Happy 4th of July......Dont forget to thank a Liberal

[Plasmaball]

All men are created equal.....what a sexist concept

Fixed that for you.

Strong, independent womyn made this country great.

wow...you posted this

 

[Listening]

We have to remember that according the jackass' on the board like RW.....anyone that has a new idea is a liberal.

Conservatives don't have new ideas. They preserve the old ones. If you have a new idea...you are a liberal.

Sooooo......

Hitler was a lib......

Pol Pot was a lib......

Stalin was a lib.......

Lennin was a lib......

 

[Flopper]

Civil rights
Handicapped rights
Gay rights
Environmental protections
Worker protections

Thank a liberal

Funny how you democrats opposed the civil rights bill.

Who said anything about Democrats?

This thread is about liberals

That's an interesting point. At one time there were many liberal Republicans in the GOP replaced by moderates and finally Tea Party radicals.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

Funny how you democrats opposed the civil rights bill.

Who said anything about Democrats?

This thread is about liberals

That's an interesting point. At one time there were many liberal Republicans in the GOP replaced by moderates and finally Tea Party radicals.

That's an interesting point, At one point there were American loving patriots in the Democrat Party.

No. Really. There were.

 

[Redfish]

You called it a "PRIVILEGE"

our rights are a privilege. You can only enjoy our rights if you comply with the laws of our nation and are a citizen over the age of majority.

This is just amazing.

In another thread you were arguing about Natural Rights.

Now?

You basically have taken the position, I had in that thread.

That rights? Are given to us by government.

You guys are like eels.

Nope, I am totally consistent. Natural rights (those conferred by God) have nothing to do with government. Rights to privacy, property ownership, speech, etc are conferred by governments in accordance with the beliefs of a majority of the citizens.

 

[kaz]

You didn't address Putin.

You made some dumbfuck personal crack.

You didn't say what Obama did to "embarass" Putin, so what exactly did you expect? From what was in the press, Obama has been Putin's bitch. Putin got everything in Syria, Obama got nothing. Obama has gotten nothing in The Ukraine. Maybe if you thought of something specific you would get a more specific reply.

Putin got himself a bunch of sanctions as a result of his belligerence.

And he's still saying, "ooooooo."

And? No shots fired. No dead Americans.

And nothing accomplished

The Russian economy is in the tank. So much so that Putin has been backing off in Ukraine.

It was in the tank before The Ukraine. What are the Europeans going to do, not buy Russian energy? LOL.

Did he back off in Georgia?

No, but no one said W embarrassed Putin, you said Obama did. So this is just deflection.

And by the way?

Bush and Bin Laden..

Bush said he was going after all Al Qaeda, not just Bin Laden. You have to grow up and stop being such a bitch for politicians.

Bush's true concern was Saddam Hussien, a guy "who tried to kill daddy".

That guy? He got. And he took his pistol as a prize.

That. Was truly disgusting.

What is your claim to mind reading based on exactly? How do you know what W was thinking? You believe it because you want to isn't an argument.

 

[Dad2three]

Hamilton turned out to be a traitor to the very things he espoused.

He was very much in support of a strong central government.

Long live Aaron Burr.......

John Adams lost his mind sometime after he was elected.

In a very bitter fight in 1800, Adams was ousted as was most of his party (from Congress) and the flow of "centralization" stopped for a long time as more conservatives presidents were in office for a while.

Madison (veto over states) and Washington too were strong FEDERAL rights supporters. Weird Who won the fight again, the federalist or anti?

From Federalist 45 (Madison);

The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite.

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And so once again we see that the left does not understand the concept of government within government.

Who lost was the American people when FDR through his court packing effort bullied the SCOTUS into passing the New Deal legislation they kept knocking down.

Please....learn something.

Madison also penned the 10th amendment.

Federalist papers? Oh you mean that PROPAGANDA the Federalists used to sell the US Constitution? The advertisements of the day?



At the Constitutional Convention, James Madison proposed granting Congress the power to veto state legislation. Madison’s “negative” was intended to connect Congress and the states in a single compound legislature, giving Congress the power either to veto or to ratify by silence the acts of state legislatures. The negative failed to gain the approval of the convention delegates, however, and they instead chose to build federal supremacy into the Constitution via the judiciary-centered mechanisms of the Supremacy Clause and Article III.



What If Madison Had Won? Imagining a Constitutional World of Legislative Supremacy by Alison L. LaCroix :: SSRN

 

[Dad2three]

Post an essay on why people on the Left need to constantly "re-brand" themselves. Explain why it is that the term liberal became so toxic that those of you on the Left decided to call yourself "progressives" instead.

"Manpigs"? Really? Wow, someone has issues...

False premises, distortions and lies, the only thing right wingers have


Progressivism is a broad political philosophy based on the Idea of Progress, which asserts that advances in science, technology, economic development, and social organization can improve the human condition. Progressivism became highly significant during the Age of Enlightenment in Europe, out of the belief that Europe was demonstrating that societies could progress in civility from barbaric conditions to civilization through strengthening the basis of empirical knowledge as the foundation of society

Progressivism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That's why we laugh when you call yourselves progressives.

Want to live like Europe ? Then move.

Why? We Founded the US, not some conservative garbage like you!

 

[Dad2three]

False premises, distortions and lies, the only thing right wingers have


Progressivism is a broad political philosophy based on the Idea of Progress, which asserts that advances in science, technology, economic development, and social organization can improve the human condition. Progressivism became highly significant during the Age of Enlightenment in Europe, out of the belief that Europe was demonstrating that societies could progress in civility from barbaric conditions to civilization through strengthening the basis of empirical knowledge as the foundation of society

Progressivism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Let me get this straight...you accuse me of "false premises, distortions and lies" and then try to make the point that the modern day progressive movement is from the Age of Enlightenment and not simply a recent re-brand of liberalism?

That's funny stuff...

You did know, didn't you, that the Progressive Era of the early 1900s was an opposition movement to the progressive era of the late 1700s.

lol, Grow a brain

 

[Dad2three]

Should we thank the Founding Fathers for the Articles of Confederation ?

After all, that was the first government they tried.

I wonder why ?

You think it was because they just dumped a strong central government ?

Weird, they got rid of that weak federal Gov't thing (because it didn't work), the Articles, for STRONG federalism US Constitution

 

[Harry Dresden]

Think of a time when we actually had a class of people who were born to rule. By blood, they were considered better than you. They had more rights and they had a birthright to power. That was the concept of royalty

Our liberal founding fathers were appalled by the concept of royalty......conservatives of the day defended it

im sure there were plenty of "Conservative" leaning people back then who were also appalled by it too RW....but the bottom line is....the people who did rebel no matter what their leanings were, would be appalled by the right and left of today,especially the ones in DC.....im sure they would all have been rounded up and sent back to England if they were back in those days.....back then those people had a unique concept.....the Country before any type of political party......

I think shocked is a better word than appalled; shocked that a loose confederation of colonies was able to grow into the most prosperous and powerful nation on earth, shocked not that we have done so poorly by our citizens but that we done so well.

listening to some here you would not think that....

 

[kaz]

Why? We Founded the US, not some conservative garbage like you!

And you did it to found a place of tolerance and respect for diversity of people and thought, right?

BTW, when you say "We Founded the US," the founding fathers actually were not authoritarian leftists. Just thought you might like to know.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Oh, the Irony....

It's not Liberals who want to rip out the 17th amendment. That would be conservatives.

And those who think that only white, male landowners should have the right to vote? Well, they would like to gut the 15th and 19th amendments. And guess what? Those people aint Liberals. They're Conservatives.


And those who don't like income tax? Well, they would like to rip up the 16th amendment. And guess what? They're not Liberals.

Oh, the irony. The 16th and 17th amendments are Progressive Era amendments that altered the Constitution.

The 16th Amendment was the direct consequence of the decision in 1895 whereby the attempt of Congress the previous year to tax incomes uniformly throughout the states was held to be unconstitutional. The amendment supersedes Article I, section 2, clause 3, and section 9, clause 4.

The 17th was the outcome of increasing popular dissatisfaction with the constitutionally established method of selecting senators. It supersedes Article I, section 3, clauses 1 and 2.

Was it liberals, then, who wanted to rip up the Constitution they so established? Hmm?

The entire Constitution is a progressive document

Liberals are happy with it.......Conservatives demand it be changed
Mostl to take away rights from We the People

lots of Liberals seem to be in that boat too RW....there was someone the other day saying that it was written back in a different time and it needs to changed to reflect our times....and he got 4-5 thanx on that.....

 

[kaz]

Should we thank the Founding Fathers for the Articles of Confederation ?

After all, that was the first government they tried.

I wonder why ?

You think it was because they just dumped a strong central government ?

Weird, they got rid of that weak federal Gov't thing (because it didn't work), the Articles, for STRONG federalism US Constitution

Actually we replaced a powerless Federal government with a weak one.

 

[Harry Dresden]

E
He is not saying Democrats he is saying liberals

A distinction without a difference.

I always find it funny how conservative Republicans try to take credit for what liberal Republicans did

you mean those RINOS?.....

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

LOL, wow dude!

The Constitution made provisions for it to be CHANGED through the Amendment process, thus making it a LIBERAL, Living, and Breathing document. They were FORWARD thinking, they weren't longing for "the good ole days", they wanted CHANGE.

So you're goal is to change it to what? And at what expense do you want to change it?

Good question. I don't necessarily want to change it, but I do believe in the provisions that were made to Amend it, which actually means "changing" it. One of the most important things that protects Our Liberties, were the Bill of Rights, they were all Amendments to the Constitution, thus "changes" to the Constitution.

You do agree with those changes to the Constitution, right?

You do realize the United States Constitution made specific provisions to how changes were to be made through ARTICLE 5 and not Federal Judges on a Supreme Court bench, who's only role is to interpret the Constitution as it was written.This is precisely how women's voting rights was established, as well as an Amendment to establish an end to slavery. Judges did not simply look to the need and recognition of "equality" as justification to simply establish equal rights through the courts as they do today, to end slavery and establish equality for African Americans an amendment to the Constitution had to be made. The same was done for women and voting rights, as the 14th Amendment was not justification in itself. Today we have judges who ignore ARTICLE V and seek to expand the interpretation of precious Amendments into language and meaning that was NEVER inferred during the time it was originally written. Judges have replaced the role of the Legislative Branch (specifically ARTICLE V) and taken on a role of modifying a Constitution that was never established as the judicial role through our Founders and ARTICLE III of the Constitution. What was once the "proper" method for establishing equality among blacks and women's ability to establish equality through voting, has changed to judges replacing the Legislative Branch to create changes and add provisions themselves to our Constitution with one decision from 9 Justices.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Naw.

Ronald Reagan..one of the most famous Dixiecrats, switched parties.

And he did his best to try and roll back civil rights.

Gosh you just can't keep making up history. BTW Reagan was from CA hardly from the south and the Dixiecrats went right back to the democrat party.

The good that Reagan did for black America

The good that Reagan did for black America | The San Diego Union-Tribune

On balance, then, the majority of black Americans made considerable progress in the 1980s.

More of us stayed in high school, graduated and went on to college. More of us were working than ever before, in better jobs and for higher wages.

The black middle class burgeoned to unprecedented size, emerging as the dominant income group in black America. And black business flourished, creating wealth in the black community.

Reps. Owens, Wynn and Watson may think that all of those wondrous developments were simply happenstance.

But the credit goes to Ronald Reagan, who initiated the policies that fostered the economic growth and job creation of the 1980s, which produced the prosperity that most black Americans enjoyed.

Reagan didn't do anyone any good.

Not the woman he raped.

Not the country.

He was an abomination. And a traitor.

sorry Sallow i seen a show about this on one of the PBS Stations a few weeks ago....and it had quite a few black entrepreneurs on there and they all were saying during the 80's blacks did pretty dam good and since then including today....not so good....

 

[Harry Dresden]

And once again we see how the left is more than willing to take credit for what others have done and to live off of the labor of others.

You didn't build that...somebody else did. But it wasn't a lib.

It got built and taxed and the taxes went to support lazy assed liberals.

Liberals made this country

Conservatives supported the King.........even then, they followed the money

Actually, people of many stripes made our Union.

you are right but you are wasting your time here with RW......after all he knew the mindset of every person living in the colonies back then....

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

Civil rights
Handicapped rights
Gay rights
Environmental protections
Worker protections

Thank a liberal

Could you tell us which party and ideology Senator Robert Byrd was affiliated with? Did he happen to fully support the Civil Rights bill in 1964? Who filibustered and stood in the way of its passage?

 

[Harry Dresden]

And once again we see how the left is more than willing to take credit for what others have done and to live off of the labor of others.

You didn't build that...somebody else did. But it wasn't a lib.

It got built and taxed and the taxes went to support lazy assed liberals.

Liberals made this country

Conservatives supported the King.........even then, they followed the money

Bennidict Arnold was a liberal

quite a few historians feel that if it wasnt for the battles he led and won we may not have won that revolution....... ....when Arnold was then passed over by George for promotion thats what pissed him off and went on to be what he became....some have said Arnold was the best General on either side...