But...I thought Australia solved their gun crime problem by banning guns...so...how do these criminals have guns?

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Another article on gun crime in Australia .......

More than 14 hardened criminals are being found in possession of firearms each week as the state grapples with a rising gun culture that has led to twice as many Victorians shot dead in 2019.

The Age can reveal 52 people were shot and 14 fatally gunned down across the state last year, twice as many as the previous 12 months, with handguns increasingly used by criminals to settle drug debts or underworld disputes.

During the past 24 hours lives were threatened in two separate gun crimes in Melbourne's north after a shot was fired as a Hadfield supermarket owner wrestled a gun from the hand of a robber and armed bandits reportedly stormed a Westmeadows tavern eight kilometres away.
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Anti-gangs division Detective Superintendent Peter Brigham said illegal firearms were routinely unearthed at the homes of drug traffickers and in the possession of “gangster types” chasing image and status.


Quick question......are "Assault rifles," banned in Australia now?

How about grenades....you know...grenades?

n September, a 35-year-old Docklands man was sentenced to at least eight years' jail for heroin trafficking. As part of his plea deal, the former Iraqi national led police to a cache of weapons wrapped in plastic and hidden in a Melbourne drain. They included an SKS assault rifle and grenades.

See...the problem? Australia seems to have forgotten to ban high powered military rifles for criminals........perhaps they should pass more gun control laws.....

And while handguns were proving to be the gun of choice among young men, high powered military-grade firearms were in demand from the city’s outlaw motorcycle gangs.
 
Wait...what?

But.....they banned guns...right?

Don't criminals understand that guns are banned?

The killings that shocked the city
In eight weeks from March to May 2019, a string of public shootings rocked Melbourne with eight men shot dead and two badly wounded.

They included the death of Ben Togiai outside a Melbourne Pavilion boxing match and killing of Mitat Rasimi in his car at Dandenong on March 3. The following day Ali Ali and Deniz Hasan died after being shot at Meadow Heights.
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In April, security guard Aaron Khalid Osmani and Richard Arow were gunned down outside Love Machine nightclub. Twelve days later Daniel O’Shea was shot dead in Fawkner Park. It remains the only unsolved gun homicide for 2019.


In November, the murder of Croydon fruiterer and father Paul Virgona gripped the state when his van was peppered with bullets as he drove along the Eastlink.

Armed assailants also killed Duane Hutchings, Winis Apet , Scott Muston , Matthew Moroney and newly married Yarraville couple Veton and Lindita Musai in 2019.
 
Now.....if the Australian government has banned and confiscated guns....which anti-gunners in the U.S. keep telling us is magic and stops gun crime.....then why are the police afraid of guns in the hands of criminals?

Gun Scourge? But.....they banned guns.....

Police Association secretary Wayne Gatt said the state’s gun scourge was in the back of frontline police's minds every time they responded to a call, pulled over a vehicle or intervened in a dispute.
 
Another article on gun crime in Australia .......

More than 14 hardened criminals are being found in possession of firearms each week as the state grapples with a rising gun culture that has led to twice as many Victorians shot dead in 2019.

The Age can reveal 52 people were shot and 14 fatally gunned down across the state last year, twice as many as the previous 12 months, with handguns increasingly used by criminals to settle drug debts or underworld disputes.

During the past 24 hours lives were threatened in two separate gun crimes in Melbourne's north after a shot was fired as a Hadfield supermarket owner wrestled a gun from the hand of a robber and armed bandits reportedly stormed a Westmeadows tavern eight kilometres away.
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Anti-gangs division Detective Superintendent Peter Brigham said illegal firearms were routinely unearthed at the homes of drug traffickers and in the possession of “gangster types” chasing image and status.


Quick question......are "Assault rifles," banned in Australia now?

How about grenades....you know...grenades?

n September, a 35-year-old Docklands man was sentenced to at least eight years' jail for heroin trafficking. As part of his plea deal, the former Iraqi national led police to a cache of weapons wrapped in plastic and hidden in a Melbourne drain. They included an SKS assault rifle and grenades.

See...the problem? Australia seems to have forgotten to ban high powered military rifles for criminals........perhaps they should pass more gun control laws.....

And while handguns were proving to be the gun of choice among young men, high powered military-grade firearms were in demand from the city’s outlaw motorcycle gangs.
The defense and protection of the state and of the United States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized militia.

We should set an example. We have a Second Amendment and should have no security problems in our free States.
 
2 men shot..in gun free Australia...

A man has been discovered with a gunshot wound in a Sydney home just metres from where another man was found bleeding to death on a footpath hours earlier.

A police operation was underway in Lewisham, in the city’s inner-west, on Friday evening as detectives tried to track down whoever was behind the attacks.


Neighbours found a man with a serious wound to his chest on the footpath about 1pm. Police initially said the man had been stabbed but a spokeswoman subsequently confirmed he had been shot.

“(I’d) just came back from coffee with a friend and found him on the side of the footpath,” witness Keith Mulhall told Seven News. The man, believed to be in his 30s, died on the way to hospital.

Paramedics were later called to treat a second man, 55, found in a Victoria Street house with a gunshot wound to his head. Armed police surrounded the property and the man was rushed to hospital in a critical condition. NSW police later said he was in a serious condition.

 
A "spate," of shootings.....? In gun free Australia? But...I thought gun control solved that problem....

The pair have become the latest victims in a spate of shootings that have put Sydney on edge over the last five weeks.
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In that time, thirty shootings have been recorded which includes gang-linked violence and drive-by shootings,
indicating criminal groups were having little difficulty bypassing Australia's strict gun laws.

Ten of the shootings were in regional NSW and 19 in Sydney's central metro region, which covers the CBD, eastern suburbs, Inner West and Sutherland Shire.

 
Hmmmm...do the criminals in Australia know that they can't have guns anymore? Especially military weapons?

I'm curious....which of the Australian gun control laws stopped anyone of the criminals involved from taking their rifles...fully automatic military rifles, into a school, a church, a theater, a mosque?

"Since January 2019 across South Australia, there's been a total of 20 drive-by shootings where houses have actually been shot up … six of those related to the drug trade.
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Detective Superintendent Stephen Taylor said police were concerned to have discovered such high-powered weapons, and that the investigation was ongoing.

"The Steyr is a fully-automatic military weapon, so the amount of damage that it can cause is massive," he said.
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Police said they recovered a modified AR-15 semi-automatic rifle, two handguns, a revolver, ammunition, magazines, and a Steyr fully-automatic military rifle.

"The recovery of the Steyr is the subject of a current Australian Defence Force investigation," police said.
Steyr's website states the weapon can function as a light machine gun, and is used by the military in several countries.

 
Organised criminals in all countries can get guns.

They are not the problem, it is all the slobbering half wits with delusions of Clint Eastwood or Hip Hop grandeur with guns that sees so many people killed in the United States of Anger.
 
Organised criminals in all countries can get guns.

They are not the problem, it is all the slobbering half wits with delusions of Clint Eastwood or Hip Hop grandeur with guns that sees so many people killed in the United States of Anger.


Wrong, dipshit.........in the United States our gun problem and even around the world isn't normal people who own and carry guns for self defense...it is criminals shooting other criminals......

How do we know? 27 years of actual experience.....

Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 19.4 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2019...guess what happened...

New Concealed Carry Report For 2020: 19.48 Million Permit Holders, 820,000 More Than Last Year despite many states shutting down issuing permits because of the Coronavirus - Crime Prevention Research Center


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%


Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

You don't know what you are talking about, you obviously don't understand the issue....



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Americans shoot each other like they are playing frisbee.

America has more accidental gun deaths than any democratic country on Earth, you kill your kids and friends and uncles and neighbours like serial killers in a bad B movie.
 
Americans shoot each other like they are playing frisbee.

America has more accidental gun deaths than any democratic country on Earth, you kill your kids and friends and uncles and neighbours like serial killers in a bad B movie.


No, Americans don't shoot each other, criminals shoot each other.

We have over 600 million guns in private hands, and over 19.4 million people have permits to carry guns for self defense....... over 320 million people in the country...



Accidental gun deaths?

In 2018, 458 accidental gun deaths....you moron.

Meanwhile, Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to save lives....from rape, robbery and murder according to the Centers for Disease Control.....
 
Americans shoot each other like they are playing frisbee.

America has more accidental gun deaths than any democratic country on Earth, you kill your kids and friends and uncles and neighbours like serial killers in a bad B movie.


No, Americans don't shoot each other, criminals shoot each other.

We have over 600 million guns in private hands, and over 19.4 million people have permits to carry guns for self defense....... over 320 million people in the country...



Accidental gun deaths?

In 2018, 458 accidental gun deaths....you moron.

Meanwhile, Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to save lives....from rape, robbery and murder according to the Centers for Disease Control.....


Who is confining it to accidental gun deaths?

It is also the half wit uncle who shoots a neighbour in a rage or domestic gun violence or crimes that in other nations are not violent but in the USA involve guns.

For instance the UK has recently seen a wave of knife crime, had they the access to guns the US has the death toll would be horrendous, like the US.
 
Even much your law enforcement often does not seem to know how to use a gun responsibly given how many people they kill.
 
Mind you I will grant you this, Brazil slaughters more of their fellow citizens with guns than the USA, but you are number two.
 
Americans shoot each other like they are playing frisbee.

America has more accidental gun deaths than any democratic country on Earth, you kill your kids and friends and uncles and neighbours like serial killers in a bad B movie.


No, Americans don't shoot each other, criminals shoot each other.

We have over 600 million guns in private hands, and over 19.4 million people have permits to carry guns for self defense....... over 320 million people in the country...



Accidental gun deaths?

In 2018, 458 accidental gun deaths....you moron.

Meanwhile, Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to save lives....from rape, robbery and murder according to the Centers for Disease Control.....


Who is confining it to accidental gun deaths?

It is also the half wit uncle who shoots a neighbour in a rage or domestic gun violence or crimes that in other nations are not violent but in the USA involve guns.

For instance the UK has recently seen a wave of knife crime, had they the access to guns the US has the death toll would be horrendous, like the US.


Yeah......doesn't happen.....the majority of all gun murder in the United States is criminals murdering other criminals, and of the rest, the majority is friends and family of the criminals caught in the crossfire......

As my post showed you.....More Americans now own and actually carry guns and our gun crime and gu murder rates went down....which means you don't know what you are talking about.
 
Americans shoot each other like they are playing frisbee.

America has more accidental gun deaths than any democratic country on Earth, you kill your kids and friends and uncles and neighbours like serial killers in a bad B movie.


No, Americans don't shoot each other, criminals shoot each other.

We have over 600 million guns in private hands, and over 19.4 million people have permits to carry guns for self defense....... over 320 million people in the country...



Accidental gun deaths?

In 2018, 458 accidental gun deaths....you moron.

Meanwhile, Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to save lives....from rape, robbery and murder according to the Centers for Disease Control.....


Who is confining it to accidental gun deaths?

It is also the half wit uncle who shoots a neighbour in a rage or domestic gun violence or crimes that in other nations are not violent but in the USA involve guns.

For instance the UK has recently seen a wave of knife crime, had they the access to guns the US has the death toll would be horrendous, like the US.


Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 19.4 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2019...guess what happened...

New Concealed Carry Report For 2020: 19.48 Million Permit Holders, 820,000 More Than Last Year despite many states shutting down issuing permits because of the Coronavirus - Crime Prevention Research Center


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%


Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.
 
Americans shoot each other like they are playing frisbee.

America has more accidental gun deaths than any democratic country on Earth, you kill your kids and friends and uncles and neighbours like serial killers in a bad B movie.


No, Americans don't shoot each other, criminals shoot each other.

We have over 600 million guns in private hands, and over 19.4 million people have permits to carry guns for self defense....... over 320 million people in the country...



Accidental gun deaths?

In 2018, 458 accidental gun deaths....you moron.

Meanwhile, Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to save lives....from rape, robbery and murder according to the Centers for Disease Control.....


Who is confining it to accidental gun deaths?

It is also the half wit uncle who shoots a neighbour in a rage or domestic gun violence or crimes that in other nations are not violent but in the USA involve guns.

For instance the UK has recently seen a wave of knife crime, had they the access to guns the US has the death toll would be horrendous, like the US.


Yeah......doesn't happen.....the majority of all gun murder in the United States is criminals murdering other criminals, and of the rest, the majority is friends and family of the criminals caught in the crossfire......

As my post showed you.....More Americans now own and actually carry guns and our gun crime and gu murder rates went down....which means you don't know what you are talking about.


The are countries with comparable crime rates per population but much lower gun deaths.

It is a simple matter of supply and demand.
 
Another article on gun crime in Australia .......

More than 14 hardened criminals are being found in possession of firearms each week as the state grapples with a rising gun culture that has led to twice as many Victorians shot dead in 2019.

The Age can reveal 52 people were shot and 14 fatally gunned down across the state last year, twice as many as the previous 12 months, with handguns increasingly used by criminals to settle drug debts or underworld disputes.

During the past 24 hours lives were threatened in two separate gun crimes in Melbourne's north after a shot was fired as a Hadfield supermarket owner wrestled a gun from the hand of a robber and armed bandits reportedly stormed a Westmeadows tavern eight kilometres away.
-----


Anti-gangs division Detective Superintendent Peter Brigham said illegal firearms were routinely unearthed at the homes of drug traffickers and in the possession of “gangster types” chasing image and status.


Quick question......are "Assault rifles," banned in Australia now?

How about grenades....you know...grenades?

n September, a 35-year-old Docklands man was sentenced to at least eight years' jail for heroin trafficking. As part of his plea deal, the former Iraqi national led police to a cache of weapons wrapped in plastic and hidden in a Melbourne drain. They included an SKS assault rifle and grenades.

See...the problem? Australia seems to have forgotten to ban high powered military rifles for criminals........perhaps they should pass more gun control laws.....

And while handguns were proving to be the gun of choice among young men, high powered military-grade firearms were in demand from the city’s outlaw motorcycle gangs.
because Australia has no clue what its doing
 
Another article on gun crime in Australia .......

More than 14 hardened criminals are being found in possession of firearms each week as the state grapples with a rising gun culture that has led to twice as many Victorians shot dead in 2019.

The Age can reveal 52 people were shot and 14 fatally gunned down across the state last year, twice as many as the previous 12 months, with handguns increasingly used by criminals to settle drug debts or underworld disputes.

During the past 24 hours lives were threatened in two separate gun crimes in Melbourne's north after a shot was fired as a Hadfield supermarket owner wrestled a gun from the hand of a robber and armed bandits reportedly stormed a Westmeadows tavern eight kilometres away.
-----


Anti-gangs division Detective Superintendent Peter Brigham said illegal firearms were routinely unearthed at the homes of drug traffickers and in the possession of “gangster types” chasing image and status.


Quick question......are "Assault rifles," banned in Australia now?

How about grenades....you know...grenades?

n September, a 35-year-old Docklands man was sentenced to at least eight years' jail for heroin trafficking. As part of his plea deal, the former Iraqi national led police to a cache of weapons wrapped in plastic and hidden in a Melbourne drain. They included an SKS assault rifle and grenades.

See...the problem? Australia seems to have forgotten to ban high powered military rifles for criminals........perhaps they should pass more gun control laws.....

And while handguns were proving to be the gun of choice among young men, high powered military-grade firearms were in demand from the city’s outlaw motorcycle gangs.
52 people were shot last year? That's what you call out of control gun crime?

What do you call 30,000 people shot last year?
 
Americans shoot each other like they are playing frisbee.

America has more accidental gun deaths than any democratic country on Earth, you kill your kids and friends and uncles and neighbours like serial killers in a bad B movie.


No, Americans don't shoot each other, criminals shoot each other.

We have over 600 million guns in private hands, and over 19.4 million people have permits to carry guns for self defense....... over 320 million people in the country...



Accidental gun deaths?

In 2018, 458 accidental gun deaths....you moron.

Meanwhile, Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to save lives....from rape, robbery and murder according to the Centers for Disease Control.....


Who is confining it to accidental gun deaths?

It is also the half wit uncle who shoots a neighbour in a rage or domestic gun violence or crimes that in other nations are not violent but in the USA involve guns.

For instance the UK has recently seen a wave of knife crime, had they the access to guns the US has the death toll would be horrendous, like the US.


I'd shoot someone coming after me with a knife neighbor or no neighbor. See how this works?
 

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