Firefighters Watch As House Burns Down

[Dick Tuck]

You seem to want to impose your value and finance system on them. Facts are a problem for you too apparently. This plan has been in place 20 years. The people who, "conceived it" are probably not in office. A guy lost his home because he didn't follow rules and someone in his family started a fire. Now, the "community" can look at this and decide for themselves if or how to make changes.

Impose? No, shame those who believe that emergency service should be made available to only those who can afford it, would be a better description of my position.

Suit yourself. It still is a value judgement on your part. By the way, five of the eight fire departments do handle fires without affordibility as a factor. They didn't show up either.

It's my values, attitudes, and belief that people should have access to emergency services regardless of their ability to pay. You're correct, that's my ethic.

 

[DiamondDave]

Good for you... in our little area, you don't donate, you get a huge bill and you do not inherently get every service... but we have our services listed out... this motherfucker KNEW the deal as he has been thru it before when he had the waiver.. he gambled, he lost.. too bad, too sad... and if his county or neighborhood or whatever wants to look into revamping, more power to them... but in his current and KNOWN system, he knew the drill, and he gambled, and he lost.... the only one at fault for his situation is himself

What are you talking about?? I used to live down there. You have the Montgomery County Fire Department on Falls Road, and then you also have the Cabin John FD. Yes, the property taxes in Potomac are high, but the homes are some of the largest in the country, and the owners are some of the wealthiest in the country--unless you're living in the Scotland or Tobeytown areas. You also have the benefit of the County police services. So what is it that you're implying you don't get unless you pay for it?

He lives in the Potomac area, and he's making that claim???? What a joke. Potomac gets more public services than Capitol Heights. Even the gated communities in that area use the public professional and volunteer departments, who don't bill for service.

I do not live in Montgomery county... a little too close for DC for me in terms of residence... but nice try you 2....

I pay donations into the volunteer FD... I have only county sheriff and state police (no local police) in the area where i live...

You see.. reading comprehension is a good thing... On the Potomac does not mean the area named Potomac

Moron

 

[Gadawg73]

We have county property taxes here and something called special millages. These millages cover thing outside of the general county expenditures. There is a senior services, ambulance service and 911 millage.

I assume the public in this TN county could petition to have the question placed on the ballot and then vote for the method you suggest. For some reason they haven't.

I also hope this community votes out of office every brain dead moron who conceived this plan. I don't even know how they can call a place like this a "community". When 9/11 happened rescue workers from all over the country, and many other parts of the world, kicked in their resources to assist in the rescue and recovery. Similar things happened in the San Francisco earthquake and various forest and wild fires. They asked no fee for that, and ate the costs. That's community. This little piece of earth is something altogether different.

What you fail to add is that this community WILL assist all other emergencies including anyone in burning homes THAT HAVE NOT paid the $75.00.
Property is another matter and people ARE NOT entitled to have their property insured FOR NOTHING.
For the life of me it amazes me how intelligent people can not understand that.

 

[DiamondDave]

Allegheny, Washington, Frederick, Montgomery, Prince George's, Calvert, Charles, and Saint Mary's counties all depend mostly on volunteer fire fighting. In not a single one of those cases do they deny services to anyone who didn't ante up for their donation drives (well they do put orange stickers on your mailbox, so they don't rehassle you), or attended their casino nights or crab feasts.

I'm also served by a volunteer fire department, btw. And the few times I needed service, they were there in a flash and there was no one who questioned whether I contributed to their last drive.

Good for you... in our little area, you don't donate, you get a huge bill and you do not inherently get every service... but we have our services listed out... this motherfucker KNEW the deal as he has been thru it before when he had the waiver.. he gambled, he lost.. too bad, too sad... and if his county or neighborhood or whatever wants to look into revamping, more power to them... but in his current and KNOWN system, he knew the drill, and he gambled, and he lost.... the only one at fault for his situation is himself

Your position still is, that if you can't afford emergency services aren't entitled to them. Does your community deny fire services because they didn't have the cash to pay for the last EMT bill?

BTW, I know MD along the Potomac pretty well, and think you're bullshitting about getting huge bills if a fire department puts out a fire in your home.

Evidently, you don't know shit from shinola

If you are not a contributor, you can and will be charged for certain services... we've had an incident about 4 streets over with a non-contributor... and they were indeed charged for the rescue services rendered (we have not had a fire in our neighborhood since we have lived here for the past 11 years)

 

[Gadawg73]

That's most often a community conferred right, when it comes to emergency services like police and fire protection. I would raise holy hell if my community demanded that only individuals who could afford emergency fire fighting services receive it. Call me a commie for that position. Hell call everyone who believes that fire fighting ought to be a basic service in their community, regardless of who can pay for it, a commie.

It'd be interesting if one day this community were in need of outside help for something like a wild fire, and the surrounding areas demanded money up front. That would be real karma.

Again... can a smaller community or rural part of a county fund a full fire department??? Many times not... which is why you have VFD (as in the rural area I live in) or contracts with nearby townships or other government agencies.... And likewise we have no local police, but have reliance on the systems we do pay taxes into, being the county sheriff or the state police... and it is a KNOWN choice we make living in the area that we do....

This guy gambled and lost, and YOU KNOW he gambled and lost.. and you still want governmental coddling at the expense of those who do contribute or of taxpayer dollars... despicable

The county has over 32,000 people, and has eight schools and a public park it maintains. I think they should be able to find the funding (there are federal and state funds which also go into fire and rescue services) to maintain their own fire system. Certainly with that number of schools it should be considered a critical need in the community.

The schools are covered so what is your point? How do they "find the funding"??
Again, where is this $$ tree and is it ready to blossom?
"He huffed and he puffed and he blew that house down" at your local library.

 

[DiamondDave]

We have county property taxes here and something called special millages. These millages cover thing outside of the general county expenditures. There is a senior services, ambulance service and 911 millage.

I assume the public in this TN county could petition to have the question placed on the ballot and then vote for the method you suggest. For some reason they haven't.

I also hope this community votes out of office every brain dead moron who conceived this plan. I don't even know how they can call a place like this a "community". When 9/11 happened rescue workers from all over the country, and many other parts of the world, kicked in their resources to assist in the rescue and recovery. Similar things happened in the San Francisco earthquake and various forest and wild fires. They asked no fee for that, and ate the costs. That's community. This little piece of earth is something altogether different.

What you fail to add is that this community WILL assist all other emergencies including anyone in burning homes THAT HAVE NOT paid the $75.00.
Property is another matter and people ARE NOT entitled to have their property insured FOR NOTHING.
For the life of me it amazes me how intelligent people can not understand that.

The key is, you are not dealing with an intelligent person when conversing with Dick Suck.. you are dealing with a troll

 

[Dick Tuck]

What are you talking about?? I used to live down there. You have the Montgomery County Fire Department on Falls Road, and then you also have the Cabin John FD. Yes, the property taxes in Potomac are high, but the homes are some of the largest in the country, and the owners are some of the wealthiest in the country--unless you're living in the Scotland or Tobeytown areas. You also have the benefit of the County police services. So what is it that you're implying you don't get unless you pay for it?

He lives in the Potomac area, and he's making that claim???? What a joke. Potomac gets more public services than Capitol Heights. Even the gated communities in that area use the public professional and volunteer departments, who don't bill for service.

I do not live in Montgomery county... a little too close for DC for me in terms of residence... but nice try you 2....

I pay donations into the volunteer FD... I have only county sheriff and state police (no local police) in the area where i live...

You see.. reading comprehension is a good thing... On the Potomac does not mean the area named Potomac

Moron

OK, so you pay donations, just like I do, and you get services whether you can afford them or not. But you claimed that you're billed for emergency services. I still call bullshit on that.

Here's what you claimed:

Good for you... in our little area, you don't donate, you get a huge bill and you do not inherently get every service... but we have our services listed out...

So you don't donate, but you donate. But then again, according to you, I'm a moron without reading comprehension. Perhaps it's your pulling shit out of your butt that has you confused.

 

[DiamondDave]

He lives in the Potomac area, and he's making that claim???? What a joke. Potomac gets more public services than Capitol Heights. Even the gated communities in that area use the public professional and volunteer departments, who don't bill for service.

I do not live in Montgomery county... a little too close for DC for me in terms of residence... but nice try you 2....

I pay donations into the volunteer FD... I have only county sheriff and state police (no local police) in the area where i live...

You see.. reading comprehension is a good thing... On the Potomac does not mean the area named Potomac

Moron

OK, so you pay donations, just like I do, and you get services whether you can afford them or not. But you claimed that you're billed for emergency services. I still call bullshit on that.

Here's what you claimed:

Good for you... in our little area, you don't donate, you get a huge bill and you do not inherently get every service... but we have our services listed out...

So you don't donate, but you donate. But then again, according to you, I'm a moron without reading comprehension. Perhaps it's your pulling shit out of your butt that has you confused.

That is right... you do not inherently get every service that is in the package for the ones who donate... we had a neighbor be rescued from his car and was indeed charged a fee for the services because he was NOT a member/those who donate... I believe he was given a bill for somewhere in the range of $500 but I am unsure on the exact amount... but the person was not charged for the sheriff that showed up on the scene for that is indeed paid by the county taxes paid

Again.. your reading comprehension is atrocious... I never said ANYWHERE that I do not donate...

In our area, you don't donate, you get a huge bill, do not necessarily get every service.... replace the first comma with the word 'if' and the second comma with the word 'then' and rub your 2 little braincells together and you can figure out what the sentence means...

 

[Dick Tuck]

He lives in the Potomac area, and he's making that claim???? What a joke. Potomac gets more public services than Capitol Heights. Even the gated communities in that area use the public professional and volunteer departments, who don't bill for service.

I do not live in Montgomery county... a little too close for DC for me in terms of residence... but nice try you 2....

I pay donations into the volunteer FD... I have only county sheriff and state police (no local police) in the area where i live...

You see.. reading comprehension is a good thing... On the Potomac does not mean the area named Potomac

Moron

OK, so you pay donations, just like I do, and you get services whether you can afford them or not. But you claimed that you're billed for emergency services. I still call bullshit on that.

Here's what you claimed:

Good for you... in our little area, you don't donate, you get a huge bill and you do not inherently get every service... but we have our services listed out...

So you don't donate, but you donate. But then again, according to you, I'm a moron without reading comprehension. Perhaps it's your pulling shit out of your butt that has you confused.

This post was negatively repped by user boedicca, who's too big a coward to just debate, and would rather hide behind her whored rep points, to snipe. What a pathetic pissant she is.

 

[boedicca]

DT is just another garden variety internet troll who travels from board to board on a pathetic quest for negative attention, cuz it's the only kind he is able to get.

 

[judyd]

I do not live in Montgomery county... a little too close for DC for me in terms of residence... but nice try you 2....

I pay donations into the volunteer FD... I have only county sheriff and state police (no local police) in the area where i live...

You see.. reading comprehension is a good thing... On the Potomac does not mean the area named Potomac

Moron

OK, so you pay donations, just like I do, and you get services whether you can afford them or not. But you claimed that you're billed for emergency services. I still call bullshit on that.

Here's what you claimed:

Good for you... in our little area, you don't donate, you get a huge bill and you do not inherently get every service... but we have our services listed out...

So you don't donate, but you donate. But then again, according to you, I'm a moron without reading comprehension. Perhaps it's your pulling shit out of your butt that has you confused.

That is right... you do not inherently get every service that is in the package for the ones who donate... we had a neighbor be rescued from his car and was indeed charged a fee for the services because he was NOT a member/those who donate... I believe he was given a bill for somewhere in the range of $500 but I am unsure on the exact amount... but the person was not charged for the sheriff that showed up on the scene for that is indeed paid by the county taxes paid

Again.. your reading comprehension is atrocious... I never said ANYWHERE that I do not donate...

In our area, you don't donate, you get a huge bill, do not necessarily get every service.... replace the first comma with the word 'if' and the second comma with the word 'then' and rub your 2 little braincells together and you can figure out what the sentence means...

You're being deliberately evasive because you are well aware that if you actually named the area where you live it could be easily checked.

Our FD also charges a person's insurance company if they have to transport the person to the hospital, but if the insurance doesn't pay, they don't bill the individual. And this area of the Eastern Shore is also considered "rural", but at least we have sensible systems in place to make sure the community is well protected by fire and police.

 

[Dick Tuck]

I do not live in Montgomery county... a little too close for DC for me in terms of residence... but nice try you 2....

I pay donations into the volunteer FD... I have only county sheriff and state police (no local police) in the area where i live...

You see.. reading comprehension is a good thing... On the Potomac does not mean the area named Potomac

Moron

OK, so you pay donations, just like I do, and you get services whether you can afford them or not. But you claimed that you're billed for emergency services. I still call bullshit on that.

Here's what you claimed:

Good for you... in our little area, you don't donate, you get a huge bill and you do not inherently get every service... but we have our services listed out...

So you don't donate, but you donate. But then again, according to you, I'm a moron without reading comprehension. Perhaps it's your pulling shit out of your butt that has you confused.

That is right... you do not inherently get every service that is in the package for the ones who donate... we had a neighbor be rescued from his car and was indeed charged a fee for the services because he was NOT a member/those who donate... I believe he was given a bill for somewhere in the range of $500 but I am unsure on the exact amount... but the person was not charged for the sheriff that showed up on the scene for that is indeed paid by the county taxes paid

Again.. your reading comprehension is atrocious... I never said ANYWHERE that I do not donate...

In our area, you don't donate, you get a huge bill, do not necessarily get every service.... replace the first comma with the word 'if' and the second comma with the word 'then' and rub your 2 little braincells together and you can figure out what the sentence means...

Like I say, I know the Potomac area of the state pretty damn well, and call bullshit.

And yes, that's exactly what you said:

Good for you... in our little area, you don't donate, you get a huge bill and you do not inherently get every service... but we have our services listed out... this motherfucker KNEW the deal as he has been thru it before when he had the waiver.. he gambled, he lost.. too bad, too sad... and if his county or neighborhood or whatever wants to look into revamping, more power to them... but in his current and KNOWN system, he knew the drill, and he gambled, and he lost.... the only one at fault for his situation is himself

 

[saveliberty]

I could neg rep you for being a jerk, your call.

 

[bodecea]

I could neg rep you for being a jerk, your call.

Who are you talking to, Liberty?

 

[DiamondDave]

OK, so you pay donations, just like I do, and you get services whether you can afford them or not. But you claimed that you're billed for emergency services. I still call bullshit on that.

Here's what you claimed:



So you don't donate, but you donate. But then again, according to you, I'm a moron without reading comprehension. Perhaps it's your pulling shit out of your butt that has you confused.

That is right... you do not inherently get every service that is in the package for the ones who donate... we had a neighbor be rescued from his car and was indeed charged a fee for the services because he was NOT a member/those who donate... I believe he was given a bill for somewhere in the range of $500 but I am unsure on the exact amount... but the person was not charged for the sheriff that showed up on the scene for that is indeed paid by the county taxes paid

Again.. your reading comprehension is atrocious... I never said ANYWHERE that I do not donate...

In our area, you don't donate, you get a huge bill, do not necessarily get every service.... replace the first comma with the word 'if' and the second comma with the word 'then' and rub your 2 little braincells together and you can figure out what the sentence means...

Like I say, I know the Potomac area of the state pretty damn well, and call bullshit.

And yes, that's exactly what you said:

Good for you... in our little area, you don't donate, you get a huge bill and you do not inherently get every service... but we have our services listed out... this motherfucker KNEW the deal as he has been thru it before when he had the waiver.. he gambled, he lost.. too bad, too sad... and if his county or neighborhood or whatever wants to look into revamping, more power to them... but in his current and KNOWN system, he knew the drill, and he gambled, and he lost.... the only one at fault for his situation is himself

As I said.. for those like you who cannot comprehend... replace the first comma with the word 'if' and the second comma with the word 'then' and rub your 2 little braincells together and you can figure out what the sentence means...

Notice it did not say I DO NOT DONATE....

Notice I did not say in my profile that I lived in Potomac MD but in MD on the Potomac http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potomac_River The river is approximately 383 statute miles (616 km) long

My God you are retarded

And I think I know my area, my tiny town that I have been living in for 11 years, and my neighborhood quite well.. thank you...

 

[Dick Tuck]

DT is just another garden variety internet troll who travels from board to board on a pathetic quest for negative attention, cuz it's the only kind he is able to get.

And this pathetic little flame has what do with the argument, by the right, that only those who can afford emergency services should receive them. That's what some adults were discussing, before your little tantrum.

 

[Dick Tuck]

That is right... you do not inherently get every service that is in the package for the ones who donate... we had a neighbor be rescued from his car and was indeed charged a fee for the services because he was NOT a member/those who donate... I believe he was given a bill for somewhere in the range of $500 but I am unsure on the exact amount... but the person was not charged for the sheriff that showed up on the scene for that is indeed paid by the county taxes paid

Again.. your reading comprehension is atrocious... I never said ANYWHERE that I do not donate...

In our area, you don't donate, you get a huge bill, do not necessarily get every service.... replace the first comma with the word 'if' and the second comma with the word 'then' and rub your 2 little braincells together and you can figure out what the sentence means...

Like I say, I know the Potomac area of the state pretty damn well, and call bullshit.

And yes, that's exactly what you said:

Good for you... in our little area, you don't donate, you get a huge bill and you do not inherently get every service... but we have our services listed out... this motherfucker KNEW the deal as he has been thru it before when he had the waiver.. he gambled, he lost.. too bad, too sad... and if his county or neighborhood or whatever wants to look into revamping, more power to them... but in his current and KNOWN system, he knew the drill, and he gambled, and he lost.... the only one at fault for his situation is himself

As I said.. for those like you who cannot comprehend... replace the first comma with the word 'if' and the second comma with the word 'then' and rub your 2 little braincells together and you can figure out what the sentence means...

Notice it did not say I DO NOT DONATE....

Notice I did not say in my profile that I lived in Potomac MD but in MD on the Potomac Potomac River - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia The river is approximately 383 statute miles (616 km) long

My God you are retarded

And I think I know my area, my tiny town that I have been living in for 11 years, and my neighborhood quite well.. thank you...

Insertion of the word "if" completely changes the meaning, so it's pretty stupid claiming I'm the one with a reading comprehension problem, when you can't write. I still think you're making stuff up. Are you claiming that if I had a car accident in your "community" I'd be billed for rescue service? If I rented a house in your area, I would be billed if I didn't "donate"? I still call bullshit on that one.

I'm talking exclusively about emergency service only, and not some non-emergency service like an ambulance ride home from a hospital, which many places charge for.

 

[ABikerSailor]

You know.......how many people here have forgotten to pay a bill that only comes once a year and is less than a hundred bucks?

Many of us have. Only instead of getting a late notice, they watched his house burn down.

They should have let him pay the 75 bucks and saved his house.

 

[DiamondDave]

OK, so you pay donations, just like I do, and you get services whether you can afford them or not. But you claimed that you're billed for emergency services. I still call bullshit on that.

Here's what you claimed:



So you don't donate, but you donate. But then again, according to you, I'm a moron without reading comprehension. Perhaps it's your pulling shit out of your butt that has you confused.

That is right... you do not inherently get every service that is in the package for the ones who donate... we had a neighbor be rescued from his car and was indeed charged a fee for the services because he was NOT a member/those who donate... I believe he was given a bill for somewhere in the range of $500 but I am unsure on the exact amount... but the person was not charged for the sheriff that showed up on the scene for that is indeed paid by the county taxes paid

Again.. your reading comprehension is atrocious... I never said ANYWHERE that I do not donate...

In our area, you don't donate, you get a huge bill, do not necessarily get every service.... replace the first comma with the word 'if' and the second comma with the word 'then' and rub your 2 little braincells together and you can figure out what the sentence means...

You're being deliberately evasive because you are well aware that if you actually named the area where you live it could be easily checked.

Our FD also charges a person's insurance company if they have to transport the person to the hospital, but if the insurance doesn't pay, they don't bill the individual. And this area of the Eastern Shore is also considered "rural", but at least we have sensible systems in place to make sure the community is well protected by fire and police.

I have defined where I live... it is YOU who tried to ASSume that I live in the area known as Potomac near Bethesda... and while I can drive a decent distance to get there, I do not live in Potomac but in a place ON the Potomac with less than 75 homes

What your FD does or has done is on your community, their rules, what legislation allows, etc...

We are quite happy with the sheriff's department, state police, and our little VFD.. and happy to support thru donation and fundraiser

 

[DiamondDave]

You know.......how many people here have forgotten to pay a bill that only comes once a year and is less than a hundred bucks?

Many of us have. Only instead of getting a late notice, they watched his house burn down.

They should have let him pay the 75 bucks and saved his house.

He had a waiver before.... appears he is quite aware of the way things operate in his area...

Do I think they could have saved his house? Yep... I also personally think that he should have been charged for every manhour, every drop of water, every bit of equipment maintenance, every resource used, etc... but his community and his VFD organization made the agreement and set the rules.... he is not forced to live there and if he did not like it, he has the freedom to move... IMHO seems quite evident that he was trying to milk one off the system again like he did in the past.. a leech.. and the leech made his bet and the dice came up snake eyes