Happy 4th of July......Dont forget to thank a Liberal

[Dad2three]

Taxation without representation = Obamacare.

Next.

Too bad you cannot substantiate that with any actual facts! As in provide evidence that you have been taxed and have zero representaton.

BTW the FF created a healthcare system for sailors with a mandatory payroll tax deduction very similar to Obamacare. They even had state run hospitals and vouchers for care.

States also supported religion in the 1830's with tax dollars and were never challenged by the federal government.

Healthcare for sailors (involved in international trade) could be seen as being in the perview of the congress (as per the USC).

As to zero factuals.....

The Secretary of HHS can rewrite the regulations to include adjustments and Obama himself has delayed the mandate....all with no congressional agreement.....affecting the tax structure of the law.

And Roberts didn't say the law was a tax.....right.

In October 1801, members of the Danbury Baptists Associations wrote a letter to the new president-elect Thomas Jefferson. Baptists, being a minority in Connecticut, were still required to pay fees to support the Congregationalist majority. The Baptists found this intolerable. The Baptists, well aware of Jefferson's own unorthodox beliefs, sought him as an ally in making all religious expression a fundamental human right and not a matter of government largesse.

In his January 1, 1802 reply to the Danbury Baptist Association Jefferson summed up the First Amendment's original intent, and used for the first time anywhere a now-familiar phrase in today's political and judicial circles: the amendment established a "wall of separation between church and state."




Before the colonization of American, Europe was dominated by state dominated churches. The Church of England was supported by tax dollars and was subject to the control of the English monarchy.

Many of the early settlers in America were fleeing from these governments controlled churches. Their vision for America is very different from the European models


At least 10 of the 13 colonies had government established churches at the time the Bill of Rights was passed. All of the colonies supported churches with tax revenue in one manner or another. Sometimes the colony would authorize cities to establish and support a particular denomination with tax dollars. Other times the colony would allow a citizen to direct a portion of his tax revenues to a church that he selected.


Disestablishing these state-supported churches took different paths and occurred on different timetables. By 1787, Virginia, New York, Maryland and North Carolina had separated their state created church from the state government.

 

[Dad2three]

They were liberal in one sense (but not as your uneducated and limited mind sees it).

Post an essay consisting of not less than 250 words on what "liberal" means, how rightwinger is using it, and how rightwinger's usage differs from the liberalism demonstrated by the Founding Manpigs. Cite no less than two sources, no more than one of which can be from the internet.

Go on, we're waiting.

Post an essay on why people on the Left need to constantly "re-brand" themselves. Explain why it is that the term liberal became so toxic that those of you on the Left decided to call yourself "progressives" instead.

"Manpigs"? Really? Wow, someone has issues...

False premises, distortions and lies, the only thing right wingers have


Progressivism is a broad political philosophy based on the Idea of Progress, which asserts that advances in science, technology, economic development, and social organization can improve the human condition. Progressivism became highly significant during the Age of Enlightenment in Europe, out of the belief that Europe was demonstrating that societies could progress in civility from barbaric conditions to civilization through strengthening the basis of empirical knowledge as the foundation of society

Progressivism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Dad2three]

Hamilton turned out to be a traitor to the very things he espoused.

He was very much in support of a strong central government.

Long live Aaron Burr.......

John Adams lost his mind sometime after he was elected.

In a very bitter fight in 1800, Adams was ousted as was most of his party (from Congress) and the flow of "centralization" stopped for a long time as more conservatives presidents were in office for a while.

Madison (veto over states) and Washington too were strong FEDERAL rights supporters. Weird Who won the fight again, the federalist or anti?

 

[Listening]

Hamilton turned out to be a traitor to the very things he espoused.

He was very much in support of a strong central government.

Long live Aaron Burr.......

John Adams lost his mind sometime after he was elected.

In a very bitter fight in 1800, Adams was ousted as was most of his party (from Congress) and the flow of "centralization" stopped for a long time as more conservatives presidents were in office for a while.

Madison (veto over states) and Washington too were strong FEDERAL rights supporters. Weird Who won the fight again, the federalist or anti?

From Federalist 45 (Madison);

The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite.

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And so once again we see that the left does not understand the concept of government within government.

Who lost was the American people when FDR through his court packing effort bullied the SCOTUS into passing the New Deal legislation they kept knocking down.

Please....learn something.

Madison also penned the 10th amendment.

 

[Listening]

Post an essay consisting of not less than 250 words on what "liberal" means, how rightwinger is using it, and how rightwinger's usage differs from the liberalism demonstrated by the Founding Manpigs. Cite no less than two sources, no more than one of which can be from the internet.

Go on, we're waiting.

Post an essay on why people on the Left need to constantly "re-brand" themselves. Explain why it is that the term liberal became so toxic that those of you on the Left decided to call yourself "progressives" instead.

"Manpigs"? Really? Wow, someone has issues...

False premises, distortions and lies, the only thing right wingers have


Progressivism is a broad political philosophy based on the Idea of Progress, which asserts that advances in science, technology, economic development, and social organization can improve the human condition. Progressivism became highly significant during the Age of Enlightenment in Europe, out of the belief that Europe was demonstrating that societies could progress in civility from barbaric conditions to civilization through strengthening the basis of empirical knowledge as the foundation of society

Progressivism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That's why we laugh when you call yourselves progressives.

Want to live like Europe ? Then move.

 

[Chris]

A liberal professor from Berkley won the war in the Pacific.

 

[Oldstyle]

Post an essay consisting of not less than 250 words on what "liberal" means, how rightwinger is using it, and how rightwinger's usage differs from the liberalism demonstrated by the Founding Manpigs. Cite no less than two sources, no more than one of which can be from the internet.

Go on, we're waiting.

Post an essay on why people on the Left need to constantly "re-brand" themselves. Explain why it is that the term liberal became so toxic that those of you on the Left decided to call yourself "progressives" instead.

"Manpigs"? Really? Wow, someone has issues...

False premises, distortions and lies, the only thing right wingers have


Progressivism is a broad political philosophy based on the Idea of Progress, which asserts that advances in science, technology, economic development, and social organization can improve the human condition. Progressivism became highly significant during the Age of Enlightenment in Europe, out of the belief that Europe was demonstrating that societies could progress in civility from barbaric conditions to civilization through strengthening the basis of empirical knowledge as the foundation of society

Progressivism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Let me get this straight...you accuse me of "false premises, distortions and lies" and then try to make the point that the modern day progressive movement is from the Age of Enlightenment and not simply a recent re-brand of liberalism?

That's funny stuff...

 

[norwegen]

They were liberal in one sense (but not as your uneducated and limited mind sees it).

Post an essay consisting of not less than 250 words on what "liberal" means, how rightwinger is using it, and how rightwinger's usage differs from the liberalism demonstrated by the Founding Manpigs. Cite no less than two sources, no more than one of which can be from the internet.

Go on, we're waiting.

Post an essay on why people on the Left need to constantly "re-brand" themselves. Explain why it is that the term liberal became so toxic that those of you on the Left decided to call yourself "progressives" instead.

"Manpigs"? Really? Wow, someone has issues...

Issues? Maybe that's just the way modern liberals show reverence for the founders.

You know; 'cuz they're all of a mind.

 

[Chris]

What did liberals do that was so offensive to the conservatives? Liberals got women the right to vote. Liberals got African-Americans the right to vote. Liberals created Social Security and lifted millions of elderly people out of poverty. Liberals ended segregation. Liberals passed the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act. Liberals created Medicare. Liberals passed the Clean Air Act, the Clean Water Act. What did Conservatives do? They opposed them on every one of those things. So when you try to hurl that label at my feet, ‘Liberal,’ as if it were something to be ashamed of, something dirty, something to run away from, it won’t work, because I will pick up that label and I will wear it as a badge of honor.
- Lawrence O’Donnell Jr.

And yes, Republicans used to be liberal. Where did they go wrong?

 

[norwegen]

Post an essay on why people on the Left need to constantly "re-brand" themselves. Explain why it is that the term liberal became so toxic that those of you on the Left decided to call yourself "progressives" instead.

"Manpigs"? Really? Wow, someone has issues...

False premises, distortions and lies, the only thing right wingers have


Progressivism is a broad political philosophy based on the Idea of Progress, which asserts that advances in science, technology, economic development, and social organization can improve the human condition. Progressivism became highly significant during the Age of Enlightenment in Europe, out of the belief that Europe was demonstrating that societies could progress in civility from barbaric conditions to civilization through strengthening the basis of empirical knowledge as the foundation of society

Progressivism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Let me get this straight...you accuse me of "false premises, distortions and lies" and then try to make the point that the modern day progressive movement is from the Age of Enlightenment and not simply a recent re-brand of liberalism?

That's funny stuff...

You did know, didn't you, that the Progressive Era of the early 1900s was an opposition movement to the progressive era of the late 1700s.

 

[Listening]

What did liberals do that was so offensive to the conservatives? Liberals got women the right to vote. Liberals got African-Americans the right to vote. Liberals created Social Security and lifted millions of elderly people out of poverty. Liberals ended segregation. Liberals passed the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act. Liberals created Medicare. Liberals passed the Clean Air Act, the Clean Water Act. What did Conservatives do? They opposed them on every one of those things. So when you try to hurl that label at my feet, ‘Liberal,’ as if it were something to be ashamed of, something dirty, something to run away from, it won’t work, because I will pick up that label and I will wear it as a badge of honor.
- Lawrence O’Donnell Jr.

And yes, Republicans used to be liberal. Where did they go wrong?

Yes Chris,

We know you can post the same stuipd assed quotes over and over and over and over.....

Never posting an original thought of your own.....and we know why. Because you don't have any.

Carry on with your mindless jackbooted goosestepping.

 

[Listening]

On the anniversary of our country, it is time to remember the greatest liberals of their day........our founding fathers

All men are created equal.....what a liberal concept

How about.....

 

[Chris]

1961 to 2012

Republican president job growth - 24 million jobs in 28 years.

Democratic president job growth - 42 million jobs in 24 years.

 

[Chris]

Stocks do 9 times better with a Democrat in the White House....

While Republicans promote themselves as the friendliest party for Wall Street, stock investors do better when Democrats occupy the White House. From a dollars- and-cents standpoint, it’s not even close.

The BGOV Barometer shows that, over the five decades since John F. Kennedy was inaugurated, $1,000 invested in a hypothetical fund that tracks the Standard & Poor’s 500 Index (SPX) only when Democrats are in the White House would have been worth $10,920 at the close of trading yesterday.

That’s more than nine times the dollar return an investor would have realized from following a similar strategy during Republican administrations. A $1,000 stake invested in a fund that followed the S&P 500 under Republican presidents, starting with Richard Nixon, would have grown to $2,087 on the day George W. Bush left office.

Stocks Return More With Democrat in White House: BGOV Barometer - Bloomberg

 

[Listening]

More mindless Chris-shit.

BTW: Here's wishing that you choke on a hamburger at a BBQ today. Well, in your case, it might be a hot dog.

 

[Listening]

Should we thank the Founding Fathers for the Articles of Confederation ?

After all, that was the first government they tried.

I wonder why ?

You think it was because they just dumped a strong central government ?

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

I thought Libs were against creation?

If it were Liberal it would say, "All men evolved from the same common ape ancestor more or less equally"

We didn't evolve from apes.

 

[Listening]

I thought Libs were against creation?

If it were Liberal it would say, "All men evolved from the same common ape ancestor more or less equally"

We didn't evolve from apes.

You are right.

Apes evolved from liberals.

 

[Skull Pilot]

As liberals disagree with and work against just about every tenet put forth in the Declaration of Independemce, thanking them for the 4th of July is little different than singing Hitler's praises on Passover.

Liberals wrote the Declaration of Independence and uphold its values today

We hold these truths to be self evident that All Men are Created Equal
Right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness

The very values that conservatives seek to destroy

Unless of course you disagree with what a person decides makes him happy then you all want to ban it.

 

[rightwinger]

As liberals disagree with and work against just about every tenet put forth in the Declaration of Independemce, thanking them for the 4th of July is little different than singing Hitler's praises on Passover.

Liberals wrote the Declaration of Independence and uphold its values today

We hold these truths to be self evident that All Men are Created Equal
Right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness

The very values that conservatives seek to destroy

Unless of course you disagree with what a person decides makes him happy then you all want to ban it.

Our liberal founding fathers gave you something nobody had before......a universal right to vote

On this July 4th......thank a liberal