COVID is just like the flu.

[Rigby5]

Rigby is an idiot.

Had we done nothing two million Americans (or more )would have died.

That is a lie.
The 2.4 million death calculation was totally wrong because only the very sick with covid were being tested, so they got the lethality about a factor of 100 too high. The vast majority infected were asymptomatic, but not tested or counted.
That also means far more people already had inherent immunity than they realized, with as many as 50% being inherently immune, like those under 18.
Finally, the difference in death risk between those under 38 and those over 70 is a factor of 400, so by deliberately infecting volunteers under 40, we could have ended this epidemic last March, with only 60,000 deaths total.

Not really.

Someone who is asymptomatic may not be immune. Someone who's had the coronavirus may not be immune. We know of people who've had it at least twice.

The vaccine doesn't make someone immune either.

Someone who is asymptomatic can spread the virus. This is something quite scary, because if you end up with a virus that can do massive damage and loads of people are asymptomatic now, but maybe not in the future.....

Wrong.
Being asymptomatic means your immune system is familiar with the virus and can handle it efficiently.
That IS the definition of immunity.
Clearly you do not know what immunity is, because immunity does NOT at all mean you can't get re-infected.
Of course you can.
Immunity can NEVER prevent reinfection.
That would require magic.
Immunity means your immune system is efficient at attacking the infection, but it does not even START to produce the needed antibodies until AFER the infection is large enough to have been detected.
And yes, vaccines do convey immunity.
That just does not and can not prevent infection.

And while it is true an asymptomatic could possibly spread infection, that is so little probability that is can be ignored.
Spread is almost entirely dependent upon coughing or sneezing, which obviously asymptomatic do not do.

 

[Lesh]

Spread is almost entirely dependent upon coughing or sneezing, which obviously asymptomatic do not do.

No one coughs or sneezes unless they have covid?

Please STFU

 

[Rigby5]

Spread is almost entirely dependent upon coughing or sneezing, which obviously asymptomatic do not do.

No one coughs or sneezes unless they have covid?

Please STFU

No, obviously what I said is that even if a person is infected with covid-19, they likely are NOT going to spread it unless they cough or sneeze, and the whole point of asymptomatic being asymptomatic is that they are NOT coughing or sneezing.
If they were coughing or sneezing from the infection, then they would be symptomatic.
So asymptomatic rarely spread infection, and when they do, it is by hand contact.

 

[Lesh]

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[Lesh]

Spread is almost entirely dependent upon coughing or sneezing, which obviously asymptomatic do not do.

No one coughs or sneezes unless they have covid?

Please STFU

No, obviously what I said is that even if a person is infected with covid-19, they likely are NOT going to spread it unless they cough or sneeze, and the whole point of asymptomatic being asymptomatic is that they are NOT coughing or sneezing.
If they were coughing or sneezing from the infection, then they would be symptomatic.
So asymptomatic rarely spread infection, and when they do, it is by hand contact.

You idiot.

People cough and sneeze all the time whether they have covid or not. If they are asymptomtic they spew virus.

How stupid are you?

 

[frigidweirdo]

Remember when that was one of the WH talking points in the early stages of the pandemic? No reason to panic. COVID will go away when the weather gets warm. It's all under control.

Turns out, they were wrong..........in too many ways to discuss. One of the more demonstrably provable things they were wrong about was the comparison to the flu.

We wiped out the flu this year. Could we do it again?

That's what happens to influenza type viruses when people wear masks and practice social distancing. Unfortunately, COVID is a highly transmissible virus. More so than the regular flu.

The point being the COVID protocols dismissed as ineffective, infringements on freedom, a waste of time by conservatives.........they work. And if we had not implemented them, if we had not locked down the economy for a while, the infection rate and death toll would be far worse than it is.

My whole family including my 80 year old mother caught it, the flu is worse.

This is a "it's not raining here, so it's not raining anywhere" argument.

No, its not.
That is because we know what has caused all the deaths, and not a one was actually caused by the virus.
Each and every death was caused by caused by an over reaction by the immune system, the cytokine storm.
And that is easily treated or prevented.
So every death was avoidable.

Its like you check every place where the ground is wet, and you find a blimp leaking water.
So then you know it is not rain.

It's like saying you don't get killed by the bull stabbing you with its horns, you die from organ failure.

I'd assume if a country were willing to spend massive amounts of money, everything would be preventable.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Rigby is an idiot.

Had we done nothing two million Americans (or more )would have died.

That is a lie.
The 2.4 million death calculation was totally wrong because only the very sick with covid were being tested, so they got the lethality about a factor of 100 too high. The vast majority infected were asymptomatic, but not tested or counted.
That also means far more people already had inherent immunity than they realized, with as many as 50% being inherently immune, like those under 18.
Finally, the difference in death risk between those under 38 and those over 70 is a factor of 400, so by deliberately infecting volunteers under 40, we could have ended this epidemic last March, with only 60,000 deaths total.

Not really.

Someone who is asymptomatic may not be immune. Someone who's had the coronavirus may not be immune. We know of people who've had it at least twice.

The vaccine doesn't make someone immune either.

Someone who is asymptomatic can spread the virus. This is something quite scary, because if you end up with a virus that can do massive damage and loads of people are asymptomatic now, but maybe not in the future.....

Wrong.
Being asymptomatic means your immune system is familiar with the virus and can handle it efficiently.
That IS the definition of immunity.
Clearly you do not know what immunity is, because immunity does NOT at all mean you can't get re-infected.
Of course you can.
Immunity can NEVER prevent reinfection.
That would require magic.
Immunity means your immune system is efficient at attacking the infection, but it does not even START to produce the needed antibodies until AFER the infection is large enough to have been detected.
And yes, vaccines do convey immunity.
That just does not and can not prevent infection.

And while it is true an asymptomatic could possibly spread infection, that is so little probability that is can be ignored.
Spread is almost entirely dependent upon coughing or sneezing, which obviously asymptomatic do not do.

Not really. We don't know whether a person who is asymptomatic now, will not get symptoms later on. Perhaps people who are younger are less likely to get it, perhaps there's a gene that will keep them safe forever.

We don't know a lot about this.

 

[Rigby5]

Spread is almost entirely dependent upon coughing or sneezing, which obviously asymptomatic do not do.

No one coughs or sneezes unless they have covid?

Please STFU

No, obviously what I said is that even if a person is infected with covid-19, they likely are NOT going to spread it unless they cough or sneeze, and the whole point of asymptomatic being asymptomatic is that they are NOT coughing or sneezing.
If they were coughing or sneezing from the infection, then they would be symptomatic.
So asymptomatic rarely spread infection, and when they do, it is by hand contact.

You idiot.

People cough and sneeze all the time whether they have covid or not. If they are asymptomtic they spew virus.

How stupid are you?

Wrong.
I never cough or sneeze unless I am dehydrated or run into dust or pollen.
And an asymptomatic is NOT going to spew virus.
If the virus can grow to the point they are coughing, sneezing, or are contagious, then they will feel bad and not be asymptomatic.
Asymptomatic means their immune system catches and prevents severe cases.

 

[Rigby5]

Remember when that was one of the WH talking points in the early stages of the pandemic? No reason to panic. COVID will go away when the weather gets warm. It's all under control.

Turns out, they were wrong..........in too many ways to discuss. One of the more demonstrably provable things they were wrong about was the comparison to the flu.

We wiped out the flu this year. Could we do it again?

That's what happens to influenza type viruses when people wear masks and practice social distancing. Unfortunately, COVID is a highly transmissible virus. More so than the regular flu.

The point being the COVID protocols dismissed as ineffective, infringements on freedom, a waste of time by conservatives.........they work. And if we had not implemented them, if we had not locked down the economy for a while, the infection rate and death toll would be far worse than it is.

My whole family including my 80 year old mother caught it, the flu is worse.

This is a "it's not raining here, so it's not raining anywhere" argument.

No, its not.
That is because we know what has caused all the deaths, and not a one was actually caused by the virus.
Each and every death was caused by caused by an over reaction by the immune system, the cytokine storm.
And that is easily treated or prevented.
So every death was avoidable.

Its like you check every place where the ground is wet, and you find a blimp leaking water.
So then you know it is not rain.

It's like saying you don't get killed by the bull stabbing you with its horns, you die from organ failure.

I'd assume if a country were willing to spend massive amounts of money, everything would be preventable.

Wrong.
A bull with horns is life threatening.
Covid-19 can not possibly harm anyone.

The only reason why people die after covid-19 infection is their own body deliberately starts attacking themselves.
The virus does no harm at all.
The ONLY harm is done by the immune system over reaction.

And it does not cost much at all to prevent the deadly immune system over reaction.
Lots of different immuno suppressants have been shown to work.
Like fluvoxamine, Cyclophilin A, corticosteroids, IL-6 inhibitors, tocilizumab, ivermectin, etc.
They are not expensive or risky.

 

[Rigby5]

Rigby is an idiot.

Had we done nothing two million Americans (or more )would have died.

That is a lie.
The 2.4 million death calculation was totally wrong because only the very sick with covid were being tested, so they got the lethality about a factor of 100 too high. The vast majority infected were asymptomatic, but not tested or counted.
That also means far more people already had inherent immunity than they realized, with as many as 50% being inherently immune, like those under 18.
Finally, the difference in death risk between those under 38 and those over 70 is a factor of 400, so by deliberately infecting volunteers under 40, we could have ended this epidemic last March, with only 60,000 deaths total.

Not really.

Someone who is asymptomatic may not be immune. Someone who's had the coronavirus may not be immune. We know of people who've had it at least twice.

The vaccine doesn't make someone immune either.

Someone who is asymptomatic can spread the virus. This is something quite scary, because if you end up with a virus that can do massive damage and loads of people are asymptomatic now, but maybe not in the future.....

Wrong.
Being asymptomatic means your immune system is familiar with the virus and can handle it efficiently.
That IS the definition of immunity.
Clearly you do not know what immunity is, because immunity does NOT at all mean you can't get re-infected.
Of course you can.
Immunity can NEVER prevent reinfection.
That would require magic.
Immunity means your immune system is efficient at attacking the infection, but it does not even START to produce the needed antibodies until AFER the infection is large enough to have been detected.
And yes, vaccines do convey immunity.
That just does not and can not prevent infection.

And while it is true an asymptomatic could possibly spread infection, that is so little probability that is can be ignored.
Spread is almost entirely dependent upon coughing or sneezing, which obviously asymptomatic do not do.

Not really. We don't know whether a person who is asymptomatic now, will not get symptoms later on. Perhaps people who are younger are less likely to get it, perhaps there's a gene that will keep them safe forever.

We don't know a lot about this.

If one just has not manifest symptoms yet, that is pre-symptomatic, not asymptomatic.
We know for sure age makes a huge difference.
A person over 70 is 400 times more likely to die from a covid infection than someone under 38.

 

[Lesh]

Covid-19 can not possibly harm anyone.

The only reason why people die after covid-19 infection is their own body deliberately starts attacking themselves.
The virus does no harm at all.
The ONLY harm is done by the immune system over reaction.

Jesus you're an idiot

 

[frigidweirdo]

Remember when that was one of the WH talking points in the early stages of the pandemic? No reason to panic. COVID will go away when the weather gets warm. It's all under control.

Turns out, they were wrong..........in too many ways to discuss. One of the more demonstrably provable things they were wrong about was the comparison to the flu.

We wiped out the flu this year. Could we do it again?

That's what happens to influenza type viruses when people wear masks and practice social distancing. Unfortunately, COVID is a highly transmissible virus. More so than the regular flu.

The point being the COVID protocols dismissed as ineffective, infringements on freedom, a waste of time by conservatives.........they work. And if we had not implemented them, if we had not locked down the economy for a while, the infection rate and death toll would be far worse than it is.

My whole family including my 80 year old mother caught it, the flu is worse.

This is a "it's not raining here, so it's not raining anywhere" argument.

No, its not.
That is because we know what has caused all the deaths, and not a one was actually caused by the virus.
Each and every death was caused by caused by an over reaction by the immune system, the cytokine storm.
And that is easily treated or prevented.
So every death was avoidable.

Its like you check every place where the ground is wet, and you find a blimp leaking water.
So then you know it is not rain.

It's like saying you don't get killed by the bull stabbing you with its horns, you die from organ failure.

I'd assume if a country were willing to spend massive amounts of money, everything would be preventable.

Wrong.
A bull with horns is life threatening.
Covid-19 can not possibly harm anyone.

The only reason why people die after covid-19 infection is their own body deliberately starts attacking themselves.
The virus does no harm at all.
The ONLY harm is done by the immune system over reaction.

And it does not cost much at all to prevent the deadly immune system over reaction.
Lots of different immuno suppressants have been shown to work.
Like fluvoxamine, Cyclophilin A, corticosteroids, IL-6 inhibitors, tocilizumab, ivermectin, etc.
They are not expensive or risky.

The bull with horns doesn't kill you. It's the organ failure that kills you.

If we're going to do silly little nonsense like this, it's going to be a massively crap conversation.

 

[dudmuck]

No, its not.
That is because we know what has caused all the deaths, and not a one was actually caused by the virus.
Each and every death was caused by caused by an over reaction by the immune system, the cytokine storm.
And that is easily treated or prevented.
So every death was avoidable.

Its like you check every place where the ground is wet, and you find a blimp leaking water.
So then you know it is not rain.

the virus mostly kills by blocking ACE2 receptor in endothelium, causing elevated von willebrand factor, which causes blood thickening or clotting, along with general inflammation. But yes, often cytokine storm.

 

[jc456]

the virus mostly kills by blocking ACE2 receptor in endothelium, causing elevated von willebrand factor, which causes blood thickening or clotting, along with general inflammation. But yes, often cytokine storm.

nah. if that were true, you would have posted the link to the material you just posted.

 

[dudmuck]

nah. if that were true, you would have posted the link to the material you just posted.

if it were false, you would have posted a link explaining as such.

The material that proves how covid kills isnt generally considered appropriate for the layperson. Examples, are this, or this, or this, or this, etc. which is absurd, probably better explained at this youtube video.

 

[Rigby5]

The bull with horns doesn't kill you. It's the organ failure that kills you.

If we're going to do silly little nonsense like this, it's going to be a massively crap conversation.

No, you think it is a game of semantics, like saying the fall from the 30 story building does not kill you, the crushed organs on impact do instead.
And it is nothing like that.
Covid does not do anything normal cold coronaviruses do not also do, as far as damage.
Covid does not do anything like a 30 story fall or the impact with the pavement.
It does kill a few cells and does cause some imbalances, but nothing that can't be tolerated of treated with drugs.
What is really deadly is the cytokine storm, and that is just a mistake by your own immune system.
All we have to do is learn how to treat the symptoms, and the problems from covid disappear.
The body can easily take care of covid as it does all coronaviruses.
There should be nothing remotely life threatening about a covid infection, any more than the common cold is life threatening.

 

[Rigby5]

the virus mostly kills by blocking ACE2 receptor in endothelium, causing elevated von willebrand factor, which causes blood thickening or clotting, along with general inflammation. But yes, often cytokine storm.

Since the endothelium is the cells linings of the blood vessels, I can not understand how covid could get at them, since the ph of the blood kills covid on contact?

 

[Rigby5]

nah. if that were true, you would have posted the link to the material you just posted.

{...

What is a Cytokine Storm?​

Published: July 1, 2021
Medically Reviewed By: Caron A. Jacobson, MD, MMSc
A cytokine storm is a severe immune system reaction to infection, autoimmune condition, or other disease, including some cancers. It occurs when the body produces extremely high levels of certain cytokines, which are proteins that raise or lower immune activity.
The deluge of cytokines into the bloodstream can result in severe inflammation across multiple bodily systems, organ dysfunction, and organ failure if not treated adequately.
Cytokine storm can be an especially dangerous result of COVID-19. The inflammation and fluid buildup in the lungs associated with the disease may deprive the body of sufficient oxygen and require patients to be placed on a mechanical ventilator.
...

What treatments can give rise to cytokine storm?​

CAR T-cell therapy, a form of immunotherapy approved for the treatment of adults with B cell lymphoma, mantle cell lymphoma, and multiple myeloma, and children and young adults with acute lymphoblastic leukemia, is linked to cytokine release syndrome (CRS) — a form of cytokine storm — in some patients.

Patients who develop CRS may experience flu-like symptoms, such as high fever and/or chills, low blood pressure, or difficulty breathing. It usually arises within five days of patients’ being infused with CAR T cells. For most patients, the condition is mild enough that it can be managed with standard therapies such as acetaminophen and intravenous fluids.

In some cases, CRS is followed by a second wave of neurological side effects. These can include tremors, headaches, confusion, loss of balance, trouble speaking, seizures, and hallucinations. These symptoms generally subside in a few days, although some patients may require additional treatment.
...}

What is a Cytokine Storm? | Dana-Farber Cancer Institute

A cytokine storm is a severe immune system reaction to infection, autoimmune condition, or other disease, including some cancers.

blog.dana-farber.org

 

[jc456]

if it were false, you would have posted a link explaining as such.

The material that proves how covid kills isnt generally considered appropriate for the layperson. Examples, are this, or this, or this, or this, etc. which is absurd, probably better explained at this youtube video.

I made no claim, you did. I merely educated that you didn't post a link which is needed in this forum. So there's that.

 

[dudmuck]

Since the endothelium is the cells linings of the blood vessels, I can not understand how covid could get at them, since the ph of the blood kills covid on contact?

the virus gets into the lower respiratory tract where the alveoli interface into the vascular system, which includes the endothelium.