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Nice of you to throw conservative moral values out of the window to rationalize unreasonable bullshit arguments.
Morality is your PERSONAL choice in action... just as charity is (which you can't seem to get through your lying head)... it is not something forced upon you by big mommy government
Nice try.... guess it still stings that you got caught out for attempting to change the subject when your bullshit was brought to light
So let me get this straight, if some thug is robbing and ass raping your dumbass in an alley and I happened to stand there and watch without offering an assistance or help because I'm not paid to do so I would be justified, right, because morally speaking its my personal choice to stand there and watch you get ass raped, robbed and left for dead, right? It would be charity to help you, right?
Funny thing was, this was not like that case you just made up out of the blue... nice try at the smoke screen though
The fire department did not provide a service of fire extinguishing of a private residence that did not pay for services like everyone else, when there were no lives at stake (and don't give me that Animal Rights Nazi pets bullshit)... Lest you forget that this person had a history of not paying, this person was doing stupid shit, and that this person is ultimately responsible for their own personal needs for their property... they knew there was not taxpayer paid fire protection system in their portion of the county.. and they knew the protection of $75 was to be paid to provide it (at a much cheaper rate than what increased taxation would be to fund a fully operational firehouse in a lesser populated area with a smaller amount of taxpayers)...
This person rolled the dice and lost his bet on his personal property... nothing more
What you don't know is that person's ability to pay. As I said, $75 might seem like chump change to most, but for many it could be their monthly food allowance, or the difference between having their gas turned off, or doing without some needed medicine for a month.
It still comes down to whether critical emergency services should only be provided to those who can afford to pay for it. Your position, no matter how much you try to tap dance, is that if you can't afford it, fuck you.
The person offered $75 on the spot... and much like anything else, car insurance, cable bill, etc.... it is your responsibility to take care of your needs as a home owner
My position is you protect your own stuff... and if the community can support a system of its own and then goes thru proper legislation to do so (and it meets constitutional muster, whether it be federal or state), then so be it.... a small community cannot usually afford a full service and contracting out to a neighboring community for fee, or partake of the use of a VFD that uses donations for protection... and legislation would be needed to require intervention for a private residence or property to receive services without payment, protecting the service provider and laying out compensation consequences for no voluntary participation...
Sorry bubba.. many communities rely on the exact same setup... and my guess would be you have some in every one of those communities who gamble thinking that someone will take up the responsibility for them... but with every form of gambling, you can lose.. .which this guy did... if he wanted community protection, he had the choice of moving to an area that had it set up in the tax base.. and we KNOW he knew exactly how the system ran in his area from his previous encounter where he received an exemption...
What you don't know is that person's ability to pay. As I said, $75 might seem like chump change to most, but for many it could be their monthly food allowance, or the difference between having their gas turned off, or doing without some needed medicine for a month.
It still comes down to whether critical emergency services should only be provided to those who can afford to pay for it. Your position, no matter how much you try to tap dance, is that if you can't afford it, fuck you.
The person offered $75 on the spot... and much like anything else, car insurance, cable bill, etc.... it is your responsibility to take care of your needs as a home owner
My position is you protect your own stuff... and if the community can support a system of its own and then goes thru proper legislation to do so (and it meets constitutional muster, whether it be federal or state), then so be it.... a small community cannot usually afford a full service and contracting out to a neighboring community for fee, or partake of the use of a VFD that uses donations for protection... and legislation would be needed to require intervention for a private residence or property to receive services without payment, protecting the service provider and laying out compensation consequences for no voluntary participation...
Sorry bubba.. many communities rely on the exact same setup... and my guess would be you have some in every one of those communities who gamble thinking that someone will take up the responsibility for them... but with every form of gambling, you can lose.. .which this guy did... if he wanted community protection, he had the choice of moving to an area that had it set up in the tax base.. and we KNOW he knew exactly how the system ran in his area from his previous encounter where he received an exemption...
More than $75 was offered. Neighbors came with an open checkbook offering to pay whatever it costs to put the fire out.
The question is ...how much of a "gotcha" game should municipalities play? Do you cut off someones electricity if they need it for life support?
Allowing someones house to burn down over a $75 fee is petty.
Look at all these mothereffin Hedonistic RWers.
They won't stop until EVERYTHING is privatized.
I'm sorry you're poor and don't have food to feed your children, EFF YOU PAY ME!!
Oh izzat yo house burnin down?....EFF YOU PAY ME!!!
Whats that? Somebody's beating the everlovin daylights out of you in broad day light? EFF YOU PAY ME!!!
Some Big Business just took advantage of you and bamboozled you out of your life savings? EFF YOU PAY ME!!!
Ooops...your mother died from ingesting deregulated food in a place of commerce? EFF you PAY ME!!!
When will the American Public get the idea in their skulls that the RepubliCON$ and RWers in this country don't give a DAMN about anyone or anything but their pockets.
Their motto should be..."We don't care. PAY ME!! GIMME, GIMME, GIMME!!!"
Look at all these mothereffin Hedonistic RWers.
They won't stop until EVERYTHING is privatized.
I'm sorry you're poor and don't have food to feed your children, EFF YOU PAY ME!!
Oh izzat yo house burnin down?....EFF YOU PAY ME!!!
Whats that? Somebody's beating the everlovin daylights out of you in broad day light? EFF YOU PAY ME!!!
Some Big Business just took advantage of you and bamboozled you out of your life savings? EFF YOU PAY ME!!!
Ooops...your mother died from ingesting deregulated food in a place of commerce? EFF you PAY ME!!!
When will the American Public get the idea in their skulls that the RepubliCON$ and RWers in this country don't give a DAMN about anyone or anything but their pockets.
Their motto should be..."We don't care. PAY ME!! GIMME, GIMME, GIMME!!!"
Look at all these mothereffin Hedonistic RWers.
They won't stop until EVERYTHING is privatized.
I'm sorry you're poor and don't have food to feed your children, EFF YOU PAY ME!!
Oh izzat yo house burnin down?....EFF YOU PAY ME!!!
Whats that? Somebody's beating the everlovin daylights out of you in broad day light? EFF YOU PAY ME!!!
Some Big Business just took advantage of you and bamboozled you out of your life savings? EFF YOU PAY ME!!!
Ooops...your mother died from ingesting deregulated food in a place of commerce? EFF you PAY ME!!!
When will the American Public get the idea in their skulls that the RepubliCON$ and RWers in this country don't give a DAMN about anyone or anything but their pockets.
Their motto should be..."We don't care. PAY ME!! GIMME, GIMME, GIMME!!!"
I agree that privatization of everything is bad as you state but that is not what is going on here. This community does not want tax dollars spent on fire protection and that is their right. Forcing socialized fire protection is the same as forcing privatization but that seems to be the call here. The fire department was doing their job.
You can't have it both ways. Why is itmy responsibility to pay for my health care insurance at 1K a month and also for the person that is unwilling to work? Granted, many people can not work and they need subsidies but subsidizing the fire protection of someone that is under a PRIVATE fire department is not going to ensure the viablilty of the current fire department and the future ability to keep the doors open.
Put that man's fire out and NO ONE will pay the $75.
The scary part is that if you folks do not know that the fact that this man attempted to pay
AFTER THE FACT is a completely bogus reason to have put the fire out you know nothing of how the current moocher class has been operating for years.
"I made an F, the teacher is unfair and would not allow me to re-take the test"
No cry babies.
This is stupid, of course it's their right to watch the house burn
Of course he gambled and lost
Of course he should've paid the $75
But all of that has nothing to with what is wrong and right, standing there watching someone's house burn down is wrong.
This is stupid, of course it's their right to watch the house burn
Of course he gambled and lost
Of course he should've paid the $75
But all of that has nothing to with what is wrong and right, standing there watching someone's house burn down is wrong.
I think the larger issue is the sick belief that only those who can afford emergency service are entitled to them.
Wanna know what a conservative only world looks like? Look no further than Obion County, Tennessee:
Firefighters watch as home burns to the ground | WPSD Local 6 - News, Sports, Weather - Paducah KY | LocalImagine your home catches fire but the local fire department wont respond, then watches it burn. Thats exactly what happened to a local family tonight. A local neighborhood is furious after firefighters watched as an Obion County, Tennessee, home burned to the ground.
The homeowner, Gene Cranick, said he offered to pay whatever it would take for firefighters to put out the flames, but was told it was too late. They wouldnt do anything to stop his house from burning. Each year, Obion County residents must pay $75 if they want fire protection from the city of South Fulton. But the Cranicks did not pay. The mayor said if homeowners dont pay, theyre out of luck. [...]
We asked the mayor of South Fulton if the chief could have made an exception. Anybody thats not in the city of South Fulton, its a service we offer, either they accept it or they dont, Mayor David Crocker said.
As ThinkProgress points out:
A local newspaper further pressed Mayor Crocker about the citys policy, which has been in place since 1990. Crocker, a Republican who was elected in 2008 and serves with a county commission where every seat is also filled by a Republican, likened the policy to buying auto insurance
Just one prime example of the difference between the way conservatives govern and the way progressives govern.
As TP put it:
One, the conservative vision, believes in the on-your-own society, and informs a policy agenda that primarily serves the well off and privileged sectors of the country. The other vision, the progressive one, believes in an American Dream that works for all people, regardless of their racial, religious, or economic background.
Think Progress Tennessee Countys Subscription-Based Firefighters Watch As Family Home Burns Down
That's the choice we have this november- The conservative fend-for-yourself (besides the companies that ship jobs overseas) choice, or the liberal I-am-my-brothers-keeper choice.
This is stupid, of course it's their right to watch the house burn
Of course he gambled and lost
Of course he should've paid the $75
But all of that has nothing to with what is wrong and right, standing there watching someone's house burn down is wrong.
I think the larger issue is the sick belief that only those who can afford emergency service are entitled to them.
This is stupid, of course it's their right to watch the house burn
Of course he gambled and lost
Of course he should've paid the $75
But all of that has nothing to with what is wrong and right, standing there watching someone's house burn down is wrong.
I think the larger issue is the sick belief that only those who can afford emergency service are entitled to them.
Or maybe the sick belief that you are owed something at the expense of others for your own personal responsibilities, upkeep, or well being
This is stupid, of course it's their right to watch the house burn
Of course he gambled and lost
Of course he should've paid the $75
But all of that has nothing to with what is wrong and right, standing there watching someone's house burn down is wrong.
I think the larger issue is the sick belief that only those who can afford emergency service are entitled to them.
Or maybe the sick belief that you are owed something at the expense of others for your own personal responsibilities, upkeep, or well being
This is stupid, of course it's their right to watch the house burn
Of course he gambled and lost
Of course he should've paid the $75
But all of that has nothing to with what is wrong and right, standing there watching someone's house burn down is wrong.
I agree that privatization of everything is bad as you state but that is not what is going on here. This community does not want tax dollars spent on fire protection and that is their right. Forcing socialized fire protection is the same as forcing privatization but that seems to be the call here. The fire department was doing their job.
You can't have it both ways. Why is itmy responsibility to pay for my health care insurance at 1K a month and also for the person that is unwilling to work? Granted, many people can not work and they need subsidies but subsidizing the fire protection of someone that is under a PRIVATE fire department is not going to ensure the viablilty of the current fire department and the future ability to keep the doors open.
Put that man's fire out and NO ONE will pay the $75.
The scary part is that if you folks do not know that the fact that this man attempted to pay
AFTER THE FACT is a completely bogus reason to have put the fire out you know nothing of how the current moocher class has been operating for years.
"I made an F, the teacher is unfair and would not allow me to re-take the test"
No cry babies.
Yes...government run by people that hate government.Look at all these mothereffin Hedonistic RWers.
They won't stop until EVERYTHING is privatized.
I'm sorry you're poor and don't have food to feed your children, EFF YOU PAY ME!!
Oh izzat yo house burnin down?....EFF YOU PAY ME!!!
Whats that? Somebody's beating the everlovin daylights out of you in broad day light? EFF YOU PAY ME!!!
Some Big Business just took advantage of you and bamboozled you out of your life savings? EFF YOU PAY ME!!!
Ooops...your mother died from ingesting deregulated food in a place of commerce? EFF you PAY ME!!!
When will the American Public get the idea in their skulls that the RepubliCON$ and RWers in this country don't give a DAMN about anyone or anything but their pockets.
Their motto should be..."We don't care. PAY ME!! GIMME, GIMME, GIMME!!!"
Oops, this was a government run fire department?
