Gun death rates are the highest in mainly red states.

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

You stupidly lie, 2aguy.

Y

 

[ElmerMudd]

You end 95% of the gun crime in this country by voting out every single democrat in office...........

You are an idiot. Voting all Democrats out of office or all Republicans will not solve the problem nor will it ever happen.
A balance has to be made between gun rights and keeping the guns out of the mentally ill and the violent.

 

[ElmerMudd]

You end 95% of the gun crime in this country by voting out every single democrat in office...........

Many gun deaths are not a result of crime. Accidents resulting in death and suicides increase in homes and areas where people own guns and do not respect and secure their firearms. People who do not understand the 2nd ammendment.

 

[M14 Shooter]

People who do not understand the 2nd ammendment.

Top of that list:
You.

 

[M14 Shooter]

A balance has to be made between gun rights and keeping the guns out of the mentally ill and the violent.

The USSC discarded your argument; the right to keep and bear arms is not subject to a means-end test.

 

[ElmerMudd]

The USSC discarded your argument; the right to keep and bear arms is not subject to a means-end test.

Correct, it is the right to keep and bear ARMS, not guns.
Arms as in “weapons,” comes from the Latin arma, “tools of war,”
2nd ammendment is not limited to guns. It include all "tools of war".
The 2nd ammendment has been watered and down and changed since the 1800's. It has changed as more lethal tools of war were developed. The government limited the arms that could be owned by citizens.
If you want to fight for the 2nd ammendment, fight for all "tools of war" or you are a whoos letting the government limit the arms.
You don't know the second ammendement. You are an uneducated idiot. You want to own guns because of you are dominated by fear and felings of inadequacy. You are still a weak loser even with all the guns you can buy.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Correct, it is the right to keep and bear ARMS, not guns.
Arms as in “weapons,” comes from the Latin arma, “tools of war,”
2nd ammendment is not limited to guns. It include all "tools of war".

The fact your post has nothing to do with what I said aside...

The USSC discarded your argument two decades ago.

But feel free to believe the 2nd protects the right to own and use nuclear-tipped cruise missiles - it just means is you have no argument against the idea the 2nd protects the right to own and use all firearms.

 

[ElmerMudd]

The fact your post has nothing to do with what I said aside...

The USSC discarded your argument two decades ago.

But feel free to believe the 2nd protects the right to own and use nuclear-tipped cruise missiles - it just means is you have no argument against the idea the 2nd protects the right to own and use all firearms.

The 2nd ammendment does not mean the right to bear arms, it means the right to bear guns.
Tou are an idiot making things up as you go.

 

[Blues Man]

Gun death rates are the highest in mainly red states. I would assume these states have fewer gun restrictions.
I would have thought states like New York, Illinois and California have the highest gun death rates based on the news.
It is Montana, Wyoming, Louisiana, New Mexico, Mississippi and Alabama. All but New Mexico are red states

Then maybe you can explain why NH has a murder rate that is 5 times lower than CA even though NH has very relaxed gun laws and CA has very strict gun laws?

Hint. It's not guns or gun laws

 

[Blues Man]

Many gun deaths are not a result of crime. Accidents resulting in death and suicides increase in homes and areas where people own guns and do not respect and secure their firearms. People who do not understand the 2nd ammendment.

 

[ElmerMudd]

Then maybe you can explain why NH has a murder rate that is 5 times lower than CA even though NH has very relaxed gun laws and CA has very strict gun laws?

Hint. It's not guns or gun laws

It is not just murder rates that the study, I referenced, measures. It measures death by guns.
It includes accidental shootings that result in death and suicide.
Rural countires have a higher rate of suicide than cities. And accidental shootings is my guess.

Map of gun deaths shows cities have lower rates than rural counties in the U.S.

The most rural counties had a 37% higher rate of firearm deaths than the most urban counties from 2011 to 2020, an analysis found.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[2aguy]

It is not just murder rates that the study, I referenced, measures. It measures death by guns.
It includes accidental shootings that result in death and suicide.
Rural countires have a higher rate of suicide than cities. And accidental shootings is my guess.

Map of gun deaths shows cities have lower rates than rural counties in the U.S.

The most rural counties had a 37% higher rate of firearm deaths than the most urban counties from 2011 to 2020, an analysis found.

www.nbcnews.com

Then maybe of all the anti-gun fascists here, you can explain how it is that Japan, China, South Korea and almost the majority of European countries have higher suicide rates than we do.....

STAT	Canada	United States
Ages 15-24	15 per 100,000 people Ranked 4th. 9% more than United States	13.7 per 100,000 people Ranked 7th.
Ages 25-34	18 per 100,000 people Ranked 8th. 18% more than United States	15.3 per 100,000 people Ranked 10th.
Ages 35-44	19.2 per 100,000 people Ranked 8th. 25% more than United States	15.3 per 100,000 people Ranked 12th.
Ages 45-54	18.5 per 100,000 people Ranked 10th. 29% more than United States	14.3 per 100,000 people Ranked 13th.
Ages 55-64	15.1 per 100,000 people Ranked 11th. 14% more than United States	13.3 per 100,000 people Ranked 13th.
Ages 65-74	12.1 per 100,000 people Ranked 14th.	15.3 per 100,000 people Ranked 11th. 26% more than Canada
Ages above 75	12.2 per 100,000 people Ranked 15th.	22 per 100,000 people Ranked 10th. 80% more than Canada

SOURCES: GECD Society at a Glance 2001, Statistical Annex Table D3


https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Canada/United-States/Crime/Suicide-rates

Methods in japan..



https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/jea/14/6/14_6_187/_pdf







And yet Scotland has a higher suicide rate than the U.S......Japan, where only criminals and cops have guns, has a higher suicide rate than the U.S....Sweden has a higher suicide rate than the U.S....Denmark has a higher suicide rate than the u.S.....



France

Germany,

Hungary

Iceland

New Zealand

Poland

Norway

Japan

South Korea



https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/world/suiciderate.html



Scotland..



15.7 suicides per 100,000

In 2019?

16.7 suicides per 100,000.

And in the U.S.?

13.93 per 100,000



Suicide facts and figures



Changes in Suicide Rates — United States, ...



https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/world/suiciderate.html



South Korea 24.7

Hungary 21

Japan 19.4

Belgium 18.4

Finland 16.5

France 14.6

Austria 13.8

Poland 13.8

Czec Republic 12.7

New Zealand 11.9

Denmark 11.3

Sweden 11.1

Norway 10.9

Slovac Republic 10.9

Iceland 10.3

Germany 10.3

Canada 10.2

United States 10.1



A new report by Unicef contains a shocking statistic - New Zealand has by far the highest youth suicide rate in the developed world.
A shock but no surprise - it's not the first time the country tops that table.
The Unicef report found New Zealand's youth suicide rate - teenagers between 15 and 19 - to be the highest of a long list of 41 OECD and EU countries.
The rate of 15.6 suicides per 100,000 people is twice as high as the US rate and almost five times that of Britain.


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-40284130

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

2aguy, would the non-US suicide rates be higher if the populations had easier access to guns?

 

[ElmerMudd]

Then maybe of all the anti-gun fascists here, you can explain how it is that Japan, China, South Korea and almost the majority of European countries have higher suicide rates than we do.....

STAT	Canada	United States
Ages 15-24	15 per 100,000 people Ranked 4th. 9% more than United States	13.7 per 100,000 people Ranked 7th.
Ages 25-34	18 per 100,000 people Ranked 8th. 18% more than United States	15.3 per 100,000 people Ranked 10th.
Ages 35-44	19.2 per 100,000 people Ranked 8th. 25% more than United States	15.3 per 100,000 people Ranked 12th.
Ages 45-54	18.5 per 100,000 people Ranked 10th. 29% more than United States	14.3 per 100,000 people Ranked 13th.
Ages 55-64	15.1 per 100,000 people Ranked 11th. 14% more than United States	13.3 per 100,000 people Ranked 13th.
Ages 65-74	12.1 per 100,000 people Ranked 14th.	15.3 per 100,000 people Ranked 11th. 26% more than Canada
Ages above 75	12.2 per 100,000 people Ranked 15th.	22 per 100,000 people Ranked 10th. 80% more than Canada

SOURCES: GECD Society at a Glance 2001, Statistical Annex Table D3


https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Canada/United-States/Crime/Suicide-rates

Methods in japan..



https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/jea/14/6/14_6_187/_pdf







And yet Scotland has a higher suicide rate than the U.S......Japan, where only criminals and cops have guns, has a higher suicide rate than the U.S....Sweden has a higher suicide rate than the U.S....Denmark has a higher suicide rate than the u.S.....



France

Germany,

Hungary

Iceland

New Zealand

Poland

Norway

Japan

South Korea



https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/world/suiciderate.html



Scotland..



15.7 suicides per 100,000

In 2019?

16.7 suicides per 100,000.

And in the U.S.?

13.93 per 100,000



Suicide facts and figures



Changes in Suicide Rates — United States, ...



https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/world/suiciderate.html



South Korea 24.7

Hungary 21

Japan 19.4

Belgium 18.4

Finland 16.5

France 14.6

Austria 13.8

Poland 13.8

Czec Republic 12.7

New Zealand 11.9

Denmark 11.3

Sweden 11.1

Norway 10.9

Slovac Republic 10.9

Iceland 10.3

Germany 10.3

Canada 10.2

United States 10.1



A new report by Unicef contains a shocking statistic - New Zealand has by far the highest youth suicide rate in the developed world.
A shock but no surprise - it's not the first time the country tops that table.
The Unicef report found New Zealand's youth suicide rate - teenagers between 15 and 19 - to be the highest of a long list of 41 OECD and EU countries.
The rate of 15.6 suicides per 100,000 people is twice as high as the US rate and almost five times that of Britain.


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-40284130

stats

 

[M14 Shooter]

The 2nd ammendment does not mean the right to bear arms, it means the right to bear guns.

Funny, then...

CAETANO v. MASSACHUSETTS​

CAETANO v. MASSACHUSETTS

www.law.cornell.edu

The Court has held that “the Second Amendment extends, prima facie, to all instruments that constitute bearable arms, even those that were not in existence at the time of the founding,” District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U. S. 570, 582 (2008), and that this “Second Amendment right is fully applicable to the States,” McDonald v. Chicago, 561 U. S. 742, 750 (2010). In this case, the Supreme Judicial Court of Massachusetts upheld a Massachusetts law prohibiting the possession of stun guns after examining “whether a stun gun is the type of weapon contemplated by Congress in 1789 as being protected by the Second Amendment.”
...the explanation the Massachusetts court offered for upholding the law contradicts this Court’s precedent. Consequently, the petition for a writ of certiorari and the motion for leave to proceed in forma pauperis are granted. The judgment of the Supreme Judicial Court of Massachusetts is vacated, and the case is remanded for further proceedings not inconsistent with this opinion.

Let me know if you need this explained.

Tou are an idiot making things up as you go.

^^^
Unfathomable irony.

 

[M14 Shooter]

stats

What do the gun laws in these states look like?

 

[ElmerMudd]

Funny, then...

CAETANO v. MASSACHUSETTS​

CAETANO v. MASSACHUSETTS

www.law.cornell.edu

The Court has held that “the Second Amendment extends, prima facie, to all instruments that constitute bearable arms, even those that were not in existence at the time of the founding,” District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U. S. 570, 582 (2008), and that this “Second Amendment right is fully applicable to the States,” McDonald v. Chicago, 561 U. S. 742, 750 (2010). In this case, the Supreme Judicial Court of Massachusetts upheld a Massachusetts law prohibiting the possession of stun guns after examining “whether a stun gun is the type of weapon contemplated by Congress in 1789 as being protected by the Second Amendment.”
...the explanation the Massachusetts court offered for upholding the law contradicts this Court’s precedent. Consequently, the petition for a writ of certiorari and the motion for leave to proceed in forma pauperis are granted. The judgment of the Supreme Judicial Court of Massachusetts is vacated, and the case is remanded for further proceedings not inconsistent with this opinion.

Let me know if you need this explained.


^^^
Unfathomable irony.

I agree the 2nd ammendment is the right to bear ARMS, not just guns. Why are there so many arms that citizens do not and cannot own?

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Lissen up, lunks. You do not get your own missile destroyer for the marina.

 

[Blues Man]

It is not just murder rates that the study, I referenced, measures. It measures death by guns.
It includes accidental shootings that result in death and suicide.
Rural countires have a higher rate of suicide than cities. And accidental shootings is my guess.

Map of gun deaths shows cities have lower rates than rural counties in the U.S.

The most rural counties had a 37% higher rate of firearm deaths than the most urban counties from 2011 to 2020, an analysis found.

www.nbcnews.com

Accidental deaths by guns are less than 500 a year. When you take into account that there are tens of millions of instances of legal and accepted gun uses annually that 500 deaths a year is actually a very good safety record.

Suicides don't count. Suicide is a choice that every single person has the absolute right to make. Just as many suicides are committed without guns

 

[Blues Man]

2aguy, would the non-US suicide rates be higher if the populations had easier access to guns?

Not necessarily.

And suicides are not a gun problem anyway. Suicide is a choice that every single person on this planet has the absolute right to make.