But....Japan has extreme gun control? Didn't anyone tell the criminals?

[2aguy]

From last year......just found it...

At around 11:35 a.m. on Tuesday, two gunmen opened fire at Yoshihiro Oyadomari, the 64-year-old boss of the Furukawa-gumi, and a 61-year-old fellow gang member in front of a FamilyMart convenience store
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Oyadomari was struck in the left hand. The other gangster was shot in the buttocks. Neither victim is in a life-threatening condition, police said previously.

In dashboard camera footage shot by a taxi, Fujimura can be seen running from the general direction of the convenience store while fleeing the scene.

The Furukawa-gumi is an affiliate gang of the Kobe Yamaguchi-gumi, which formed as a rival to the Yamaguchi-gumi in 2015. The shooting is just the latest incident involving the two gangs.

Yakuza arrested over Amagasaki shooting that left 2 rival gangsters injured

Hyogo police on Thursday arrested a gang member in connection with the shooting of two rival gangsters in Amagasaki City earlier this week

www.tokyoreporter.com

 

[2aguy]

Another story....from 2019....but....Japan, an island, with extreme gun control...and they had a submachine gun?

A senior member of the nation’s largest organized crime syndicate was shot dead Wednesday in Hyogo Prefecture by a man armed with a submachine gun and a handgun amid a possible gang feud, police said.

Keiichi Furukawa, 59, a high-ranking yakuza of the Yamaguchi-gumi group, was pronounced dead at a hospital after being shot on a street in Amagasaki shortly after 5 p.m
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In October, two members of the splinter group were fatally shot in the apparent feud with the parent group.

Man shot dead in Hyogo in possible yakuza feud

A senior member of the nation's largest organized crime syndicate was shot dead Wednesday in Hyogo Prefecture by a man armed with a submachine gun and a handgun amid a possible gang feud, police said.

www.japantimes.co.jp

 

[fncceo]

Japan has had guns nearly as long as the Europeans, since the 1540's.

They had Chinese guns even earlier.

 

[JoeB131]

Japan has maybe one incident like this a year.

We have dozens every day.

I think I like what Japan is doing better.

Yes, criminals will still shoot each other. What they don't have is nutjobs shooting up schools or theaters or shopping malls like we do.

 

[2aguy]

Japan has maybe one incident like this a year.

We have dozens every day.

I think I like what Japan is doing better.

Yes, criminals will still shoot each other. What they don't have is nutjobs shooting up schools or theaters or shopping malls like we do.

The Japanese have extreme gun control and yet their criminals still get guns...all the guns they want or need...gun control doesn't stop criminals, you idiot.

Our problem in the U.S. isn't Americans who own guns for self defense, sport and hunting. Our problem is the democrat party that continues to release repeat gun offenders over and over again........You have seen the policies, you have seen the results, and you are too stupid to understand that truth.....you are an idiot.

We had one mass public shooting in 2020......once morons like you stop making celebrities out of mass public shooters, they will stop doing those shootings.....as we saw in 2020.

 

[AFrench2]

Dude, Captain Kirk, it's time to shut the **** up about guns bro.

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

When you have to use the phrase "Another story....from 2019." -- to whine about another country's gun control policies....you only seem to highlight the effectiveness of those policies.......

 

[2aguy]

When you have to use the phrase "Another story....from 2019." -- to whine about another country's gun control policies....you only seem to highlight the effectiveness of those policies.......

Only an idiot thinks gun control works........even in Japan, an island nation...with extreme gun control laws, the Yakuza gets guns easily when they want them for murder.....

Meanwhile, in the U.S., the democrat party keeps releasing violent gun criminals over and over again..repeat offenders who drive our gun crime...then they blame normal Americans who own guns for self defense, sport and hunting....

If the democrats would stop releasing violent criminals, we wouldn't have the gun crime levels in democrat party controlled cities...since it is the cities run by democrats that have the gun crime....

 

[2aguy]

Dude, Captain Kirk, it's time to shut the **** up about guns bro.

Yeah....the fascist says what?

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

When you have to use the phrase "Another story....from 2019." -- to whine about another country's gun control policies....you only seem to highlight the effectiveness of those policies.......

Only an idiot thinks gun control works........even in Japan, an island nation...with extreme gun control laws, the Yakuza gets guns easily when they want them for murder.....

Meanwhile, in the U.S., the democrat party keeps releasing violent gun criminals over and over again..repeat offenders who drive our gun crime...then they blame normal Americans who own guns for self defense, sport and hunting....

If the democrats would stop releasing violent criminals, we wouldn't have the gun crime levels in democrat party controlled cities...since it is the cities run by democrats that have the gun crime....

Gun control works for some countries, not for other countries...

I am against gun control in this country and always have been......as most black folks are.....and have been for generations.....since black folks were among the original gun control advocates......

But I will let the great Robert F. Williams sum it up for me:

 

[2aguy]

When you have to use the phrase "Another story....from 2019." -- to whine about another country's gun control policies....you only seem to highlight the effectiveness of those policies.......

Only an idiot thinks gun control works........even in Japan, an island nation...with extreme gun control laws, the Yakuza gets guns easily when they want them for murder.....

Meanwhile, in the U.S., the democrat party keeps releasing violent gun criminals over and over again..repeat offenders who drive our gun crime...then they blame normal Americans who own guns for self defense, sport and hunting....

If the democrats would stop releasing violent criminals, we wouldn't have the gun crime levels in democrat party controlled cities...since it is the cities run by democrats that have the gun crime....

Gun control works for some countries, not for other countries...

I am against gun control in this country and always have been......as most black folks are.....and have been for generations.....since black folks were among the original gun control advocates......

But I will let the great Robert F. Williams sum it up for me:
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It doesn't work....Europe has had a population that has a culture of peaceful people....except when they were mass murdering 12 million innocent men, women and children........

Europe is exeriencing more and more criminals violence because they brought in immigrants from violent, war torn countries who do not believe in Western values......crime rates over there are going up, and the immigrant drug gangs use fully automatic military rifles and grenades........the only people who can't get guns in Europe are law abiding people..

So don't try to sell the "gun control works," BS, it doesn't...

 

[TheParser]

It's the Japanese people, not the gun laws that matter.

Violent crime in Japan is rare (yes, you can walk down the street at midnight) because the population is civilized.

 

[2aguy]

It's the Japanese people, not the gun laws.

Violent crime in Japan is rare (yes, you can walk down the street at midnight) because the population is civilized.

Yes....I have pointed this out frequently to anti-gun extremists......they also have a strong police state......the police and prosecutors have powers over there that would make Americans cringe........when you are arrested...you are essentially guilty and will go to prison...and that prison is not fun.....

 

[2aguy]

It's the Japanese people, not the gun laws that matter.

Violent crime in Japan is rare (yes, you can walk down the street at midnight) because the population is civilized.

First, they actually punish gun criminals......while here in the U.S. you have criminals with multiple gun felonies...even murder and attempted murder, who get bail, and get released from jail and prison....in Japan?

Japan’s gun control laws so strict the Yakuza turn to toy pistols

Ryo Fujiwara, long-time writer on yakuza affairs and author of the book, The Three Yamaguchi-Gumi, says that the punishment for using a gun in a gang war or in a crime is now so heavy that most yakuza avoid their use at all – unless it is for an assassination.

“In a hit, whoever fires the gun, or is made to take responsibility for firing the gun, has to pretty much be willing to go to jail for the rest of their life. That’s a big decision. The repercussions are big, too. No one wants to claim responsibility for such acts – the gang office might actually get shut-down.”

The gang typically also has to support the family of the hit-man while he is in prison, which is also a financial burden for the organization.

Japan’s Firearms and Swords Control Laws make it a crime to illegally possess a gun, with a punishment of jail time of up to 10 years.

Illegal possession more than one gun, the penalty goes up to 15 years in prison. If you own a gun and matching ammunition, that’s another charge and a heavier penalty. The most severe penalty is for the act of discharging a gun in a train, on a bus, or most public spaces, which can result in a life sentence.

The democrat party controlled city of Chicago...

Chicago....

Chicago police on Tuesday arrested Clarence Hebron, a convicted murderer who has been wanted in connection with a double-slaying in suburban Riverdale in November. Hebron was out of jail on “affordable bail” for reckless homicide and two separate counts of armed habitual criminal when police said he killed his 26-year-old girlfriend, Jessica Beal, and her 27-year-old brother, Damien, on November 27.

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His extensive criminal background includes a 2007 conviction for second-degree murder in which he and his cousin fatally shot a man, D’Antignac said Wednesday.
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At the time of the Beals’ murders, Hebron was awaiting trial for allegedly killing a woman with his car as he fled from police in April 2019. At the time of that incident, he was already on bail for two separate counts of Class X armed habitual criminal, according to court records.

Cops arrest man wanted for double-murder while on "affordable bail" for reckless homicide and 2 gun cases | CWB Chicago

Notice the difference....and why they have different levels of gun crime?

 

[2aguy]

It's the Japanese people, not the gun laws that matter.

Violent crime in Japan is rare (yes, you can walk down the street at midnight) because the population is civilized.

Another case from democrat party controlled Chicago vs. Japan...

Chicago..

A Chicago man shot and killed a 16-year-old rival gang member over a haircut last week while on affordable bail for discharging a handgun, prosecutors said.

Jesus Moro, 21, is the eighth person charged with killing or shooting someone in Chicago this year while on bail for other serious felonies.

Prosecutors said 16-year-old Julian Castillo, a member of the Two Six street gang, was visiting a man on the first floor of a home in Chicago Lawn last Friday evening while Moro, a Latin King gang member, was on the second floor.

When the man went upstairs to get a glass of water, Moro’s fellow Latin King member, 20-year-old Sergio Rodriguez, began to ask him about his haircut and said the cut was a Two Six style, Assistant State’s Attorney Angel Eggleston said.
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On July 3, police arrested Moro after CPD surveillance cameras recorded him firing a handgun outside John Spry Elementary School in Little Village, according to court records. In his arrest report, cops called Moro “a highly active Latin King gang member.”

Judge David Navarro ordered Moro held in lieu of $100,000 the next day, but Judge LeRoy Martin Jr cut that in half a few days later, and Moro went home by posting a $5,000 deposit bond, records show.
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Moro went to prison for a year following a nearly identical incident in October 2017. In that case, police surveillance cameras recorded footage of Moro firing a gun at a passing car just a block away from Spry Elementary, according to CPD records. Police allegedly recovered a gun from Moro’s bedroom after that incident and he admitted to “testing the gun.”

On Monday, Moro found himself in front of Judge Navarro again on the new murder charges. Navarro ordered him held without bail for Castillo’s slaying and held without bail for violating terms of bail in his pending reckless discharge case.

Rodriguez, who received an 18-month prison sentence for reckless discharge of a firearm in 2019, was also ordered held without bail.

#8: “Highly active” gang member charged with killing rival over haircut — while on affordable bail | CWB Chicago

Again...the difference....

Japan’s gun control laws so strict the Yakuza turn to toy pistols

Ryo Fujiwara, long-time writer on yakuza affairs and author of the book, The Three Yamaguchi-Gumi, says that the punishment for using a gun in a gang war or in a crime is now so heavy that most yakuza avoid their use at all – unless it is for an assassination.

“In a hit, whoever fires the gun, or is made to take responsibility for firing the gun, has to pretty much be willing to go to jail for the rest of their life. That’s a big decision. The repercussions are big, too. No one wants to claim responsibility for such acts – the gang office might actually get shut-down.”

The gang typically also has to support the family of the hit-man while he is in prison, which is also a financial burden for the organization.

Japan’s Firearms and Swords Control Laws make it a crime to illegally possess a gun, with a punishment of jail time of up to 10 years.
Illegal possession more than one gun, the penalty goes up to 15 years in prison. If you own a gun and matching ammunition, that’s another charge and a heavier penalty. The most severe penalty is for the act of discharging a gun in a train, on a bus, or most public spaces, which can result in a life sentence.

 

[2aguy]

It's the Japanese people, not the gun laws that matter.

Violent crime in Japan is rare (yes, you can walk down the street at midnight) because the population is civilized.

Virginia........

Baltimore Democrats don't want Larry Hogan to rein in gun violence

Citing their opposition to mandatory minimum sentences, Democrats in the Maryland General Assembly say they are unlikely to pass Gov. Larry Hogan’s top priority this session ― the Violent Firearms Offender Act ― infuriating the governor who alleges lawmakers aren’t taking shootings in Baltimore seriously.

In an interview with The Baltimore Sun on Wednesday, Hogan argued that lawmakers who don’t support his legislation are out of touch with the views of most Marylanders and should step down from their leadership posts. On a table in his office at the State House, he spread out his internal polling results that show residents overwhelmingly want “tougher sentences for violent offenders who commit crimes with guns.”

Democrats in the Assembly are saying that bill won’t even make it out of the Judicial Proceedings Committee, so there won’t be a chance of a full floor vote or debate. Their objections are based on the removal of judicial discretion for a number of gun crimes in favor of mandatory minimum sentences. But judicial discretion is a large part of the reason the city is dealing with a murder rate that’s worse than you would find in some war zones.

The Democrats are also arguing that the city of Baltimore already passed tougher gun laws two years ago, but they’ve done nothing to stem the violence.

That’s a disingenuous argument, however, because the new law only applied in certain parts of the city and provided only one year in jail for illegal possession of a firearm. That was an improvement over the previous average of six months (!) but it’s still a laughably short stretch for most of the hardened gang members.

The same Democrats are arguing that what Baltimore really needs is better enforcement of existing laws. They note that police only made 20,000 arrests in 2019 compared to an annual average of 100,000 when Martin O’Malley was the mayor. Also, the homicide clearance rate has fallen to just 32%. But why not do both?

The Baltimore PD released data showing that the average homicide suspect arrested in Baltimore has eight previous arrests.

They don’t have the resources to closely monitor all of the violent criminals who are out on parole, so the same shooters wind up being arrested over and over again.

They believe that fewer than 100 gang members are responsible for the lion’s share of the murders in the city, but they can’t keep them off the streets.

Japan....

“In a hit, whoever fires the gun, or is made to take responsibility for firing the gun, has to pretty much be willing to go to jail for the rest of their life. That’s a big decision. The repercussions are big, too. No one wants to claim responsibility for such acts – the gang office might actually get shut-down.”

The gang typically also has to support the family of the hit-man while he is in prison, which is also a financial burden for the organization.

Japan’s Firearms and Swords Control Laws make it a crime to illegally possess a gun, with a punishment of jail time of up to 10 years.
Illegal possession more than one gun, the penalty goes up to 15 years in prison. If you own a gun and matching ammunition, that’s another charge and a heavier penalty. The most severe penalty is for the act of discharging a gun in a train, on a bus, or most public spaces, which can result in a life sentence.

We don't have a gun problem in the U.S.....we have a problem with the democrat party ....

 

[2aguy]

It's the Japanese people, not the gun laws that matter.

Violent crime in Japan is rare (yes, you can walk down the street at midnight) because the population is civilized.

New York...

Horowitz: NY crime skyrockets, shootings up 60%, following prison reduction agenda

No ordinary citizen can legally carry a gun in New York City, yet shootings are up 59.6 percent over this time last year.

On Sunday, a pregnant woman was shot while sitting in her own car in front of her home in Queens. This is becoming the new normal in New York after the memo has gone out to criminals in the city that politicians fear growing the prison population more than they fear crime.

According to NYPD crime data, in addition to the 59.6 percent spike in shootings over this time last year, robberies increased 32.8 percent and grand larceny auto crimes were up a whopping 62.8 percent. Burglaries rose by 17 percent. This is just for the first 26 days of 2020.

What gives? According to NYPD Commissioner Dermot Shea, it’s no mystery.

It’s all about New York’s law abolishing bail. “If you let out individuals that commit a lot of crime, that’s precision policing in reverse and we’re seeing the effects in a very quick time,” Shea said at a press conference last Friday. He decried the undeniable “correlation” between the rise in crime and the jail and prison “populations dropping significantly.”

 

[TheParser]

It's the Japanese people, not the gun laws.

Violent crime in Japan is rare (yes, you can walk down the street at midnight) because the population is civilized.

Yes....I have pointed this out frequently to anti-gun extremists......they also have a strong police state......the police and prosecutors have powers over there that would make Americans cringe........when you are arrested...you are essentially guilty and will go to prison...and that prison is not fun.....

Yes, I have read that the conviction rate is something like 99%,

In Japan, I have read, prosecutors do not charge someone unless they are really, really, really sure of one's guilt.

Here in the States, prosecutors & cops arrest people on the flimsiest basis. Their attitude is: Oh, well, let the courts sort out matters. ("Justice," my foot!)

 

[2aguy]

It's the Japanese people, not the gun laws that matter.

Violent crime in Japan is rare (yes, you can walk down the street at midnight) because the population is civilized.

This is how you actually stop gun crime....

I support a life sentence on any criminal who uses a gun for an actual gun crime..... and 30 years if a criminal is caught in possession of a gun, even if they are not using it at that moment for crime.

This will dry up gun crime over night. Criminals will stop using guns for robberies, rapes and murders.....and those who do will be gone forever......

Criminals will also stop walking around with guns in their pants......which is the leading cause of random gang shootings in our cities. if they are stopped by police, with a gun in their pants, they are gone for 30 years...they will stop carrying those guns, and random gang violence will end.

You implement this with two other things...

1) No More Bargaining Away the Gun Charge.........it must be against the law to bargain away a gun charge as part of a plea deal....this stops.

2) When a criminal is arrested for any crime, and booked in...they will be read the announcement that any use of a gun in a crime is a life sentence without parole, owning or carrying a gun as a felon is a 30 year sentence without parole....when they are released from custody...the same will be read to them again....when they meet their parole officer it will be read to them again.....the U.S. government will also buy and send out Public announcements on this policy on t.v. radio. and cable......

That is how you stop gun crime over night.

Mass shooters are different..... but with only 93 people killed in mass public shootings in 2018, they are not the major problem in gun crime.

The value in my plan......it actually targets the individuals actually using guns to commit crimes and murder people....

It does not require new background check laws, it does not require gun licensing, licensing gun owners, gun registration, new taxes, fees or regulations on guns...

By making gun crime a life sentence, criminals will stop using guns for crime and will stop carrying guns around for protection.....

Also....a nurse, with a legal gun, driving from Pennsylvania, to New Jersey, will not be considered a gun criminal.....that will end. Criminals with a record of crime, caught with a gun will get 30 years, no deals.....and criminals who use guns for actual crime...robbing the local store, rape, robbery, murder.....life without parole...

This, of course, eliminates the need for more gun control laws...we can already do this.....

Mass shooters


1) end gun free zones

2) get the media to stop covering mass shootings like it is the Oscars.....

3) We are already seeing this...get people who know these nuts to report these nuts....

4) Make sure the police who know these nuts arrest these nuts when they have the chance so they will pop on background checks....

What does each do to stop mass shooters....

1) keeps shooters from targeting people, since they target gun free zones.

2) The media not covering it like they are the criminal oscars deters copycats...just like they stopped covering teen suicides to stop the copycat effect

3) The only way to stop mass shooters, since they commit no other crime, is for family, coworkers and neighbors to report their violent behavior....the Odessa shooter should have felonies for the crimes he was committing but they didn't report his shooting his weapon from his front porch....

4) The Parkland shooter had 33 contacts with police and numerous contacts with police at his school.....due to Obama's "Promise Program" the police never arrested him for the felonies he committed....so he didn't pop on the background check..

 

[2aguy]

It's the Japanese people, not the gun laws.

Violent crime in Japan is rare (yes, you can walk down the street at midnight) because the population is civilized.

Yes....I have pointed this out frequently to anti-gun extremists......they also have a strong police state......the police and prosecutors have powers over there that would make Americans cringe........when you are arrested...you are essentially guilty and will go to prison...and that prison is not fun.....

Yes, I have read that the conviction rate is something like 99%,

In Japan, I have read, prosecutors do not charge someone unless they are really, really, really sure of one's guilt.

Here in the States, prosecutors & cops arrest people on the flimsiest basis. Their attitude is: Oh, well, let the courts sort out matters. ("Justice," my foot!)

Here is a good look at Japan....

Japan: Gun Control and People Control

Japan's low crime rate has almost nothing to do with gun control, and everything to do with people control. Americans, used to their own traditions of freedom, would not accept Japan's system of people controls and gun controls.



Robbery in Japan is about as rare as murder. Japan's annual robbery rate is 1.8 per 100,000 inhabitants; America's is 205.4. Do the gun banners have the argument won when they point to these statistics? No, they don't. A realistic examination of Japanese culture leads to the conclusion that gun control has little, if anything, to do with Japan's low crime rates. Japan's lack of crime is more the result of the very extensive powers of the Japanese police, and the distinctive relation of the Japanese citizenry to authority. Further, none of the reasons which have made gun control succeed in Japan (in terms of disarming citizens) exist in the U.S.

The Japanese criminal justice system bears more heavily on a suspect than any other system in an industrial democratic nation. One American found this out when he was arrested in Okinawa for possessing marijuana: he was interrogated for days without an attorney, and signed a confession written in Japanese that he could not read. He met his lawyer for the first time at his trial, which took 30 minutes.

Unlike in the United States, where the Miranda rule limits coercive police interrogation techniques, Japanese police and prosecutors may detain a suspect indefinitely until he confesses. (Technically, detentions are only allowed for three days, followed by ten day extensions approved by a judge, but defense attorneys rarely oppose the extension request, for fear of offending the prosecutor.) Bail is denied if it would interfere with interrogation.

Even after interrogation is completed, pretrial detention may continue on a variety of pretexts, such as preventing the defendant from destroying evidence. Criminal defense lawyers are the only people allowed to visit a detained suspect, and those meetings are strictly limited.

Partly as a result of these coercive practices, and partly as a result of the Japanese sense of shame, the confession rate is 95%.

For those few defendants who dare to go to trial, there is no jury. Since judges almost always defer to the prosecutors' judgment, the trial conviction rate for violent crime is 99.5%.
Of those convicted, 98% receive jail time.

In short, once a Japanese suspect is apprehended, the power of the prosecutor makes it very likely the suspect will go to jail. And the power of the policeman makes it quite likely that a criminal will be apprehended.

The police routinely ask "suspicious" characters to show what is in their purse or sack. In effect, the police can search almost anyone, almost anytime, because courts only rarely exclude evidence seized by the police -- even if the police acted illegally.

The most important element of police power, though, is not authority to search, but authority in the community. Like school teachers, Japanese policemen rate high in public esteem, especially in the countryside. Community leaders and role models, the police are trained in calligraphy and Haiku composition. In police per capita, Japan far outranks all other major democracies.

15,000 koban "police boxes" are located throughout the cities. Citizens go to the 24-hour-a-day boxes not only for street directions, but to complain about day-to-day problems, such as noisy neighbors, or to ask advice on how to raise children. Some of the policemen and their families live in the boxes. Police box officers clear 74.6% of all criminal cases cleared. Police box officers also spend time teaching neighborhood youth judo or calligraphy. The officers even hand- write their own newspapers, with information about crime and accidents, "stories about good deeds by children, and opinions of
residents."

The police box system contrasts sharply with the practice in America. Here, most departments adopt a policy of "stranger policing." To prevent corruption, police are frequently rotated from one neighborhood to another. But as federal judge Charles Silberman writes, "the cure is worse than the disease, for officers develop no sense of identification with their beats, hence no emotional stake in improving the quality of life there."

Thus, the U.S. citizenry does not develop a supportive relationship with the police. One poll showed that 60% of police officers believe "it is difficult to persuade people to give patrolmen the information they need."

The Japanese police do not spend all their time in the koban boxes. As the Japanese government puts it: "Home visit is one of the most important duties of officers assigned to police boxes." Making annual visits to each home in their beat, officers keep track of who lives where, and which family member to contact in case of emergency. The police also check on all gun licensees, to make sure no gun has been stolen or misused, that the gun is securely stored, and that the licensees are emotionally stable.

Gun banners might rejoice at a society where the police keep such a sharp eye on citizens' guns. But the price is that the police keep an eye on everything.

Policemen are apt to tell people reading sexually-oriented magazines to read something more worthwhile. Japan's major official year-end police report includes statistics like "Background and Motives for Girls' Sexual Misconduct." In 1985, the police determined that 37.4% of the girls had been seduced, and the rest had had sex "voluntarily." For the volunteers, 19.6% acted "out of curiosity", while for 18.1%, the motive was "liked particular boy." The year-end police report also includes sections on labor demands, and on anti-nuclear or anti-military demonstrations.