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[Papageorgio]

Lol you are funny. Actually 99.99%

Dude I've lived half of my life in a Muslim country and the other half touring the world while living in the US.
Most arabs and Muslims are the nicest most compassionate and the most hospitable people on earth. They care for each other, they help each other.
If we see an elderly with a heavy loaded bag we rush to help.
Someone died in the neighborhood everyone is off to help with the funeral and we collect money for the family.
If a woman is being disrespected we rush to help.
When my parent went to work and there was no school, I stayed with the neighbors that I consider my second family they fed me and took care of me like their own.
When I travel to a different city, everyone is welcoming to their house.
Kids play on the streets with 0 fear, everyone watches after them.
We have free education, free health care.
If by reforming islam, you mean we become selfish and greedy, no thank you.

You still believe Trump? Lol
He bashed Saudi Arabia day and night during the campaign. 15 of the hijackers were Saudis and he didn't ban the Saudis in his ban. And he went on to do business deals to benefit him, his family and friends. Are you guys this blind?

Extreme vetting is the answer of course. In this day and age it is necessary. Glad you support President Trump on that.

Greg

He bashed the Saudis? Not that I recall. What I would like to see is the Arab League strong enough to remove nasties like Daesh but supportive of Human Rights and Western values. They do need a Reformation and many who settle in the West indeed effectively have done so on a personal level. It does, however, need to happen on a Whole of Faith level. One must recall that the Catholics were once quite militant. That has basically NOT been the case for about four hundred years. You guys are a tad behind but I do hope that it doesn't take another four hundred years for the Islamic Reformation to take place. And no; I don't mean the Reformation of Luther; I mean the Reformation WITHIN the Church.

Greg

Like I said, 99% of Muslims are fine people, you just fall in the 1%, not to tough to figure out.

Dude I've lived half of my life in a Muslim country and the other half touring the world while living in the US.
Most arabs and Muslims are the nicest most compassionate and the most hospitable people on earth. They care for each other, they help each other.
If we see an elderly with a heavy loaded bag we rush to help.
Someone died in the neighborhood everyone is off to help with the funeral and we collect money for the family.
If a woman is being disrespected we rush to help.
When my parent went to work and there was no school, I stayed with the neighbors that I consider my second family they fed me and took care of me like their own.
When I travel to a different city, everyone is welcoming to their house.
Kids play on the streets with 0 fear, everyone watches after them.
We have free education, free health care.
If by reforming islam, you mean we become selfish and greedy, no thank you.

You still believe Trump? Lol
He bashed Saudi Arabia day and night during the campaign. 15 of the hijackers were Saudis and he didn't ban the Saudis in his ban. And he went on to do business deals to benefit him, his family and friends. Are you guys this blind?

Extreme vetting is the answer of course. In this day and age it is necessary. Glad you support President Trump on that.

Greg

He bashed the Saudis? Not that I recall. What I would like to see is the Arab League strong enough to remove nasties like Daesh but supportive of Human Rights and Western values. They do need a Reformation and many who settle in the West indeed effectively have done so on a personal level. It does, however, need to happen on a Whole of Faith level. One must recall that the Catholics were once quite militant. That has basically NOT been the case for about four hundred years. You guys are a tad behind but I do hope that it doesn't take another four hundred years for the Islamic Reformation to take place. And no; I don't mean the Reformation of Luther; I mean the Reformation WITHIN the Church.

Greg

Like I said, 99% of Muslims are fine people, you just fall in the 1%, not to tough to figure out.

No, I tell it the way it is and you don't like that I am already on to you.

 

[Issa]

Good for you. Plus I'm too busy with my kids activities to have a pet.

I love them but me and my daughter are allergic to pets. BTW dogs are mentioned in the Koran and the first pets clinic was under Islamic empire. Google it my friend.

Dude I've lived half of my life in a Muslim country and the other half touring the world while living in the US.
Most arabs and Muslims are the nicest most compassionate and the most hospitable people on earth. They care for each other, they help each other.
If we see an elderly with a heavy loaded bag we rush to help.
Someone died in the neighborhood everyone is off to help with the funeral and we collect money for the family.
If a woman is being disrespected we rush to help.
When my parent went to work and there was no school, I stayed with the neighbors that I consider my second family they fed me and took care of me like their own.
When I travel to a different city, everyone is welcoming to their house.
Kids play on the streets with 0 fear, everyone watches after them.
We have free education, free health care.
If by reforming islam, you mean we become selfish and greedy, no thank you.

You still believe Trump? Lol
He bashed Saudi Arabia day and night during the campaign. 15 of the hijackers were Saudis and he didn't ban the Saudis in his ban. And he went on to do business deals to benefit him, his family and friends. Are you guys this blind?

He bashed the Saudis? Not that I recall. What I would like to see is the Arab League strong enough to remove nasties like Daesh but supportive of Human Rights and Western values. They do need a Reformation and many who settle in the West indeed effectively have done so on a personal level. It does, however, need to happen on a Whole of Faith level. One must recall that the Catholics were once quite militant. That has basically NOT been the case for about four hundred years. You guys are a tad behind but I do hope that it doesn't take another four hundred years for the Islamic Reformation to take place. And no; I don't mean the Reformation of Luther; I mean the Reformation WITHIN the Church.

Greg

Do you like dogs? Do you have a dog?

I'm allergic to many animals, however I am not allergic to Yorkshires, Bichons, Shih Tzus, because they don't shed and they don't create the dander, they have a fur and not hair.

 

[Issa]

No because your accusations are idiotic.
Where do you live btw? I'm in California and about to go for a run at the beach.

Lol you are funny. Actually 99.99%

Dude I've lived half of my life in a Muslim country and the other half touring the world while living in the US.
Most arabs and Muslims are the nicest most compassionate and the most hospitable people on earth. They care for each other, they help each other.
If we see an elderly with a heavy loaded bag we rush to help.
Someone died in the neighborhood everyone is off to help with the funeral and we collect money for the family.
If a woman is being disrespected we rush to help.
When my parent went to work and there was no school, I stayed with the neighbors that I consider my second family they fed me and took care of me like their own.
When I travel to a different city, everyone is welcoming to their house.
Kids play on the streets with 0 fear, everyone watches after them.
We have free education, free health care.
If by reforming islam, you mean we become selfish and greedy, no thank you.

You still believe Trump? Lol
He bashed Saudi Arabia day and night during the campaign. 15 of the hijackers were Saudis and he didn't ban the Saudis in his ban. And he went on to do business deals to benefit him, his family and friends. Are you guys this blind?

He bashed the Saudis? Not that I recall. What I would like to see is the Arab League strong enough to remove nasties like Daesh but supportive of Human Rights and Western values. They do need a Reformation and many who settle in the West indeed effectively have done so on a personal level. It does, however, need to happen on a Whole of Faith level. One must recall that the Catholics were once quite militant. That has basically NOT been the case for about four hundred years. You guys are a tad behind but I do hope that it doesn't take another four hundred years for the Islamic Reformation to take place. And no; I don't mean the Reformation of Luther; I mean the Reformation WITHIN the Church.

Greg

Like I said, 99% of Muslims are fine people, you just fall in the 1%, not to tough to figure out.

Dude I've lived half of my life in a Muslim country and the other half touring the world while living in the US.
Most arabs and Muslims are the nicest most compassionate and the most hospitable people on earth. They care for each other, they help each other.
If we see an elderly with a heavy loaded bag we rush to help.
Someone died in the neighborhood everyone is off to help with the funeral and we collect money for the family.
If a woman is being disrespected we rush to help.
When my parent went to work and there was no school, I stayed with the neighbors that I consider my second family they fed me and took care of me like their own.
When I travel to a different city, everyone is welcoming to their house.
Kids play on the streets with 0 fear, everyone watches after them.
We have free education, free health care.
If by reforming islam, you mean we become selfish and greedy, no thank you.

You still believe Trump? Lol
He bashed Saudi Arabia day and night during the campaign. 15 of the hijackers were Saudis and he didn't ban the Saudis in his ban. And he went on to do business deals to benefit him, his family and friends. Are you guys this blind?

He bashed the Saudis? Not that I recall. What I would like to see is the Arab League strong enough to remove nasties like Daesh but supportive of Human Rights and Western values. They do need a Reformation and many who settle in the West indeed effectively have done so on a personal level. It does, however, need to happen on a Whole of Faith level. One must recall that the Catholics were once quite militant. That has basically NOT been the case for about four hundred years. You guys are a tad behind but I do hope that it doesn't take another four hundred years for the Islamic Reformation to take place. And no; I don't mean the Reformation of Luther; I mean the Reformation WITHIN the Church.

Greg

Like I said, 99% of Muslims are fine people, you just fall in the 1%, not to tough to figure out.

No, I tell it the way it is and you don't like that I am already on to you.

 

[Ame®icano]

Dude I've lived half of my life in a Muslim country and the other half touring the world while living in the US.
Most arabs and Muslims are the nicest most compassionate and the most hospitable people on earth. They care for each other, they help each other.
If we see an elderly with a heavy loaded bag we rush to help.
Someone died in the neighborhood everyone is off to help with the funeral and we collect money for the family.
If a woman is being disrespected we rush to help.
When my parent went to work and there was no school, I stayed with the neighbors that I consider my second family they fed me and took care of me like their own.
When I travel to a different city, everyone is welcoming to their house.
Kids play on the streets with 0 fear, everyone watches after them.
We have free education, free health care.
If by reforming islam, you mean we become selfish and greedy, no thank you.

All great. You're talking about "most Arabs".

Here is the question: What would most Arabs do if their daughter wants to marry a Jew?

 

[Issa]

Same that most Jews would do or Christians for that matter.
I married a non practicing christian, my parents had 0 issues with it. Her parents one catholic the other is Mormon were against it....the irony both they had problem with their parents accepting their marriage.
My wife after 1 year she decide to convert, although she is not practicing but she dentifies herself as a Muslim.

Dude I've lived half of my life in a Muslim country and the other half touring the world while living in the US.
Most arabs and Muslims are the nicest most compassionate and the most hospitable people on earth. They care for each other, they help each other.
If we see an elderly with a heavy loaded bag we rush to help.
Someone died in the neighborhood everyone is off to help with the funeral and we collect money for the family.
If a woman is being disrespected we rush to help.
When my parent went to work and there was no school, I stayed with the neighbors that I consider my second family they fed me and took care of me like their own.
When I travel to a different city, everyone is welcoming to their house.
Kids play on the streets with 0 fear, everyone watches after them.
We have free education, free health care.
If by reforming islam, you mean we become selfish and greedy, no thank you.

All great. You're talking about "most Arabs".

Here is the question: What would most Arabs do if their daughter wants to marry a Jew?

 

[Issa]

I know dozens of Muslim women married to non Muslim men. And their families are fine with it.

 

[Dalia]

............

 

[basquebromance]

"Globalism" is a Libyan putting a bomb made with Polish nails in a Chinese backpack to blow up a concert by an American singer in England.

 

[basquebromance]

They are hiding pictures of the carnage the way they hid Bataclan's. The world needs to see the damage to truly understand Islam.

 

[basquebromance]

Katy Perry commenting on the recent terror attack: "No barriers, no borders, we all need to coexist." Here's the front of her mansion:

 

[Pogo]

Here's a nice little collection, from the first few pages of this thread alone, of how the Regressive Left will always spin, deflect and attack after a jihadist atrocity. One thread out so many, and so many examples.

And remember, these comments were made before the bodies of the innocent, slaughtered children were even cold:

Whelp -- you had it right the first time. Ain't no religion with blowing shit up as a sacrament. Unless of course you can show us the same video of "aaaaand it's Christians" when Eric Rudolph, Tim McVeigh, Ted Kazinsky or the IRA did their thing. Yeah, didn't think so.

What's the IRA up to these days?

it's such a shame Trump cancelled Obama's planned op to invade ISIS HQ, Raqqa
oh well, there goes another 'promise'........uuuge surprise!

It wasn't personal when the US managed to royally fuck up Iraq getting potentially 1 million people killed?

No, I have an opinion, instead of someone like you who tries to shut people down with idiotic attacks. You don't have to like what I say, but you aren't going to get away with nonsense like that.
The US went to Iraq and caused chaos, they made a political vacuum that got potentially 1 million people killed. Perhaps 20-30 people get killed in Manchester and someone this is much worse than the US going and getting 1 million people killed. Sorry, my math isn't so good, but I'm thinking 1 million is much higher than 30.
Yes, 30 is a tragedy, but had Bush no invaded Iraq, then 1 million people in Iraq and 30 people in Manchester, and people in Brussels, Paris, Boston, San Bernadino etc etc would NOT BE DEAD.

Pop quiz: Name the religions of Bobby Joe Rogers, Ted Kaczynsky and Eric Rudolph.

Spoiler: Check answer here

Irrelevant

Dafuk does "Mecca" have to do with this? Nobody can answer that. Was anyone calling for "nuke the Vatican" after the Atlanta Olympics bombing? help ---- same thing.

Yuh huh. Member how Christianism was a world-domination plan masquerading as a religion" because Eric Rudolph was Catholic? Nor do I. Having it both ways --- priceless. Ignorant hacks.

Was England on trumps ban list ?

Can't speak for others but the quotes from me are, as I've already noted, entirely about logic. Specifically, calling out the fallacies rampant in this thread, which started not only before the proverbial bodies were cold but right there in the beginning.

Member how you tried to twist my posts into --- what was your term --- "pet constituent religion", and then I challenged you to come up with any evidence at all of that, and had nothing, so you did a video dump to try to deflect it and then ran away? I sure do.

The neat thing about the quote function is that I just quote people directly and then point at it.

You people are what you people are. All I have to do is quote you and say, "see?"

I'm on the side of people like the brave & honest liberal below, who spends his days fighting people like the Regressive Left and the jihadists.

You're just another Regressive.
.

Aaaaaand there you go again, hopelessly trying to deflect to this "Maajid Nawaz" because you're too much of a fucking wimp to take responsibility for your own posts.

Oh, I'm just a guy on the internet.

I love quoting people who expose you people for what you are.

You'll notice I never use quotes from right wing crazies for that. I use liberals. REAL liberals, not distortions like you.

And that's why you all always turn into drama queens for me.
.

All I notice is that you never use quotes from me to justify your own accusations OF me. Because you can't. Because they don't exist. Because you have no case; you pulled it out of your ass and can't admit it. You can, but you won't.

And that makes you a fucking dishonest hack.

 

[Mac1958]

Here's a nice little collection, from the first few pages of this thread alone, of how the Regressive Left will always spin, deflect and attack after a jihadist atrocity. One thread out so many, and so many examples.

And remember, these comments were made before the bodies of the innocent, slaughtered children were even cold:

Can't speak for others but the quotes from me are, as I've already noted, entirely about logic. Specifically, calling out the fallacies rampant in this thread, which started not only before the proverbial bodies were cold but right there in the beginning.

Member how you tried to twist my posts into --- what was your term --- "pet constituent religion", and then I challenged you to come up with any evidence at all of that, and had nothing, so you did a video dump to try to deflect it and then ran away? I sure do.

The neat thing about the quote function is that I just quote people directly and then point at it.

You people are what you people are. All I have to do is quote you and say, "see?"

I'm on the side of people like the brave & honest liberal below, who spends his days fighting people like the Regressive Left and the jihadists.

You're just another Regressive.
.

Aaaaaand there you go again, hopelessly trying to deflect to this "Maajid Nawaz" because you're too much of a fucking wimp to take responsibility for your own posts.

Oh, I'm just a guy on the internet.

I love quoting people who expose you people for what you are.

You'll notice I never use quotes from right wing crazies for that. I use liberals. REAL liberals, not distortions like you.

And that's why you all always turn into drama queens for me.
.

All I notice is that you never use quotes from me to justify your own accusations OF me.
And that makes you a fucking dishonest hack.

Great, thanks.

Another example of my point.
.

 

[Pogo]

Here's a nice little collection, from the first few pages of this thread alone, of how the Regressive Left will always spin, deflect and attack after a jihadist atrocity. One thread out so many, and so many examples.

And remember, these comments were made before the bodies of the innocent, slaughtered children were even cold:

Whelp -- you had it right the first time. Ain't no religion with blowing shit up as a sacrament. Unless of course you can show us the same video of "aaaaand it's Christians" when Eric Rudolph, Tim McVeigh, Ted Kazinsky or the IRA did their thing. Yeah, didn't think so.

What's the IRA up to these days?

it's such a shame Trump cancelled Obama's planned op to invade ISIS HQ, Raqqa
oh well, there goes another 'promise'........uuuge surprise!

It wasn't personal when the US managed to royally fuck up Iraq getting potentially 1 million people killed?

No, I have an opinion, instead of someone like you who tries to shut people down with idiotic attacks. You don't have to like what I say, but you aren't going to get away with nonsense like that.
The US went to Iraq and caused chaos, they made a political vacuum that got potentially 1 million people killed. Perhaps 20-30 people get killed in Manchester and someone this is much worse than the US going and getting 1 million people killed. Sorry, my math isn't so good, but I'm thinking 1 million is much higher than 30.
Yes, 30 is a tragedy, but had Bush no invaded Iraq, then 1 million people in Iraq and 30 people in Manchester, and people in Brussels, Paris, Boston, San Bernadino etc etc would NOT BE DEAD.

Pop quiz: Name the religions of Bobby Joe Rogers, Ted Kaczynsky and Eric Rudolph.

Spoiler: Check answer here

Irrelevant

Dafuk does "Mecca" have to do with this? Nobody can answer that. Was anyone calling for "nuke the Vatican" after the Atlanta Olympics bombing? help ---- same thing.

Yuh huh. Member how Christianism was a world-domination plan masquerading as a religion" because Eric Rudolph was Catholic? Nor do I. Having it both ways --- priceless. Ignorant hacks.

Was England on trumps ban list ?

Can't speak for others but the quotes from me are, as I've already noted, entirely about logic. Specifically, calling out the fallacies rampant in this thread, which started not only before the proverbial bodies were cold but right there in the beginning.

To wit:

Can it be the religion of piss saying hello again?

To wit:

To wit:

Another love-letter from the Religion of Peace ( PeanutButterAndJelly Be Upon Him )...???

To wit:

Now now. We are talking about an Arianna I Hate America concert. Muslims would never bomb that donut licking american hating cvnt.

To wit:

Liberals will defend Islam till the death! Literally!

To wit:

Hospitals are reporting that the people's wounds are consistent with nail bomb attack.

Common Islamo tactic to lace the nails with rat poison should the victim survive the initial blast.

----- ALL of which were posted not only before I got here over a hundred posts in but also posted way before ANY details about the perp, including his name, were known at all.

--- along with several other posts not listed that superficially appeared as satire "it's the Amish"... "it's the Knights Templar" ... "it's the Hare Krishnas"... while simultaneously trying to sell the premise that "it's religion". Which is why I called out the dishonesty.

Member how you tried to twist my posts into --- what was your term --- "pet constituent religion", and then I challenged you to come up with any evidence at all of that, and had nothing, so you did a video dump to try to deflect it and then ran away? I sure do.

And it turned out it was a Jihadist, huh?!

Howboudah! And there was Pogo, spinning like a top and deflecting.

NOBODY in ANY of those quotes said anything about "Jihadism". *ALL* of them alluded to "religion". Including your own non sequitur. So bite me, I called out the fallacy and it's still a fallacy. You can whine and stomp your feet all you want, but there ain't a damn thing you can do about it. Except grow up and get past the simplistic argument-from-fallacy idiocy.

 

[Mindful]

............

Thanks for reminding us what this is about.

 

[Pogo]

I worked for a guy that was muslim. Sweetheart of a guy. Knew him for years cuz he owns a couple of the local mini markets and gas station where we used to live. One day I asked if he was hiring and he said sure. So..he hired me. But I noticed that one of his many cousins (they were all from Syria) was not counting money people would give him for money orders and told him they were not counting and they should cuz that 400 buck money order may be only 300 handed to him in cash. Oops. Women should know their place and never question another muslim..especially a family member. Sure enough..my til was short one day...and of course it had to be me..not the cousin clerk. He was not so sweet any more. He said women are to work, not comment on things beyond their understanding. And he fired me for theft. Funny thing that was not funny ha ha is...other women that worked for him later on they told him the same thing and were also fired.

No thanks. Sweet as pie. Until a female said the wrong thing to protect HIM and his business.

That's fucked up.
But it's patriarchy -- the idea of male domination. And that's a social construct, not a religious one, which is an important distinction. This one happens within and without Islam or any other religion, depending on cultural history.

I keep noting this over and over --- culture will always trump religion. If there's a conflict between the two, the cultural drive usually prevails. Religion is taught at the most from an early age when a child can understand communication in religious teachihng, but culture is taught from birth 24/7 in everything.

F'rinstance somebody yesterday brought up a hypothetical "honor killing". That's done by Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs, followers of other religions, and followers of no religion. All of those religions prohibit it. So again, where there's a conflict between religion and culture, the latter prevails unless the religion can muster up enough influence to stop it.

This particular cultural artifact (patriarchy) unfortunately is virtually universal worldwide.

It's craaaaaaaazy how you know all of this and the so called conservatives don't know it. They don't go to the same schools? They don't read the right books? Right sources? Or is it just FOX and Rush they listen to.

I grow up in a muslin country not once I've heard of honor killing and it's forbidden in Islam. It's purely cultural in some parts of the world and has nothing to do with religion.

I did study anthropology but it's nothing anyone can't find out IF they honestly want factual knowledge. But that's a big IF. I've posted the same point dozens of times over the years on these same pages but if it doesn't fit the hate agenda they just go and continue to wallow in their own ignorance.

 

[Issa]

Do you guys feEl the same , when Iraqi kidd were dying? I guess not, because they were brown kids in the middle of the desert.

 

[Mindful]

Meanwhile, the Police are searching for bomb factories in Manchester and other areas of England.

 

[Issa]

And have you also asked yourselves, why there are refugees in the 1st place? And who were those responsible for it and why?

 

[basquebromance]

Breaking. Katy Perry to perform open air concert in Raqqa to prove her theory that "open borders" are essential....

 

[Pogo]

I'm just glad I don't live among bigots like you. Life is good.

Delusional much? Justifying the killing of girls? Are you stable or you like to lie and believe yourself?

I do condemn all killings, I'm against all atrocities commuted by individuals, groups or states.
Is my English clear so far?
But we also need to recognize that Isis, AL qaeda flourished due to the chaos created in the Arab world by the west intervention.
Got it, or I can explain it in another language or manner?

There you go again justifying. Man, you are predictable you so called man of "peace". Lol!

I don't justify killing people. Like I said not one post did you flat out condemn the killings without adding a but. Not one and you have the nerve to call someone else a bigot? Give me a break, you have no credibility. I will flat out condemn any pretend Christian that kills an abortionist. I will flat out condemn anyone pretend Christian that causes the death of another living human. You add a but, see the difference?

His "but" does not refer to religion. It refers to "ISIS" (I call them DAESH), which is a radial political movement. He's making the distinction that you're refusing to make, because you're dishonest enough to traffic in Association Fallacies. As exemplified in your own example above ---

"I will flat out condemn any pretend Christian that kills an abortionist. I will flat out condemn anyone pretend Christian that causes the death of another living human."​

Sure, but you don't then try to plunk the blame on Christianity FOR those radicals. When it's your own backyard they become "pretend Christians". When "we" do it they're "outliers" -- when "they" do it they're faithfully executing the tenets of their religon.

That's having it both ways, and that's a Double Standard, and that's dishonest.

Issa's making the same distinction I've been making throughout this thread -- that Double Standard. Said this many times before, saying it again --- if you want to base your arguments on Association Fallacies then at least be consistent with it.

Extreme vetting is the answer of course. In this day and age it is necessary. Glad you support President Trump on that.

Greg

I didn't post anything about "extreme vetting" but it has been going on since Waaay before Rump started running his orange mouth trying to make the case that wasn't. So no I don't "support" Rump at all on his lying; I know better. I just don't support lying, period.

That's actually what the above post is about --- lying. The prior poster keeps making a claim he can't justify, and I keep calling him on it.