Gun violence in the world

[2aguy]

This is what hemenway did to get his numbers...he lied....

CPRC at Fox News Gun control advocates taking a page out of global warming advocates handbook - Crime Prevention Research Center crimeresearch.org

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However, instead of actually reviewing the scientific literature on the subject, Professor David Hemenway at Harvard made a survey of cherry-picked authors. Surprisingly, he found the vast majority agreed that we need more gun control.

So let’s look at the details. He polled authors who had published in the fields of “public health, public policy, sociology, or criminology.” Most notably, half of the authors picked were within Hemenway’s own field of public health and another third were sociologists/criminologists, followed by public policy and a few economists. It dramatically over weighted those in public health. It didn’t matter whether the publications even contained any empirical work or were related to the survey questions.

Authors were asked if they agreed with the statement: "In the United States, guns are used in self-defense far more often than they are used in crime.” Hemenway reports that 73 percent disagreed. However, many respondents may have believed that there still exists a net benefit from gun ownership — just not enough to say that guns are used defensively “far more often.”

It is abundantly clear that it matters who you ask and how the questions are asked. A survey released in February by the Crime Prevention Research Centerconducted by Professor Gary Mauser at Simon Fraser University in Canada found that 88 percent of North American economics researchers agreed with the statement that, in the US, guns were more frequently used for self-defense than for crime.

Other questions were posed by Hemenway in ways to hide information. For instance, respondents were asked to evaluate: "The change in state-level concealed carry laws in the United States over the past few decades from more restrictive to more permissive has reduced crime rates.” 62% of respondents claimed that there wasn’t a benefit from concealed handgun laws and theBoston Globe ran this headline: “Most gun experts believe guns do more harm than good.”

In contrast, Professor Mauser asked researchers whether they thought permitted concealed handgun laws either reduced murders, had no effect, or increased murders. Among North American economists, 81 percent stated the laws reduced murders, 19 percent that they had no effect. Absolutely no one said that the laws increased crime. If economists outside of North America were included, the results changed slightly, with 74 percent stating the laws reduced murders, 20 percent that they had no effect, and 6 percent that they caused an increase.

Sixty percent of respondents in Hemenway’s survey agreed that "evidence indicates that background checks can help keep guns out of the hands of a significant number of violent people.” But only 31% of all those surveyed thought that the evidence was either strong (24%) or very strong (7%). And even these numbers seem unrealistically high. Study after study by criminologists and economists find that background checks have no effect on crime rates.

Economists have done a lot of work on crime. Unlike the vast majority of work in public health, it is usually much more rigorous with more detailed statistical evidence dealing with issues of causality.

Economists are also much more open to the notion of deterrence than the vast majority of authors surveyed by Hemenway.

I myself was chief economist at the United States Sentencing Commission.

But Hemenway steers away from economics journals. In addition, looking at publications from only 2011 through 2013 also picks up a recent surge in public health studies and skews the sample towards those types of authors.

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So again....how does hemenway lie and get the numbers he wants.....

So let’s look at the details. He polled authors who had published in the fields of “public health, public policy, sociology, or criminology.” Most notably, half of the authors picked were within Hemenway’s own field of public health and another third were sociologists/criminologists, followed by public policy and a few economists.

It dramatically over weighted those in public health. It didn’t matter whether the publications even contained any empirical work or were related to the survey questions.

Wow...not a surprise....citing work and researchers who don't actually study gun self defense.....that is how you get low numbers for gun self defense.....

So let’s look at the details. He polled authors who had published in the fields of “public health, public policy, sociology, or criminology.” Most notably, half of the authors picked were within Hemenway’s own field of public health and another third were sociologists/criminologists, followed by public policy and a few economists. It dramatically over weighted those in public health. It didn’t matter whether the publications even contained any empirical work or were related to the survey questions.

So lott is saying it is bad because Hemenway actually used people who study the subject. Economists do not study crime. Trust me, I know.

What part of the fact they didn't study crime or guns do you not comprehend.......just like his other study he surveyed Doctors.....whose only contact with this topic is patients in the E.R........

Mauser used Peer Reviewed economists who specifically study crime and gun issues......

yes...again.....you want to use people who do not actually study guns but are more than willing to answer biased survey questions....and then when you get low defensive use numbers you claim victory...

That is why you and your anti gun extremists friends can't be trusted, ever.....

Hemenway picked only people who had written on the subject.

Wrong....they wrote on health aspects of victims...not gun self defense.....just like his other study...or was it the other frauds, kellerman....

 

[Brain357]

This is what hemenway did to get his numbers...he lied....

CPRC at Fox News Gun control advocates taking a page out of global warming advocates handbook - Crime Prevention Research Center crimeresearch.org

The full piece.....

The truth about gun free zones Fox News


However, instead of actually reviewing the scientific literature on the subject, Professor David Hemenway at Harvard made a survey of cherry-picked authors. Surprisingly, he found the vast majority agreed that we need more gun control.

So let’s look at the details. He polled authors who had published in the fields of “public health, public policy, sociology, or criminology.” Most notably, half of the authors picked were within Hemenway’s own field of public health and another third were sociologists/criminologists, followed by public policy and a few economists. It dramatically over weighted those in public health. It didn’t matter whether the publications even contained any empirical work or were related to the survey questions.

Authors were asked if they agreed with the statement: "In the United States, guns are used in self-defense far more often than they are used in crime.” Hemenway reports that 73 percent disagreed. However, many respondents may have believed that there still exists a net benefit from gun ownership — just not enough to say that guns are used defensively “far more often.”

It is abundantly clear that it matters who you ask and how the questions are asked. A survey released in February by the Crime Prevention Research Centerconducted by Professor Gary Mauser at Simon Fraser University in Canada found that 88 percent of North American economics researchers agreed with the statement that, in the US, guns were more frequently used for self-defense than for crime.

Other questions were posed by Hemenway in ways to hide information. For instance, respondents were asked to evaluate: "The change in state-level concealed carry laws in the United States over the past few decades from more restrictive to more permissive has reduced crime rates.” 62% of respondents claimed that there wasn’t a benefit from concealed handgun laws and theBoston Globe ran this headline: “Most gun experts believe guns do more harm than good.”

In contrast, Professor Mauser asked researchers whether they thought permitted concealed handgun laws either reduced murders, had no effect, or increased murders. Among North American economists, 81 percent stated the laws reduced murders, 19 percent that they had no effect. Absolutely no one said that the laws increased crime. If economists outside of North America were included, the results changed slightly, with 74 percent stating the laws reduced murders, 20 percent that they had no effect, and 6 percent that they caused an increase.

Sixty percent of respondents in Hemenway’s survey agreed that "evidence indicates that background checks can help keep guns out of the hands of a significant number of violent people.” But only 31% of all those surveyed thought that the evidence was either strong (24%) or very strong (7%). And even these numbers seem unrealistically high. Study after study by criminologists and economists find that background checks have no effect on crime rates.

Economists have done a lot of work on crime. Unlike the vast majority of work in public health, it is usually much more rigorous with more detailed statistical evidence dealing with issues of causality.

Economists are also much more open to the notion of deterrence than the vast majority of authors surveyed by Hemenway.

I myself was chief economist at the United States Sentencing Commission.

But Hemenway steers away from economics journals. In addition, looking at publications from only 2011 through 2013 also picks up a recent surge in public health studies and skews the sample towards those types of authors.

**********************

So again....how does hemenway lie and get the numbers he wants.....

So let’s look at the details. He polled authors who had published in the fields of “public health, public policy, sociology, or criminology.” Most notably, half of the authors picked were within Hemenway’s own field of public health and another third were sociologists/criminologists, followed by public policy and a few economists.

It dramatically over weighted those in public health. It didn’t matter whether the publications even contained any empirical work or were related to the survey questions.

Wow...not a surprise....citing work and researchers who don't actually study gun self defense.....that is how you get low numbers for gun self defense.....

So let’s look at the details. He polled authors who had published in the fields of “public health, public policy, sociology, or criminology.” Most notably, half of the authors picked were within Hemenway’s own field of public health and another third were sociologists/criminologists, followed by public policy and a few economists. It dramatically over weighted those in public health. It didn’t matter whether the publications even contained any empirical work or were related to the survey questions.

So lott is saying it is bad because Hemenway actually used people who study the subject. Economists do not study crime. Trust me, I know.

What part of the fact they didn't study crime or guns do you not comprehend.......just like his other study he surveyed Doctors.....whose only contact with this topic is patients in the E.R........

Mauser used Peer Reviewed economists who specifically study crime and gun issues......

yes...again.....you want to use people who do not actually study guns but are more than willing to answer biased survey questions....and then when you get low defensive use numbers you claim victory...

That is why you and your anti gun extremists friends can't be trusted, ever.....

Hemenway picked only people who had written on the subject.

Wrong....they wrote on health aspects of victims...not gun self defense.....just like his other study...or was it the other frauds, kellerman....

Keep in mind that believing guns are used more in defense than in crime doesn't even support your 2 million number. There are under 500k crimes committed with guns each year. So even if they think there are 50% more defenses, that is still only 750k. Well below your 2 million fantasy.

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fv9311.pdf

And of course a poll of 35 economists is really not proof of anything dgu related anyhow.

 

[Brain357]

Klecks newest defense.
To summarize, notwithstanding DeFilippis and Hughes’ one-sided cherry-picking of the research evidence, surveys do not overestimate the number of DGUs (or anything else crime-related), and at least 18 national surveys have consistently confirmed that DGUs are very common, probably more common than criminal uses of guns.

Probably more common than criminal uses? Well he doesn't even sound that sure. He certainly wouldn't say probably if there were 4-5X more defenses than crimes. And he says 18 national surveys when they are not all national surveys. At least 3 of them are not national surveys. Some expert this guy is. I would still like to know if more DGUs happen at home or in public, he has answered both ways depending on what part of his debunked study he is defending.

Defensive Gun Use Is Not a Myth - Gary Kleck - POLITICO Magazine

 

[Harry Dresden]

it cant be that bad jim jefferies lives here in the violent USA...