Homosexuals say they didn't identify as homosexual until after sexually molested

[Coyote]

Two points come up in the OP:

If the table is correct, then the case for causation from this study is somewhat compromised. The table indicates that 68% of men identified as homosexual before their molestation experience.

and

One final thought, the research on sexual abuse among GLBT populations is often misused to make inferences about causation. There are many reasons why this line of research is important but causation is not at the top. Sexual abuse is a profoundly disruptive experience for many people and may contribute to a variety of negative outcomes in adulthood. Finding appropriate clinical and ministry responses may be clouded by focusing on the trauma as a cause of same-sex attraction.

Correlation is not necessarily causation.

 

[Coyote]

Actually, I provided the evidence.

The CDC calls 13 year old boys being molested by older homosexuals "men having sex with men" and states that HIV infection is climbing ...20 percent in just a few years in the age bracket they have been lumped into to hide the issue.

That is evidence, as are each of the posts by the homo lobby of usmb that post on here trying to change the subject and make excuses for the fact that 13 year old boys are being victimized by homosexuals at an increasing rate.

Where does the CDC actually refer to 13 yr old boys being molested by older men?

 

[koshergrl]

I provided the quotes and links already. Go back and read the thread.

Not that it matters, you will still argue, as the homo lobby expects you to argue, that 13 year old boys being infected with HIV at an exponential rate, and the fact that they are referred to as "men having sex with men" and lumped into an age group that includes men who are over the age of consent, is not indicative of homosexual rape of 13 year olds, or the CDC's obvious ploy meant to disguise it.

Because as we all know, the safety of children means nothing to the homo lobby. Children are a tool, and nothing more.

 

[Coyote]

I provided the quotes and links already. Go back and read the thread.

Your quotes and links aren't your supporting your claim of older men having sex with children. "Men have sex with men" is nothing more than stating it is male to male. There is no breakdown whatsoever on age of partners. You are also looking at a tiny group - there is virtually none in the age group under 15.

Not that it matters, you will still argue, as the homo lobby expects you to argue, that 13 year old boys being infected with HIV at an exponential rate,

Accept they aren't. Look at the graph. The increase is in the 15-19 and even more the 20-24 age range. At least be honest about your figures.

and the fact that they are referred to as "men having sex with men" and lumped into an age group that includes men who are over the age of consent, is not indicative of homosexual rape of 13 year olds, or the CDC's obvious ploy meant to disguise it.

First of all - provide evidence that CDC is attempting to disguise it - not just your distorted conjecture.

Here is there fact sheet on HIV in women. They include 13 yr olds in their figures. They call them ALL women. Do you suppose they are disguising pedophillia where men are molesting 13 yr old girls?

Because as we all know, the safety of children means nothing to the homo lobby. Children are a tool, and nothing more.

Pedophilia is pedophilia KG. It's illegal and rightfully so - regardless of whether the victim is male or female and the predator is male or female.

If you are going to accuse the "homo lobby" and CDC of collaborating to hide pedophilia (a pretty serious accusation) then you need to provide some hard data beyond the simple choice of words in a report and perhaps enlighten us as to your lack of concern about 13 yr old girls with HIV being grouped as "women" and having sex with "men".

 

[Montrovant]

Actually, I provided the evidence.

The CDC calls 13 year old boys being molested by older homosexuals "men having sex with men" and states that HIV infection is climbing ...20 percent in just a few years in the age bracket they have been lumped into to hide the issue.

That is evidence, as are each of the posts by the homo lobby of usmb that post on here trying to change the subject and make excuses for the fact that 13 year old boys are being victimized by homosexuals at an increasing rate.

Is the CDC part of the 'homo lobby'?

To be fair, they did call it young men having sex with men.

 

[koshergrl]

Yes, the CDC is definitely part of the homo lobby.

And men who screw 13 year olds aren't pedos, coyote. They're PEDARASTS.

"Some modern observers restrict the age of the younger partner to "generally between twelve and seventeen",[6] though historically the spread was somewhat greater. The younger partner must, in some sense, not be fully mature; this could include young men in their late teens or early twenties."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pederasty

Pedophiles go for kids that are significantly pre-adolescent. So whoever it is that is raping and infecting 13 year old "men having sex with men"...they aren't pedos.

 

[koshergrl]

BTW...

"In antiquity, pederasty was seen as an educational institution for the inculcation of moral and cultural values in some cultures,[10] as well as a form of sexual expression."

Looky there, they thought that it was good to get them young in order to fully indoctrinate them into the homosexual way of life.

Go figure!

Further evidence that pederasty is viewed with something less than horror among the homo lobby:

" The Encyclopedia of Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgender & Queer Culture offers “The erotic relationship between an adult male and a youth, generally one between the ages of twelve and seventeen, in which the older partner is attracted to the younger one who returns his affection.”[6] The Encyclopedia of Homosexuality suggests "Pederasty is the erotic relationship between an adult male and a boy, generally one between the ages of twelve and seventeen, in which the older partner is attracted to the younger one who returns his affection, whether or not the liaison leads to overt sexual contact."

Pederasty - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And let's see what the glbtq says...

"...[FONT=Trebuchet MS,Trebuchet,Times,Times New Roman,serif]what was an institutionalized practice in ancient Greece is frequently seen as a subversive and corrupting activity in the contemporary West, with the adult partner subject to draconian penalties for engaging in sexual activities with an underage boy."

Cute.

http://www.glbtq.com/social-sciences/pederasty,2.html


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[koshergrl]

Ah, another pro-pederasty comment from the homo lobby:

"[FONT=Trebuchet MS,Trebuchet,Times,Times New Roman,serif]Although most pederastic relationships are consensual, and often involve mentoring and support for the youthful partner from the adult, there is nearly always a power imbalance that makes such relationships unequal. Many adults who had such relationships in their adolescence remember them fondly."

glbtq >> social sciences >> Pederasty
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[Coyote]

Yes, the CDC is definitely part of the homo lobby.

And men who screw 13 year olds aren't pedos, coyote. They're PEDARASTS.

Correct.

"Some modern observers restrict the age of the younger partner to "generally between twelve and seventeen",[6] though historically the spread was somewhat greater. The younger partner must, in some sense, not be fully mature; this could include young men in their late teens or early twenties."

Pederasty - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Pedophiles go for kids that are significantly pre-adolescent. So whoever it is that is raping and infecting 13 year old "men having sex with men"...they aren't pedos.

You are right and that's an important distinction.

 

[Coyote]

BTW...

"In antiquity, pederasty was seen as an educational institution for the inculcation of moral and cultural values in some cultures,[10] as well as a form of sexual expression."

Looky there, they thought that it was good to get them young in order to fully indoctrinate them into the homosexual way of life.

So when older men have sex with young girls are they indoctrinating them into the heterosexual way of life?

Go figure!

Yup.

Further evidence that pederasty is viewed with something less than horror among the homo lobby:

" The Encyclopedia of Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgender & Queer Culture offers “The erotic relationship between an adult male and a youth, generally one between the ages of twelve and seventeen, in which the older partner is attracted to the younger one who returns his affection.”[6] The Encyclopedia of Homosexuality suggests "Pederasty is the erotic relationship between an adult male and a boy, generally one between the ages of twelve and seventeen, in which the older partner is attracted to the younger one who returns his affection, whether or not the liaison leads to overt sexual contact."

Pederasty - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And let's see what the glbtq says...

"...[FONT=Trebuchet MS,Trebuchet,Times,Times New Roman,serif]what was an institutionalized practice in ancient Greece is frequently seen as a subversive and corrupting activity in the contemporary West, with the adult partner subject to draconian penalties for engaging in sexual activities with an underage boy."

Cute.

glbtq >> social sciences >> Pederasty

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And yet, from your link:

The glbtq movement for equality has largely distanced itself from pederasty, in part because homophobes have often accused homosexuals of child molestation and "recruitment," but also because there are real questions about the effects of age-asymetrical sexual relationships on adolescents. ​

What's your point KG? That the "homo lobby" (whatever that is) by and large supports pederasty?

 

[AVG-JOE]

Well apparently among men who have sex with men, aka "13 year olds", HIV is increasing.

I have an idea...why don't we tell the homosexual, HIV infected men who are preying on children to knock it off.

For that matter, why don't we actually refer to 13 year olds who are being molested as *children who are being raped* rather than *men having sex with men*.

Don't look now but I think we do.

At least, we do in MY state ​

Negated by the fact that the homo lobby refuses to acknowledge that homosexual men pose a threat to children..or that the children who are victimized by them are, in fact, children..rather than MEN.

Do you have anything more substantial than your imagination that shows any evidence that there are child molesters being given a pass by police and prosecutors anywhere in the United States?

A link will be helpful.

 

[AVG-JOE]

Well apparently among men who have sex with men, aka "13 year olds", HIV is increasing.

I have an idea...why don't we tell the homosexual, HIV infected men who are preying on children to knock it off.

For that matter, why don't we actually refer to 13 year olds who are being molested as *children who are being raped* rather than *men having sex with men*.

Don't look now but I think we do.

At least, we do in MY state ​

There's just one fly in the ointment.

Gay guys didn't obey the law when homosexual acts were against the law. There's evidence it hasn't changed when it comes to introducing newcomers into the realm of that lifestyle at early ages right now, which is considered rape, all things being equal, that is.

Teacher's union files for severance pay for convicted male teacher who raped a male student

Needless to mention, the boy's dad was horrified, as was the Judge in the case and the community.

As they should have been!

Isn't there pretty solid agreement in this little nation that fucking children for ANY reason is wrong?


I'm having a hard time believing that this discussion is really necessary... nobody gets to play a 'gay card' and get a pass on prosecution when accused of molesting children.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Actually, I provided the evidence.

The CDC calls 13 year old boys being molested by older homosexuals "men having sex with men" and states that HIV infection is climbing ...20 percent in just a few years in the age bracket they have been lumped into to hide the issue.

That is evidence, as are each of the posts by the homo lobby of usmb that post on here trying to change the subject and make excuses for the fact that 13 year old boys are being victimized by homosexuals at an increasing rate.

Your evidence, as pointed out earlier in the thread, is not conclusive; it has problems.

The greater problem, which you refuse to acknowledge in your witch hunt of homosexuals, is that children are preyed on by heterosexuals and homosexuals alike.

And if a boy has been molested by a woman, then you don't seem to have much problem with that.

 

[JakeStarkey]

So 13 year old boys being infected with HIV are "men having sex with men"?

Thanks for proving the point. The cops who returned the 14 year old "man having sex with a man" to Dahmer were of the same train of thought.

That is what you are saying, but the evidence that is being given does not prove your point at all.

 

[koshergrl]

Don't look now but I think we do.

At least, we do in MY state ​

Negated by the fact that the homo lobby refuses to acknowledge that homosexual men pose a threat to children..or that the children who are victimized by them are, in fact, children..rather than MEN.

Do you have anything more substantial than your imagination that shows any evidence that there are child molesters being given a pass by police and prosecutors anywhere in the United States?

A link will be helpful.

I provided the link where the CDC refers to underaged boys who are being infected with HIV by older homosexuals as "men having sex with men".

In this way they are able to hide the abuse of the boys, by lumping them in with men who actually ARE of age.

 

[koshergrl]

Actually, I provided the evidence.

The CDC calls 13 year old boys being molested by older homosexuals "men having sex with men" and states that HIV infection is climbing ...20 percent in just a few years in the age bracket they have been lumped into to hide the issue.

That is evidence, as are each of the posts by the homo lobby of usmb that post on here trying to change the subject and make excuses for the fact that 13 year old boys are being victimized by homosexuals at an increasing rate.

Your evidence, as pointed out earlier in the thread, is not conclusive; it has problems.

The greater problem, which you refuse to acknowledge in your witch hunt of homosexuals, is that children are preyed on by heterosexuals and homosexuals alike.

And if a boy has been molested by a woman, then you don't seem to have much problem with that.

Are boys being molested by women being increasingly infected with HIV?

And I already pointed out...this isn't a PEDOPHILE issue. This is a PEDARAST issue.

 

[koshergrl]

So 13 year old boys being infected with HIV are "men having sex with men"?

Thanks for proving the point. The cops who returned the 14 year old "man having sex with a man" to Dahmer were of the same train of thought.

That is what you are saying, but the evidence that is being given does not prove your point at all.

I'm afraid it does, and you are an acknowledged lunatic and liar, so your input is of no consequence.

 

[JakeStarkey]

No, you have not, other than opined. Your evidence is not good.
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And have you shown that heterosexual men who violate girls are not giving them STDs. Nope

 

[JakeStarkey]

So 13 year old boys being infected with HIV are "men having sex with men"?

Thanks for proving the point. The cops who returned the 14 year old "man having sex with a man" to Dahmer were of the same train of thought.

That is what you are saying, but the evidence that is being given does not prove your point at all.

I'm afraid it does, and you are an acknowledged lunatic and liar, so your input is of no consequence.

My dear, that is the Board's overwhelming opinion of you: lunatic, off her meds, and lying.

 

[koshergrl]

Another thing the homo lobby does, aside from protecting the deviants and predators they harbor, is to label the gathering of any information that flies in the face of their propaganda as a *witch hunt* and the publication of that information as "hate" speech..