Church Vs. State

[pinqy]

The United States Constitution.

Article VI
but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

Article VI guaranteed that governance of this country was not limited to Christians, and it was acknowledged at the time that Article VI allowed Jews, Muslims, atheists, Hindus, etc to hold Federal office.

Amendment I is what Jefferson was referring to when he said “this building a wall of separation between Church & State:” that no religion would dominate the government, and that the government would not tell people which religious beliefs were allowed or favor any religious beliefs over others.

And then in Everson v Board of Education of Ewing Township, the SCOTUS ruled that the establishment clause applied to the states via Amendment XIV, ruling that including parochial schools in reimbursing public transportation fares for school children was NOT a violation of the first amendment.

So, which specific parts of the Constitution are you objecting to?
Article VI which allows those of any or no religious belief to hold office?
Amendment I which forbids religious dominance or favoritism?
Or Amendment XIX, which incorporates most of the Bill of Rights, applying them to state and local governments?

I would appreciate (but I do not anticipate) specific legal arguments, not vague rhetorical claims.

Now....focus like a laser, junior

What does this have to do with anything in the thread?

Was your thread not about Separation of Church and State?

If this is your attempt to support Leftist, atheism or anti-Americanism.....you've failed miserably.

You were objecting to the concept of Church State separation.

The concept of this separation was specifically based on the Establishment Clause, but reasonably also can refer to Article VI and the Free Exercise Clause If the 1A, and the incorporation If the establishment and free exercise clauses by Amendment XIV.

Therefore, if you object to the concept of Church State Separation you must also object to the laws that establish the Walk of Separation.

Is that simple enough for you?

There never was any basis for separating our founding based on the Judeo-Christian concepts and faith from governance.


It was presented to allow Babeuf's and Marx's and Hegel's view of the primacy of government over the God-given rights of the individual.


Free exercise of any or no religion has nothing....nothing.....to do with the bogus restrictions of separation of church and state.

Is that simple enough for you?

Too simple, and vague, as I expected.
Let’s try again:
Do you agree that there should be no religious requirement for office? That Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, atheists, Wiccans, etc, should all be equally eligible for office?

Do you agree that the government should not favor or support any religion (or group of religions) over any other?

Do you agree that no one should be required, pressured, or encouraged to attend any religious observation or ceremony?

Do you agree that all people have the equal right to express their religion?

Do you agree that majority opinion should have no role in any expression of religion?


And last, an observation from James Madison: “Who does not see that the same authority which can establish Christianity, in exclusion of all other Religions, may establish with the same ease any particular sect of Christians, in exclusion of all other Sects? that the same authority which can force a citizen to contribute three pence only of his property for the support of any one establishment, may force him to conform to any other establishment in all cases whatsoever?”

Being that your interpretation of the article VI of our constitution is wrong, it makes all of your attempted points above mute.

Your highlighted part involves the non-discrimination of any religion's that are peaceful, and see God (the same God) as the head of their religious beliefs in which makes them compatible to that of our American culture in which had been formed with the Gospels as our guiding light, and in which had been established in our hearts, within our mind's, and has of course the same God of peace set in stone upon that forming in which we accepted from the beginning.

Of course we are to discriminate against any form of belief that endangers or is hostile towards our American beliefs in which includes our religious beliefs that we had brought with us on day one of our establishing of this nation.... Especially with such beliefs still intact. There is no separating us from our religious beliefs, our God or our country in which we have established so long ago. The attempt to do so is an attempt to seize this nation by any means nessesary, and that is unexceptable to the majority of American's to this very day I do believe.

The United States Constitution.

Article VI
but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

Article VI guaranteed that governance of this country was not limited to Christians, and it was acknowledged at the time that Article VI allowed Jews, Muslims, atheists, Hindus, etc to hold Federal office.

Amendment I is what Jefferson was referring to when he said “this building a wall of separation between Church & State:” that no religion would dominate the government, and that the government would not tell people which religious beliefs were allowed or favor any religious beliefs over others.

And then in Everson v Board of Education of Ewing Township, the SCOTUS ruled that the establishment clause applied to the states via Amendment XIV, ruling that including parochial schools in reimbursing public transportation fares for school children was NOT a violation of the first amendment.

So, which specific parts of the Constitution are you objecting to?
Article VI which allows those of any or no religious belief to hold office?
Amendment I which forbids religious dominance or favoritism?
Or Amendment XIX, which incorporates most of the Bill of Rights, applying them to state and local governments?

I would appreciate (but I do not anticipate) specific legal arguments, not vague rhetorical claims.

Now....focus like a laser, junior

What does this have to do with anything in the thread?

Was your thread not about Separation of Church and State?

If this is your attempt to support Leftist, atheism or anti-Americanism.....you've failed miserably.

You were objecting to the concept of Church State separation.

The concept of this separation was specifically based on the Establishment Clause, but reasonably also can refer to Article VI and the Free Exercise Clause If the 1A, and the incorporation If the establishment and free exercise clauses by Amendment XIV.

Therefore, if you object to the concept of Church State Separation you must also object to the laws that establish the Walk of Separation.

Is that simple enough for you?

There never was any basis for separating our founding based on the Judeo-Christian concepts and faith from governance.


It was presented to allow Babeuf's and Marx's and Hegel's view of the primacy of government over the God-given rights of the individual.


Free exercise of any or no religion has nothing....nothing.....to do with the bogus restrictions of separation of church and state.

Is that simple enough for you?

Too simple, and vague, as I expected.
Let’s try again:
Do you agree that there should be no religious requirement for office? That Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, atheists, Wiccans, etc, should all be equally eligible for office?

Do you agree that the government should not favor or support any religion (or group of religions) over any other?

Do you agree that no one should be required, pressured, or encouraged to attend any religious observation or ceremony?

Do you agree that all people have the equal right to express their religion?

Do you agree that majority opinion should have no role in any expression of religion?


And last, an observation from James Madison: “Who does not see that the same authority which can establish Christianity, in exclusion of all other Religions, may establish with the same ease any particular sect of Christians, in exclusion of all other Sects? that the same authority which can force a citizen to contribute three pence only of his property for the support of any one establishment, may force him to conform to any other establishment in all cases whatsoever?”

Read it again, or have someone help you read it....and see if you find any religious requirement for office.


1.The battle cry of the Left…”separation of church and state.” Why? Truth is, America was founded based on the Judeo-Christian faith, the Bible being the most quoted source by our Founders. And those Founders were religious folks who saw America escaping the king as the extension of the Jews escaping Egypt.

The reason our revolution was so different from the violent, homicidal chaos of the French version was the dominant American culture was Anglo-Saxon and Christian. “52 of the 56 signers of the declaration and 50 to 52 of the 55 signers of the Constitution were orthodox Trinitarian Christians.” http://www.davidlimbaugh.com/mt/archives/2010/02/new_column_libe_4.html

They were believers in the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, or, as they would be known by Leftists today, “an extremist Fundamentalist hate group.”
Oh.....a "white" extremist Fundamentalist hate group.”



2. The fact is that as part of Western Civilization, we owe our origins to a particular combination of these doctrines: God created every human in His image and human beings are able to investigate and make rational conclusions about the world. These two ideas were born in Jerusalem and Athens, respectively.
[Ben Shapiro]

To claim that America was not created with these ideas is a terrible lie, a scheme to cheat generations of Americans who believe what government school tells them.
Nor is it an accident….it is the plan.

“Once abolish the God and the government becomes the God.” G.K. Chesterton





3. Nor is it a coincidence that the acolyte of Joseph Stalin, that would be Franklin Roosevelt, as his first Supreme Court nominee, chose KKKer Hugo Black, who wrote into jurisprudence, the infamous ‘separation of church and state’ lie. Perhaps Black never saw the motto on the back of the Great Seal…

annuit coeptis Latin. He (God) has favored our undertakings.
It is the motto, adapted from the Aeneid (IX.625), that appears
on the reverse of the Great Seal of the United States.





4. But, why subvert the faith on which this country was built?
Answer: To replace our inheritance, Genesis 1:26, individualism, with the collective.

"The abandonment of the Christian tradition that created the West's most cherished ideal [with] a radical secularism evident in Europe's indifference to God and church- created a vacuum of belief into which many pseudo-religions have poured: scientism, fascism, communism, environmentalism, multiculturalism, sheer hedonism [and Islam] - all have attempted and failed....to provide Europeans with an alternative to Christianity that can show them what is worth living and dying for."
From "Decline and Fall: Europe's Slow-Motion Suicide," by Bruce Thornton


“…will America be made better by curbing religion in the name of secularism, of vice versa?” Ben Shapiro





Any such reference?


No?


So....why did you pretend there was?

oh, should I repost my posts and ask you to tell me where I stated that you mentioned a religious requirement for office?

See, while some people who speak against the separation of Church and State do want a theocracy, or otherwise explicitly religious government, most don’t. But neither are they explicit in what they do want: what exactly eliminating separation would mean in practice.

So to determine what exactly you want in specific legal details, and which parts of the Constitution you might oppose, I have to ask your opinion on specific topics.

I note that you didn’t actually respond if you think Muslims, atheists, Hindus, Wiccans, should be allowed to run for Congress or President, or be appointed to the Supreme Court. Maybe you’re ok with it, maybe you’re not. I find it curious that you refuse to answer something fairly fundamental to Church State Separation.

 

[Moonglow]

I don't mind you having a religion as long as you don't mind me not having your religion..

 

[PoliticalChic]

Now....focus like a laser, junior

What does this have to do with anything in the thread?

Was your thread not about Separation of Church and State?

If this is your attempt to support Leftist, atheism or anti-Americanism.....you've failed miserably.

You were objecting to the concept of Church State separation.

The concept of this separation was specifically based on the Establishment Clause, but reasonably also can refer to Article VI and the Free Exercise Clause If the 1A, and the incorporation If the establishment and free exercise clauses by Amendment XIV.

Therefore, if you object to the concept of Church State Separation you must also object to the laws that establish the Walk of Separation.

Is that simple enough for you?

There never was any basis for separating our founding based on the Judeo-Christian concepts and faith from governance.


It was presented to allow Babeuf's and Marx's and Hegel's view of the primacy of government over the God-given rights of the individual.


Free exercise of any or no religion has nothing....nothing.....to do with the bogus restrictions of separation of church and state.

Is that simple enough for you?

Too simple, and vague, as I expected.
Let’s try again:
Do you agree that there should be no religious requirement for office? That Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, atheists, Wiccans, etc, should all be equally eligible for office?

Do you agree that the government should not favor or support any religion (or group of religions) over any other?

Do you agree that no one should be required, pressured, or encouraged to attend any religious observation or ceremony?

Do you agree that all people have the equal right to express their religion?

Do you agree that majority opinion should have no role in any expression of religion?


And last, an observation from James Madison: “Who does not see that the same authority which can establish Christianity, in exclusion of all other Religions, may establish with the same ease any particular sect of Christians, in exclusion of all other Sects? that the same authority which can force a citizen to contribute three pence only of his property for the support of any one establishment, may force him to conform to any other establishment in all cases whatsoever?”

Being that your interpretation of the article VI of our constitution is wrong, it makes all of your attempted points above mute.

Your highlighted part involves the non-discrimination of any religion's that are peaceful, and see God (the same God) as the head of their religious beliefs in which makes them compatible to that of our American culture in which had been formed with the Gospels as our guiding light, and in which had been established in our hearts, within our mind's, and has of course the same God of peace set in stone upon that forming in which we accepted from the beginning.

Of course we are to discriminate against any form of belief that endangers or is hostile towards our American beliefs in which includes our religious beliefs that we had brought with us on day one of our establishing of this nation.... Especially with such beliefs still intact. There is no separating us from our religious beliefs, our God or our country in which we have established so long ago. The attempt to do so is an attempt to seize this nation by any means nessesary, and that is unexceptable to the majority of American's to this very day I do believe.

Now....focus like a laser, junior

What does this have to do with anything in the thread?

Was your thread not about Separation of Church and State?

If this is your attempt to support Leftist, atheism or anti-Americanism.....you've failed miserably.

You were objecting to the concept of Church State separation.

The concept of this separation was specifically based on the Establishment Clause, but reasonably also can refer to Article VI and the Free Exercise Clause If the 1A, and the incorporation If the establishment and free exercise clauses by Amendment XIV.

Therefore, if you object to the concept of Church State Separation you must also object to the laws that establish the Walk of Separation.

Is that simple enough for you?

There never was any basis for separating our founding based on the Judeo-Christian concepts and faith from governance.


It was presented to allow Babeuf's and Marx's and Hegel's view of the primacy of government over the God-given rights of the individual.


Free exercise of any or no religion has nothing....nothing.....to do with the bogus restrictions of separation of church and state.

Is that simple enough for you?

Too simple, and vague, as I expected.
Let’s try again:
Do you agree that there should be no religious requirement for office? That Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, atheists, Wiccans, etc, should all be equally eligible for office?

Do you agree that the government should not favor or support any religion (or group of religions) over any other?

Do you agree that no one should be required, pressured, or encouraged to attend any religious observation or ceremony?

Do you agree that all people have the equal right to express their religion?

Do you agree that majority opinion should have no role in any expression of religion?


And last, an observation from James Madison: “Who does not see that the same authority which can establish Christianity, in exclusion of all other Religions, may establish with the same ease any particular sect of Christians, in exclusion of all other Sects? that the same authority which can force a citizen to contribute three pence only of his property for the support of any one establishment, may force him to conform to any other establishment in all cases whatsoever?”

Read it again, or have someone help you read it....and see if you find any religious requirement for office.


1.The battle cry of the Left…”separation of church and state.” Why? Truth is, America was founded based on the Judeo-Christian faith, the Bible being the most quoted source by our Founders. And those Founders were religious folks who saw America escaping the king as the extension of the Jews escaping Egypt.

The reason our revolution was so different from the violent, homicidal chaos of the French version was the dominant American culture was Anglo-Saxon and Christian. “52 of the 56 signers of the declaration and 50 to 52 of the 55 signers of the Constitution were orthodox Trinitarian Christians.” http://www.davidlimbaugh.com/mt/archives/2010/02/new_column_libe_4.html

They were believers in the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, or, as they would be known by Leftists today, “an extremist Fundamentalist hate group.”
Oh.....a "white" extremist Fundamentalist hate group.”



2. The fact is that as part of Western Civilization, we owe our origins to a particular combination of these doctrines: God created every human in His image and human beings are able to investigate and make rational conclusions about the world. These two ideas were born in Jerusalem and Athens, respectively.
[Ben Shapiro]

To claim that America was not created with these ideas is a terrible lie, a scheme to cheat generations of Americans who believe what government school tells them.
Nor is it an accident….it is the plan.

“Once abolish the God and the government becomes the God.” G.K. Chesterton





3. Nor is it a coincidence that the acolyte of Joseph Stalin, that would be Franklin Roosevelt, as his first Supreme Court nominee, chose KKKer Hugo Black, who wrote into jurisprudence, the infamous ‘separation of church and state’ lie. Perhaps Black never saw the motto on the back of the Great Seal…

annuit coeptis Latin. He (God) has favored our undertakings.
It is the motto, adapted from the Aeneid (IX.625), that appears
on the reverse of the Great Seal of the United States.





4. But, why subvert the faith on which this country was built?
Answer: To replace our inheritance, Genesis 1:26, individualism, with the collective.

"The abandonment of the Christian tradition that created the West's most cherished ideal [with] a radical secularism evident in Europe's indifference to God and church- created a vacuum of belief into which many pseudo-religions have poured: scientism, fascism, communism, environmentalism, multiculturalism, sheer hedonism [and Islam] - all have attempted and failed....to provide Europeans with an alternative to Christianity that can show them what is worth living and dying for."
From "Decline and Fall: Europe's Slow-Motion Suicide," by Bruce Thornton


“…will America be made better by curbing religion in the name of secularism, of vice versa?” Ben Shapiro





Any such reference?


No?


So....why did you pretend there was?

oh, should I repost my posts and ask you to tell me where I stated that you mentioned a religious requirement for office?

See, while some people who speak against the separation of Church and State do want a theocracy, or otherwise explicitly religious government, most don’t. But neither are they explicit in what they do want: what exactly eliminating separation would mean in practice.

So to determine what exactly you want in specific legal details, and which parts of the Constitution you might oppose, I have to ask your opinion on specific topics.

I note that you didn’t actually respond if you think Muslims, atheists, Hindus, Wiccans, should be allowed to run for Congress or President, or be appointed to the Supreme Court. Maybe you’re ok with it, maybe you’re not. I find it curious that you refuse to answer something fairly fundamental to Church State Separation.

Did you write this?

"Do you agree that there should be no religious requirement for office?"



Did you write this?

"I note that you didn’t actually respond if you think Muslims, atheists, Hindus, Wiccans, should be allowed to run for Congress or President, or be appointed to the Supreme Court. "



Did you read this, and, if so, how did the above come from same?


1.The battle cry of the Left…”separation of church and state.” Why? Truth is, America was founded based on the Judeo-Christian faith, the Bible being the most quoted source by our Founders. And those Founders were religious folks who saw America escaping the king as the extension of the Jews escaping Egypt.

The reason our revolution was so different from the violent, homicidal chaos of the French version was the dominant American culture was Anglo-Saxon and Christian. “52 of the 56 signers of the declaration and 50 to 52 of the 55 signers of the Constitution were orthodox Trinitarian Christians.” http://www.davidlimbaugh.com/mt/archives/2010/02/new_column_libe_4.html

They were believers in the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, or, as they would be known by Leftists today, “an extremist Fundamentalist hate group.”
Oh.....a "white" extremist Fundamentalist hate group.”



2. The fact is that as part of Western Civilization, we owe our origins to a particular combination of these doctrines: God created every human in His image and human beings are able to investigate and make rational conclusions about the world. These two ideas were born in Jerusalem and Athens, respectively.
[Ben Shapiro]

To claim that America was not created with these ideas is a terrible lie, a scheme to cheat generations of Americans who believe what government school tells them.
Nor is it an accident….it is the plan.

“Once abolish the God and the government becomes the God.” G.K. Chesterton





3. Nor is it a coincidence that the acolyte of Joseph Stalin, that would be Franklin Roosevelt, as his first Supreme Court nominee, chose KKKer Hugo Black, who wrote into jurisprudence, the infamous ‘separation of church and state’ lie. Perhaps Black never saw the motto on the back of the Great Seal…

annuit coeptis Latin. He (God) has favored our undertakings.
It is the motto, adapted from the Aeneid (IX.625), that appears
on the reverse of the Great Seal of the United States.





4. But, why subvert the faith on which this country was built?
Answer: To replace our inheritance, Genesis 1:26, individualism, with the collective.

"The abandonment of the Christian tradition that created the West's most cherished ideal [with] a radical secularism evident in Europe's indifference to God and church- created a vacuum of belief into which many pseudo-religions have poured: scientism, fascism, communism, environmentalism, multiculturalism, sheer hedonism [and Islam] - all have attempted and failed....to provide Europeans with an alternative to Christianity that can show them what is worth living and dying for."
From "Decline and Fall: Europe's Slow-Motion Suicide," by Bruce Thornton


“…will America be made better by curbing religion in the name of secularism, of vice versa?” Ben Shapiro

 

[Moonglow]

America already has separation of church and state.

 

[pinqy]

Was your thread not about Separation of Church and State?


You were objecting to the concept of Church State separation.

The concept of this separation was specifically based on the Establishment Clause, but reasonably also can refer to Article VI and the Free Exercise Clause If the 1A, and the incorporation If the establishment and free exercise clauses by Amendment XIV.

Therefore, if you object to the concept of Church State Separation you must also object to the laws that establish the Walk of Separation.

Is that simple enough for you?

There never was any basis for separating our founding based on the Judeo-Christian concepts and faith from governance.


It was presented to allow Babeuf's and Marx's and Hegel's view of the primacy of government over the God-given rights of the individual.


Free exercise of any or no religion has nothing....nothing.....to do with the bogus restrictions of separation of church and state.

Is that simple enough for you?

Too simple, and vague, as I expected.
Let’s try again:
Do you agree that there should be no religious requirement for office? That Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, atheists, Wiccans, etc, should all be equally eligible for office?

Do you agree that the government should not favor or support any religion (or group of religions) over any other?

Do you agree that no one should be required, pressured, or encouraged to attend any religious observation or ceremony?

Do you agree that all people have the equal right to express their religion?

Do you agree that majority opinion should have no role in any expression of religion?


And last, an observation from James Madison: “Who does not see that the same authority which can establish Christianity, in exclusion of all other Religions, may establish with the same ease any particular sect of Christians, in exclusion of all other Sects? that the same authority which can force a citizen to contribute three pence only of his property for the support of any one establishment, may force him to conform to any other establishment in all cases whatsoever?”

Being that your interpretation of the article VI of our constitution is wrong, it makes all of your attempted points above mute.

Your highlighted part involves the non-discrimination of any religion's that are peaceful, and see God (the same God) as the head of their religious beliefs in which makes them compatible to that of our American culture in which had been formed with the Gospels as our guiding light, and in which had been established in our hearts, within our mind's, and has of course the same God of peace set in stone upon that forming in which we accepted from the beginning.

Of course we are to discriminate against any form of belief that endangers or is hostile towards our American beliefs in which includes our religious beliefs that we had brought with us on day one of our establishing of this nation.... Especially with such beliefs still intact. There is no separating us from our religious beliefs, our God or our country in which we have established so long ago. The attempt to do so is an attempt to seize this nation by any means nessesary, and that is unexceptable to the majority of American's to this very day I do believe.

Was your thread not about Separation of Church and State?


You were objecting to the concept of Church State separation.

The concept of this separation was specifically based on the Establishment Clause, but reasonably also can refer to Article VI and the Free Exercise Clause If the 1A, and the incorporation If the establishment and free exercise clauses by Amendment XIV.

Therefore, if you object to the concept of Church State Separation you must also object to the laws that establish the Walk of Separation.

Is that simple enough for you?

There never was any basis for separating our founding based on the Judeo-Christian concepts and faith from governance.


It was presented to allow Babeuf's and Marx's and Hegel's view of the primacy of government over the God-given rights of the individual.


Free exercise of any or no religion has nothing....nothing.....to do with the bogus restrictions of separation of church and state.

Is that simple enough for you?

Too simple, and vague, as I expected.
Let’s try again:
Do you agree that there should be no religious requirement for office? That Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, atheists, Wiccans, etc, should all be equally eligible for office?

Do you agree that the government should not favor or support any religion (or group of religions) over any other?

Do you agree that no one should be required, pressured, or encouraged to attend any religious observation or ceremony?

Do you agree that all people have the equal right to express their religion?

Do you agree that majority opinion should have no role in any expression of religion?


And last, an observation from James Madison: “Who does not see that the same authority which can establish Christianity, in exclusion of all other Religions, may establish with the same ease any particular sect of Christians, in exclusion of all other Sects? that the same authority which can force a citizen to contribute three pence only of his property for the support of any one establishment, may force him to conform to any other establishment in all cases whatsoever?”

Read it again, or have someone help you read it....and see if you find any religious requirement for office.


1.The battle cry of the Left…”separation of church and state.” Why? Truth is, America was founded based on the Judeo-Christian faith, the Bible being the most quoted source by our Founders. And those Founders were religious folks who saw America escaping the king as the extension of the Jews escaping Egypt.

The reason our revolution was so different from the violent, homicidal chaos of the French version was the dominant American culture was Anglo-Saxon and Christian. “52 of the 56 signers of the declaration and 50 to 52 of the 55 signers of the Constitution were orthodox Trinitarian Christians.” http://www.davidlimbaugh.com/mt/archives/2010/02/new_column_libe_4.html

They were believers in the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, or, as they would be known by Leftists today, “an extremist Fundamentalist hate group.”
Oh.....a "white" extremist Fundamentalist hate group.”



2. The fact is that as part of Western Civilization, we owe our origins to a particular combination of these doctrines: God created every human in His image and human beings are able to investigate and make rational conclusions about the world. These two ideas were born in Jerusalem and Athens, respectively.
[Ben Shapiro]

To claim that America was not created with these ideas is a terrible lie, a scheme to cheat generations of Americans who believe what government school tells them.
Nor is it an accident….it is the plan.

“Once abolish the God and the government becomes the God.” G.K. Chesterton





3. Nor is it a coincidence that the acolyte of Joseph Stalin, that would be Franklin Roosevelt, as his first Supreme Court nominee, chose KKKer Hugo Black, who wrote into jurisprudence, the infamous ‘separation of church and state’ lie. Perhaps Black never saw the motto on the back of the Great Seal…

annuit coeptis Latin. He (God) has favored our undertakings.
It is the motto, adapted from the Aeneid (IX.625), that appears
on the reverse of the Great Seal of the United States.





4. But, why subvert the faith on which this country was built?
Answer: To replace our inheritance, Genesis 1:26, individualism, with the collective.

"The abandonment of the Christian tradition that created the West's most cherished ideal [with] a radical secularism evident in Europe's indifference to God and church- created a vacuum of belief into which many pseudo-religions have poured: scientism, fascism, communism, environmentalism, multiculturalism, sheer hedonism [and Islam] - all have attempted and failed....to provide Europeans with an alternative to Christianity that can show them what is worth living and dying for."
From "Decline and Fall: Europe's Slow-Motion Suicide," by Bruce Thornton


“…will America be made better by curbing religion in the name of secularism, of vice versa?” Ben Shapiro





Any such reference?


No?


So....why did you pretend there was?

oh, should I repost my posts and ask you to tell me where I stated that you mentioned a religious requirement for office?

See, while some people who speak against the separation of Church and State do want a theocracy, or otherwise explicitly religious government, most don’t. But neither are they explicit in what they do want: what exactly eliminating separation would mean in practice.

So to determine what exactly you want in specific legal details, and which parts of the Constitution you might oppose, I have to ask your opinion on specific topics.

I note that you didn’t actually respond if you think Muslims, atheists, Hindus, Wiccans, should be allowed to run for Congress or President, or be appointed to the Supreme Court. Maybe you’re ok with it, maybe you’re not. I find it curious that you refuse to answer something fairly fundamental to Church State Separation.

Did you write this?

"Do you agree that there should be no religious requirement for office?"



Did you write this?

"I note that you didn’t actually respond if you think Muslims, atheists, Hindus, Wiccans, should be allowed to run for Congress or President, or be appointed to the Supreme Court. "



Did you read this, and, if so, how did the above come from same?


1.The battle cry of the Left…”separation of church and state.” Why? Truth is, America was founded based on the Judeo-Christian faith, the Bible being the most quoted source by our Founders. And those Founders were religious folks who saw America escaping the king as the extension of the Jews escaping Egypt.

The reason our revolution was so different from the violent, homicidal chaos of the French version was the dominant American culture was Anglo-Saxon and Christian. “52 of the 56 signers of the declaration and 50 to 52 of the 55 signers of the Constitution were orthodox Trinitarian Christians.” http://www.davidlimbaugh.com/mt/archives/2010/02/new_column_libe_4.html

They were believers in the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, or, as they would be known by Leftists today, “an extremist Fundamentalist hate group.”
Oh.....a "white" extremist Fundamentalist hate group.”



2. The fact is that as part of Western Civilization, we owe our origins to a particular combination of these doctrines: God created every human in His image and human beings are able to investigate and make rational conclusions about the world. These two ideas were born in Jerusalem and Athens, respectively.
[Ben Shapiro]

To claim that America was not created with these ideas is a terrible lie, a scheme to cheat generations of Americans who believe what government school tells them.
Nor is it an accident….it is the plan.

“Once abolish the God and the government becomes the God.” G.K. Chesterton





3. Nor is it a coincidence that the acolyte of Joseph Stalin, that would be Franklin Roosevelt, as his first Supreme Court nominee, chose KKKer Hugo Black, who wrote into jurisprudence, the infamous ‘separation of church and state’ lie. Perhaps Black never saw the motto on the back of the Great Seal…

annuit coeptis Latin. He (God) has favored our undertakings.
It is the motto, adapted from the Aeneid (IX.625), that appears
on the reverse of the Great Seal of the United States.





4. But, why subvert the faith on which this country was built?
Answer: To replace our inheritance, Genesis 1:26, individualism, with the collective.

"The abandonment of the Christian tradition that created the West's most cherished ideal [with] a radical secularism evident in Europe's indifference to God and church- created a vacuum of belief into which many pseudo-religions have poured: scientism, fascism, communism, environmentalism, multiculturalism, sheer hedonism [and Islam] - all have attempted and failed....to provide Europeans with an alternative to Christianity that can show them what is worth living and dying for."
From "Decline and Fall: Europe's Slow-Motion Suicide," by Bruce Thornton


“…will America be made better by curbing religion in the name of secularism, of vice versa?” Ben Shapiro

What part was unclear?
See, while some people who speak against the separation of Church and State do want a theocracy, or otherwise explicitly religious government, most don’t. But neither are they explicit in what they do want: what exactly eliminating separation would mean in practice.

So to determine what exactly you want in specific legal details, and which parts of the Constitution you might oppose, I have to ask your opinion on specific topics.

That flat out says you did NOT mention religious tests.

So because you didn’t say what your opinion was, how am I supposed to know? It is not possible for you not to have an opinion.

I’ m starting to think you must have a reason for not sharing that or how specifically you think minority religions should be treated.

 

[PoliticalChic]

There never was any basis for separating our founding based on the Judeo-Christian concepts and faith from governance.


It was presented to allow Babeuf's and Marx's and Hegel's view of the primacy of government over the God-given rights of the individual.


Free exercise of any or no religion has nothing....nothing.....to do with the bogus restrictions of separation of church and state.

Is that simple enough for you?

Too simple, and vague, as I expected.
Let’s try again:
Do you agree that there should be no religious requirement for office? That Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, atheists, Wiccans, etc, should all be equally eligible for office?

Do you agree that the government should not favor or support any religion (or group of religions) over any other?

Do you agree that no one should be required, pressured, or encouraged to attend any religious observation or ceremony?

Do you agree that all people have the equal right to express their religion?

Do you agree that majority opinion should have no role in any expression of religion?


And last, an observation from James Madison: “Who does not see that the same authority which can establish Christianity, in exclusion of all other Religions, may establish with the same ease any particular sect of Christians, in exclusion of all other Sects? that the same authority which can force a citizen to contribute three pence only of his property for the support of any one establishment, may force him to conform to any other establishment in all cases whatsoever?”

Being that your interpretation of the article VI of our constitution is wrong, it makes all of your attempted points above mute.

Your highlighted part involves the non-discrimination of any religion's that are peaceful, and see God (the same God) as the head of their religious beliefs in which makes them compatible to that of our American culture in which had been formed with the Gospels as our guiding light, and in which had been established in our hearts, within our mind's, and has of course the same God of peace set in stone upon that forming in which we accepted from the beginning.

Of course we are to discriminate against any form of belief that endangers or is hostile towards our American beliefs in which includes our religious beliefs that we had brought with us on day one of our establishing of this nation.... Especially with such beliefs still intact. There is no separating us from our religious beliefs, our God or our country in which we have established so long ago. The attempt to do so is an attempt to seize this nation by any means nessesary, and that is unexceptable to the majority of American's to this very day I do believe.

There never was any basis for separating our founding based on the Judeo-Christian concepts and faith from governance.


It was presented to allow Babeuf's and Marx's and Hegel's view of the primacy of government over the God-given rights of the individual.


Free exercise of any or no religion has nothing....nothing.....to do with the bogus restrictions of separation of church and state.

Is that simple enough for you?

Too simple, and vague, as I expected.
Let’s try again:
Do you agree that there should be no religious requirement for office? That Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, atheists, Wiccans, etc, should all be equally eligible for office?

Do you agree that the government should not favor or support any religion (or group of religions) over any other?

Do you agree that no one should be required, pressured, or encouraged to attend any religious observation or ceremony?

Do you agree that all people have the equal right to express their religion?

Do you agree that majority opinion should have no role in any expression of religion?


And last, an observation from James Madison: “Who does not see that the same authority which can establish Christianity, in exclusion of all other Religions, may establish with the same ease any particular sect of Christians, in exclusion of all other Sects? that the same authority which can force a citizen to contribute three pence only of his property for the support of any one establishment, may force him to conform to any other establishment in all cases whatsoever?”

Read it again, or have someone help you read it....and see if you find any religious requirement for office.


1.The battle cry of the Left…”separation of church and state.” Why? Truth is, America was founded based on the Judeo-Christian faith, the Bible being the most quoted source by our Founders. And those Founders were religious folks who saw America escaping the king as the extension of the Jews escaping Egypt.

The reason our revolution was so different from the violent, homicidal chaos of the French version was the dominant American culture was Anglo-Saxon and Christian. “52 of the 56 signers of the declaration and 50 to 52 of the 55 signers of the Constitution were orthodox Trinitarian Christians.” http://www.davidlimbaugh.com/mt/archives/2010/02/new_column_libe_4.html

They were believers in the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, or, as they would be known by Leftists today, “an extremist Fundamentalist hate group.”
Oh.....a "white" extremist Fundamentalist hate group.”



2. The fact is that as part of Western Civilization, we owe our origins to a particular combination of these doctrines: God created every human in His image and human beings are able to investigate and make rational conclusions about the world. These two ideas were born in Jerusalem and Athens, respectively.
[Ben Shapiro]

To claim that America was not created with these ideas is a terrible lie, a scheme to cheat generations of Americans who believe what government school tells them.
Nor is it an accident….it is the plan.

“Once abolish the God and the government becomes the God.” G.K. Chesterton





3. Nor is it a coincidence that the acolyte of Joseph Stalin, that would be Franklin Roosevelt, as his first Supreme Court nominee, chose KKKer Hugo Black, who wrote into jurisprudence, the infamous ‘separation of church and state’ lie. Perhaps Black never saw the motto on the back of the Great Seal…

annuit coeptis Latin. He (God) has favored our undertakings.
It is the motto, adapted from the Aeneid (IX.625), that appears
on the reverse of the Great Seal of the United States.





4. But, why subvert the faith on which this country was built?
Answer: To replace our inheritance, Genesis 1:26, individualism, with the collective.

"The abandonment of the Christian tradition that created the West's most cherished ideal [with] a radical secularism evident in Europe's indifference to God and church- created a vacuum of belief into which many pseudo-religions have poured: scientism, fascism, communism, environmentalism, multiculturalism, sheer hedonism [and Islam] - all have attempted and failed....to provide Europeans with an alternative to Christianity that can show them what is worth living and dying for."
From "Decline and Fall: Europe's Slow-Motion Suicide," by Bruce Thornton


“…will America be made better by curbing religion in the name of secularism, of vice versa?” Ben Shapiro





Any such reference?


No?


So....why did you pretend there was?

oh, should I repost my posts and ask you to tell me where I stated that you mentioned a religious requirement for office?

See, while some people who speak against the separation of Church and State do want a theocracy, or otherwise explicitly religious government, most don’t. But neither are they explicit in what they do want: what exactly eliminating separation would mean in practice.

So to determine what exactly you want in specific legal details, and which parts of the Constitution you might oppose, I have to ask your opinion on specific topics.

I note that you didn’t actually respond if you think Muslims, atheists, Hindus, Wiccans, should be allowed to run for Congress or President, or be appointed to the Supreme Court. Maybe you’re ok with it, maybe you’re not. I find it curious that you refuse to answer something fairly fundamental to Church State Separation.

Did you write this?

"Do you agree that there should be no religious requirement for office?"



Did you write this?

"I note that you didn’t actually respond if you think Muslims, atheists, Hindus, Wiccans, should be allowed to run for Congress or President, or be appointed to the Supreme Court. "



Did you read this, and, if so, how did the above come from same?


1.The battle cry of the Left…”separation of church and state.” Why? Truth is, America was founded based on the Judeo-Christian faith, the Bible being the most quoted source by our Founders. And those Founders were religious folks who saw America escaping the king as the extension of the Jews escaping Egypt.

The reason our revolution was so different from the violent, homicidal chaos of the French version was the dominant American culture was Anglo-Saxon and Christian. “52 of the 56 signers of the declaration and 50 to 52 of the 55 signers of the Constitution were orthodox Trinitarian Christians.” http://www.davidlimbaugh.com/mt/archives/2010/02/new_column_libe_4.html

They were believers in the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, or, as they would be known by Leftists today, “an extremist Fundamentalist hate group.”
Oh.....a "white" extremist Fundamentalist hate group.”



2. The fact is that as part of Western Civilization, we owe our origins to a particular combination of these doctrines: God created every human in His image and human beings are able to investigate and make rational conclusions about the world. These two ideas were born in Jerusalem and Athens, respectively.
[Ben Shapiro]

To claim that America was not created with these ideas is a terrible lie, a scheme to cheat generations of Americans who believe what government school tells them.
Nor is it an accident….it is the plan.

“Once abolish the God and the government becomes the God.” G.K. Chesterton





3. Nor is it a coincidence that the acolyte of Joseph Stalin, that would be Franklin Roosevelt, as his first Supreme Court nominee, chose KKKer Hugo Black, who wrote into jurisprudence, the infamous ‘separation of church and state’ lie. Perhaps Black never saw the motto on the back of the Great Seal…

annuit coeptis Latin. He (God) has favored our undertakings.
It is the motto, adapted from the Aeneid (IX.625), that appears
on the reverse of the Great Seal of the United States.





4. But, why subvert the faith on which this country was built?
Answer: To replace our inheritance, Genesis 1:26, individualism, with the collective.

"The abandonment of the Christian tradition that created the West's most cherished ideal [with] a radical secularism evident in Europe's indifference to God and church- created a vacuum of belief into which many pseudo-religions have poured: scientism, fascism, communism, environmentalism, multiculturalism, sheer hedonism [and Islam] - all have attempted and failed....to provide Europeans with an alternative to Christianity that can show them what is worth living and dying for."
From "Decline and Fall: Europe's Slow-Motion Suicide," by Bruce Thornton


“…will America be made better by curbing religion in the name of secularism, of vice versa?” Ben Shapiro

What part was unclear?
See, while some people who speak against the separation of Church and State do want a theocracy, or otherwise explicitly religious government, most don’t. But neither are they explicit in what they do want: what exactly eliminating separation would mean in practice.

So to determine what exactly you want in specific legal details, and which parts of the Constitution you might oppose, I have to ask your opinion on specific topics.

That flat out says you did NOT mention religious tests.

So because you didn’t say what your opinion was, how am I supposed to know? It is not possible for you not to have an opinion.

I’ m starting to think you must have a reason for not sharing that or how specifically you think minority religions should be treated.

What is unclear is why you tried to imply a bias not in evidence.



Did you write this?

"Do you agree that there should be no religious requirement for office?"



Did you write this?

"I note that you didn’t actually respond if you think Muslims, atheists, Hindus, Wiccans, should be allowed to run for Congress or President, or be appointed to the Supreme Court. "

 

[PoliticalChic]

There never was any basis for separating our founding based on the Judeo-Christian concepts and faith from governance.


It was presented to allow Babeuf's and Marx's and Hegel's view of the primacy of government over the God-given rights of the individual.


Free exercise of any or no religion has nothing....nothing.....to do with the bogus restrictions of separation of church and state.

Is that simple enough for you?

Too simple, and vague, as I expected.
Let’s try again:
Do you agree that there should be no religious requirement for office? That Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, atheists, Wiccans, etc, should all be equally eligible for office?

Do you agree that the government should not favor or support any religion (or group of religions) over any other?

Do you agree that no one should be required, pressured, or encouraged to attend any religious observation or ceremony?

Do you agree that all people have the equal right to express their religion?

Do you agree that majority opinion should have no role in any expression of religion?


And last, an observation from James Madison: “Who does not see that the same authority which can establish Christianity, in exclusion of all other Religions, may establish with the same ease any particular sect of Christians, in exclusion of all other Sects? that the same authority which can force a citizen to contribute three pence only of his property for the support of any one establishment, may force him to conform to any other establishment in all cases whatsoever?”

Being that your interpretation of the article VI of our constitution is wrong, it makes all of your attempted points above mute.

Your highlighted part involves the non-discrimination of any religion's that are peaceful, and see God (the same God) as the head of their religious beliefs in which makes them compatible to that of our American culture in which had been formed with the Gospels as our guiding light, and in which had been established in our hearts, within our mind's, and has of course the same God of peace set in stone upon that forming in which we accepted from the beginning.

Of course we are to discriminate against any form of belief that endangers or is hostile towards our American beliefs in which includes our religious beliefs that we had brought with us on day one of our establishing of this nation.... Especially with such beliefs still intact. There is no separating us from our religious beliefs, our God or our country in which we have established so long ago. The attempt to do so is an attempt to seize this nation by any means nessesary, and that is unexceptable to the majority of American's to this very day I do believe.

There never was any basis for separating our founding based on the Judeo-Christian concepts and faith from governance.


It was presented to allow Babeuf's and Marx's and Hegel's view of the primacy of government over the God-given rights of the individual.


Free exercise of any or no religion has nothing....nothing.....to do with the bogus restrictions of separation of church and state.

Is that simple enough for you?

Too simple, and vague, as I expected.
Let’s try again:
Do you agree that there should be no religious requirement for office? That Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, atheists, Wiccans, etc, should all be equally eligible for office?

Do you agree that the government should not favor or support any religion (or group of religions) over any other?

Do you agree that no one should be required, pressured, or encouraged to attend any religious observation or ceremony?

Do you agree that all people have the equal right to express their religion?

Do you agree that majority opinion should have no role in any expression of religion?


And last, an observation from James Madison: “Who does not see that the same authority which can establish Christianity, in exclusion of all other Religions, may establish with the same ease any particular sect of Christians, in exclusion of all other Sects? that the same authority which can force a citizen to contribute three pence only of his property for the support of any one establishment, may force him to conform to any other establishment in all cases whatsoever?”

Read it again, or have someone help you read it....and see if you find any religious requirement for office.


1.The battle cry of the Left…”separation of church and state.” Why? Truth is, America was founded based on the Judeo-Christian faith, the Bible being the most quoted source by our Founders. And those Founders were religious folks who saw America escaping the king as the extension of the Jews escaping Egypt.

The reason our revolution was so different from the violent, homicidal chaos of the French version was the dominant American culture was Anglo-Saxon and Christian. “52 of the 56 signers of the declaration and 50 to 52 of the 55 signers of the Constitution were orthodox Trinitarian Christians.” http://www.davidlimbaugh.com/mt/archives/2010/02/new_column_libe_4.html

They were believers in the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, or, as they would be known by Leftists today, “an extremist Fundamentalist hate group.”
Oh.....a "white" extremist Fundamentalist hate group.”



2. The fact is that as part of Western Civilization, we owe our origins to a particular combination of these doctrines: God created every human in His image and human beings are able to investigate and make rational conclusions about the world. These two ideas were born in Jerusalem and Athens, respectively.
[Ben Shapiro]

To claim that America was not created with these ideas is a terrible lie, a scheme to cheat generations of Americans who believe what government school tells them.
Nor is it an accident….it is the plan.

“Once abolish the God and the government becomes the God.” G.K. Chesterton





3. Nor is it a coincidence that the acolyte of Joseph Stalin, that would be Franklin Roosevelt, as his first Supreme Court nominee, chose KKKer Hugo Black, who wrote into jurisprudence, the infamous ‘separation of church and state’ lie. Perhaps Black never saw the motto on the back of the Great Seal…

annuit coeptis Latin. He (God) has favored our undertakings.
It is the motto, adapted from the Aeneid (IX.625), that appears
on the reverse of the Great Seal of the United States.





4. But, why subvert the faith on which this country was built?
Answer: To replace our inheritance, Genesis 1:26, individualism, with the collective.

"The abandonment of the Christian tradition that created the West's most cherished ideal [with] a radical secularism evident in Europe's indifference to God and church- created a vacuum of belief into which many pseudo-religions have poured: scientism, fascism, communism, environmentalism, multiculturalism, sheer hedonism [and Islam] - all have attempted and failed....to provide Europeans with an alternative to Christianity that can show them what is worth living and dying for."
From "Decline and Fall: Europe's Slow-Motion Suicide," by Bruce Thornton


“…will America be made better by curbing religion in the name of secularism, of vice versa?” Ben Shapiro





Any such reference?


No?


So....why did you pretend there was?

oh, should I repost my posts and ask you to tell me where I stated that you mentioned a religious requirement for office?

See, while some people who speak against the separation of Church and State do want a theocracy, or otherwise explicitly religious government, most don’t. But neither are they explicit in what they do want: what exactly eliminating separation would mean in practice.

So to determine what exactly you want in specific legal details, and which parts of the Constitution you might oppose, I have to ask your opinion on specific topics.

I note that you didn’t actually respond if you think Muslims, atheists, Hindus, Wiccans, should be allowed to run for Congress or President, or be appointed to the Supreme Court. Maybe you’re ok with it, maybe you’re not. I find it curious that you refuse to answer something fairly fundamental to Church State Separation.

Did you write this?

"Do you agree that there should be no religious requirement for office?"



Did you write this?

"I note that you didn’t actually respond if you think Muslims, atheists, Hindus, Wiccans, should be allowed to run for Congress or President, or be appointed to the Supreme Court. "



Did you read this, and, if so, how did the above come from same?


1.The battle cry of the Left…”separation of church and state.” Why? Truth is, America was founded based on the Judeo-Christian faith, the Bible being the most quoted source by our Founders. And those Founders were religious folks who saw America escaping the king as the extension of the Jews escaping Egypt.

The reason our revolution was so different from the violent, homicidal chaos of the French version was the dominant American culture was Anglo-Saxon and Christian. “52 of the 56 signers of the declaration and 50 to 52 of the 55 signers of the Constitution were orthodox Trinitarian Christians.” http://www.davidlimbaugh.com/mt/archives/2010/02/new_column_libe_4.html

They were believers in the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, or, as they would be known by Leftists today, “an extremist Fundamentalist hate group.”
Oh.....a "white" extremist Fundamentalist hate group.”



2. The fact is that as part of Western Civilization, we owe our origins to a particular combination of these doctrines: God created every human in His image and human beings are able to investigate and make rational conclusions about the world. These two ideas were born in Jerusalem and Athens, respectively.
[Ben Shapiro]

To claim that America was not created with these ideas is a terrible lie, a scheme to cheat generations of Americans who believe what government school tells them.
Nor is it an accident….it is the plan.

“Once abolish the God and the government becomes the God.” G.K. Chesterton





3. Nor is it a coincidence that the acolyte of Joseph Stalin, that would be Franklin Roosevelt, as his first Supreme Court nominee, chose KKKer Hugo Black, who wrote into jurisprudence, the infamous ‘separation of church and state’ lie. Perhaps Black never saw the motto on the back of the Great Seal…

annuit coeptis Latin. He (God) has favored our undertakings.
It is the motto, adapted from the Aeneid (IX.625), that appears
on the reverse of the Great Seal of the United States.





4. But, why subvert the faith on which this country was built?
Answer: To replace our inheritance, Genesis 1:26, individualism, with the collective.

"The abandonment of the Christian tradition that created the West's most cherished ideal [with] a radical secularism evident in Europe's indifference to God and church- created a vacuum of belief into which many pseudo-religions have poured: scientism, fascism, communism, environmentalism, multiculturalism, sheer hedonism [and Islam] - all have attempted and failed....to provide Europeans with an alternative to Christianity that can show them what is worth living and dying for."
From "Decline and Fall: Europe's Slow-Motion Suicide," by Bruce Thornton


“…will America be made better by curbing religion in the name of secularism, of vice versa?” Ben Shapiro

What part was unclear?
See, while some people who speak against the separation of Church and State do want a theocracy, or otherwise explicitly religious government, most don’t. But neither are they explicit in what they do want: what exactly eliminating separation would mean in practice.

So to determine what exactly you want in specific legal details, and which parts of the Constitution you might oppose, I have to ask your opinion on specific topics.

That flat out says you did NOT mention religious tests.

So because you didn’t say what your opinion was, how am I supposed to know? It is not possible for you not to have an opinion.

I’ m starting to think you must have a reason for not sharing that or how specifically you think minority religions should be treated.

"So because you didn’t say what your opinion was, how am I supposed to know? It is not possible for you not to have an opinion."

You don't find my opinion herein.....or are you simply lying?


1.The battle cry of the Left…”separation of church and state.” Why? Truth is, America was founded based on the Judeo-Christian faith, the Bible being the most quoted source by our Founders. And those Founders were religious folks who saw America escaping the king as the extension of the Jews escaping Egypt.

The reason our revolution was so different from the violent, homicidal chaos of the French version was the dominant American culture was Anglo-Saxon and Christian. “52 of the 56 signers of the declaration and 50 to 52 of the 55 signers of the Constitution were orthodox Trinitarian Christians.” http://www.davidlimbaugh.com/mt/archives/2010/02/new_column_libe_4.html

They were believers in the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, or, as they would be known by Leftists today, “an extremist Fundamentalist hate group.”
Oh.....a "white" extremist Fundamentalist hate group.”



2. The fact is that as part of Western Civilization, we owe our origins to a particular combination of these doctrines: God created every human in His image and human beings are able to investigate and make rational conclusions about the world. These two ideas were born in Jerusalem and Athens, respectively.
[Ben Shapiro]

To claim that America was not created with these ideas is a terrible lie, a scheme to cheat generations of Americans who believe what government school tells them.
Nor is it an accident….it is the plan.

“Once abolish the God and the government becomes the God.” G.K. Chesterton





3. Nor is it a coincidence that the acolyte of Joseph Stalin, that would be Franklin Roosevelt, as his first Supreme Court nominee, chose KKKer Hugo Black, who wrote into jurisprudence, the infamous ‘separation of church and state’ lie. Perhaps Black never saw the motto on the back of the Great Seal…

annuit coeptis Latin. He (God) has favored our undertakings.
It is the motto, adapted from the Aeneid (IX.625), that appears
on the reverse of the Great Seal of the United States.





4. But, why subvert the faith on which this country was built?
Answer: To replace our inheritance, Genesis 1:26, individualism, with the collective.

"The abandonment of the Christian tradition that created the West's most cherished ideal [with] a radical secularism evident in Europe's indifference to God and church- created a vacuum of belief into which many pseudo-religions have poured: scientism, fascism, communism, environmentalism, multiculturalism, sheer hedonism [and Islam] - all have attempted and failed....to provide Europeans with an alternative to Christianity that can show them what is worth living and dying for."
From "Decline and Fall: Europe's Slow-Motion Suicide," by Bruce Thornton


“…will America be made better by curbing religion in the name of secularism, of vice versa?” Ben Shapiro

 

[pinqy]

Too simple, and vague, as I expected.
Let’s try again:
Do you agree that there should be no religious requirement for office? That Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, atheists, Wiccans, etc, should all be equally eligible for office?

Do you agree that the government should not favor or support any religion (or group of religions) over any other?

Do you agree that no one should be required, pressured, or encouraged to attend any religious observation or ceremony?

Do you agree that all people have the equal right to express their religion?

Do you agree that majority opinion should have no role in any expression of religion?


And last, an observation from James Madison: “Who does not see that the same authority which can establish Christianity, in exclusion of all other Religions, may establish with the same ease any particular sect of Christians, in exclusion of all other Sects? that the same authority which can force a citizen to contribute three pence only of his property for the support of any one establishment, may force him to conform to any other establishment in all cases whatsoever?”

Being that your interpretation of the article VI of our constitution is wrong, it makes all of your attempted points above mute.

Your highlighted part involves the non-discrimination of any religion's that are peaceful, and see God (the same God) as the head of their religious beliefs in which makes them compatible to that of our American culture in which had been formed with the Gospels as our guiding light, and in which had been established in our hearts, within our mind's, and has of course the same God of peace set in stone upon that forming in which we accepted from the beginning.

Of course we are to discriminate against any form of belief that endangers or is hostile towards our American beliefs in which includes our religious beliefs that we had brought with us on day one of our establishing of this nation.... Especially with such beliefs still intact. There is no separating us from our religious beliefs, our God or our country in which we have established so long ago. The attempt to do so is an attempt to seize this nation by any means nessesary, and that is unexceptable to the majority of American's to this very day I do believe.

Too simple, and vague, as I expected.
Let’s try again:
Do you agree that there should be no religious requirement for office? That Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, atheists, Wiccans, etc, should all be equally eligible for office?

Do you agree that the government should not favor or support any religion (or group of religions) over any other?

Do you agree that no one should be required, pressured, or encouraged to attend any religious observation or ceremony?

Do you agree that all people have the equal right to express their religion?

Do you agree that majority opinion should have no role in any expression of religion?


And last, an observation from James Madison: “Who does not see that the same authority which can establish Christianity, in exclusion of all other Religions, may establish with the same ease any particular sect of Christians, in exclusion of all other Sects? that the same authority which can force a citizen to contribute three pence only of his property for the support of any one establishment, may force him to conform to any other establishment in all cases whatsoever?”

Read it again, or have someone help you read it....and see if you find any religious requirement for office.


1.The battle cry of the Left…”separation of church and state.” Why? Truth is, America was founded based on the Judeo-Christian faith, the Bible being the most quoted source by our Founders. And those Founders were religious folks who saw America escaping the king as the extension of the Jews escaping Egypt.

The reason our revolution was so different from the violent, homicidal chaos of the French version was the dominant American culture was Anglo-Saxon and Christian. “52 of the 56 signers of the declaration and 50 to 52 of the 55 signers of the Constitution were orthodox Trinitarian Christians.” http://www.davidlimbaugh.com/mt/archives/2010/02/new_column_libe_4.html

They were believers in the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, or, as they would be known by Leftists today, “an extremist Fundamentalist hate group.”
Oh.....a "white" extremist Fundamentalist hate group.”



2. The fact is that as part of Western Civilization, we owe our origins to a particular combination of these doctrines: God created every human in His image and human beings are able to investigate and make rational conclusions about the world. These two ideas were born in Jerusalem and Athens, respectively.
[Ben Shapiro]

To claim that America was not created with these ideas is a terrible lie, a scheme to cheat generations of Americans who believe what government school tells them.
Nor is it an accident….it is the plan.

“Once abolish the God and the government becomes the God.” G.K. Chesterton





3. Nor is it a coincidence that the acolyte of Joseph Stalin, that would be Franklin Roosevelt, as his first Supreme Court nominee, chose KKKer Hugo Black, who wrote into jurisprudence, the infamous ‘separation of church and state’ lie. Perhaps Black never saw the motto on the back of the Great Seal…

annuit coeptis Latin. He (God) has favored our undertakings.
It is the motto, adapted from the Aeneid (IX.625), that appears
on the reverse of the Great Seal of the United States.





4. But, why subvert the faith on which this country was built?
Answer: To replace our inheritance, Genesis 1:26, individualism, with the collective.

"The abandonment of the Christian tradition that created the West's most cherished ideal [with] a radical secularism evident in Europe's indifference to God and church- created a vacuum of belief into which many pseudo-religions have poured: scientism, fascism, communism, environmentalism, multiculturalism, sheer hedonism [and Islam] - all have attempted and failed....to provide Europeans with an alternative to Christianity that can show them what is worth living and dying for."
From "Decline and Fall: Europe's Slow-Motion Suicide," by Bruce Thornton


“…will America be made better by curbing religion in the name of secularism, of vice versa?” Ben Shapiro





Any such reference?


No?


So....why did you pretend there was?

oh, should I repost my posts and ask you to tell me where I stated that you mentioned a religious requirement for office?

See, while some people who speak against the separation of Church and State do want a theocracy, or otherwise explicitly religious government, most don’t. But neither are they explicit in what they do want: what exactly eliminating separation would mean in practice.

So to determine what exactly you want in specific legal details, and which parts of the Constitution you might oppose, I have to ask your opinion on specific topics.

I note that you didn’t actually respond if you think Muslims, atheists, Hindus, Wiccans, should be allowed to run for Congress or President, or be appointed to the Supreme Court. Maybe you’re ok with it, maybe you’re not. I find it curious that you refuse to answer something fairly fundamental to Church State Separation.

Did you write this?

"Do you agree that there should be no religious requirement for office?"



Did you write this?

"I note that you didn’t actually respond if you think Muslims, atheists, Hindus, Wiccans, should be allowed to run for Congress or President, or be appointed to the Supreme Court. "



Did you read this, and, if so, how did the above come from same?


1.The battle cry of the Left…”separation of church and state.” Why? Truth is, America was founded based on the Judeo-Christian faith, the Bible being the most quoted source by our Founders. And those Founders were religious folks who saw America escaping the king as the extension of the Jews escaping Egypt.

The reason our revolution was so different from the violent, homicidal chaos of the French version was the dominant American culture was Anglo-Saxon and Christian. “52 of the 56 signers of the declaration and 50 to 52 of the 55 signers of the Constitution were orthodox Trinitarian Christians.” http://www.davidlimbaugh.com/mt/archives/2010/02/new_column_libe_4.html

They were believers in the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, or, as they would be known by Leftists today, “an extremist Fundamentalist hate group.”
Oh.....a "white" extremist Fundamentalist hate group.”



2. The fact is that as part of Western Civilization, we owe our origins to a particular combination of these doctrines: God created every human in His image and human beings are able to investigate and make rational conclusions about the world. These two ideas were born in Jerusalem and Athens, respectively.
[Ben Shapiro]

To claim that America was not created with these ideas is a terrible lie, a scheme to cheat generations of Americans who believe what government school tells them.
Nor is it an accident….it is the plan.

“Once abolish the God and the government becomes the God.” G.K. Chesterton





3. Nor is it a coincidence that the acolyte of Joseph Stalin, that would be Franklin Roosevelt, as his first Supreme Court nominee, chose KKKer Hugo Black, who wrote into jurisprudence, the infamous ‘separation of church and state’ lie. Perhaps Black never saw the motto on the back of the Great Seal…

annuit coeptis Latin. He (God) has favored our undertakings.
It is the motto, adapted from the Aeneid (IX.625), that appears
on the reverse of the Great Seal of the United States.





4. But, why subvert the faith on which this country was built?
Answer: To replace our inheritance, Genesis 1:26, individualism, with the collective.

"The abandonment of the Christian tradition that created the West's most cherished ideal [with] a radical secularism evident in Europe's indifference to God and church- created a vacuum of belief into which many pseudo-religions have poured: scientism, fascism, communism, environmentalism, multiculturalism, sheer hedonism [and Islam] - all have attempted and failed....to provide Europeans with an alternative to Christianity that can show them what is worth living and dying for."
From "Decline and Fall: Europe's Slow-Motion Suicide," by Bruce Thornton


“…will America be made better by curbing religion in the name of secularism, of vice versa?” Ben Shapiro

What part was unclear?
See, while some people who speak against the separation of Church and State do want a theocracy, or otherwise explicitly religious government, most don’t. But neither are they explicit in what they do want: what exactly eliminating separation would mean in practice.

So to determine what exactly you want in specific legal details, and which parts of the Constitution you might oppose, I have to ask your opinion on specific topics.

That flat out says you did NOT mention religious tests.

So because you didn’t say what your opinion was, how am I supposed to know? It is not possible for you not to have an opinion.

I’ m starting to think you must have a reason for not sharing that or how specifically you think minority religions should be treated.

What is unclear is why you tried to imply a bias not in evidence.

I have done no such thing. I am trying to pin down your views from the vague statements you have made. I wouldn’t ask if I thought I knew the answer.

Did you write this?

"Do you agree that there should be no religious requirement for office?"

Yes. That is a question. It means I do not know and am not assuming what the answer is. Many of the founding fathers and many people now believe there should be religious tests.

I DO NOT KNOW AND AM NOT GUESSING WHAT YOUR VIEW IS, so I ask. why do you not respond?

Did you write this?

"I note that you didn’t actually respond if you think Muslims, atheists, Hindus, Wiccans, should be allowed to run for Congress or President, or be appointed to the Supreme Court. "

Is that inaccurate? Did you respond?
At this point, after multiple refusals to answer, I have to wonder why you refuse to answer.

It is possible you just don’t like to talk specifics and are more comfortable with empty rhetoric. It is possible you don’t want to admit you oppose religious tests. It’s possible you don’t want to admit you want religious tests. It’s possible you just like playing games. It’s possible you don’t understand the question. It’s possible you’re focusing on religious tests to avoid answering the questions about the 1st amendment. It’s probable that I haven’t thought of the actual reason you won’t answer.

But it is clear that you’re not interested in explaining your views or engaging in discussion.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Being that your interpretation of the article VI of our constitution is wrong, it makes all of your attempted points above mute.

Your highlighted part involves the non-discrimination of any religion's that are peaceful, and see God (the same God) as the head of their religious beliefs in which makes them compatible to that of our American culture in which had been formed with the Gospels as our guiding light, and in which had been established in our hearts, within our mind's, and has of course the same God of peace set in stone upon that forming in which we accepted from the beginning.

Of course we are to discriminate against any form of belief that endangers or is hostile towards our American beliefs in which includes our religious beliefs that we had brought with us on day one of our establishing of this nation.... Especially with such beliefs still intact. There is no separating us from our religious beliefs, our God or our country in which we have established so long ago. The attempt to do so is an attempt to seize this nation by any means nessesary, and that is unexceptable to the majority of American's to this very day I do believe.

Read it again, or have someone help you read it....and see if you find any religious requirement for office.


1.The battle cry of the Left…”separation of church and state.” Why? Truth is, America was founded based on the Judeo-Christian faith, the Bible being the most quoted source by our Founders. And those Founders were religious folks who saw America escaping the king as the extension of the Jews escaping Egypt.

The reason our revolution was so different from the violent, homicidal chaos of the French version was the dominant American culture was Anglo-Saxon and Christian. “52 of the 56 signers of the declaration and 50 to 52 of the 55 signers of the Constitution were orthodox Trinitarian Christians.” http://www.davidlimbaugh.com/mt/archives/2010/02/new_column_libe_4.html

They were believers in the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, or, as they would be known by Leftists today, “an extremist Fundamentalist hate group.”
Oh.....a "white" extremist Fundamentalist hate group.”



2. The fact is that as part of Western Civilization, we owe our origins to a particular combination of these doctrines: God created every human in His image and human beings are able to investigate and make rational conclusions about the world. These two ideas were born in Jerusalem and Athens, respectively.
[Ben Shapiro]

To claim that America was not created with these ideas is a terrible lie, a scheme to cheat generations of Americans who believe what government school tells them.
Nor is it an accident….it is the plan.

“Once abolish the God and the government becomes the God.” G.K. Chesterton





3. Nor is it a coincidence that the acolyte of Joseph Stalin, that would be Franklin Roosevelt, as his first Supreme Court nominee, chose KKKer Hugo Black, who wrote into jurisprudence, the infamous ‘separation of church and state’ lie. Perhaps Black never saw the motto on the back of the Great Seal…

annuit coeptis Latin. He (God) has favored our undertakings.
It is the motto, adapted from the Aeneid (IX.625), that appears
on the reverse of the Great Seal of the United States.





4. But, why subvert the faith on which this country was built?
Answer: To replace our inheritance, Genesis 1:26, individualism, with the collective.

"The abandonment of the Christian tradition that created the West's most cherished ideal [with] a radical secularism evident in Europe's indifference to God and church- created a vacuum of belief into which many pseudo-religions have poured: scientism, fascism, communism, environmentalism, multiculturalism, sheer hedonism [and Islam] - all have attempted and failed....to provide Europeans with an alternative to Christianity that can show them what is worth living and dying for."
From "Decline and Fall: Europe's Slow-Motion Suicide," by Bruce Thornton


“…will America be made better by curbing religion in the name of secularism, of vice versa?” Ben Shapiro





Any such reference?


No?


So....why did you pretend there was?

oh, should I repost my posts and ask you to tell me where I stated that you mentioned a religious requirement for office?

See, while some people who speak against the separation of Church and State do want a theocracy, or otherwise explicitly religious government, most don’t. But neither are they explicit in what they do want: what exactly eliminating separation would mean in practice.

So to determine what exactly you want in specific legal details, and which parts of the Constitution you might oppose, I have to ask your opinion on specific topics.

I note that you didn’t actually respond if you think Muslims, atheists, Hindus, Wiccans, should be allowed to run for Congress or President, or be appointed to the Supreme Court. Maybe you’re ok with it, maybe you’re not. I find it curious that you refuse to answer something fairly fundamental to Church State Separation.

Did you write this?

"Do you agree that there should be no religious requirement for office?"



Did you write this?

"I note that you didn’t actually respond if you think Muslims, atheists, Hindus, Wiccans, should be allowed to run for Congress or President, or be appointed to the Supreme Court. "



Did you read this, and, if so, how did the above come from same?


1.The battle cry of the Left…”separation of church and state.” Why? Truth is, America was founded based on the Judeo-Christian faith, the Bible being the most quoted source by our Founders. And those Founders were religious folks who saw America escaping the king as the extension of the Jews escaping Egypt.

The reason our revolution was so different from the violent, homicidal chaos of the French version was the dominant American culture was Anglo-Saxon and Christian. “52 of the 56 signers of the declaration and 50 to 52 of the 55 signers of the Constitution were orthodox Trinitarian Christians.” http://www.davidlimbaugh.com/mt/archives/2010/02/new_column_libe_4.html

They were believers in the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, or, as they would be known by Leftists today, “an extremist Fundamentalist hate group.”
Oh.....a "white" extremist Fundamentalist hate group.”



2. The fact is that as part of Western Civilization, we owe our origins to a particular combination of these doctrines: God created every human in His image and human beings are able to investigate and make rational conclusions about the world. These two ideas were born in Jerusalem and Athens, respectively.
[Ben Shapiro]

To claim that America was not created with these ideas is a terrible lie, a scheme to cheat generations of Americans who believe what government school tells them.
Nor is it an accident….it is the plan.

“Once abolish the God and the government becomes the God.” G.K. Chesterton





3. Nor is it a coincidence that the acolyte of Joseph Stalin, that would be Franklin Roosevelt, as his first Supreme Court nominee, chose KKKer Hugo Black, who wrote into jurisprudence, the infamous ‘separation of church and state’ lie. Perhaps Black never saw the motto on the back of the Great Seal…

annuit coeptis Latin. He (God) has favored our undertakings.
It is the motto, adapted from the Aeneid (IX.625), that appears
on the reverse of the Great Seal of the United States.





4. But, why subvert the faith on which this country was built?
Answer: To replace our inheritance, Genesis 1:26, individualism, with the collective.

"The abandonment of the Christian tradition that created the West's most cherished ideal [with] a radical secularism evident in Europe's indifference to God and church- created a vacuum of belief into which many pseudo-religions have poured: scientism, fascism, communism, environmentalism, multiculturalism, sheer hedonism [and Islam] - all have attempted and failed....to provide Europeans with an alternative to Christianity that can show them what is worth living and dying for."
From "Decline and Fall: Europe's Slow-Motion Suicide," by Bruce Thornton


“…will America be made better by curbing religion in the name of secularism, of vice versa?” Ben Shapiro

What part was unclear?
See, while some people who speak against the separation of Church and State do want a theocracy, or otherwise explicitly religious government, most don’t. But neither are they explicit in what they do want: what exactly eliminating separation would mean in practice.

So to determine what exactly you want in specific legal details, and which parts of the Constitution you might oppose, I have to ask your opinion on specific topics.

That flat out says you did NOT mention religious tests.

So because you didn’t say what your opinion was, how am I supposed to know? It is not possible for you not to have an opinion.

I’ m starting to think you must have a reason for not sharing that or how specifically you think minority religions should be treated.

What is unclear is why you tried to imply a bias not in evidence.

I have done no such thing. I am trying to pin down your views from the vague statements you have made. I wouldn’t ask if I thought I knew the answer.

Did you write this?

"Do you agree that there should be no religious requirement for office?"

Yes. That is a question. It means I do not know and am not assuming what the answer is. Many of the founding fathers and many people now believe there should be religious tests.

I DO NOT KNOW AND AM NOT GUESSING WHAT YOUR VIEW IS, so I ask. why do you not respond?

Did you write this?

"I note that you didn’t actually respond if you think Muslims, atheists, Hindus, Wiccans, should be allowed to run for Congress or President, or be appointed to the Supreme Court. "

Is that inaccurate? Did you respond?
At this point, after multiple refusals to answer, I have to wonder why you refuse to answer.

It is possible you just don’t like to talk specifics and are more comfortable with empty rhetoric. It is possible you don’t want to admit you oppose religious tests. It’s possible you don’t want to admit you want religious tests. It’s possible you just like playing games. It’s possible you don’t understand the question. It’s possible you’re focusing on religious tests to avoid answering the questions about the 1st amendment. It’s probable that I haven’t thought of the actual reason you won’t answer.

But it is clear that you’re not interested in explaining your views or engaging in discussion.

I provided the OP, with specifics and links, yet you seem determined to change the subject.

Would that be due to the biases that I am pointing out in Leftists....is that where you're coming from?

 

[pinqy]

“So because you didn’t say what your opinion was, how am I supposed to know? It is not possible for you not to have an opinion."

You don't find my opinion herein.....or are you simply lying?


1.The battle cry of the Left…”separation of church and state.” Why? Truth is, America was founded based on the Judeo-Christian faith, the Bible being the most quoted source by our Founders. And those Founders were religious folks who saw America escaping the king as the extension of the Jews escaping Egypt.

The reason our revolution was so different from the violent, homicidal chaos of the French version was the dominant American culture was Anglo-Saxon and Christian. “52 of the 56 signers of the declaration and 50 to 52 of the 55 signers of the Constitution were orthodox Trinitarian Christians.” http://www.davidlimbaugh.com/mt/archives/2010/02/new_column_libe_4.html

They were believers in the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, or, as they would be known by Leftists today, “an extremist Fundamentalist hate group.”
Oh.....a "white" extremist Fundamentalist hate group.”



2. The fact is that as part of Western Civilization, we owe our origins to a particular combination of these doctrines: God created every human in His image and human beings are able to investigate and make rational conclusions about the world. These two ideas were born in Jerusalem and Athens, respectively.
[Ben Shapiro]

To claim that America was not created with these ideas is a terrible lie, a scheme to cheat generations of Americans who believe what government school tells them.
Nor is it an accident….it is the plan.

“Once abolish the God and the government becomes the God.” G.K. Chesterton





3. Nor is it a coincidence that the acolyte of Joseph Stalin, that would be Franklin Roosevelt, as his first Supreme Court nominee, chose KKKer Hugo Black, who wrote into jurisprudence, the infamous ‘separation of church and state’ lie. Perhaps Black never saw the motto on the back of the Great Seal…

annuit coeptis Latin. He (God) has favored our undertakings.
It is the motto, adapted from the Aeneid (IX.625), that appears
on the reverse of the Great Seal of the United States.





4. But, why subvert the faith on which this country was built?
Answer: To replace our inheritance, Genesis 1:26, individualism, with the collective.

"The abandonment of the Christian tradition that created the West's most cherished ideal [with] a radical secularism evident in Europe's indifference to God and church- created a vacuum of belief into which many pseudo-religions have poured: scientism, fascism, communism, environmentalism, multiculturalism, sheer hedonism [and Islam] - all have attempted and failed....to provide Europeans with an alternative to Christianity that can show them what is worth living and dying for."
From "Decline and Fall: Europe's Slow-Motion Suicide," by Bruce Thornton


“…will America be made better by curbing religion in the name of secularism, of vice versa?” Ben Shapiro

As you stated multiple times, nowhere in there do you mention religious tests for office. So no, clearly I could not get your opinion on that specific aspect of separation.

I will restate my questions, none of which can be answered just by reading your OP.
Without inferring your meaning, I cannot tell from the OPuour opinion on any of the following:

Do you agree that there should be no religious requirement for office? That Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, atheists, Wiccans, etc, should all be equally eligible for office?

Do you agree that the government should not favor or support any religion (or group of religions) over any other?

Do you agree that no one should be required, pressured, or encouraged to attend any religious observation or ceremony?

Do you agree that all people have the equal right to express their religion?

Do you agree that majority opinion should have no role in any expression of religion?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Being that your interpretation of the article VI of our constitution is wrong, it makes all of your attempted points above mute.

Your highlighted part involves the non-discrimination of any religion's that are peaceful, and see God (the same God) as the head of their religious beliefs in which makes them compatible to that of our American culture in which had been formed with the Gospels as our guiding light, and in which had been established in our hearts, within our mind's, and has of course the same God of peace set in stone upon that forming in which we accepted from the beginning.

Of course we are to discriminate against any form of belief that endangers or is hostile towards our American beliefs in which includes our religious beliefs that we had brought with us on day one of our establishing of this nation.... Especially with such beliefs still intact. There is no separating us from our religious beliefs, our God or our country in which we have established so long ago. The attempt to do so is an attempt to seize this nation by any means nessesary, and that is unexceptable to the majority of American's to this very day I do believe.

Read it again, or have someone help you read it....and see if you find any religious requirement for office.


1.The battle cry of the Left…”separation of church and state.” Why? Truth is, America was founded based on the Judeo-Christian faith, the Bible being the most quoted source by our Founders. And those Founders were religious folks who saw America escaping the king as the extension of the Jews escaping Egypt.

The reason our revolution was so different from the violent, homicidal chaos of the French version was the dominant American culture was Anglo-Saxon and Christian. “52 of the 56 signers of the declaration and 50 to 52 of the 55 signers of the Constitution were orthodox Trinitarian Christians.” http://www.davidlimbaugh.com/mt/archives/2010/02/new_column_libe_4.html

They were believers in the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, or, as they would be known by Leftists today, “an extremist Fundamentalist hate group.”
Oh.....a "white" extremist Fundamentalist hate group.”



2. The fact is that as part of Western Civilization, we owe our origins to a particular combination of these doctrines: God created every human in His image and human beings are able to investigate and make rational conclusions about the world. These two ideas were born in Jerusalem and Athens, respectively.
[Ben Shapiro]

To claim that America was not created with these ideas is a terrible lie, a scheme to cheat generations of Americans who believe what government school tells them.
Nor is it an accident….it is the plan.

“Once abolish the God and the government becomes the God.” G.K. Chesterton





3. Nor is it a coincidence that the acolyte of Joseph Stalin, that would be Franklin Roosevelt, as his first Supreme Court nominee, chose KKKer Hugo Black, who wrote into jurisprudence, the infamous ‘separation of church and state’ lie. Perhaps Black never saw the motto on the back of the Great Seal…

annuit coeptis Latin. He (God) has favored our undertakings.
It is the motto, adapted from the Aeneid (IX.625), that appears
on the reverse of the Great Seal of the United States.





4. But, why subvert the faith on which this country was built?
Answer: To replace our inheritance, Genesis 1:26, individualism, with the collective.

"The abandonment of the Christian tradition that created the West's most cherished ideal [with] a radical secularism evident in Europe's indifference to God and church- created a vacuum of belief into which many pseudo-religions have poured: scientism, fascism, communism, environmentalism, multiculturalism, sheer hedonism [and Islam] - all have attempted and failed....to provide Europeans with an alternative to Christianity that can show them what is worth living and dying for."
From "Decline and Fall: Europe's Slow-Motion Suicide," by Bruce Thornton


“…will America be made better by curbing religion in the name of secularism, of vice versa?” Ben Shapiro





Any such reference?


No?


So....why did you pretend there was?

oh, should I repost my posts and ask you to tell me where I stated that you mentioned a religious requirement for office?

See, while some people who speak against the separation of Church and State do want a theocracy, or otherwise explicitly religious government, most don’t. But neither are they explicit in what they do want: what exactly eliminating separation would mean in practice.

So to determine what exactly you want in specific legal details, and which parts of the Constitution you might oppose, I have to ask your opinion on specific topics.

I note that you didn’t actually respond if you think Muslims, atheists, Hindus, Wiccans, should be allowed to run for Congress or President, or be appointed to the Supreme Court. Maybe you’re ok with it, maybe you’re not. I find it curious that you refuse to answer something fairly fundamental to Church State Separation.

Did you write this?

"Do you agree that there should be no religious requirement for office?"



Did you write this?

"I note that you didn’t actually respond if you think Muslims, atheists, Hindus, Wiccans, should be allowed to run for Congress or President, or be appointed to the Supreme Court. "



Did you read this, and, if so, how did the above come from same?


1.The battle cry of the Left…”separation of church and state.” Why? Truth is, America was founded based on the Judeo-Christian faith, the Bible being the most quoted source by our Founders. And those Founders were religious folks who saw America escaping the king as the extension of the Jews escaping Egypt.

The reason our revolution was so different from the violent, homicidal chaos of the French version was the dominant American culture was Anglo-Saxon and Christian. “52 of the 56 signers of the declaration and 50 to 52 of the 55 signers of the Constitution were orthodox Trinitarian Christians.” http://www.davidlimbaugh.com/mt/archives/2010/02/new_column_libe_4.html

They were believers in the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, or, as they would be known by Leftists today, “an extremist Fundamentalist hate group.”
Oh.....a "white" extremist Fundamentalist hate group.”



2. The fact is that as part of Western Civilization, we owe our origins to a particular combination of these doctrines: God created every human in His image and human beings are able to investigate and make rational conclusions about the world. These two ideas were born in Jerusalem and Athens, respectively.
[Ben Shapiro]

To claim that America was not created with these ideas is a terrible lie, a scheme to cheat generations of Americans who believe what government school tells them.
Nor is it an accident….it is the plan.

“Once abolish the God and the government becomes the God.” G.K. Chesterton





3. Nor is it a coincidence that the acolyte of Joseph Stalin, that would be Franklin Roosevelt, as his first Supreme Court nominee, chose KKKer Hugo Black, who wrote into jurisprudence, the infamous ‘separation of church and state’ lie. Perhaps Black never saw the motto on the back of the Great Seal…

annuit coeptis Latin. He (God) has favored our undertakings.
It is the motto, adapted from the Aeneid (IX.625), that appears
on the reverse of the Great Seal of the United States.





4. But, why subvert the faith on which this country was built?
Answer: To replace our inheritance, Genesis 1:26, individualism, with the collective.

"The abandonment of the Christian tradition that created the West's most cherished ideal [with] a radical secularism evident in Europe's indifference to God and church- created a vacuum of belief into which many pseudo-religions have poured: scientism, fascism, communism, environmentalism, multiculturalism, sheer hedonism [and Islam] - all have attempted and failed....to provide Europeans with an alternative to Christianity that can show them what is worth living and dying for."
From "Decline and Fall: Europe's Slow-Motion Suicide," by Bruce Thornton


“…will America be made better by curbing religion in the name of secularism, of vice versa?” Ben Shapiro

What part was unclear?
See, while some people who speak against the separation of Church and State do want a theocracy, or otherwise explicitly religious government, most don’t. But neither are they explicit in what they do want: what exactly eliminating separation would mean in practice.

So to determine what exactly you want in specific legal details, and which parts of the Constitution you might oppose, I have to ask your opinion on specific topics.

That flat out says you did NOT mention religious tests.

So because you didn’t say what your opinion was, how am I supposed to know? It is not possible for you not to have an opinion.

I’ m starting to think you must have a reason for not sharing that or how specifically you think minority religions should be treated.

What is unclear is why you tried to imply a bias not in evidence.

I have done no such thing. I am trying to pin down your views from the vague statements you have made. I wouldn’t ask if I thought I knew the answer.

Did you write this?

"Do you agree that there should be no religious requirement for office?"

Yes. That is a question. It means I do not know and am not assuming what the answer is. Many of the founding fathers and many people now believe there should be religious tests.

I DO NOT KNOW AND AM NOT GUESSING WHAT YOUR VIEW IS, so I ask. why do you not respond?

Did you write this?

"I note that you didn’t actually respond if you think Muslims, atheists, Hindus, Wiccans, should be allowed to run for Congress or President, or be appointed to the Supreme Court. "

Is that inaccurate? Did you respond?
At this point, after multiple refusals to answer, I have to wonder why you refuse to answer.

It is possible you just don’t like to talk specifics and are more comfortable with empty rhetoric. It is possible you don’t want to admit you oppose religious tests. It’s possible you don’t want to admit you want religious tests. It’s possible you just like playing games. It’s possible you don’t understand the question. It’s possible you’re focusing on religious tests to avoid answering the questions about the 1st amendment. It’s probable that I haven’t thought of the actual reason you won’t answer.

But it is clear that you’re not interested in explaining your views or engaging in discussion.

"It is possible you just don’t like to talk specifics...."


Caught you lying, huh?


Readers will see specifics throughout....'



1.The battle cry of the Left…”separation of church and state.” Why? Truth is, America was founded based on the Judeo-Christian faith, the Bible being the most quoted source by our Founders. And those Founders were religious folks who saw America escaping the king as the extension of the Jews escaping Egypt.

The reason our revolution was so different from the violent, homicidal chaos of the French version was the dominant American culture was Anglo-Saxon and Christian. “52 of the 56 signers of the declaration and 50 to 52 of the 55 signers of the Constitution were orthodox Trinitarian Christians.” http://www.davidlimbaugh.com/mt/archives/2010/02/new_column_libe_4.html

They were believers in the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, or, as they would be known by Leftists today, “an extremist Fundamentalist hate group.”
Oh.....a "white" extremist Fundamentalist hate group.”



2. The fact is that as part of Western Civilization, we owe our origins to a particular combination of these doctrines: God created every human in His image and human beings are able to investigate and make rational conclusions about the world. These two ideas were born in Jerusalem and Athens, respectively.
[Ben Shapiro]

To claim that America was not created with these ideas is a terrible lie, a scheme to cheat generations of Americans who believe what government school tells them.
Nor is it an accident….it is the plan.

“Once abolish the God and the government becomes the God.” G.K. Chesterton





3. Nor is it a coincidence that the acolyte of Joseph Stalin, that would be Franklin Roosevelt, as his first Supreme Court nominee, chose KKKer Hugo Black, who wrote into jurisprudence, the infamous ‘separation of church and state’ lie. Perhaps Black never saw the motto on the back of the Great Seal…

annuit coeptis Latin. He (God) has favored our undertakings.
It is the motto, adapted from the Aeneid (IX.625), that appears
on the reverse of the Great Seal of the United States.





4. But, why subvert the faith on which this country was built?
Answer: To replace our inheritance, Genesis 1:26, individualism, with the collective.

"The abandonment of the Christian tradition that created the West's most cherished ideal [with] a radical secularism evident in Europe's indifference to God and church- created a vacuum of belief into which many pseudo-religions have poured: scientism, fascism, communism, environmentalism, multiculturalism, sheer hedonism [and Islam] - all have attempted and failed....to provide Europeans with an alternative to Christianity that can show them what is worth living and dying for."
From "Decline and Fall: Europe's Slow-Motion Suicide," by Bruce Thornton


“…will America be made better by curbing religion in the name of secularism, of vice versa?” Ben Shapiro





You seem awfully upset that I won't allow you to change the subject.

OP must be spot on.

Excellent.

 

[pinqy]

oh, should I repost my posts and ask you to tell me where I stated that you mentioned a religious requirement for office?

See, while some people who speak against the separation of Church and State do want a theocracy, or otherwise explicitly religious government, most don’t. But neither are they explicit in what they do want: what exactly eliminating separation would mean in practice.

So to determine what exactly you want in specific legal details, and which parts of the Constitution you might oppose, I have to ask your opinion on specific topics.

I note that you didn’t actually respond if you think Muslims, atheists, Hindus, Wiccans, should be allowed to run for Congress or President, or be appointed to the Supreme Court. Maybe you’re ok with it, maybe you’re not. I find it curious that you refuse to answer something fairly fundamental to Church State Separation.

Did you write this?

"Do you agree that there should be no religious requirement for office?"



Did you write this?

"I note that you didn’t actually respond if you think Muslims, atheists, Hindus, Wiccans, should be allowed to run for Congress or President, or be appointed to the Supreme Court. "



Did you read this, and, if so, how did the above come from same?


1.The battle cry of the Left…”separation of church and state.” Why? Truth is, America was founded based on the Judeo-Christian faith, the Bible being the most quoted source by our Founders. And those Founders were religious folks who saw America escaping the king as the extension of the Jews escaping Egypt.

The reason our revolution was so different from the violent, homicidal chaos of the French version was the dominant American culture was Anglo-Saxon and Christian. “52 of the 56 signers of the declaration and 50 to 52 of the 55 signers of the Constitution were orthodox Trinitarian Christians.” http://www.davidlimbaugh.com/mt/archives/2010/02/new_column_libe_4.html

They were believers in the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, or, as they would be known by Leftists today, “an extremist Fundamentalist hate group.”
Oh.....a "white" extremist Fundamentalist hate group.”



2. The fact is that as part of Western Civilization, we owe our origins to a particular combination of these doctrines: God created every human in His image and human beings are able to investigate and make rational conclusions about the world. These two ideas were born in Jerusalem and Athens, respectively.
[Ben Shapiro]

To claim that America was not created with these ideas is a terrible lie, a scheme to cheat generations of Americans who believe what government school tells them.
Nor is it an accident….it is the plan.

“Once abolish the God and the government becomes the God.” G.K. Chesterton





3. Nor is it a coincidence that the acolyte of Joseph Stalin, that would be Franklin Roosevelt, as his first Supreme Court nominee, chose KKKer Hugo Black, who wrote into jurisprudence, the infamous ‘separation of church and state’ lie. Perhaps Black never saw the motto on the back of the Great Seal…

annuit coeptis Latin. He (God) has favored our undertakings.
It is the motto, adapted from the Aeneid (IX.625), that appears
on the reverse of the Great Seal of the United States.





4. But, why subvert the faith on which this country was built?
Answer: To replace our inheritance, Genesis 1:26, individualism, with the collective.

"The abandonment of the Christian tradition that created the West's most cherished ideal [with] a radical secularism evident in Europe's indifference to God and church- created a vacuum of belief into which many pseudo-religions have poured: scientism, fascism, communism, environmentalism, multiculturalism, sheer hedonism [and Islam] - all have attempted and failed....to provide Europeans with an alternative to Christianity that can show them what is worth living and dying for."
From "Decline and Fall: Europe's Slow-Motion Suicide," by Bruce Thornton


“…will America be made better by curbing religion in the name of secularism, of vice versa?” Ben Shapiro

What part was unclear?
See, while some people who speak against the separation of Church and State do want a theocracy, or otherwise explicitly religious government, most don’t. But neither are they explicit in what they do want: what exactly eliminating separation would mean in practice.

So to determine what exactly you want in specific legal details, and which parts of the Constitution you might oppose, I have to ask your opinion on specific topics.

That flat out says you did NOT mention religious tests.

So because you didn’t say what your opinion was, how am I supposed to know? It is not possible for you not to have an opinion.

I’ m starting to think you must have a reason for not sharing that or how specifically you think minority religions should be treated.

What is unclear is why you tried to imply a bias not in evidence.

I have done no such thing. I am trying to pin down your views from the vague statements you have made. I wouldn’t ask if I thought I knew the answer.

Did you write this?

"Do you agree that there should be no religious requirement for office?"

Yes. That is a question. It means I do not know and am not assuming what the answer is. Many of the founding fathers and many people now believe there should be religious tests.

I DO NOT KNOW AND AM NOT GUESSING WHAT YOUR VIEW IS, so I ask. why do you not respond?

Did you write this?

"I note that you didn’t actually respond if you think Muslims, atheists, Hindus, Wiccans, should be allowed to run for Congress or President, or be appointed to the Supreme Court. "

Is that inaccurate? Did you respond?
At this point, after multiple refusals to answer, I have to wonder why you refuse to answer.

It is possible you just don’t like to talk specifics and are more comfortable with empty rhetoric. It is possible you don’t want to admit you oppose religious tests. It’s possible you don’t want to admit you want religious tests. It’s possible you just like playing games. It’s possible you don’t understand the question. It’s possible you’re focusing on religious tests to avoid answering the questions about the 1st amendment. It’s probable that I haven’t thought of the actual reason you won’t answer.

But it is clear that you’re not interested in explaining your views or engaging in discussion.

I provided the OP, with specifics and links, yet you seem determined to change the subject.

Would that be due to the biases that I am pointing out in Leftists....is that where you're coming from?

Where are the links and specifics on your personal opinions on religious tests, rights of minority religions, and government support of religion?

 

[pinqy]

oh, should I repost my posts and ask you to tell me where I stated that you mentioned a religious requirement for office?

See, while some people who speak against the separation of Church and State do want a theocracy, or otherwise explicitly religious government, most don’t. But neither are they explicit in what they do want: what exactly eliminating separation would mean in practice.

So to determine what exactly you want in specific legal details, and which parts of the Constitution you might oppose, I have to ask your opinion on specific topics.

I note that you didn’t actually respond if you think Muslims, atheists, Hindus, Wiccans, should be allowed to run for Congress or President, or be appointed to the Supreme Court. Maybe you’re ok with it, maybe you’re not. I find it curious that you refuse to answer something fairly fundamental to Church State Separation.

Did you write this?

"Do you agree that there should be no religious requirement for office?"



Did you write this?

"I note that you didn’t actually respond if you think Muslims, atheists, Hindus, Wiccans, should be allowed to run for Congress or President, or be appointed to the Supreme Court. "



Did you read this, and, if so, how did the above come from same?


1.The battle cry of the Left…”separation of church and state.” Why? Truth is, America was founded based on the Judeo-Christian faith, the Bible being the most quoted source by our Founders. And those Founders were religious folks who saw America escaping the king as the extension of the Jews escaping Egypt.

The reason our revolution was so different from the violent, homicidal chaos of the French version was the dominant American culture was Anglo-Saxon and Christian. “52 of the 56 signers of the declaration and 50 to 52 of the 55 signers of the Constitution were orthodox Trinitarian Christians.” http://www.davidlimbaugh.com/mt/archives/2010/02/new_column_libe_4.html

They were believers in the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, or, as they would be known by Leftists today, “an extremist Fundamentalist hate group.”
Oh.....a "white" extremist Fundamentalist hate group.”



2. The fact is that as part of Western Civilization, we owe our origins to a particular combination of these doctrines: God created every human in His image and human beings are able to investigate and make rational conclusions about the world. These two ideas were born in Jerusalem and Athens, respectively.
[Ben Shapiro]

To claim that America was not created with these ideas is a terrible lie, a scheme to cheat generations of Americans who believe what government school tells them.
Nor is it an accident….it is the plan.

“Once abolish the God and the government becomes the God.” G.K. Chesterton





3. Nor is it a coincidence that the acolyte of Joseph Stalin, that would be Franklin Roosevelt, as his first Supreme Court nominee, chose KKKer Hugo Black, who wrote into jurisprudence, the infamous ‘separation of church and state’ lie. Perhaps Black never saw the motto on the back of the Great Seal…

annuit coeptis Latin. He (God) has favored our undertakings.
It is the motto, adapted from the Aeneid (IX.625), that appears
on the reverse of the Great Seal of the United States.





4. But, why subvert the faith on which this country was built?
Answer: To replace our inheritance, Genesis 1:26, individualism, with the collective.

"The abandonment of the Christian tradition that created the West's most cherished ideal [with] a radical secularism evident in Europe's indifference to God and church- created a vacuum of belief into which many pseudo-religions have poured: scientism, fascism, communism, environmentalism, multiculturalism, sheer hedonism [and Islam] - all have attempted and failed....to provide Europeans with an alternative to Christianity that can show them what is worth living and dying for."
From "Decline and Fall: Europe's Slow-Motion Suicide," by Bruce Thornton


“…will America be made better by curbing religion in the name of secularism, of vice versa?” Ben Shapiro

What part was unclear?
See, while some people who speak against the separation of Church and State do want a theocracy, or otherwise explicitly religious government, most don’t. But neither are they explicit in what they do want: what exactly eliminating separation would mean in practice.

So to determine what exactly you want in specific legal details, and which parts of the Constitution you might oppose, I have to ask your opinion on specific topics.

That flat out says you did NOT mention religious tests.

So because you didn’t say what your opinion was, how am I supposed to know? It is not possible for you not to have an opinion.

I’ m starting to think you must have a reason for not sharing that or how specifically you think minority religions should be treated.

What is unclear is why you tried to imply a bias not in evidence.

I have done no such thing. I am trying to pin down your views from the vague statements you have made. I wouldn’t ask if I thought I knew the answer.

Did you write this?

"Do you agree that there should be no religious requirement for office?"

Yes. That is a question. It means I do not know and am not assuming what the answer is. Many of the founding fathers and many people now believe there should be religious tests.

I DO NOT KNOW AND AM NOT GUESSING WHAT YOUR VIEW IS, so I ask. why do you not respond?

Did you write this?

"I note that you didn’t actually respond if you think Muslims, atheists, Hindus, Wiccans, should be allowed to run for Congress or President, or be appointed to the Supreme Court. "

Is that inaccurate? Did you respond?
At this point, after multiple refusals to answer, I have to wonder why you refuse to answer.

It is possible you just don’t like to talk specifics and are more comfortable with empty rhetoric. It is possible you don’t want to admit you oppose religious tests. It’s possible you don’t want to admit you want religious tests. It’s possible you just like playing games. It’s possible you don’t understand the question. It’s possible you’re focusing on religious tests to avoid answering the questions about the 1st amendment. It’s probable that I haven’t thought of the actual reason you won’t answer.

But it is clear that you’re not interested in explaining your views or engaging in discussion.

"It is possible you just don’t like to talk specifics...."


Caught you lying, huh?


Readers will see specifics throughout....'



1.The battle cry of the Left…”separation of church and state.” Why? Truth is, America was founded based on the Judeo-Christian faith, the Bible being the most quoted source by our Founders. And those Founders were religious folks who saw America escaping the king as the extension of the Jews escaping Egypt.

The reason our revolution was so different from the violent, homicidal chaos of the French version was the dominant American culture was Anglo-Saxon and Christian. “52 of the 56 signers of the declaration and 50 to 52 of the 55 signers of the Constitution were orthodox Trinitarian Christians.” http://www.davidlimbaugh.com/mt/archives/2010/02/new_column_libe_4.html

They were believers in the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, or, as they would be known by Leftists today, “an extremist Fundamentalist hate group.”
Oh.....a "white" extremist Fundamentalist hate group.”



2. The fact is that as part of Western Civilization, we owe our origins to a particular combination of these doctrines: God created every human in His image and human beings are able to investigate and make rational conclusions about the world. These two ideas were born in Jerusalem and Athens, respectively.
[Ben Shapiro]

To claim that America was not created with these ideas is a terrible lie, a scheme to cheat generations of Americans who believe what government school tells them.
Nor is it an accident….it is the plan.

“Once abolish the God and the government becomes the God.” G.K. Chesterton





3. Nor is it a coincidence that the acolyte of Joseph Stalin, that would be Franklin Roosevelt, as his first Supreme Court nominee, chose KKKer Hugo Black, who wrote into jurisprudence, the infamous ‘separation of church and state’ lie. Perhaps Black never saw the motto on the back of the Great Seal…

annuit coeptis Latin. He (God) has favored our undertakings.
It is the motto, adapted from the Aeneid (IX.625), that appears
on the reverse of the Great Seal of the United States.





4. But, why subvert the faith on which this country was built?
Answer: To replace our inheritance, Genesis 1:26, individualism, with the collective.

"The abandonment of the Christian tradition that created the West's most cherished ideal [with] a radical secularism evident in Europe's indifference to God and church- created a vacuum of belief into which many pseudo-religions have poured: scientism, fascism, communism, environmentalism, multiculturalism, sheer hedonism [and Islam] - all have attempted and failed....to provide Europeans with an alternative to Christianity that can show them what is worth living and dying for."
From "Decline and Fall: Europe's Slow-Motion Suicide," by Bruce Thornton


“…will America be made better by curbing religion in the name of secularism, of vice versa?” Ben Shapiro





You seem awfully upset that I won't allow you to change the subject.

OP must be spot on.

Excellent.

Ok, where do you state specifically whether there should be a religious test for office? Or to what extent the government should support which version of Christianity? Or what rights minority religions should have?

Those are crucial points in the discussion of Church state separation. But you are silent on details.

And change the subject? All my posts have been about the separation of Church and state.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Did you write this?

"Do you agree that there should be no religious requirement for office?"



Did you write this?

"I note that you didn’t actually respond if you think Muslims, atheists, Hindus, Wiccans, should be allowed to run for Congress or President, or be appointed to the Supreme Court. "



Did you read this, and, if so, how did the above come from same?


1.The battle cry of the Left…”separation of church and state.” Why? Truth is, America was founded based on the Judeo-Christian faith, the Bible being the most quoted source by our Founders. And those Founders were religious folks who saw America escaping the king as the extension of the Jews escaping Egypt.

The reason our revolution was so different from the violent, homicidal chaos of the French version was the dominant American culture was Anglo-Saxon and Christian. “52 of the 56 signers of the declaration and 50 to 52 of the 55 signers of the Constitution were orthodox Trinitarian Christians.” http://www.davidlimbaugh.com/mt/archives/2010/02/new_column_libe_4.html

They were believers in the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, or, as they would be known by Leftists today, “an extremist Fundamentalist hate group.”
Oh.....a "white" extremist Fundamentalist hate group.”



2. The fact is that as part of Western Civilization, we owe our origins to a particular combination of these doctrines: God created every human in His image and human beings are able to investigate and make rational conclusions about the world. These two ideas were born in Jerusalem and Athens, respectively.
[Ben Shapiro]

To claim that America was not created with these ideas is a terrible lie, a scheme to cheat generations of Americans who believe what government school tells them.
Nor is it an accident….it is the plan.

“Once abolish the God and the government becomes the God.” G.K. Chesterton





3. Nor is it a coincidence that the acolyte of Joseph Stalin, that would be Franklin Roosevelt, as his first Supreme Court nominee, chose KKKer Hugo Black, who wrote into jurisprudence, the infamous ‘separation of church and state’ lie. Perhaps Black never saw the motto on the back of the Great Seal…

annuit coeptis Latin. He (God) has favored our undertakings.
It is the motto, adapted from the Aeneid (IX.625), that appears
on the reverse of the Great Seal of the United States.





4. But, why subvert the faith on which this country was built?
Answer: To replace our inheritance, Genesis 1:26, individualism, with the collective.

"The abandonment of the Christian tradition that created the West's most cherished ideal [with] a radical secularism evident in Europe's indifference to God and church- created a vacuum of belief into which many pseudo-religions have poured: scientism, fascism, communism, environmentalism, multiculturalism, sheer hedonism [and Islam] - all have attempted and failed....to provide Europeans with an alternative to Christianity that can show them what is worth living and dying for."
From "Decline and Fall: Europe's Slow-Motion Suicide," by Bruce Thornton


“…will America be made better by curbing religion in the name of secularism, of vice versa?” Ben Shapiro

What part was unclear?
See, while some people who speak against the separation of Church and State do want a theocracy, or otherwise explicitly religious government, most don’t. But neither are they explicit in what they do want: what exactly eliminating separation would mean in practice.

So to determine what exactly you want in specific legal details, and which parts of the Constitution you might oppose, I have to ask your opinion on specific topics.

That flat out says you did NOT mention religious tests.

So because you didn’t say what your opinion was, how am I supposed to know? It is not possible for you not to have an opinion.

I’ m starting to think you must have a reason for not sharing that or how specifically you think minority religions should be treated.

What is unclear is why you tried to imply a bias not in evidence.

I have done no such thing. I am trying to pin down your views from the vague statements you have made. I wouldn’t ask if I thought I knew the answer.

Did you write this?

"Do you agree that there should be no religious requirement for office?"

Yes. That is a question. It means I do not know and am not assuming what the answer is. Many of the founding fathers and many people now believe there should be religious tests.

I DO NOT KNOW AND AM NOT GUESSING WHAT YOUR VIEW IS, so I ask. why do you not respond?

Did you write this?

"I note that you didn’t actually respond if you think Muslims, atheists, Hindus, Wiccans, should be allowed to run for Congress or President, or be appointed to the Supreme Court. "

Is that inaccurate? Did you respond?
At this point, after multiple refusals to answer, I have to wonder why you refuse to answer.

It is possible you just don’t like to talk specifics and are more comfortable with empty rhetoric. It is possible you don’t want to admit you oppose religious tests. It’s possible you don’t want to admit you want religious tests. It’s possible you just like playing games. It’s possible you don’t understand the question. It’s possible you’re focusing on religious tests to avoid answering the questions about the 1st amendment. It’s probable that I haven’t thought of the actual reason you won’t answer.

But it is clear that you’re not interested in explaining your views or engaging in discussion.

I provided the OP, with specifics and links, yet you seem determined to change the subject.

Would that be due to the biases that I am pointing out in Leftists....is that where you're coming from?

Where are the links and specifics on your personal opinions on religious tests, rights of minority religions, and government support of religion?

Did you read this, and, if so, how did the above come from same?


1.The battle cry of the Left…”separation of church and state.” Why? Truth is, America was founded based on the Judeo-Christian faith, the Bible being the most quoted source by our Founders. And those Founders were religious folks who saw America escaping the king as the extension of the Jews escaping Egypt.

The reason our revolution was so different from the violent, homicidal chaos of the French version was the dominant American culture was Anglo-Saxon and Christian. “52 of the 56 signers of the declaration and 50 to 52 of the 55 signers of the Constitution were orthodox Trinitarian Christians.” http://www.davidlimbaugh.com/mt/archives/2010/02/new_column_libe_4.html

They were believers in the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, or, as they would be known by Leftists today, “an extremist Fundamentalist hate group.”
Oh.....a "white" extremist Fundamentalist hate group.”



2. The fact is that as part of Western Civilization, we owe our origins to a particular combination of these doctrines: God created every human in His image and human beings are able to investigate and make rational conclusions about the world. These two ideas were born in Jerusalem and Athens, respectively.
[Ben Shapiro]

To claim that America was not created with these ideas is a terrible lie, a scheme to cheat generations of Americans who believe what government school tells them.
Nor is it an accident….it is the plan.

“Once abolish the God and the government becomes the God.” G.K. Chesterton





3. Nor is it a coincidence that the acolyte of Joseph Stalin, that would be Franklin Roosevelt, as his first Supreme Court nominee, chose KKKer Hugo Black, who wrote into jurisprudence, the infamous ‘separation of church and state’ lie. Perhaps Black never saw the motto on the back of the Great Seal…

annuit coeptis Latin. He (God) has favored our undertakings.
It is the motto, adapted from the Aeneid (IX.625), that appears
on the reverse of the Great Seal of the United States.





4. But, why subvert the faith on which this country was built?
Answer: To replace our inheritance, Genesis 1:26, individualism, with the collective.

"The abandonment of the Christian tradition that created the West's most cherished ideal [with] a radical secularism evident in Europe's indifference to God and church- created a vacuum of belief into which many pseudo-religions have poured: scientism, fascism, communism, environmentalism, multiculturalism, sheer hedonism [and Islam] - all have attempted and failed....to provide Europeans with an alternative to Christianity that can show them what is worth living and dying for."
From "Decline and Fall: Europe's Slow-Motion Suicide," by Bruce Thornton


“…will America be made better by curbing religion in the name of secularism, of vice versa?” Ben Shapiro[/QUOTE]
What part was unclear?



Try as you may, it appears you are unable to find anything to dispute.


Excellent.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Did you write this?

"Do you agree that there should be no religious requirement for office?"



Did you write this?

"I note that you didn’t actually respond if you think Muslims, atheists, Hindus, Wiccans, should be allowed to run for Congress or President, or be appointed to the Supreme Court. "



Did you read this, and, if so, how did the above come from same?


1.The battle cry of the Left…”separation of church and state.” Why? Truth is, America was founded based on the Judeo-Christian faith, the Bible being the most quoted source by our Founders. And those Founders were religious folks who saw America escaping the king as the extension of the Jews escaping Egypt.

The reason our revolution was so different from the violent, homicidal chaos of the French version was the dominant American culture was Anglo-Saxon and Christian. “52 of the 56 signers of the declaration and 50 to 52 of the 55 signers of the Constitution were orthodox Trinitarian Christians.” http://www.davidlimbaugh.com/mt/archives/2010/02/new_column_libe_4.html

They were believers in the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, or, as they would be known by Leftists today, “an extremist Fundamentalist hate group.”
Oh.....a "white" extremist Fundamentalist hate group.”



2. The fact is that as part of Western Civilization, we owe our origins to a particular combination of these doctrines: God created every human in His image and human beings are able to investigate and make rational conclusions about the world. These two ideas were born in Jerusalem and Athens, respectively.
[Ben Shapiro]

To claim that America was not created with these ideas is a terrible lie, a scheme to cheat generations of Americans who believe what government school tells them.
Nor is it an accident….it is the plan.

“Once abolish the God and the government becomes the God.” G.K. Chesterton





3. Nor is it a coincidence that the acolyte of Joseph Stalin, that would be Franklin Roosevelt, as his first Supreme Court nominee, chose KKKer Hugo Black, who wrote into jurisprudence, the infamous ‘separation of church and state’ lie. Perhaps Black never saw the motto on the back of the Great Seal…

annuit coeptis Latin. He (God) has favored our undertakings.
It is the motto, adapted from the Aeneid (IX.625), that appears
on the reverse of the Great Seal of the United States.





4. But, why subvert the faith on which this country was built?
Answer: To replace our inheritance, Genesis 1:26, individualism, with the collective.

"The abandonment of the Christian tradition that created the West's most cherished ideal [with] a radical secularism evident in Europe's indifference to God and church- created a vacuum of belief into which many pseudo-religions have poured: scientism, fascism, communism, environmentalism, multiculturalism, sheer hedonism [and Islam] - all have attempted and failed....to provide Europeans with an alternative to Christianity that can show them what is worth living and dying for."
From "Decline and Fall: Europe's Slow-Motion Suicide," by Bruce Thornton


“…will America be made better by curbing religion in the name of secularism, of vice versa?” Ben Shapiro

What part was unclear?
See, while some people who speak against the separation of Church and State do want a theocracy, or otherwise explicitly religious government, most don’t. But neither are they explicit in what they do want: what exactly eliminating separation would mean in practice.

So to determine what exactly you want in specific legal details, and which parts of the Constitution you might oppose, I have to ask your opinion on specific topics.

That flat out says you did NOT mention religious tests.

So because you didn’t say what your opinion was, how am I supposed to know? It is not possible for you not to have an opinion.

I’ m starting to think you must have a reason for not sharing that or how specifically you think minority religions should be treated.

What is unclear is why you tried to imply a bias not in evidence.

I have done no such thing. I am trying to pin down your views from the vague statements you have made. I wouldn’t ask if I thought I knew the answer.

Did you write this?

"Do you agree that there should be no religious requirement for office?"

Yes. That is a question. It means I do not know and am not assuming what the answer is. Many of the founding fathers and many people now believe there should be religious tests.

I DO NOT KNOW AND AM NOT GUESSING WHAT YOUR VIEW IS, so I ask. why do you not respond?

Did you write this?

"I note that you didn’t actually respond if you think Muslims, atheists, Hindus, Wiccans, should be allowed to run for Congress or President, or be appointed to the Supreme Court. "

Is that inaccurate? Did you respond?
At this point, after multiple refusals to answer, I have to wonder why you refuse to answer.

It is possible you just don’t like to talk specifics and are more comfortable with empty rhetoric. It is possible you don’t want to admit you oppose religious tests. It’s possible you don’t want to admit you want religious tests. It’s possible you just like playing games. It’s possible you don’t understand the question. It’s possible you’re focusing on religious tests to avoid answering the questions about the 1st amendment. It’s probable that I haven’t thought of the actual reason you won’t answer.

But it is clear that you’re not interested in explaining your views or engaging in discussion.

"It is possible you just don’t like to talk specifics...."


Caught you lying, huh?


Readers will see specifics throughout....'



1.The battle cry of the Left…”separation of church and state.” Why? Truth is, America was founded based on the Judeo-Christian faith, the Bible being the most quoted source by our Founders. And those Founders were religious folks who saw America escaping the king as the extension of the Jews escaping Egypt.

The reason our revolution was so different from the violent, homicidal chaos of the French version was the dominant American culture was Anglo-Saxon and Christian. “52 of the 56 signers of the declaration and 50 to 52 of the 55 signers of the Constitution were orthodox Trinitarian Christians.” http://www.davidlimbaugh.com/mt/archives/2010/02/new_column_libe_4.html

They were believers in the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, or, as they would be known by Leftists today, “an extremist Fundamentalist hate group.”
Oh.....a "white" extremist Fundamentalist hate group.”



2. The fact is that as part of Western Civilization, we owe our origins to a particular combination of these doctrines: God created every human in His image and human beings are able to investigate and make rational conclusions about the world. These two ideas were born in Jerusalem and Athens, respectively.
[Ben Shapiro]

To claim that America was not created with these ideas is a terrible lie, a scheme to cheat generations of Americans who believe what government school tells them.
Nor is it an accident….it is the plan.

“Once abolish the God and the government becomes the God.” G.K. Chesterton





3. Nor is it a coincidence that the acolyte of Joseph Stalin, that would be Franklin Roosevelt, as his first Supreme Court nominee, chose KKKer Hugo Black, who wrote into jurisprudence, the infamous ‘separation of church and state’ lie. Perhaps Black never saw the motto on the back of the Great Seal…

annuit coeptis Latin. He (God) has favored our undertakings.
It is the motto, adapted from the Aeneid (IX.625), that appears
on the reverse of the Great Seal of the United States.





4. But, why subvert the faith on which this country was built?
Answer: To replace our inheritance, Genesis 1:26, individualism, with the collective.

"The abandonment of the Christian tradition that created the West's most cherished ideal [with] a radical secularism evident in Europe's indifference to God and church- created a vacuum of belief into which many pseudo-religions have poured: scientism, fascism, communism, environmentalism, multiculturalism, sheer hedonism [and Islam] - all have attempted and failed....to provide Europeans with an alternative to Christianity that can show them what is worth living and dying for."
From "Decline and Fall: Europe's Slow-Motion Suicide," by Bruce Thornton


“…will America be made better by curbing religion in the name of secularism, of vice versa?” Ben Shapiro





You seem awfully upset that I won't allow you to change the subject.

OP must be spot on.

Excellent.

Ok, where do you state specifically whether there should be a religious test for office? Or to what extent the government should support which version of Christianity? Or what rights minority religions should have?

Those are crucial points in the discussion of Church state separation. But you are silent on details.

And change the subject? All my posts have been about the separation of Church and state.

Why are you still trying to inject something not in the post?

Or....if it is too embarrassing to answer that, how about explaining why it is so easy to smoke out your sort of dishonesty?

Is it your hate that interferes with your ability to think clearly?

 

[pinqy]

What part was unclear?
See, while some people who speak against the separation of Church and State do want a theocracy, or otherwise explicitly religious government, most don’t. But neither are they explicit in what they do want: what exactly eliminating separation would mean in practice.

So to determine what exactly you want in specific legal details, and which parts of the Constitution you might oppose, I have to ask your opinion on specific topics.

That flat out says you did NOT mention religious tests.

So because you didn’t say what your opinion was, how am I supposed to know? It is not possible for you not to have an opinion.

I’ m starting to think you must have a reason for not sharing that or how specifically you think minority religions should be treated.

What is unclear is why you tried to imply a bias not in evidence.

I have done no such thing. I am trying to pin down your views from the vague statements you have made. I wouldn’t ask if I thought I knew the answer.

Did you write this?

"Do you agree that there should be no religious requirement for office?"

Yes. That is a question. It means I do not know and am not assuming what the answer is. Many of the founding fathers and many people now believe there should be religious tests.

I DO NOT KNOW AND AM NOT GUESSING WHAT YOUR VIEW IS, so I ask. why do you not respond?

Did you write this?

"I note that you didn’t actually respond if you think Muslims, atheists, Hindus, Wiccans, should be allowed to run for Congress or President, or be appointed to the Supreme Court. "

Is that inaccurate? Did you respond?
At this point, after multiple refusals to answer, I have to wonder why you refuse to answer.

It is possible you just don’t like to talk specifics and are more comfortable with empty rhetoric. It is possible you don’t want to admit you oppose religious tests. It’s possible you don’t want to admit you want religious tests. It’s possible you just like playing games. It’s possible you don’t understand the question. It’s possible you’re focusing on religious tests to avoid answering the questions about the 1st amendment. It’s probable that I haven’t thought of the actual reason you won’t answer.

But it is clear that you’re not interested in explaining your views or engaging in discussion.

"It is possible you just don’t like to talk specifics...."


Caught you lying, huh?


Readers will see specifics throughout....'



1.The battle cry of the Left…”separation of church and state.” Why? Truth is, America was founded based on the Judeo-Christian faith, the Bible being the most quoted source by our Founders. And those Founders were religious folks who saw America escaping the king as the extension of the Jews escaping Egypt.

The reason our revolution was so different from the violent, homicidal chaos of the French version was the dominant American culture was Anglo-Saxon and Christian. “52 of the 56 signers of the declaration and 50 to 52 of the 55 signers of the Constitution were orthodox Trinitarian Christians.” http://www.davidlimbaugh.com/mt/archives/2010/02/new_column_libe_4.html

They were believers in the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, or, as they would be known by Leftists today, “an extremist Fundamentalist hate group.”
Oh.....a "white" extremist Fundamentalist hate group.”



2. The fact is that as part of Western Civilization, we owe our origins to a particular combination of these doctrines: God created every human in His image and human beings are able to investigate and make rational conclusions about the world. These two ideas were born in Jerusalem and Athens, respectively.
[Ben Shapiro]

To claim that America was not created with these ideas is a terrible lie, a scheme to cheat generations of Americans who believe what government school tells them.
Nor is it an accident….it is the plan.

“Once abolish the God and the government becomes the God.” G.K. Chesterton





3. Nor is it a coincidence that the acolyte of Joseph Stalin, that would be Franklin Roosevelt, as his first Supreme Court nominee, chose KKKer Hugo Black, who wrote into jurisprudence, the infamous ‘separation of church and state’ lie. Perhaps Black never saw the motto on the back of the Great Seal…

annuit coeptis Latin. He (God) has favored our undertakings.
It is the motto, adapted from the Aeneid (IX.625), that appears
on the reverse of the Great Seal of the United States.





4. But, why subvert the faith on which this country was built?
Answer: To replace our inheritance, Genesis 1:26, individualism, with the collective.

"The abandonment of the Christian tradition that created the West's most cherished ideal [with] a radical secularism evident in Europe's indifference to God and church- created a vacuum of belief into which many pseudo-religions have poured: scientism, fascism, communism, environmentalism, multiculturalism, sheer hedonism [and Islam] - all have attempted and failed....to provide Europeans with an alternative to Christianity that can show them what is worth living and dying for."
From "Decline and Fall: Europe's Slow-Motion Suicide," by Bruce Thornton


“…will America be made better by curbing religion in the name of secularism, of vice versa?” Ben Shapiro





You seem awfully upset that I won't allow you to change the subject.

OP must be spot on.

Excellent.

Ok, where do you state specifically whether there should be a religious test for office? Or to what extent the government should support which version of Christianity? Or what rights minority religions should have?

Those are crucial points in the discussion of Church state separation. But you are silent on details.

And change the subject? All my posts have been about the separation of Church and state.

Why are you still trying to inject something not in the post?

Why am I asking questions about aspects and specifics of your ideas about separation of Church and State that are not in the OP?

Because they are not in the OP.

Do you not understand what a discussion is?

Or....if it is too embarrassing to answer that, how about explaining why it is so easy to smoke out your sort of dishonesty?

Have I claimed you said something you didn’t? Nope.

Have I claimed I know anything about your beliefs beyond what you have specifically said? Nope.

Have I ascribed hidden motivations to you? Nope

Then what dishonesty do you think you have smoked out?

Is it your hate that interferes with your ability to think clearly?

Where have I expressed hate?

 

[pinqy]

What part was unclear?
See, while some people who speak against the separation of Church and State do want a theocracy, or otherwise explicitly religious government, most don’t. But neither are they explicit in what they do want: what exactly eliminating separation would mean in practice.

So to determine what exactly you want in specific legal details, and which parts of the Constitution you might oppose, I have to ask your opinion on specific topics.

That flat out says you did NOT mention religious tests.

So because you didn’t say what your opinion was, how am I supposed to know? It is not possible for you not to have an opinion.

I’ m starting to think you must have a reason for not sharing that or how specifically you think minority religions should be treated.

What is unclear is why you tried to imply a bias not in evidence.

I have done no such thing. I am trying to pin down your views from the vague statements you have made. I wouldn’t ask if I thought I knew the answer.

Did you write this?

"Do you agree that there should be no religious requirement for office?"

Yes. That is a question. It means I do not know and am not assuming what the answer is. Many of the founding fathers and many people now believe there should be religious tests.

I DO NOT KNOW AND AM NOT GUESSING WHAT YOUR VIEW IS, so I ask. why do you not respond?

Did you write this?

"I note that you didn’t actually respond if you think Muslims, atheists, Hindus, Wiccans, should be allowed to run for Congress or President, or be appointed to the Supreme Court. "

Is that inaccurate? Did you respond?
At this point, after multiple refusals to answer, I have to wonder why you refuse to answer.

It is possible you just don’t like to talk specifics and are more comfortable with empty rhetoric. It is possible you don’t want to admit you oppose religious tests. It’s possible you don’t want to admit you want religious tests. It’s possible you just like playing games. It’s possible you don’t understand the question. It’s possible you’re focusing on religious tests to avoid answering the questions about the 1st amendment. It’s probable that I haven’t thought of the actual reason you won’t answer.

But it is clear that you’re not interested in explaining your views or engaging in discussion.

I provided the OP, with specifics and links, yet you seem determined to change the subject.

Would that be due to the biases that I am pointing out in Leftists....is that where you're coming from?

Where are the links and specifics on your personal opinions on religious tests, rights of minority religions, and government support of religion?

Did you read this, and, if so, how did the above come from same?


1.The battle cry of the Left…”separation of church and state.” Why? Truth is, America was founded based on the Judeo-Christian faith, the Bible being the most quoted source by our Founders. And those Founders were religious folks who saw America escaping the king as the extension of the Jews escaping Egypt.

The reason our revolution was so different from the violent, homicidal chaos of the French version was the dominant American culture was Anglo-Saxon and Christian. “52 of the 56 signers of the declaration and 50 to 52 of the 55 signers of the Constitution were orthodox Trinitarian Christians.” http://www.davidlimbaugh.com/mt/archives/2010/02/new_column_libe_4.html

They were believers in the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, or, as they would be known by Leftists today, “an extremist Fundamentalist hate group.”
Oh.....a "white" extremist Fundamentalist hate group.”



2. The fact is that as part of Western Civilization, we owe our origins to a particular combination of these doctrines: God created every human in His image and human beings are able to investigate and make rational conclusions about the world. These two ideas were born in Jerusalem and Athens, respectively.
[Ben Shapiro]

To claim that America was not created with these ideas is a terrible lie, a scheme to cheat generations of Americans who believe what government school tells them.
Nor is it an accident….it is the plan.

“Once abolish the God and the government becomes the God.” G.K. Chesterton





3. Nor is it a coincidence that the acolyte of Joseph Stalin, that would be Franklin Roosevelt, as his first Supreme Court nominee, chose KKKer Hugo Black, who wrote into jurisprudence, the infamous ‘separation of church and state’ lie. Perhaps Black never saw the motto on the back of the Great Seal…

annuit coeptis Latin. He (God) has favored our undertakings.
It is the motto, adapted from the Aeneid (IX.625), that appears
on the reverse of the Great Seal of the United States.





4. But, why subvert the faith on which this country was built?
Answer: To replace our inheritance, Genesis 1:26, individualism, with the collective.

"The abandonment of the Christian tradition that created the West's most cherished ideal [with] a radical secularism evident in Europe's indifference to God and church- created a vacuum of belief into which many pseudo-religions have poured: scientism, fascism, communism, environmentalism, multiculturalism, sheer hedonism [and Islam] - all have attempted and failed....to provide Europeans with an alternative to Christianity that can show them what is worth living and dying for."
From "Decline and Fall: Europe's Slow-Motion Suicide," by Bruce Thornton


“…will America be made better by curbing religion in the name of secularism, of vice versa?” Ben Shapiro

What part was unclear?



Try as you may, it appears you are unable to find anything to dispute.


Excellent.[/QUOTE]
How have I tried to dispute anything in the OP?
I do not wish to at this time.
Right now I am trying to discover (unsuccessful ly) what you think the specific legal relationship between the government should be. You do not address that in the OP, so there’s no need to repost it...it just clutters up the thread.

I asked questions about specific aspects of Church State relations that you do not address in the OP. What’s your issue with answering them? You clearly don’t want to, but without guessing at your motives, we can’t know why.

I assume you don’t want me guessing at your motives or making up some hidden agenda.

 

[beagle9]

Now....focus like a laser, junior

What does this have to do with anything in the thread?

Was your thread not about Separation of Church and State?

If this is your attempt to support Leftist, atheism or anti-Americanism.....you've failed miserably.

You were objecting to the concept of Church State separation.

The concept of this separation was specifically based on the Establishment Clause, but reasonably also can refer to Article VI and the Free Exercise Clause If the 1A, and the incorporation If the establishment and free exercise clauses by Amendment XIV.

Therefore, if you object to the concept of Church State Separation you must also object to the laws that establish the Walk of Separation.

Is that simple enough for you?

There never was any basis for separating our founding based on the Judeo-Christian concepts and faith from governance.


It was presented to allow Babeuf's and Marx's and Hegel's view of the primacy of government over the God-given rights of the individual.


Free exercise of any or no religion has nothing....nothing.....to do with the bogus restrictions of separation of church and state.

Is that simple enough for you?

Too simple, and vague, as I expected.
Let’s try again:
Do you agree that there should be no religious requirement for office? That Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, atheists, Wiccans, etc, should all be equally eligible for office?

Do you agree that the government should not favor or support any religion (or group of religions) over any other?

Do you agree that no one should be required, pressured, or encouraged to attend any religious observation or ceremony?

Do you agree that all people have the equal right to express their religion?

Do you agree that majority opinion should have no role in any expression of religion?


And last, an observation from James Madison: “Who does not see that the same authority which can establish Christianity, in exclusion of all other Religions, may establish with the same ease any particular sect of Christians, in exclusion of all other Sects? that the same authority which can force a citizen to contribute three pence only of his property for the support of any one establishment, may force him to conform to any other establishment in all cases whatsoever?”

Being that your interpretation of the article VI of our constitution is wrong, it makes all of your attempted points above mute.

Your highlighted part involves the non-discrimination of any religion's that are peaceful, and see God (the same God) as the head of their religious beliefs in which makes them compatible to that of our American culture in which had been formed with the Gospels as our guiding light, and in which had been established in our hearts, within our mind's, and has of course the same God of peace set in stone upon that forming in which we accepted from the beginning.

Of course we are to discriminate against any form of belief that endangers or is hostile towards our American beliefs in which includes our religious beliefs that we had brought with us on day one of our establishing of this nation.... Especially with such beliefs still intact. There is no separating us from our religious beliefs, our God or our country in which we have established so long ago. The attempt to do so is an attempt to seize this nation by any means nessesary, and that is unexceptable to the majority of American's to this very day I do believe.

Now....focus like a laser, junior

What does this have to do with anything in the thread?

Was your thread not about Separation of Church and State?

If this is your attempt to support Leftist, atheism or anti-Americanism.....you've failed miserably.

You were objecting to the concept of Church State separation.

The concept of this separation was specifically based on the Establishment Clause, but reasonably also can refer to Article VI and the Free Exercise Clause If the 1A, and the incorporation If the establishment and free exercise clauses by Amendment XIV.

Therefore, if you object to the concept of Church State Separation you must also object to the laws that establish the Walk of Separation.

Is that simple enough for you?

There never was any basis for separating our founding based on the Judeo-Christian concepts and faith from governance.


It was presented to allow Babeuf's and Marx's and Hegel's view of the primacy of government over the God-given rights of the individual.


Free exercise of any or no religion has nothing....nothing.....to do with the bogus restrictions of separation of church and state.

Is that simple enough for you?

Too simple, and vague, as I expected.
Let’s try again:
Do you agree that there should be no religious requirement for office? That Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, atheists, Wiccans, etc, should all be equally eligible for office?

Do you agree that the government should not favor or support any religion (or group of religions) over any other?

Do you agree that no one should be required, pressured, or encouraged to attend any religious observation or ceremony?

Do you agree that all people have the equal right to express their religion?

Do you agree that majority opinion should have no role in any expression of religion?


And last, an observation from James Madison: “Who does not see that the same authority which can establish Christianity, in exclusion of all other Religions, may establish with the same ease any particular sect of Christians, in exclusion of all other Sects? that the same authority which can force a citizen to contribute three pence only of his property for the support of any one establishment, may force him to conform to any other establishment in all cases whatsoever?”

Read it again, or have someone help you read it....and see if you find any religious requirement for office.


1.The battle cry of the Left…”separation of church and state.” Why? Truth is, America was founded based on the Judeo-Christian faith, the Bible being the most quoted source by our Founders. And those Founders were religious folks who saw America escaping the king as the extension of the Jews escaping Egypt.

The reason our revolution was so different from the violent, homicidal chaos of the French version was the dominant American culture was Anglo-Saxon and Christian. “52 of the 56 signers of the declaration and 50 to 52 of the 55 signers of the Constitution were orthodox Trinitarian Christians.” http://www.davidlimbaugh.com/mt/archives/2010/02/new_column_libe_4.html

They were believers in the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, or, as they would be known by Leftists today, “an extremist Fundamentalist hate group.”
Oh.....a "white" extremist Fundamentalist hate group.”



2. The fact is that as part of Western Civilization, we owe our origins to a particular combination of these doctrines: God created every human in His image and human beings are able to investigate and make rational conclusions about the world. These two ideas were born in Jerusalem and Athens, respectively.
[Ben Shapiro]

To claim that America was not created with these ideas is a terrible lie, a scheme to cheat generations of Americans who believe what government school tells them.
Nor is it an accident….it is the plan.

“Once abolish the God and the government becomes the God.” G.K. Chesterton





3. Nor is it a coincidence that the acolyte of Joseph Stalin, that would be Franklin Roosevelt, as his first Supreme Court nominee, chose KKKer Hugo Black, who wrote into jurisprudence, the infamous ‘separation of church and state’ lie. Perhaps Black never saw the motto on the back of the Great Seal…

annuit coeptis Latin. He (God) has favored our undertakings.
It is the motto, adapted from the Aeneid (IX.625), that appears
on the reverse of the Great Seal of the United States.





4. But, why subvert the faith on which this country was built?
Answer: To replace our inheritance, Genesis 1:26, individualism, with the collective.

"The abandonment of the Christian tradition that created the West's most cherished ideal [with] a radical secularism evident in Europe's indifference to God and church- created a vacuum of belief into which many pseudo-religions have poured: scientism, fascism, communism, environmentalism, multiculturalism, sheer hedonism [and Islam] - all have attempted and failed....to provide Europeans with an alternative to Christianity that can show them what is worth living and dying for."
From "Decline and Fall: Europe's Slow-Motion Suicide," by Bruce Thornton


“…will America be made better by curbing religion in the name of secularism, of vice versa?” Ben Shapiro





Any such reference?


No?


So....why did you pretend there was?

oh, should I repost my posts and ask you to tell me where I stated that you mentioned a religious requirement for office?

See, while some people who speak against the separation of Church and State do want a theocracy, or otherwise explicitly religious government, most don’t. But neither are they explicit in what they do want: what exactly eliminating separation would mean in practice.

So to determine what exactly you want in specific legal details, and which parts of the Constitution you might oppose, I have to ask your opinion on specific topics.

I note that you didn’t actually respond if you think Muslims, atheists, Hindus, Wiccans, should be allowed to run for Congress or President, or be appointed to the Supreme Court. Maybe you’re ok with it, maybe you’re not. I find it curious that you refuse to answer something fairly fundamental to Church State Separation.

Any belief system that is hostile towards Christianity in this nation that has always embraced Christianity, shouldn't be allowed to run for any powerful position in our government. It is that they would then attempt to turn the power of government against the Christian religion, otherwise in regards to lifting their own ideology or religion above the Christian religion in a bid to wipe it out or in an attempt to destroy it completely. Not going to happen this time.

 

[PoliticalChic]

What is unclear is why you tried to imply a bias not in evidence.

I have done no such thing. I am trying to pin down your views from the vague statements you have made. I wouldn’t ask if I thought I knew the answer.

Did you write this?

"Do you agree that there should be no religious requirement for office?"

Yes. That is a question. It means I do not know and am not assuming what the answer is. Many of the founding fathers and many people now believe there should be religious tests.

I DO NOT KNOW AND AM NOT GUESSING WHAT YOUR VIEW IS, so I ask. why do you not respond?

Did you write this?

"I note that you didn’t actually respond if you think Muslims, atheists, Hindus, Wiccans, should be allowed to run for Congress or President, or be appointed to the Supreme Court. "

Is that inaccurate? Did you respond?
At this point, after multiple refusals to answer, I have to wonder why you refuse to answer.

It is possible you just don’t like to talk specifics and are more comfortable with empty rhetoric. It is possible you don’t want to admit you oppose religious tests. It’s possible you don’t want to admit you want religious tests. It’s possible you just like playing games. It’s possible you don’t understand the question. It’s possible you’re focusing on religious tests to avoid answering the questions about the 1st amendment. It’s probable that I haven’t thought of the actual reason you won’t answer.

But it is clear that you’re not interested in explaining your views or engaging in discussion.

"It is possible you just don’t like to talk specifics...."


Caught you lying, huh?


Readers will see specifics throughout....'



1.The battle cry of the Left…”separation of church and state.” Why? Truth is, America was founded based on the Judeo-Christian faith, the Bible being the most quoted source by our Founders. And those Founders were religious folks who saw America escaping the king as the extension of the Jews escaping Egypt.

The reason our revolution was so different from the violent, homicidal chaos of the French version was the dominant American culture was Anglo-Saxon and Christian. “52 of the 56 signers of the declaration and 50 to 52 of the 55 signers of the Constitution were orthodox Trinitarian Christians.” http://www.davidlimbaugh.com/mt/archives/2010/02/new_column_libe_4.html

They were believers in the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, or, as they would be known by Leftists today, “an extremist Fundamentalist hate group.”
Oh.....a "white" extremist Fundamentalist hate group.”



2. The fact is that as part of Western Civilization, we owe our origins to a particular combination of these doctrines: God created every human in His image and human beings are able to investigate and make rational conclusions about the world. These two ideas were born in Jerusalem and Athens, respectively.
[Ben Shapiro]

To claim that America was not created with these ideas is a terrible lie, a scheme to cheat generations of Americans who believe what government school tells them.
Nor is it an accident….it is the plan.

“Once abolish the God and the government becomes the God.” G.K. Chesterton





3. Nor is it a coincidence that the acolyte of Joseph Stalin, that would be Franklin Roosevelt, as his first Supreme Court nominee, chose KKKer Hugo Black, who wrote into jurisprudence, the infamous ‘separation of church and state’ lie. Perhaps Black never saw the motto on the back of the Great Seal…

annuit coeptis Latin. He (God) has favored our undertakings.
It is the motto, adapted from the Aeneid (IX.625), that appears
on the reverse of the Great Seal of the United States.





4. But, why subvert the faith on which this country was built?
Answer: To replace our inheritance, Genesis 1:26, individualism, with the collective.

"The abandonment of the Christian tradition that created the West's most cherished ideal [with] a radical secularism evident in Europe's indifference to God and church- created a vacuum of belief into which many pseudo-religions have poured: scientism, fascism, communism, environmentalism, multiculturalism, sheer hedonism [and Islam] - all have attempted and failed....to provide Europeans with an alternative to Christianity that can show them what is worth living and dying for."
From "Decline and Fall: Europe's Slow-Motion Suicide," by Bruce Thornton


“…will America be made better by curbing religion in the name of secularism, of vice versa?” Ben Shapiro





You seem awfully upset that I won't allow you to change the subject.

OP must be spot on.

Excellent.

Ok, where do you state specifically whether there should be a religious test for office? Or to what extent the government should support which version of Christianity? Or what rights minority religions should have?

Those are crucial points in the discussion of Church state separation. But you are silent on details.

And change the subject? All my posts have been about the separation of Church and state.

Why are you still trying to inject something not in the post?

Why am I asking questions about aspects and specifics of your ideas about separation of Church and State that are not in the OP?

Because they are not in the OP.

Do you not understand what a discussion is?

Or....if it is too embarrassing to answer that, how about explaining why it is so easy to smoke out your sort of dishonesty?

Have I claimed you said something you didn’t? Nope.

Have I claimed I know anything about your beliefs beyond what you have specifically said? Nope.

Have I ascribed hidden motivations to you? Nope

Then what dishonesty do you think you have smoked out?

Is it your hate that interferes with your ability to think clearly?

Where have I expressed hate?

So.....not a single item in the OP with which you can find a way to disagree???


Not a one????


Excellent.

 

[PoliticalChic]

What is unclear is why you tried to imply a bias not in evidence.

I have done no such thing. I am trying to pin down your views from the vague statements you have made. I wouldn’t ask if I thought I knew the answer.

Did you write this?

"Do you agree that there should be no religious requirement for office?"

Yes. That is a question. It means I do not know and am not assuming what the answer is. Many of the founding fathers and many people now believe there should be religious tests.

I DO NOT KNOW AND AM NOT GUESSING WHAT YOUR VIEW IS, so I ask. why do you not respond?

Did you write this?

"I note that you didn’t actually respond if you think Muslims, atheists, Hindus, Wiccans, should be allowed to run for Congress or President, or be appointed to the Supreme Court. "

Is that inaccurate? Did you respond?
At this point, after multiple refusals to answer, I have to wonder why you refuse to answer.

It is possible you just don’t like to talk specifics and are more comfortable with empty rhetoric. It is possible you don’t want to admit you oppose religious tests. It’s possible you don’t want to admit you want religious tests. It’s possible you just like playing games. It’s possible you don’t understand the question. It’s possible you’re focusing on religious tests to avoid answering the questions about the 1st amendment. It’s probable that I haven’t thought of the actual reason you won’t answer.

But it is clear that you’re not interested in explaining your views or engaging in discussion.

I provided the OP, with specifics and links, yet you seem determined to change the subject.

Would that be due to the biases that I am pointing out in Leftists....is that where you're coming from?

Where are the links and specifics on your personal opinions on religious tests, rights of minority religions, and government support of religion?

Did you read this, and, if so, how did the above come from same?


1.The battle cry of the Left…”separation of church and state.” Why? Truth is, America was founded based on the Judeo-Christian faith, the Bible being the most quoted source by our Founders. And those Founders were religious folks who saw America escaping the king as the extension of the Jews escaping Egypt.

The reason our revolution was so different from the violent, homicidal chaos of the French version was the dominant American culture was Anglo-Saxon and Christian. “52 of the 56 signers of the declaration and 50 to 52 of the 55 signers of the Constitution were orthodox Trinitarian Christians.” http://www.davidlimbaugh.com/mt/archives/2010/02/new_column_libe_4.html

They were believers in the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, or, as they would be known by Leftists today, “an extremist Fundamentalist hate group.”
Oh.....a "white" extremist Fundamentalist hate group.”



2. The fact is that as part of Western Civilization, we owe our origins to a particular combination of these doctrines: God created every human in His image and human beings are able to investigate and make rational conclusions about the world. These two ideas were born in Jerusalem and Athens, respectively.
[Ben Shapiro]

To claim that America was not created with these ideas is a terrible lie, a scheme to cheat generations of Americans who believe what government school tells them.
Nor is it an accident….it is the plan.

“Once abolish the God and the government becomes the God.” G.K. Chesterton





3. Nor is it a coincidence that the acolyte of Joseph Stalin, that would be Franklin Roosevelt, as his first Supreme Court nominee, chose KKKer Hugo Black, who wrote into jurisprudence, the infamous ‘separation of church and state’ lie. Perhaps Black never saw the motto on the back of the Great Seal…

annuit coeptis Latin. He (God) has favored our undertakings.
It is the motto, adapted from the Aeneid (IX.625), that appears
on the reverse of the Great Seal of the United States.





4. But, why subvert the faith on which this country was built?
Answer: To replace our inheritance, Genesis 1:26, individualism, with the collective.

"The abandonment of the Christian tradition that created the West's most cherished ideal [with] a radical secularism evident in Europe's indifference to God and church- created a vacuum of belief into which many pseudo-religions have poured: scientism, fascism, communism, environmentalism, multiculturalism, sheer hedonism [and Islam] - all have attempted and failed....to provide Europeans with an alternative to Christianity that can show them what is worth living and dying for."
From "Decline and Fall: Europe's Slow-Motion Suicide," by Bruce Thornton


“…will America be made better by curbing religion in the name of secularism, of vice versa?” Ben Shapiro

What part was unclear?



Try as you may, it appears you are unable to find anything to dispute.


Excellent.

How have I tried to dispute anything in the OP?
I do not wish to at this time.
Right now I am trying to discover (unsuccessful ly) what you think the specific legal relationship between the government should be. You do not address that in the OP, so there’s no need to repost it...it just clutters up the thread.

I asked questions about specific aspects of Church State relations that you do not address in the OP. What’s your issue with answering them? You clearly don’t want to, but without guessing at your motives, we can’t know why.

I assume you don’t want me guessing at your motives or making up some hidden agenda.[/QUOTE]



"What part was unclear?"

Why would you write that???

I never said that.


But....if you'd like to try again.....no prob.


1.The battle cry of the Left…”separation of church and state.” Why? Truth is, America was founded based on the Judeo-Christian faith, the Bible being the most quoted source by our Founders. And those Founders were religious folks who saw America escaping the king as the extension of the Jews escaping Egypt.

The reason our revolution was so different from the violent, homicidal chaos of the French version was the dominant American culture was Anglo-Saxon and Christian. “52 of the 56 signers of the declaration and 50 to 52 of the 55 signers of the Constitution were orthodox Trinitarian Christians.” http://www.davidlimbaugh.com/mt/archives/2010/02/new_column_libe_4.html

They were believers in the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, or, as they would be known by Leftists today, “an extremist Fundamentalist hate group.”
Oh.....a "white" extremist Fundamentalist hate group.”



2. The fact is that as part of Western Civilization, we owe our origins to a particular combination of these doctrines: God created every human in His image and human beings are able to investigate and make rational conclusions about the world. These two ideas were born in Jerusalem and Athens, respectively.
[Ben Shapiro]

To claim that America was not created with these ideas is a terrible lie, a scheme to cheat generations of Americans who believe what government school tells them.
Nor is it an accident….it is the plan.

“Once abolish the God and the government becomes the God.” G.K. Chesterton





3. Nor is it a coincidence that the acolyte of Joseph Stalin, that would be Franklin Roosevelt, as his first Supreme Court nominee, chose KKKer Hugo Black, who wrote into jurisprudence, the infamous ‘separation of church and state’ lie. Perhaps Black never saw the motto on the back of the Great Seal…

annuit coeptis Latin. He (God) has favored our undertakings.
It is the motto, adapted from the Aeneid (IX.625), that appears
on the reverse of the Great Seal of the United States.





4. But, why subvert the faith on which this country was built?
Answer: To replace our inheritance, Genesis 1:26, individualism, with the collective.

"The abandonment of the Christian tradition that created the West's most cherished ideal [with] a radical secularism evident in Europe's indifference to God and church- created a vacuum of belief into which many pseudo-religions have poured: scientism, fascism, communism, environmentalism, multiculturalism, sheer hedonism [and Islam] - all have attempted and failed....to provide Europeans with an alternative to Christianity that can show them what is worth living and dying for."
From "Decline and Fall: Europe's Slow-Motion Suicide," by Bruce Thornton


“…will America be made better by curbing religion in the name of secularism, of vice versa?” Ben Shapiro




Any mistakes?

Any errors?

Difficult for you to understand?


No?

Must be something about the concepts that are so upsetting to one of your ilk.