Shogun
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And what eveidence do you have that if not for a minimum wage law you're boss would try to pay you less?
are you fucking KIDDING ME, capitalist? MY evidence is the constant, eternal struggle to PAY LOWER WAGES via outsourcing and fighting a state minimum wage by the very people who refuse to pay any more than they are legally required to. If there were no min wage then YOU would be insisting that the value of labor is set by the scarcity of workers despite the meager, Calcutta-like results that would manifest. WOW. You are funny when you say dumb shit out of desperation, BE$N.
I never said that about you in the first place. I said it is your contention that the purpose of business is to provide for your standard of living. Is that accurate or not?
The purpose of business is to move funds along commercial paths. Even commies "do business". It's how we allow this movement to HINDER or HELP the culture in which it manifests that matters. Don't like it? Send me a post card from Mexico.
Further I have contended that I want the same thing you want. For people to have the best SOL they can. I simply contend that the isolationist policies you propose won't accomplish that because you can't see past the nose on your face as to what would happen in practice if they were actually implemented.
Bullshit. YOU only want those who can afford it to have the best SOL they can achieve. Being a humanitarian, I'd rather ALL of us enjoy a range of SOL set by a minimum standard even if that means squeezing the top end of the spectrum and protecting our entire scope of employment. Isolationism does work. The Greatest Generation of America knew it. YOUR problem is that you seem to think that America is so fucking dependant on multi-national business that it could never create it's own ventures internally to replace those who want to cry foul when you find that you can't, in fact, eat your fucking import. Alas, You are free to find another club if this one doesn't benefit you the way you think you deserve.
Would you stop posting giberish and nonsense. We didn't pretend anything. The American consumer was offered a choice and they chose. That's how people buy things. If they can get the same quality or better and keep more of their money what the fuck do you think they're going to do? What fucking help are you to them when you insist that a) they can not buy that foreign car for less and must pay the higher price to protect someone elses who isn't able to compete in the first place? You'll have to excuse me if I don't worship at your alter because you forced me to pay more than what I would have if we competed on a global level. This is basic fucking math Shogun. YOU FORCED ME TO SPEND MORE THAN YOU SIT THERE AND TRY TO SPIN SOME SHIT ABOUT HOW YOU'RE RAISING MY SOL.
yea, so sayeth the proprietor of the Company Store. And, by lowballing American labor into the SOL of a mexican pauper I GUESS YOU'LL HAVE TO FORGIVE ME FOR TELLING YOU THE SAME THING ABOUT REACTIVE CONSUMERS WHO VOTE FOR PROTECTIONIST NATIONAL POLICY. What the fuck else do you expect Americans to do, BE$N? Starve themselves some savings at Wal Mart? Can't even afford those low, LOW prices while unemployed!
And yes, they A) can buy a foreign car if it's their choice as long as the domestic car's pricetag is normalized with the price of the rice burner. There is still choice; you can think of it as a tax on external consumption which allows domestic competition to continue.
Like I've been saying, BE$N, your bullshit "I say COMPETE but what I really mean is slave-like standards of living" doesn't impress me on iota. I don't really give a shit if YOU don't think America is competitive with semi-third world nations when it comes to the comparative price of labor. No one gave you the golden key to use our AMERICAN consumption like a fucking tampon.
and again, if you want to talk about BASIC MATH, tell me how a former UAW worker making 27/hour is able to consume as much as he can after being downgraded by your type into a fucking 7.25/hr toyota job. IF THAT. Tell me, BE$N, how does 50k per year compare with UNEMPLOYMENT. yea, I thought so. Tell me more about increased SOLs via 20 cents off a fucking jar of pickles, BE$N.
The numbers are the numbers Shogun. Explain to me how some number less than 10% unemployment, a number that is going to go down, some fucking national crisis?
I guess you'd have to take your fucking ass out of your warm, cozy office to comprehend more than what is on your memo pad, BE$N. Unemployment rate at 10% doesn't speak one fucking word about the lowered SOL via outsourced jobs and wage slave replacement employment for formerly lucrative lifestyles. Again, while technically employed, holding t part time, minimum wage jobs won't support anything CLOSE to what was enjoyed by former UAW labor who gets to hang from the noose of your economic opinions this year. Basic Math, INDEED!
Again math is not your strong suit. If you force me to pay higher costs for goods and services how exactly have you helped improve my standard of living? It is amazing this is so hard for me. I can improve my standard of living, WHICH IS WHAT YOU CLAIM TO WANT, by spending less money.
You probably shouldn't act like a math teacher given how many variables you constantly hope to ignore. Scroll up. I've explained how laughable your grasp on math is this side of our normalized SOL. And, you don't have money to save or spend if YOU DON'T MAKE ANY, BE$N. Or, and this is where your ironic bullshit is the richest (pun intended), IF YOUR SOL GETS LOWERED BECAUSE SOME FMC ASSHOLE DECIDES THAT YOUR AMERICAN LABOR IS NOT AS VALUABLE AS WHAT HE CAN BUY IN A FUCKING GHETTO STATE LIKE MEXICO.
WOW.
Your contention is that companies are moving to overseas labor to save a buck. The reality is they do it often times to save the American jobs they can.
YOU HAVE OFFICIALLY JUMPED THE SHARK, BE$N.
for real. it's pretty sad to see you even try to suggest bullshit like that. SERIOUSLY.
are you fucking KIDDING ME, capitalist? MY evidence is the constant, eternal struggle to PAY LOWER WAGES via outsourcing and fighting a state minimum wage by the very people who refuse to pay any more than they are legally required to. If there were no min wage then YOU would be insisting that the value of labor is set by the scarcity of workers despite the meager, Calcutta-like results that would manifest. WOW. You are funny when you say dumb shit out of desperation, BE$N.
I never said that about you in the first place. I said it is your contention that the purpose of business is to provide for your standard of living. Is that accurate or not?
The purpose of business is to move funds along commercial paths. Even commies "do business". It's how we allow this movement to HINDER or HELP the culture in which it manifests that matters. Don't like it? Send me a post card from Mexico.
Further I have contended that I want the same thing you want. For people to have the best SOL they can. I simply contend that the isolationist policies you propose won't accomplish that because you can't see past the nose on your face as to what would happen in practice if they were actually implemented.
Bullshit. YOU only want those who can afford it to have the best SOL they can achieve. Being a humanitarian, I'd rather ALL of us enjoy a range of SOL set by a minimum standard even if that means squeezing the top end of the spectrum and protecting our entire scope of employment. Isolationism does work. The Greatest Generation of America knew it. YOUR problem is that you seem to think that America is so fucking dependant on multi-national business that it could never create it's own ventures internally to replace those who want to cry foul when you find that you can't, in fact, eat your fucking import. Alas, You are free to find another club if this one doesn't benefit you the way you think you deserve.
Would you stop posting giberish and nonsense. We didn't pretend anything. The American consumer was offered a choice and they chose. That's how people buy things. If they can get the same quality or better and keep more of their money what the fuck do you think they're going to do? What fucking help are you to them when you insist that a) they can not buy that foreign car for less and must pay the higher price to protect someone elses who isn't able to compete in the first place? You'll have to excuse me if I don't worship at your alter because you forced me to pay more than what I would have if we competed on a global level. This is basic fucking math Shogun. YOU FORCED ME TO SPEND MORE THAN YOU SIT THERE AND TRY TO SPIN SOME SHIT ABOUT HOW YOU'RE RAISING MY SOL.
yea, so sayeth the proprietor of the Company Store. And, by lowballing American labor into the SOL of a mexican pauper I GUESS YOU'LL HAVE TO FORGIVE ME FOR TELLING YOU THE SAME THING ABOUT REACTIVE CONSUMERS WHO VOTE FOR PROTECTIONIST NATIONAL POLICY. What the fuck else do you expect Americans to do, BE$N? Starve themselves some savings at Wal Mart? Can't even afford those low, LOW prices while unemployed!
And yes, they A) can buy a foreign car if it's their choice as long as the domestic car's pricetag is normalized with the price of the rice burner. There is still choice; you can think of it as a tax on external consumption which allows domestic competition to continue.
Like I've been saying, BE$N, your bullshit "I say COMPETE but what I really mean is slave-like standards of living" doesn't impress me on iota. I don't really give a shit if YOU don't think America is competitive with semi-third world nations when it comes to the comparative price of labor. No one gave you the golden key to use our AMERICAN consumption like a fucking tampon.
and again, if you want to talk about BASIC MATH, tell me how a former UAW worker making 27/hour is able to consume as much as he can after being downgraded by your type into a fucking 7.25/hr toyota job. IF THAT. Tell me, BE$N, how does 50k per year compare with UNEMPLOYMENT. yea, I thought so. Tell me more about increased SOLs via 20 cents off a fucking jar of pickles, BE$N.
The numbers are the numbers Shogun. Explain to me how some number less than 10% unemployment, a number that is going to go down, some fucking national crisis?
I guess you'd have to take your fucking ass out of your warm, cozy office to comprehend more than what is on your memo pad, BE$N. Unemployment rate at 10% doesn't speak one fucking word about the lowered SOL via outsourced jobs and wage slave replacement employment for formerly lucrative lifestyles. Again, while technically employed, holding t part time, minimum wage jobs won't support anything CLOSE to what was enjoyed by former UAW labor who gets to hang from the noose of your economic opinions this year. Basic Math, INDEED!
Again math is not your strong suit. If you force me to pay higher costs for goods and services how exactly have you helped improve my standard of living? It is amazing this is so hard for me. I can improve my standard of living, WHICH IS WHAT YOU CLAIM TO WANT, by spending less money.
You probably shouldn't act like a math teacher given how many variables you constantly hope to ignore. Scroll up. I've explained how laughable your grasp on math is this side of our normalized SOL. And, you don't have money to save or spend if YOU DON'T MAKE ANY, BE$N. Or, and this is where your ironic bullshit is the richest (pun intended), IF YOUR SOL GETS LOWERED BECAUSE SOME FMC ASSHOLE DECIDES THAT YOUR AMERICAN LABOR IS NOT AS VALUABLE AS WHAT HE CAN BUY IN A FUCKING GHETTO STATE LIKE MEXICO.
WOW.
Your contention is that companies are moving to overseas labor to save a buck. The reality is they do it often times to save the American jobs they can.
YOU HAVE OFFICIALLY JUMPED THE SHARK, BE$N.
for real. it's pretty sad to see you even try to suggest bullshit like that. SERIOUSLY.