Desperate liberals still trying to pretend waterboarding and sleep deprivation is "torture"

[Vigilante]

THIS is torture!

 

[Spare_change]

History supports McCain s stance on waterboarding PolitiFact

" ... following World War II war crime trials were convened. The Japanese were tried and convicted and hung for war crimes committed against American POWs. Among those charges for which they were convicted was waterboarding."
— John McCain on Thursday, November 29th, 2007 in a campaign event in St. Petersburg

It is disingenuous, and historically inaccurate, to even hint that waterboarding was the reason for the executions. That's like saying a hangnail was the reason they cut your finger off.

You are grossly misinformed.

Prove the statement incorrect ... and, please, don't quote some liberal propaganda site. Give me facts ...or an apology.

 

[Faun]

History supports McCain s stance on waterboarding PolitiFact

" ... following World War II war crime trials were convened. The Japanese were tried and convicted and hung for war crimes committed against American POWs. Among those charges for which they were convicted was waterboarding."
— John McCain on Thursday, November 29th, 2007 in a campaign event in St. Petersburg

It is disingenuous, and historically inaccurate, to even hint that waterboarding was the reason for the executions. That's like saying a hangnail was the reason they cut your finger off.

You are grossly misinformed.

Prove the statement incorrect ... and, please, don't quote some liberal propaganda site. Give me facts ...or an apology.

U.S. Military Commission, Yokohama, May 1-28, 1947

That between 1 April, 1943 and 31 December, 1943, the accused Yukio Asano, did, willfully and unlawfully, brutally mistreat and torture John Henry Burton, an American Prisoner of War, by beating him; and by fastening him head downward on a
stretcher and forcing water into his nose.”​

There were other abuses which are described in the link provided. This one involved only beatings and waterboarding. For these crimes, Asano was convicted and sentenced to 15 years hard labor.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Isn't it cool how no matter what the issue, the majority opinion of the nation is that no matter what the Left says about it, they're lying.

THAT is a very good sign.

 

[Spare_change]

Isn't it cool how no matter what the issue, the majority opinion of the nation is that no matter what the Left says about it, they're lying.

THAT is a very good sign.

There is hope yet ....

 

[g5000]

Definition of moral relativism: "Well, at least we don't (fill in the blank)!" Chop off heads, eat babies, etc.

This bogus reasoning is based on the intellectually bankrupt premise that if we can just find someone who is worse than us, we are morally in the clear.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Definition of moral relativism: "Well, at least we don't (fill in the blank)!" Chop off heads, eat babies, etc.

This bogus reasoning is based on the intellectually bankrupt premise that if we can just find someone who is worse than us, we are morally in the clear.

Relativism is based in evil... the eternal search for 'an easier way' and the rejection of anything which holds the relativist to account for their own behavior. The simple fact is that without Relativism... evil could not exist.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

although water boarding and sleep deprivation are torture (of a degree) the Muslim scum should be thankful that we didn't subject them Roseanne Barr/Tom Arnold porn.

And rumor is that G5000 was willing to loan his personal stash to the CIA too.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

although water boarding and sleep deprivation are torture (of a degree) the Muslim scum should be thankful that we didn't subject them Roseanne Barr/Tom Arnold porn.

And rumor is that G5000 was willing to loan his personal stash to the CIA too.

No sir... they're not torture. Torture is injurious, it is sadistic...

To make the claim that such is torture, you must then claim that US Military training is torture and that considering the twisted reasoning of the Ideological Left is torture.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

although water boarding and sleep deprivation are torture (of a degree) the Muslim scum should be thankful that we didn't subject them Roseanne Barr/Tom Arnold porn.

And rumor is that G5000 was willing to loan his personal stash to the CIA too.

No sir... they're not torture. Torture is injurious, it is sadistic...

To make the claim that such is torture, you must then claim that US Military training is torture and that considering the twisted reasoning of the Ideological Left is torture.

You ever been waterboarded? I have
It's torture


18 U.S. Code § 2340 - Definitions
Current through Pub. L. 113-185. (See Public Laws for the current Congress.)

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As used in this chapter—
(1) “torture” means an act committed by a person acting under the color of law specifically intended to inflict severe physical or mental pain or suffering (other than pain or suffering incidental to lawful sanctions) upon another person within his custody or physical control;
(2) “severe mental pain or suffering” means the prolonged mental harm caused by or resulting from—
(A) the intentional infliction or threatened infliction of severe physical pain or suffering;
(B) the administration or application, or threatened administration or application, of mind-altering substances or other procedures calculated to disrupt profoundly the senses or the personality;
(C) the threat of imminent death; or
(D) the threat that another person will imminently be subjected to death, severe physical pain or suffering, or the administration or application of mind-altering substances or other procedures calculated to disrupt profoundly the senses or personality; and
(3) “United States” means the several States of the United States, the District of Columbia, and the commonwealths, territories, and possessions of the United States.

LII has no control over and does not endorse any external Internet site that contains links to or references LII.

 

[Vigilante]

although water boarding and sleep deprivation are torture (of a degree) the Muslim scum should be thankful that we didn't subject them Roseanne Barr/Tom Arnold porn.

And rumor is that G5000 was willing to loan his personal stash to the CIA too.

No sir... they're not torture. Torture is injurious, it is sadistic...

To make the claim that such is torture, you must then claim that US Military training is torture and that considering the twisted reasoning of the Ideological Left is torture.

You ever been waterboarded? I have
It's torture


18 U.S. Code § 2340 - Definitions
Current through Pub. L. 113-185. (See Public Laws for the current Congress.)

• US Code
• Notes

prev | next
As used in this chapter—
(1) “torture” means an act committed by a person acting under the color of law specifically intended to inflict severe physical or mental pain or suffering (other than pain or suffering incidental to lawful sanctions) upon another person within his custody or physical control;
(2) “severe mental pain or suffering” means the prolonged mental harm caused by or resulting from—
(A) the intentional infliction or threatened infliction of severe physical pain or suffering;
(B) the administration or application, or threatened administration or application, of mind-altering substances or other procedures calculated to disrupt profoundly the senses or the personality;
(C) the threat of imminent death; or
(D) the threat that another person will imminently be subjected to death, severe physical pain or suffering, or the administration or application of mind-altering substances or other procedures calculated to disrupt profoundly the senses or personality; and
(3) “United States” means the several States of the United States, the District of Columbia, and the commonwealths, territories, and possessions of the United States.

LII has no control over and does not endorse any external Internet site that contains links to or references LII.

As we've seen Bear, laws can be changed, altered, or completely ignored by either party!..... BTW, what is the penalty for government sponsored TORTURE...besides people getting their skirts blown up?

 

[Faun]

although water boarding and sleep deprivation are torture (of a degree) the Muslim scum should be thankful that we didn't subject them Roseanne Barr/Tom Arnold porn.

And rumor is that G5000 was willing to loan his personal stash to the CIA too.

No sir... they're not torture. Torture is injurious, it is sadistic...

To make the claim that such is torture, you must then claim that US Military training is torture and that considering the twisted reasoning of the Ideological Left is torture.

And yet, we tried and convicted Japanese of torture for waterboarding.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

You ever been waterboarded?

Many times... and if it helps, I've water-boarded others. And it is not torture.

(1) “torture” means an act committed by a person acting under the color of law specifically intended to inflict severe physical or mental pain or suffering (other than pain or suffering incidental to lawful sanctions) upon another person within his custody or physical control.

Using this code... there is not a single element of the United States Marine Corps Combat Training that is not torture.

Recruit Training ALONE is 13 weeks of severe physical or mental pain or suffering.

- (other than pain or suffering incidental to lawful sanctions).

Stressed Debriefing techniques are morally sound, therefore perfectly suited for that which is lawful, therefore are not torture.

 

[g5000]

No sir... they're not torture.

There are international treaties which strongly disagree with you. And official US policy before Bush also disagrees with you. We prosecuted people for war crimes who had waterboarded our troops, and we called it torture.

You are having to torture your intellect into unsustainable contortions to convince yourselves that what our country did to prisoners was not wrong.

 

[g5000]

1947: Victim of Japanese Waterboarding Relates Story to US War Crimes Tribunal

“When Yuki could not get anything out of me, he wanted the interpreter to place me down below,” he tells the court. “And I was told by Yuki to take off all my clothes, so what I did was to take off my clothes as ordered. I was ordered to lay on a bench and Yuki tied my feet, hands, and neck to that bench, lying with my face upward. After I was tied to the bench,

Yuki placed some cloth on my face. And then with water from the faucet, they poured on me until I became unconscious. He repeated that four or five times.” Asked if he could breathe, Navarro says: “No, I could not, and so I, for a time, lost consciousness. I found my consciousness came back again and found Yuki was sitting on my stomach. And then I vomited the water from my stomach, and the consciousness came back again for me. [The water came f]rom my mouth and all openings of my face… and then Yuki would repeat the same treatment and the same procedure to me until I became unconscious again.” Navarro recalls he was tortured like this “four or five times.” He says he lied to Yuki to end the torment: “When I was not able to endure his punishment which I received, I told a lie to Yuki.… I could not really show anything to Yuki, because I was really lying just to stop the torture.” He describes the waterboarding as “[n]ot so painful, but one becomes unconscious—like drowning in the water.… Drowning. You could hardly breathe.” Yuki is sentenced to life in prison for a variety of war crimes, including his torture of Navarro.

One former POW, Lieutenant Chase Nielsen, testified: “I was given several types of torture.… I was given what they call the water cure.… Well, I felt more or less like I was drowning… just gasping between life and death.”

"Navarro recalls he was tortured like this 'four or five times.'"

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was waterboarded at least 183 times.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

although water boarding and sleep deprivation are torture (of a degree) the Muslim scum should be thankful that we didn't subject them Roseanne Barr/Tom Arnold porn.

And rumor is that G5000 was willing to loan his personal stash to the CIA too.

No sir... they're not torture. Torture is injurious, it is sadistic...

To make the claim that such is torture, you must then claim that US Military training is torture and that considering the twisted reasoning of the Ideological Left is torture.

You ever been waterboarded? I have
It's torture


18 U.S. Code § 2340 - Definitions
Current through Pub. L. 113-185. (See Public Laws for the current Congress.)

• US Code
• Notes

prev | next
As used in this chapter—
(1) “torture” means an act committed by a person acting under the color of law specifically intended to inflict severe physical or mental pain or suffering (other than pain or suffering incidental to lawful sanctions) upon another person within his custody or physical control;
(2) “severe mental pain or suffering” means the prolonged mental harm caused by or resulting from—
(A) the intentional infliction or threatened infliction of severe physical pain or suffering;
(B) the administration or application, or threatened administration or application, of mind-altering substances or other procedures calculated to disrupt profoundly the senses or the personality;
(C) the threat of imminent death; or
(D) the threat that another person will imminently be subjected to death, severe physical pain or suffering, or the administration or application of mind-altering substances or other procedures calculated to disrupt profoundly the senses or personality; and
(3) “United States” means the several States of the United States, the District of Columbia, and the commonwealths, territories, and possessions of the United States.

LII has no control over and does not endorse any external Internet site that contains links to or references LII.

As we've seen Bear, laws can be changed, altered, or completely ignored by either party!..... BTW, what is the penalty for government sponsored TORTURE...besides people getting their skirts blown up?

Oh, I agree with you, I'm just saying that here on this board as we are talking, there is no need to deny that it is torture.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

1947: Victim of Japanese Waterboarding Relates Story to US War Crimes Tribunal

“When Yuki could not get anything out of me, he wanted the interpreter to place me down below,” he tells the court. “And I was told by Yuki to take off all my clothes, so what I did was to take off my clothes as ordered. I was ordered to lay on a bench and Yuki tied my feet, hands, and neck to that bench, lying with my face upward. After I was tied to the bench,

Yuki placed some cloth on my face. And then with water from the faucet, they poured on me until I became unconscious. He repeated that four or five times.” Asked if he could breathe, Navarro says: “No, I could not, and so I, for a time, lost consciousness. I found my consciousness came back again and found Yuki was sitting on my stomach. And then I vomited the water from my stomach, and the consciousness came back again for me. [The water came f]rom my mouth and all openings of my face… and then Yuki would repeat the same treatment and the same procedure to me until I became unconscious again.” Navarro recalls he was tortured like this “four or five times.” He says he lied to Yuki to end the torment: “When I was not able to endure his punishment which I received, I told a lie to Yuki.… I could not really show anything to Yuki, because I was really lying just to stop the torture.” He describes the waterboarding as “[n]ot so painful, but one becomes unconscious—like drowning in the water.… Drowning. You could hardly breathe.” Yuki is sentenced to life in prison for a variety of war crimes, including his torture of Navarro.

One former POW, Lieutenant Chase Nielsen, testified: “I was given several types of torture.… I was given what they call the water cure.… Well, I felt more or less like I was drowning… just gasping between life and death.”

"Navarro recalls he was tortured like this 'four or five times.'"

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was waterboarded at least 183 times.

Who gives a shit.

 

[g5000]

Defendant: Asano, Yukio

Docket Date: 53/ May 1 - 28, 1947, Yokohama, Japan

Charge: Violation of the Laws and Customs of War: 1. Did willfully and unlawfully mistreat and torture PWs. 2. Did unlawfully take and convert to his own use Red Cross packages and supplies intended for PWs.

Specifications:beating using hands, fists, club; kicking; water torture; burning using cigarettes; strapping on a stretcher head downward

Verdict: 15 years CHL (confinement at hard labor)


Yokohama Reviews - Asano

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

No sir... they're not torture.

There are international treaties which strongly disagree with you. And official US policy before Bush also disagrees with you. We prosecuted people for war crimes who had waterboarded our troops, and we called it torture.

You are having to torture your intellect into unsustainable contortions to convince yourselves that what our country did to prisoners was not wrong.

Doesn't matter what the treaties claim. It's not torture.

Torture injures the person, either mentally or physically or both.

US military personnel are subjected to the SAME techniques in the course of their training... and NO ONE is clambering around touting that to be torture.

The assertion is absurd on its face... and it serves as a means to promote the interests of the enemies of civilization.

 

[Nyvin]

Doesn't matter what the treaties claim. It's not torture.

Torture injures the person, either mentally or physically or both.

US military personnel are subjected to the SAME techniques in the course of their training... and NO ONE is clambering around touting that to be torture.

The assertion is absurd on its face... and it serves as a means to promote the interests of the enemies of civilization.

I'm a former Marine. The idea that basic training or even combat training is equivalent to the stuff that the torture report has in it is idiotic and wrong. A 12 mile hike with a 100 pound bag on your back will make you think you're going to be sore tomorrow, having food and water pumped up your anus is inhumane.

In Basic at MOST you'll go 1 day without any sleep (in total about 36 hours without sleep) in the Senate report sleep deprivation went on for sometimes 180 hours while having electric power drills running or bright lights all around you.

Also I can think of any comparison in the military to being hung by your wrist, put into a diaper, and left hanging for days at a time.