of oil spills damaging the environment is the number one reason. Do all of you that oppose Keystone agree? What other reason can there possibly be?

OK... so let's consider the damage that COULD be done if Keystone is not completed.
The pipeline, which has been in development for more than a decade, aims to transport 830,000 barrels of oil per day from Alberta tar sands in Canada to refineries along the US’ Gulf Coast. Faced with lawsuits and strong opposition from environmental groups, the project was rejected by the Obama-Biden administration in 2015 over “environmental concerns” – a decision reversed by Donald Trump in 2017.

So as an alternative Canada’s government is also expanding the state-owned Trans Mountain line by 590,000 bpd to 890,000 bpd. That line terminates at the Port of Vancouver, where it should be able to deliver
1,000,000 barrels via tankers per day to the United States.

Even without Keystone XL, U.S. set for record Canadian oil imports

The Keystone XL pipeline project may be dead, but the United States is still poised to pull in record imports of Canadian oil in coming years through other pipelines that are in the midst of expanding.

www.reuters.com

So delivering oil by tankers to the USA using the open oceans seems to be an alternative.

HMMM... let's see.. 1,000,000 barrels traveling on the open ocean down to USA is safer than 830,000 barrels traveling 1,700 miles or less than 500 barrels traveling 1 mile on dry land through pipes with 16 monitors per mile.
Hmmm... which would be more dangerous? Remember 1989 Exxon Valdez?

Please someone explain how environmentalists can be in favor of 1 million barrels traveling on the open ocean?

It goes on Buffets railroad $$$$$$$$$$ if not through pipes. Win win for Buffet and his cronies like Gates and such.

you're another one who didn't read the OP link, aren't you? Rail cars aren't needed.

 

[hunarcy]

LOL! Swallowing's the propaganda, huh? People aren't going to want to pay more for the energy just because people like you oppose oil.

M'eh..I'm pretty ambivalent about it to be honest. But when the oil producers themselves say that other energies are going to overtake them, I take notice.

They are looking at the political climate and the animosity that the Left has toward their product. There is no economic reason to choose more expensive energies. Just political.

With good reason. People don't like shit in the air. Oil produces a lot of shit in the air. You call it political, I call it environmental.

"Oil produces a lot of shit in the air." And yet, most European, North American and Latin American countries cluster are enjoying low pollution levels and low death rates.

Outdoor Air Pollution

Outdoor air pollution is one of the world’s largest health and environmental problems.

ourworldindata.org

That covers off on the major polluters China and India very well..

...oh wait....

Then you should be trying to deal with polluters China and India. Obviously we have developed techniques and technology that deals with your complaints. Why don't THEY adopt them too?

 

[Dr Grump]

LOL! Swallowing's the propaganda, huh? People aren't going to want to pay more for the energy just because people like you oppose oil.

M'eh..I'm pretty ambivalent about it to be honest. But when the oil producers themselves say that other energies are going to overtake them, I take notice.

They are looking at the political climate and the animosity that the Left has toward their product. There is no economic reason to choose more expensive energies. Just political.

With good reason. People don't like shit in the air. Oil produces a lot of shit in the air. You call it political, I call it environmental.

"Oil produces a lot of shit in the air." And yet, most European, North American and Latin American countries cluster are enjoying low pollution levels and low death rates.

Outdoor Air Pollution

Outdoor air pollution is one of the world’s largest health and environmental problems.

ourworldindata.org

That covers off on the major polluters China and India very well..

...oh wait....

Then you should be trying to deal with polluters China and India. Obviously we have developed techniques and technology that deals with your complaints. Why don't THEY adopt them too?

Affordability id guess

 

[healthmyths]

The Keystone pipeline system, an addition to which has been the subject of environmental protests for years, leaked about 383,000 gallons of crude oil in North Dakota, covering an estimated half-acre of wetland, state environmental regulators said.

Keystone Pipeline Leaks 383,000 Gallons of Oil in North Dakota (Published 2019)

The spill in the northeastern part of the state, which occurred along a different stretch than the controversial XL pipeline addition, coated an estimated half-acre of wetland, officials said.

www.nytimes.com

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HISTORY OF SPILLS: TransCanada’s Keystone pipeline (21 SPILLS: 2010-19)

Keystone Pipeline Spill History | Bold Nebraska

TC Energy oil spill PR oil discharge 12-9-22 (Photo: U.S. EPA) Site of 380,000-gallon tarsands oil spill from Keystone pipeline in northeastern North Dakota on Oct. 30, 2019. (Photo: Grand Forks Herald) April 2016 Keystone pipeline spill site on farmland near Freeman, South Dakota. (Photo...

boldnebraska.org

Your photo is of a 1/2 an acre...
Exxon Valdez eventually affected 1,300 miles (2,100 km) of coastline, of which 200 miles (320 km) were heavily or moderately oiled.

Exxon Valdez oil spill - Wikipedia

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