Just take the mantra of the right: Morals dont matter when you can make money
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Just take the mantra of the right: Morals dont matter when you can make money
Straight from Mother Jones. I don't think so. Those companies they invested in don't specialize in just making abortifacients. They make a wide array of drugs that the Hobby Lobby plan covers.
Thread fail. Citing Mother Jones and touting an opinion piece was your first mistake.
So its OK to invest in a company that sells things you find morally repugnant - as long as they sell other stuff, to.
Got it.
Those companies are in the Savings Incentive and Profit Sharing Plan for Employees of the Hobby Lobby Group.
That tells me that the employees retirement plans are invested in a number of pharmas that make thousands of prescription and non-prescription drugs, many of which save thousands of lives.
It is a stretch to say that only the owners profit, and the owners dont pick and choose the companies in a retirement plan. The investment firm that manages the fund does.
I call this BS.
And how is that different from how health insurance benefits are decided? It is between the employee and the insurer. If the employee wants contraceptives...he or she should be able to get them. The contract is between the employee and the insurance company.....just like the 401k contract is between the fund and the employee. Employer contributions are compensation in lieu of salary.
The idea that the employer is "providing" anything beyond a pool of customers for the insurance company is a joke.
Profit, losses, 401(k)s, that's not the topic. These Hobby Lobotomists were outed for their hypocrisy in April of this year and no one was paying attention until now.
But it does come down to money, and the Greens must be saving a ton on insurance plans when they cut out birth control. That's the BOTTOM LINE.
Next thing these assholes will say is getting cancer is against their religion.
What I want is sincerity. Here's the problem that I see ... there are people against ObamaCare, which they have every right to feel, but they don't have the right to impose on others who are in favor of ObamaCare. And then there are people who genuinely have grievances based on religious beliefs, which they have the Constitutional right to have, as it appeared for Hobby Lobby. Hobby Lobby courageously fought to defend those religious beliefs and they should be applauded for their efforts -- until we learn their position was feigned as they actually belong in that first group of people and that they used their religion as a tool to chip away at ObamaCare when they really don't care about birth control products as they led everyone to believe. Which brings us to the crux of the problem that I see -- if people are going to fake religious concerns to repeal laws (or in this case, part of a law), then there really is no limit to how far they will go. If they are willing to use their religion as a tool of legislative destruction, then they will feign religious excuses for getting out of ObamaCare for every reason imaginable. I had respect for the Green's until I learned it was all a ruse.The Form 5500 statement in the link shows that the net assets for Hobby Lobby employee benefits increased from about $90 million in 2011 to $108 million in 2012.
The increase was primarily due to the increased value of assets at mutual funds; e.g. American Group, Vanguard Funds, etc.
The point of investing in these funds is to allow the fund managers to choose the portfolio of individual stocks. Hobby Lobby doesn't pick these. This reduces the costs of the investments as well as maximizes the ROI.
Expecting Hobby Lobby (or almost every corporation) to weigh each investment themselves is a fantasy fueled by the butt-hurt-free-cheese-eating--nanny-state-whiny whiners that expect to incite Public Outrage among only the least sophisticated of Americans.
BTW, thanks for the link;
Hobby Lobby appears to have matched employee contributions.
You can make up all the excuses you want, but I would expect that the people who battle a provision in ObamaCare all the way to the US Supreme Court over their religious beliefs would be sincere enough in their religious beliefs to not profit off of the very product they fought so hard to reject. I agree with the court's decision but I'm disappointed to learn that Green's are not as concerned about birth control products as they led everyone to believe.
What do you want?
They are paying for 16 of the 20 required by the new Health Care Law.
What I want is sincerity. Here's the problem that I see ... there are people against ObamaCare, which they have every right to feel, but they don't have the right to impose on others who are in favor of ObamaCare. And then there are people who genuinely have grievances based on religious beliefs, which they have the Constitutional right to have, as it appeared for Hobby Lobby. Hobby Lobby courageously fought to defend those religious beliefs and they should be applauded for their efforts -- until we learn their position was feigned as they actually belong in that first group of people and that they used their religion as a tool to chip away at ObamaCare when they really don't care about birth control products as they led everyone to believe. Which brings us to the crux of the problem that I see -- if people are going to fake religious concerns to repeal laws (or in this case, part of a law), then there really is no limit to how far they will go. If they are willing to use their religion as a tool of legislative destruction, then they will feign religious excuses for getting out of ObamaCare for every reason imaginable. I had respect for the Green's until I learned it was all a ruse.You can make up all the excuses you want, but I would expect that the people who battle a provision in ObamaCare all the way to the US Supreme Court over their religious beliefs would be sincere enough in their religious beliefs to not profit off of the very product they fought so hard to reject. I agree with the court's decision but I'm disappointed to learn that Green's are not as concerned about birth control products as they led everyone to believe.
What do you want?
They are paying for 16 of the 20 required by the new Health Care Law.
.... based on public filings by Hobby Lobby ...
Savings Incentive and Profit Sharing Plan for Employees of the Hobby Lobby Group
The Form 5500 statement in the link shows that the net assets for Hobby Lobby employee benefits increased from about $90 million in 2011 to $108 million in 2012.
The increase was primarily due to the increased value of assets at mutual funds; e.g. American Group, Vanguard Funds, etc.
The point of investing in these funds is to allow the fund managers to choose the portfolio of individual stocks. Hobby Lobby doesn't pick these. This reduces the costs of the investments as well as maximizes the ROI.
Expecting Hobby Lobby (or almost every corporation) to weigh each investment themselves is a fantasy fueled by the butt-hurt-free-cheese-eating--nanny-state-whiny whiners that expect to incite Public Outrage among only the least sophisticated of Americans.
BTW, thanks for the link;
Hobby Lobby appears to have matched employee contributions.
You can make up all the excuses you want, but I would expect that the people who battle a provision in ObamaCare all the way to the US Supreme Court over their religious beliefs would be sincere enough in their religious beliefs to not profit off of the very product they fought so hard to reject. I agree with the court's decision but I'm disappointed to learn that Green's are not as concerned about birth control products as they led everyone to believe.
Straight from Mother Jones. I don't think so. Those companies they invested in don't specialize in just making abortifacients. They make a wide array of drugs that the Hobby Lobby plan covers.
Thread fail. Citing Mother Jones and touting an opinion piece was your first mistakes.
It's quoted and verified by Forbes. ANd of course you didn't click on the link to the IRS returns either, now did you?
They knew what those pharmas were making and they kept the stock anyway.
Post fail, bub.
And how is that different from how health insurance benefits are decided? It is between the employee and the insurer. If the employee wants contraceptives...he or she should be able to get them. The contract is between the employee and the insurance company.....just like the 401k contract is between the fund and the employee. Employer contributions are compensation in lieu of salary.
The idea that the employer is "providing" anything beyond a pool of customers for the insurance company is a joke.
Profit, losses, 401(k)s, that's not the topic. These Hobby Lobotomists were outed for their hypocrisy in April of this year and no one was paying attention until now.
But it does come down to money, and the Greens must be saving a ton on insurance plans when they cut out birth control. That's the BOTTOM LINE.
Next thing these assholes will say is getting cancer is against their religion.
Who cut out birth control?
What I want is sincerity. Here's the problem that I see ... there are people against ObamaCare, which they have every right to feel, but they don't have the right to impose on others who are in favor of ObamaCare. And then there are people who genuinely have grievances based on religious beliefs, which they have the Constitutional right to have, as it appeared for Hobby Lobby. Hobby Lobby courageously fought to defend those religious beliefs and they should be applauded for their efforts -- until we learn their position was feigned as they actually belong in that first group of people and that they used their religion as a tool to chip away at ObamaCare when they really don't care about birth control products as they led everyone to believe. Which brings us to the crux of the problem that I see -- if people are going to fake religious concerns to repeal laws (or in this case, part of a law), then there really is no limit to how far they will go. If they are willing to use their religion as a tool of legislative destruction, then they will feign religious excuses for getting out of ObamaCare for every reason imaginable. I had respect for the Green's until I learned it was all a ruse.What do you want?
They are paying for 16 of the 20 required by the new Health Care Law.
Hobby Lobby did not offer birth control that destroyed zygotes, not inconsistant with their beliefs. If life begins with conception, and there are few arguments against that fact, many forms of birth control kill. As for their 401ks, many questions remain.
Straight from Mother Jones. I don't think so. Those companies they invested in don't specialize in just making abortifacients. They make a wide array of drugs that the Hobby Lobby plan covers.
Thread fail. Citing Mother Jones and touting an opinion piece was your first mistakes.
It's quoted and verified by Forbes. ANd of course you didn't click on the link to the IRS returns either, now did you?
They knew what those pharmas were making and they kept the stock anyway.
Post fail, bub.
Isn't ignorance wonderful? What is quoted and verified by Forbes, is absolutely true, but what they made you believe is absolutely false. Hobby Lobby 401K plans do not belong to hobby lobby, they belong to the individual employees. Which means, in short, that your entire argument is pure BS.
The people that administer the Hobby Lobby employees' 401K retirement plans have a fiduciary duty to offer the best investment options possible for employees to choose from. Nor, does Hobby Lobby management attempt to impose their religious values on their employees' investment choices in their individual retirement plans. Once the money is credited to the individual account, it belongs to the employee, and how that employee decides to invest that money is his/her business.
Don't you loons ever get tired of being played?
Just take the mantra of the right: Morals dont matter when you can make money
It's hard not to do well these days in the market. Is your point that it's ok to ignore your religious beliefs as long as it's profitable?As I noted, though you provided facts, thank you. ( I am a 'nanny state whiney winger' one week, and a right wing extremist the next.)
Based on the statement, Hobby Lobby employees did pretty well between 2011 and 2012.
The ROR is much higher than had the investments been made in government bonds.
Please. The account belongs to the individual but Hobby Lobby allowed the pharmaceutical company, which produces the birth control products they fought against offering their employees, to be among the choice of companies their employees can invest in. The message their is, we don't want to pay for our employees' birth control but we do want our employees to make money off of others who choose those birth control products. If their religious convictions were genuine, then they wouldn't allow their employees to invest in birth control products they claim goes against their religious beliefs.Straight from Mother Jones. I don't think so. Those companies they invested in don't specialize in just making abortifacients. They make a wide array of drugs that the Hobby Lobby plan covers.
Thread fail. Citing Mother Jones and touting an opinion piece was your first mistakes.
It's quoted and verified by Forbes. ANd of course you didn't click on the link to the IRS returns either, now did you?
They knew what those pharmas were making and they kept the stock anyway.
Post fail, bub.
Isn't ignorance wonderful? What is quoted and verified by Forbes, is absolutely true, but what they made you believe is absolutely false. Hobby Lobby 401K plans do not belong to hobby lobby, they belong to the individual employees. Which means, in short, that your entire argument is pure BS.
The people that administer the Hobby Lobby employees' 401K retirement plans have a fiduciary duty to offer the best investment options possible for employees to choose from. Nor, does Hobby Lobby management attempt to impose their religious values on their employees' investment choices in their individual retirement plans. Once the money is credited to the individual account, it belongs to the employee, and how that employee decides to invest that money is his/her business.
Don't you loons ever get tired of being played?
Hobby lobby isn't the ones investing money. Their employees are. Jesus you guys have no clue how this works
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Hobby lobby isn't the ones investing money. Their employees are. Jesus you guys have no clue how this works
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And Hobby Lobby wasn't the ones who would have used the birth control products. Their employees could have.
It's hard not to do well these days in the market. Is your point that it's ok to ignore your religious beliefs as long as it's profitable?Based on the statement, Hobby Lobby employees did pretty well between 2011 and 2012.
The ROR is much higher than had the investments been made in government bonds.
Did Hobby Lobby make the decision on what to invest in, or did the individual employees make that decision? Would you want Hobby Lobby management to impose their religious views on individual employee investment choices?
Hobby lobby isn't the ones investing money. Their employees are. Jesus you guys have no clue how this works
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And Hobby Lobby wasn't the ones who would have used the birth control products. Their employees could have.
Then it's about saving money and not religious beliefs.Hobby lobby isn't the ones investing money. Their employees are. Jesus you guys have no clue how this works
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And Hobby Lobby wasn't the ones who would have used the birth control products. Their employees could have.
No dummy just spending their money not the employees. ..
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