From each according to his ability, to each according to his ability

[editec]

The money changers were making the average Jew PAY them to practice their faith...they were profiting from religion....

This is why Christ was so upset and why they defiled the temple according to Christ.

Spot on.

And by attacking the money changers, Jesus was in fact attacking the Priests of the Temple who profited from those money changers.

Why do we think they crucified the poor fellow?

Because of some religious dogma?

Not hardly.

He was a real threat to their lovely monopoly of the Levites who were the only tribe allowed to become Priests at the temple.

He was, quite obviously, a threat to the status quo.

 

[AllieBaba]

Just because you know the scripture doesn't make you an expert, Shogun. You just dont' get that.

 

[Ravi]

I could be wrong, but I don't remember Dave trying to justify anything using a belief in God. If he did, then he was wrong to do it, as the constitution isn't a biblical text.

 

[Shogun]

Just because you know the scripture doesn't make you an expert, Shogun. You just dont' get that.

oh I get it, baba... and thats what makes me so effective.

 

[Anguille]

thats pretty much the key point. Jebus's message wasn't a matter of the physical world. I can post half a dozen quotes from the man letting us know how far up the hierarchy was accumulated wealth versus charity. AND, given that it's HIS WORD, and not the free will to trade criteria for salvation according to what one thinks is more important, i'd say that ole Dave misses the mark by a WIDE margin.


come on, Dave... put your lil spiritual armor on and show this rabid atheist that he can't bludgeon you about the head and neck with your own holy book.

Hey Shogun, just curious, were you raised in a religion or is your family atheist as well? You seem to know a lot more about the Bible than the average person.

 

[Shogun]

im, uh, like.. uh, the antichrist or something....

yea.

 

[editec]

im, uh, like.. uh, the antichrist or something....

yea.

You are?

Funny, I always pictured that you'd be much taller.

 

[Care4all]

You are?

Funny, I always pictured that you'd be much taller.

shoot, you just trigered something, isn't the antichrist suppose to be stout?

 

[DiamondDave]

thats pretty much the key point. Jebus's message wasn't a matter of the physical world. I can post half a dozen quotes from the man letting us know how far up the hierarchy was accumulated wealth versus charity. AND, given that it's HIS WORD, and not the free will to trade criteria for salvation according to what one thinks is more important, i'd say that ole Dave misses the mark by a WIDE margin.


come on, Dave... put your lil spiritual armor on and show this rabid atheist that he can't bludgeon you about the head and neck with your own holy book.

I can put out quotes for most anything... and just because you can post a quote or a passage does not mean you really know crap about the teaching or the belief... oooh, and really hard to find contradictory quotes or quotes taken out of context in the Bible...

Personally I don't choose to argue beliefs with some atheist who basically believes in nothing more then them self... an athiest giving insight into biblical teachings is like John Wayne Gacy giving insight into child care

 

[Anguille]

I can put out quotes for most anything... and just because you can post a quote or a passage does not mean you really know crap about the teaching or the belief... oooh, and really hard to find contradictory quotes or quotes taken out of context in the Bible...

Personally I don't choose to argue beliefs with some atheist who basically believes in nothing more then them self... an athiest giving insight into biblical teachings is like John Wayne Gacy giving insight into child care

How do you feel about Catholics interpreting the Koran?

 

[Annie]

How do you feel about Catholics interpreting the Koran?

How do you feel about Islamicists interpreting Western ideology?

 

[Shogun]

I can put out quotes for most anything... and just because you can post a quote or a passage does not mean you really know crap about the teaching or the belief... oooh, and really hard to find contradictory quotes or quotes taken out of context in the Bible...

Personally I don't choose to argue beliefs with some atheist who basically believes in nothing more then them self... an athiest giving insight into biblical teachings is like John Wayne Gacy giving insight into child care

of COURSE you don't. Because you are a giant pussy who couldn't support his biblical opinion if a goddamn angel were whispering hints on your shoulder.

:Lol:

and no, One CANNOT find quotes or passages on almost anything. Especially when it comes to the specific fucking RED LETTERED QUOTES from your goddamn messiah. OUT OF CONTEXT? Does this mean you wanna play ball, bitch? PLEASE, show this evil atheist how strong your armor of god is and take the pepsi fucking challenge, dude.

It doesn't take faith in god to quote your fucking bible or comprehend how absolutely laughable it is to see a self professed "christain" insist that one can find passages to support the accumulation of wealth OVER the application of charity.


I'll be here anytime you wanna get pwned, pussy. You, sir, are the exact illustration why it takes more than wearing the fucking T Shirt to be saved.

 

[Anguille]

How do you feel about Islamicists interpreting Western ideology?

I think everything is open to interpretation by anyone. Sometimes you can learn something new from someone on the outside.

 

[Tristan]

pssst....Jesus didn't write the constitution. Why is he even involved in this argument?

I haven't a clue myself. LOL

Maybe because it's easier to argue about faith than science.

Economics Does Not Lie
Guy Sorman
Economics Does Not Lie by Guy Sorman, City Journal Summer 2008

I postedt his before but it was ignored by the libs (for obcious reasons) and perhaps by conservatives due to "preaching to the choir". (aw crud, now I've gone religous in an economics thread, lol) Here's the Cliffs Notes for the short attention span crowd...
Socialism = fail
Capitalism = success

 

[editec]

The dismal science is at last a science—and the world is the beneficiary.

Please...a science?

You know the definition of a roomful of economists?

A roonful of men with phi beta kapps watch fobs on their chains, but not a watch in the house.

If economics had the handle on things that hard sciences had, there's be ONE economic model and every economist in the world would agree that it was the right one.

You honestly believe that economics has develeloped to that state?

If you do, then you don't understand the basic problem of all social sciences, including economics

Economics is attempting to model a constantly changing society with imperfect data, in many cases data they don't even understand is important untill after the fact manifests in the world in surprising ways.

There are some theoretical constants, but sadly people don't act like the robots those simplistic constants imply.

If economics was the sciece that author imagines it to be, the stock market would have to shut down, sport.

Every investor would invest exactly the same, there'd be no room for disagreement.

Ye gads! I can't believe what nonsense some of you believe to be true.

Not your faults, I suppose.

After all those experts sound so ...well...expert.

 

[busara]

i dont have time to read through this whole thread, so if i repeat anything i apologize.
both sides have some good points, but here are some things i'd like to say.

some people (diamond mostly) have this idea that the only people which are being helped by the government are the lazy poor. do you know how many companies get money from the govt for completely unnecessary acts?

and as to the notion of christians needing to help the poor: maybe if they did a better job the govt wouldnt need to try and do it themselves?

i love the idea that everyone can have the same chance to advance and make it in this country. but the reality is that not every has the same chance. there has been bashing of public schools here, but guess what? not every child can go to a private school. why? their parents cant afford to send them. so before a child ever officially becomes an adult, they are handicapped in their pursuit of wealth. very fair, eh? and a child whose parents live in a lower-scale neighborhood likely has poory equipped, funded, and staffed school. does that give that child the same chance to excel as one whose parents can afford the best private school in the country? very fair. and that affects what college they can get into, regardless of what amount of money they have for college.
the equal opportunity is simply not there. some are born ahead in the race. and 'deregulation' is responsible for hurting the backbone of america: the middle class. the top 1% has more wealth than the bottom 90%. (a higher inequality than any other advanced nation in the world. those numbers are closer to brazil and russia. just 30 years ago the wealth inequality in this country was far less pronounced). it hasnt been this high since the 20's.

coincidentally, i just started reading "Free Lunch" by David Cay Johnston. if i learn anything useful i'll be sure to post it here

 

[editec]

some people (diamond mostly) have this idea that the only people which are being helped by the government are the lazy poor.

Lacking anything significant to say, trolls like to throw bombs.

do you know how many companies get money from the govt for completely unnecessary acts?

People only know what they want to know. It makes them happy.

Studied ignorance is bliss.

For some of us it's positively politic, too.

 

[Care4all]

I could be wrong, but I don't remember Dave trying to justify anything using a belief in God. If he did, then he was wrong to do it, as the constitution isn't a biblical text.

i don't believe we were talking about the constitution, we were talking about what each of us think would be the right or wrong thing to do, when it comes to our fellow man....specifically the needy....vs. the wealthiest....

Dave believes not a finger should be lifted for them, unless they are rich, then favoritism should be shown to them by society thru our government....

others believe differently...

from these beliefs, we the people decide where we want our leaders to spend our money helping, or not spending it.

some think more of our tax monies should go to the wealthy or to businesses because it will trickle down to the little guy, some believe that is voodoo economics....

but all of these things truely extend from what one believes is just, or right verses wrong, and for many it comes from philosophers that we have come to admire, including Jesus Christ.

hahahaha! at least that's how i view it ravi and why i see it as relevant.

care

 

[Tristan]

Please...a science?

You know the definition of a roomful of economists?

A roonful of men with phi beta kapps watch fobs on their chains, but not a watch in the house.

That's very insightful considering your reading of the single sentence summation of the article. I wonder what you could have come up with if you had gotten as far as the first paragraph?

If economics had the handle on things that hard sciences had, there's be ONE economic model and every economist in the world would agree that it was the right one.

You honestly believe that economics has develeloped to that state?

You belive there is one model of the universe that all physicist agree on?

If you do, then you don't understand the basic problem of all social sciences, including economics

Economics is attempting to model a constantly changing society with imperfect data, in many cases data they don't even understand is important untill after the fact manifests in the world in surprising ways.

Physics is attempting to model a constantly changing universe with imperfect data, in many cases data they don't even understand is important untill after the fact manifests in the world in surprising ways.

There are some theoretical constants, but sadly people don't act like the robots those simplistic constants imply.

I hope your getting the physics analogy by now. Feel free to include other human science such as medicine etc.

If economics was the sciece that author imagines it to be, the stock market would have to shut down, sport.

Every investor would invest exactly the same, there'd be no room for disagreement.

Not so, sport! You have undercut your "humans are not robots argument" in record time though so congrats on that. Investors must invest in a fluid and changing market even with a great understanding of econaomics.

Ye gads! I can't believe what nonsense some of you believe to be true.

Not your faults, I suppose.

After all those experts sound so ...well...expert.

Good thing we have experts like you to keep us straight.

Perhaps you could enlighten some of "us" about the difference between North and South Korea's plights. Why does Commusism fail, and fail and fail and fail and fail in repeated experiments?

 

[Ravi]

America is neither a communist or nor a socialist country and to keep pretending someone is trying to make it so is just a scare tactic of the right.

I think we can all agree that taxation is needed to maintain overall harmony for a country. Any form of taxation for the benefit of society is socialistic by definition.

It'd be an interesting experiment to do away with all taxation and spending for a year and see what becomes of our country.