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Yes.
Why? You don't own your children, so it isn't a question of property rights. I think they very well may support them, on the grounds that your actions, or lack of action in this case, effects the safety of another.
And who has the right to raise their children? The parents or the state?
Just curious about this. For the extremeo's the laws against stuff are anti libertarian.
The typical narco-libertarian response wil be that as long it doesn't bother anyone it's OK by them. Good thing no one asks the chickens.
Wrong. Speak for yourself. R U Libertarian?
We heard the right wing oppose the ban on fox hunting in England as " left wing conspiracy whacko environmentalists"
As usual, the right wing wants to sit the fence, play both sides and pick and choose.
Dog fighting is animal cruelty just like greyhound racing, fox hunting and a dozen or more other sick and sad sports. I can not stand Michael Vick but his sentence was absurd.
When have we seen Rush and Sean oppose racing?
Why? You don't own your children, so it isn't a question of property rights. I think they very well may support them, on the grounds that your actions, or lack of action in this case, effects the safety of another.
And who has the right to raise their children? The parents or the state?
Wouldn't that depend a bit on how the innocent children were treated by the parents?
If not and it is without question that the parents have the sole rights over their children then that tells me that children ARE property. If you have that view that is.
From what I have read about him, I wouldn't say he believed in no government. As with most libertarians he just couldn't come up with much they do well.
Read The Ethics of Liberty (link to the entire book in PDF format for free: The Ethics of Liberty, by Murray N. Rothbard - - Mises Institute) and tell me if he believed in no government.
Though I don't agree with a few things that Rothbard supports his opposition to ALL government is very clear.
(Just so you know I own that book and have read the entire thing)
No, anarchy is lack of a state, not of order.
But it is the likely end result just the same.
Not in the opinion of Murray Rothbard and the rest of the anarcho-capitalists. They believe the free market can order all of society better than government.
From what I have read about him, I wouldn't say he believed in no government. As with most libertarians he just couldn't come up with much they do well.
Read The Ethics of Liberty (link to the entire book in PDF format for free: The Ethics of Liberty, by Murray N. Rothbard - - Mises Institute) and tell me if he believed in no government.
Though I don't agree with a few things that Rothbard supports his opposition to ALL government is very clear.
(Just so you know I own that book and have read the entire thing)
I'll just take your word for it. But to Kevin's point it seems he would call himself an anarchist first. I think whether he is also a liibiertarian depends on a lot of criteria. He certainly espouses libertarian ideals, but a belief or even a few beliefs does not define one's singular ideology. It's bazaar as saying you are pro-choice therefore you are a liberal.
I am admittedly new to libertarianism. It appeals to me more than even conservatism. But the two of you (Kevin and 2) seem rather hell bent on letting people know that anarchy and libertarianism are essentially the same thing. As we've also discussed, there are a lot of shades of both anarchism and libertarianism, and though my background on it the subject is not what it could be, at the very least seems that one differing characterisitc between the two is that libertriansim recognizes at least some necessity for government/
But it is the likely end result just the same.
Not in the opinion of Murray Rothbard and the rest of the anarcho-capitalists. They believe the free market can order all of society better than government.
what does anarcho-capitalism have to say about non-economic matters such as rape and murder?
Read The Ethics of Liberty (link to the entire book in PDF format for free: The Ethics of Liberty, by Murray N. Rothbard - - Mises Institute) and tell me if he believed in no government.
Though I don't agree with a few things that Rothbard supports his opposition to ALL government is very clear.
(Just so you know I own that book and have read the entire thing)
I'll just take your word for it. But to Kevin's point it seems he would call himself an anarchist first. I think whether he is also a liibiertarian depends on a lot of criteria. He certainly espouses libertarian ideals, but a belief or even a few beliefs does not define one's singular ideology. It's bazaar as saying you are pro-choice therefore you are a liberal.
I am admittedly new to libertarianism. It appeals to me more than even conservatism. But the two of you (Kevin and 2) seem rather hell bent on letting people know that anarchy and libertarianism are essentially the same thing. As we've also discussed, there are a lot of shades of both anarchism and libertarianism, and though my background on it the subject is not what it could be, at the very least seems that one differing characterisitc between the two is that libertriansim recognizes at least some necessity for government/
No, it isn't my point that anarchism and libertarianism are essentially the same thing. My point has only ever been that there are anarchist libertarians. There are also libertarians who are not anarchists, as I am a libertarian and not an anarchist.
Not in the opinion of Murray Rothbard and the rest of the anarcho-capitalists. They believe the free market can order all of society better than government.
what does anarcho-capitalism have to say about non-economic matters such as rape and murder?
That they violate a person's individual rights and restitution should be made on behalf of the aggressor towards the victim.
I'll just take your word for it. But to Kevin's point it seems he would call himself an anarchist first. I think whether he is also a liibiertarian depends on a lot of criteria. He certainly espouses libertarian ideals, but a belief or even a few beliefs does not define one's singular ideology. It's bazaar as saying you are pro-choice therefore you are a liberal.
I am admittedly new to libertarianism. It appeals to me more than even conservatism. But the two of you (Kevin and 2) seem rather hell bent on letting people know that anarchy and libertarianism are essentially the same thing. As we've also discussed, there are a lot of shades of both anarchism and libertarianism, and though my background on it the subject is not what it could be, at the very least seems that one differing characterisitc between the two is that libertriansim recognizes at least some necessity for government/
No, it isn't my point that anarchism and libertarianism are essentially the same thing. My point has only ever been that there are anarchist libertarians. There are also libertarians who are not anarchists, as I am a libertarian and not an anarchist.
And it is the anarchist libertarian that makes no sense to me. If you're already an anarchist, what's the point?
what does anarcho-capitalism have to say about non-economic matters such as rape and murder?
That they violate a person's individual rights and restitution should be made on behalf of the aggressor towards the victim.
And who is given the authority to hand out such restitution?
I'll just take your word for it. But to Kevin's point it seems he would call himself an anarchist first. I think whether he is also a liibiertarian depends on a lot of criteria. He certainly espouses libertarian ideals, but a belief or even a few beliefs does not define one's singular ideology. It's bazaar as saying you are pro-choice therefore you are a liberal.
I am admittedly new to libertarianism. It appeals to me more than even conservatism.
But the two of you (Kevin and 2) seem rather hell bent on letting people know that anarchy and libertarianism are essentially the same thing.
As we've also discussed, there are a lot of shades of both anarchism and libertarianism, and though my background on it the subject is not what it could be, at the very least seems that one differing characterisitc between the two is that libertriansim recognizes at least some necessity for government/
Ahh Privatized court system. That should work out fantastic.
Ahh Privatized court system. That should work out fantastic.
Ahh Privatized court system. That should work out fantastic.
Especially when one person is ruled wrong and ordered to pay restitution to the other. Who is going to collect it?
But I'd prefer to sit and watch the narco-libertarians haggle themselves to death.
Especially when one person is ruled wrong and ordered to pay restitution to the other. Who is going to collect it?
But I'd prefer to sit and watch the narco-libertarians haggle themselves to death.
Ahh Privatized court system. That should work out fantastic.
Especially when one person is ruled wrong and ordered to pay restitution to the other. Who is going to collect it?
But I'd prefer to sit and watch the narco-libertarians haggle themselves to death.
Why to collect your money you would have to pay a private police force to get it for you.
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Do libertarians support pit bull and chicken fighting? Absolutely we do.
In fact I'm running a league right now. Right now besides pit bulls fighting each other and cockfights we are unveiling in our true free-market innovation stance that we will be pitting pit bulls against chickens. We haven't quite determined what the pit bull to chicken ration should be but I know our tests get more bloody everyday. After I smoke a bowl, graffiti anarchy symbols on public schools, spit on returning US soldiers from Iraq, and visit my favorite whorehouse I spend the rest of my time working on my business plan for expansions to my pit bull and cockfighting business...
The fact remains that there is nothing inherent in libertarian ideology to suggest support for an individual's right to torture animals.
^^Truth^^
Yet another straw man. No one suggested that. Try posting support for your views.
