Happy 4th of July......Dont forget to thank a Liberal

[rightwinger]

As liberals disagree with and work against just about every tenet put forth in the Declaration of Independemce, thanking them for the 4th of July is little different than singing Hitler's praises on Passover.

Liberals wrote the Declaration of Independence and uphold its values today

We hold these truths to be self evident that All Men are Created Equal
Right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness

The very values that conservatives seek to destroy

 

[Mr. H.]

Think of a time when we actually had a class of people who were born to rule. By blood, they were considered better than you. They had more rights and they had a birthright to power. That was the concept of royalty

Our liberal founding fathers were appalled by the concept of royalty......conservatives of the day defended it

So exactly what the fuck is King Obama doing in the White House?

 

[1776]

Liberals go around stating the US Constitution is an out-dated, racist document that was created by racist, old, white men....but then wrap themselves in the US flag on these holidays and claim "they are the ones behind all of this."

 

[Flopper]

On the anniversary of our country, it is time to remember the greatest liberals of their day........our founding fathers

All men are created equal.....what a liberal concept

Yes, that was certainly a liberal concept in it's day. The meaning of liberal and conservative has certainly changed over the last 238 years. Attempting to put political issues of today in the context of 1776 is ridiculous because the world is a very different place. So much of the reasoning of the founding fathers is based on a world that no longer exists.

 

[rightwinger]

Liberals go around stating the US Constitution is an out-dated, racist document that was created by racist, old, white men....but then wrap themselves in the US flag on these holidays and claim "they are the ones behind all of this."

It is conservatives who are constantly trying to change the Constitution

Liberals wrote it....we kind of like it

 

[AmericanFirst]

On the anniversary of our country, it is time to remember the greatest liberals of their day........our founding fathers

All men are created equal.....what a liberal concept

Too bad you are totally wrong again. The liberals of today are to spineless, look at obamashitforbrains, to have fought in 1776. The libtards of today have been hijacked by the commies, the liberals of yesterday were more American than you could hope to be.

 

[AmericanFirst]

Liberals go around stating the US Constitution is an out-dated, racist document that was created by racist, old, white men....but then wrap themselves in the US flag on these holidays and claim "they are the ones behind all of this."

It is conservatives who are constantly trying to change the Constitution

Liberals wrote it....we kind of like it

You are a retard, and totally wrong , idiot.

 

[percysunshine]

Good God!

Food, shelter and healthcare

The bastards

Good thing we still have "Let em die" conservatism

It is always amusing to watch people trying to defend extortion as a 'good thing'.

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Paying your taxes like all citizens is extortion?

When the money goes to pension funds of government employees while public services are cut...yup. Liberal government always cuts and runs.

Some times, even extortion is not good enough...robbery is a better solution.

Time Bomb - POLITICO Magazine

 

[RWHeathenGamer]

Some say America took a wrong turn in 2008, others in 2000, others in 1965, others in 1933, others in 1913, others in 1861. I say America took a wrong turn in 1776.

God Bless the Queen and all her descendants. Rule Britannia!

 

[AvgGuyIA]

As true liberals, they sought negotiation and reason as their first option. When that failed they turned to open rebellion

Upon that rebellion, conservatives of the day chose to side with the crown. Why not? That is where the money was

So when the south revolted....they were liberals ? Thanks for clearing that up.

The southern traitors were arch conservatives fighting for States rights and against "all men are created equal"

Democrats, All democrats. Started the KKK. Your fore fathers in Democrat Party. Hated MLK in 50s and 60s. Killed him.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

Think of a time when we actually had a class of people who were born to rule. By blood, they were considered better than you. They had more rights and they had a birthright to power. That was the concept of royalty

Our liberal founding fathers were appalled by the concept of royalty......conservatives of the day defended it

Sounds like today, I don't have to imagine that time, I'm living it --- because of Progressives. The State Czars are superior and we're shit.

Have a good one.

We live in a society where a mixed race black man raised by a single mother can rise to the Presidency of the United States

A level of freedom our founding fathers never could have imagined

Happy 4th of July

Affirmative Action failure. Unqualified,

 

[rightwinger]

So when the south revolted....they were liberals ? Thanks for clearing that up.

The southern traitors were arch conservatives fighting for States rights and against "all men are created equal"

Democrats, All democrats. Started the KKK. Your fore fathers in Democrat Party. Hated MLK in 50s and 60s. Killed him.

Conservative values....even today

 

[Peach]

Some say America took a wrong turn in 2008, others in 2000, others in 1965, others in 1933, others in 1913, others in 1861. I say America took a wrong turn in 1776.

God Bless the Queen and all her descendants. Rule Britannia!

She acknowledged the celebration in the "colonies" in 1776, remember? And we still owe a debt that cannot be paid in money, to the UK; they held out against the Axis, while some in the US refused to see it would become "our war". see Grand Alliance, Atlantic Charter.

 

[Dad2three]

Let us examine very briefly whether or not those in 1776 that we have to thank are anything like the modern liberal.

First, they were almost to a man religious, even Thomas Jefferson. Not like today's liberal.

Second, they did and believe people had the right to bare arms, unlike the modern liberal.

Thirdly, they believed in the COTUS, very unlike today's liberals.

Forth, welfare would be a foreign concept, VERY unlike today's liberal.

"The property of this country is absolutely concentred in a very few hands, having revenues of from half a million of guineas a year downwards... I am conscious that an equal division of property is impracticable. But the consequences of this enormous inequality producing so much misery to the bulk of mankind, legislators cannot invent too many devices for subdividing property, only taking care to let their subdivisions go hand in hand with the natural affections of the human mind. Another means of silently lessening the inequality of property is to exempt all from taxation below a certain point, and to tax the higher portions of property in geometrical progression as they rise. Whenever there is in any country, uncultivated lands and unemployed poor, it is clear that the laws of property have been so far extended as to violate natural right. The earth is given as a common stock for man to labor and live on."

--Thomas Jefferson



With Thomas Jefferson taking the lead in the Virginia legislature in 1777, every Revolutionary state government abolished the laws of primogeniture and entail that had served to perpetuate the concentration of inherited property. Jefferson cited Adam Smith, the hero of free market capitalists everywhere, as the source of his conviction that (as Smith wrote, and Jefferson closely echoed in his own words), "A power to dispose of estates for ever is manifestly absurd. The earth and the fulness of it belongs to every generation, and the preceding one can have no right to bind it up from posterity. Such extension of property is quite unnatural." Smith said: "There is no point more difficult to account for than the right we conceive men to have to dispose of their goods after death."


Stephen Budiansky's Liberal Curmudgeon Blog: Adam Smith, Thomas Jefferson, and other fellow travelers



"Many of the opposition [to the new Federal Constitution] wish to take from Congress the power of internal taxation. Calculation has convinced me that this would be very mischievous." --Thomas Jefferson





"The poor who have neither property, friends, nor strength to labor, are boarded in the houses of good farmers, to whom a stipulated sum is annually paid. To those who are able to help themselves a little, or have friends from whom they derive some succor, inadequate however to their full maintenance, supplementary aids are given which enable them to live comfortably in their own houses, or in the houses of their friends. --Thomas Jefferson




"The natural progress of things is for liberty to yeild, and government to gain ground." - Thomas Jefferson




"The farmer will see his government supported, his children educated, and the face of this country made a paradise by the contributions of the rich alone, without his being called on to spend a cent from his earnings." Thomas Jefferson





The religious views of Thomas Jefferson diverged widely from the orthodox Christianity of his day. Throughout his life Jefferson was intensely interested in theology, religious studies, and morality


"Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because, if there be one, he must more approve the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear."


Jefferson's Religious Beliefs « Thomas Jefferson?s Monticello

 

[Dad2three]

So when the south revolted....they were liberals ? Thanks for clearing that up.

The southern traitors were arch conservatives fighting for States rights and against "all men are created equal"

Democrats, All democrats. Started the KKK. Your fore fathers in Democrat Party. Hated MLK in 50s and 60s. Killed him.

You mean SOUTHERNERS, CONSERVATIVES did that? GOP's base today? Like the Confederates who were traitorous?






Conservatives Try to Rewrite Civil Rights History (Again)


The Republican Party that championed civil rights in the mid-to-late 19th century all but abandoned the cause in the beginning of the 20th, as white America turned away from blacks, and left them to suffer at the hands of segregationists and lynch mobs.

Yes, the Democratic Party was founded as the party of white populism, and thus, of white supremacy. But institutions change, and by the middle of the 20th century, activism, hard work, and political maneuvering had turned the Party of Andrew Johnson into a real vehicle for black rights.

Conservatives Try to Rewrite Civil Rights History (Again)

 

[Stephanie]

that's just gag worthy but typical

they think they are the most important in the country

 

[Dad2three]

Given the Founding Fathers believed in "In God We Trust," that alone eliminates them from being liberal scum.

"In God we trust" was adopted as the official motto of the United States in 1956 as an alternative or replacement to the unofficial motto of E pluribus unum, which was adopted when the Great Seal of the United States was created and adopted in 1782


lol

That was when right wingers were doing their witch hunts and decided to place God in the Gov;t, the opposite of what the most RADICAL LIBERAL OF THEIR DAY, THE FOUNDERS, wanted!

 

[Dad2three]

On the anniversary of our country, it is time to remember the greatest liberals of their day........our founding fathers

All men are created equal.....what a liberal concept

A bunch of white Christians had the vision that laws rooted in Judeo-Christian ethics and the pursuit of happiness (Capitalism) are the only society where such a liberal concept of equality can ever be realized. How these liberals and values could ever be attacked by modern day liberals is mind boggling.

Judeo-Christian? lol

The Founders NEVER heard the term, it was made up later


At least 300 years prior to the passage of the United States Constitution, North American democracy began with the Iroquois Confederacy's Law of the Great Peace. The Cherokee belong to the Iroquois language family of eastern North America.

The representative democracy of the Iroquois was extensively studied and praised by Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson, who proposed it as the basis for the United States Constitution. In a backhanded compliment at the Albany Congress in 1754, Franklin said he found it hard to believe that the 13 colonies could not agree to a political union when "Six Nations of ignorant savages" had formed one.

Constitution Convention


Secular government, ON PURPOSE


(Re-)Introducing: The American School of Economics

When the United States became independent from Britain it also rebelled against the British System of economics, characterized by Adam Smith, in favor of the American School based on protectionism and infrastructure and prospered under this system for almost 200 years to become the wealthiest nation in the world. Unrestrained free trade resurfaced in the early 1900s culminating in the Great Depression and again in the 1970s culminating in the current Economic Meltdown.

Closely related to mercantilism, it can be seen as contrary to classical economics. It consisted of these three core policies:

protecting industry through selective high tariffs (especially 1861–1932) and through subsidies (especially 1932–70)

government investments in infrastructure creating targeted internal improvements (especially in transportation)

a national bank with policies that promote the growth of productive enterprises rather than speculation



Frank Bourgin's 1989 study of the Constitutional Convention shows that direct government involvement in the economy was intended by the Founders.


The goal, most forcefully articulated by Hamilton, was to ensure that dearly won political independence was not lost by being economically and financially dependent on the powers and princes of Europe. The creation of a strong central government able to promote science, invention, industry and commerce, was seen as an essential means of promoting the general welfare and making the economy of the United States strong enough for them to determine their own destiny.


American School of Economics

American School (economics) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Listening]

Hamilton turned out to be a traitor to the very things he espoused.

He was very much in support of a strong central government.

Long live Aaron Burr.......

John Adams lost his mind sometime after he was elected.

In a very bitter fight in 1800, Adams was ousted as was most of his party (from Congress) and the flow of "centralization" stopped for a long time as more conservatives presidents were in office for a while.

 

[Oldstyle]

They were liberal in one sense (but not as your uneducated and limited mind sees it).

Post an essay consisting of not less than 250 words on what "liberal" means, how rightwinger is using it, and how rightwinger's usage differs from the liberalism demonstrated by the Founding Manpigs. Cite no less than two sources, no more than one of which can be from the internet.

Go on, we're waiting.

Post an essay on why people on the Left need to constantly "re-brand" themselves. Explain why it is that the term liberal became so toxic that those of you on the Left decided to call yourself "progressives" instead.

"Manpigs"? Really? Wow, someone has issues...