Debate Now Honest Debate About Abortion: Rules Posted

[Mr. Friscus]

Granted, a very polarizing topic in today's political landscape.

However, I'm happy to discuss the topic with people in good faith who aren't seeking to ego-post, troll, slander, insult, etc. Such discourse is just boring, and I lose interest.

Rules:
1. No political references or accusations. It's about the act of abortion only.
2. No flaming/insults
3. No involving religion.

My take:
At this time, Abortion should be banned after 5 weeks, or what some states view as the "heart beat bill". As science increases on the human fetus (fetus means "offspring"), it increasingly tells us that earlier and earlier measures must be taken to protect it.

This is a unique scenario that is sex-specific, thus, one cannot approach it if you view both sexes as completely and entirely equal in all physical aspects (which is biologically easily proven to be untrue).

I think there are 2 modern viewpoints on abortion.

One is from a victim mentality, with the primary focus on how the consequences of high-volume sex are "forced" onto women, how it's some sort of biological unfairness, how only women can dictate when a life should begin, how consequence-free sexual pleasure is a "right" despite biological truths, and how they should be able to be "freed" from this biological truth by putting their own interests in front of the "consequence" (aka natural cause) of the action they chose to participate in.

The other is from two mentalities, one from the philosophical, the other from the medical. It simply seeks to innocently define what human life is, and no sexes are excluded from discussing this topic, as it effects all humanity. It addresses what the act of sex causes, establishes the differences that the act has on men and women, and acknowledges how these results manifest in society. It promotes the idea that men and women are biologically different, and how that truth will manifest differently in the world by their abilities and choices. It is compassionate to the vulnerable, innocent possible-beings that are voiceless to speak out in the name of supporting their right to their own life/existence, and references medical definitions of life to provide evidence to support these claims.

What Say you?

 

[Crepitus]

Granted, a very polarizing topic in today's political landscape.

However, I'm happy to discuss the topic with people in good faith who aren't seeking to ego-post, troll, slander, insult, etc. Such discourse is just boring, and I lose interest.

Rules:
1. No political references or accusations. It's about the act of abortion only.
2. No flaming/insults
3. No involving religion.

My take:
At this time, Abortion should be banned after 5 weeks, or what some states view as the "heart beat bill". As science increases on the human fetus (fetus means "offspring"), it increasingly tells us that earlier and earlier measures must be taken to protect it.

This is a unique scenario that is sex-specific, thus, one cannot approach it if you view both sexes as completely and entirely equal in all physical aspects (which is biologically easily proven to be untrue).

I think there are 2 modern viewpoints on abortion.

One is from a victim mentality, with the primary focus on how the consequences of high-volume sex are "forced" onto women, how it's some sort of biological unfairness, how only women can dictate when a life should begin, how consequence-free sexual pleasure is a "right" despite biological truths, and how they should be able to be "freed" from this biological truth by putting their own interests in front of the "consequence" (aka natural cause) of the action they chose to participate in.

The other is from two mentalities, one from the philosophical, the other from the medical. It simply seeks to innocently define what human life is, and no sexes are excluded from discussing this topic, as it effects all humanity. It addresses what the act of sex causes, establishes the differences that the act has on men and women, and acknowledges how these results manifest in society. It promotes the idea that men and women are biologically different, and how that truth will manifest differently in the world by their abilities and choices. It is compassionate to the vulnerable, innocent possible-beings that are voiceless to speak out in the name of supporting their right to their own life/existence, and references medical definitions of life to provide evidence to support these claims.

What Say you?

A. fetus does not mean "offspring".

B. the "fetal stage" doesn't begin until 9 weeks.

C. as soon as you figure out how to make the male carry a fetus you might have a point, until then, this is over.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Your issue doesn't show up as a major voter concern in the 2024 election.

Reported. I defined the terms of the thread as non-political... it seems you're incapable of addressing the topic

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Being as looks like abortion isn't an immediate issue for the 2024 voting demographic.........One would take that as a nonpolitical issue.

Just sayin'

Reported again. Either address the issue or STFU.. you're not that important, nobody cares about your "swerves". What a joke.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

So every pregnant woman should be counted twice in the census then, right?

LMAO! Are a mom and daughter/son's minds the same? You're not serious... are you?

I simply couldn't dream of a more irrational response than the one you gave.. wow.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

When did I say they were the same mind? You don't seem to know what the census does.

I don't doubt someone with a small brain such as yourself has trouble with cognitive thought. Try harder. Be better.

Reported again. Nobody cares. No content at all.

 

[candycorn]

Reported again. Nobody cares. No content at all.

Well, you're saying life starts at conception. If someone is alive in the US, they are counted in the census.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Well, you're saying life starts at conception.

I didn't say that. Reread the OP you relied to. Wow.

 

[rampart]

Granted, a very polarizing topic in today's political landscape.

However, I'm happy to discuss the topic with people in good faith who aren't seeking to ego-post, troll, slander, insult, etc. Such discourse is just boring, and I lose interest.

Rules:
1. No political references or accusations. It's about the act of abortion only.
2. No flaming/insults
3. No involving religion.

My take:
At this time, Abortion should be banned after 5 weeks, or what some states view as the "heart beat bill". As science increases on the human fetus (fetus means "offspring"), it increasingly tells us that earlier and earlier measures must be taken to protect it.

This is a unique scenario that is sex-specific, thus, one cannot approach it if you view both sexes as completely and entirely equal in all physical aspects (which is biologically easily proven to be untrue).

I think there are 2 modern viewpoints on abortion.

One is from a victim mentality, with the primary focus on how the consequences of high-volume sex are "forced" onto women, how it's some sort of biological unfairness, how only women can dictate when a life should begin, how consequence-free sexual pleasure is a "right" despite biological truths, and how they should be able to be "freed" from this biological truth by putting their own interests in front of the "consequence" (aka natural cause) of the action they chose to participate in.

The other is from two mentalities, one from the philosophical, the other from the medical. It simply seeks to innocently define what human life is, and no sexes are excluded from discussing this topic, as it effects all humanity. It addresses what the act of sex causes, establishes the differences that the act has on men and women, and acknowledges how these results manifest in society. It promotes the idea that men and women are biologically different, and how that truth will manifest differently in the world by their abilities and choices. It is compassionate to the vulnerable, innocent possible-beings that are voiceless to speak out in the name of supporting their right to their own life/existence, and references medical definitions of life to provide evidence to support these claims.

What Say you?

consequences of high-volume sex?

do you really consider the with holding of pregnancy mitagation to be a just punishment for the "high volume " sex forced upon a 13 year old by her step father?

i'm not sure that a woman carrying a dead fetus which is rotting her organs should be treated as a high volume sex criminal.

 

[Votto]

Granted, a very polarizing topic in today's political landscape.

However, I'm happy to discuss the topic with people in good faith who aren't seeking to ego-post, troll, slander, insult, etc. Such discourse is just boring, and I lose interest.

Rules:
1. No political references or accusations. It's about the act of abortion only.
2. No flaming/insults
3. No involving religion.

My take:
At this time, Abortion should be banned after 5 weeks, or what some states view as the "heart beat bill". As science increases on the human fetus (fetus means "offspring"), it increasingly tells us that earlier and earlier measures must be taken to protect it.

This is a unique scenario that is sex-specific, thus, one cannot approach it if you view both sexes as completely and entirely equal in all physical aspects (which is biologically easily proven to be untrue).

I think there are 2 modern viewpoints on abortion.

One is from a victim mentality, with the primary focus on how the consequences of high-volume sex are "forced" onto women, how it's some sort of biological unfairness, how only women can dictate when a life should begin, how consequence-free sexual pleasure is a "right" despite biological truths, and how they should be able to be "freed" from this biological truth by putting their own interests in front of the "consequence" (aka natural cause) of the action they chose to participate in.

The other is from two mentalities, one from the philosophical, the other from the medical. It simply seeks to innocently define what human life is, and no sexes are excluded from discussing this topic, as it effects all humanity. It addresses what the act of sex causes, establishes the differences that the act has on men and women, and acknowledges how these results manifest in society. It promotes the idea that men and women are biologically different, and how that truth will manifest differently in the world by their abilities and choices. It is compassionate to the vulnerable, innocent possible-beings that are voiceless to speak out in the name of supporting their right to their own life/existence, and references medical definitions of life to provide evidence to support these claims.

What Say you?

What needs to occur is a ruling on when life begins from the Federal government.

It is akin to the slave issue. Did they possess natural rights? They later ruled they did.

The government needs to make a ruling on when the unborn obtain natural rights if at all.

To write policy about the unborn before determining their humanity is asinine

 

[Crepitus]

What needs to occur is a ruling on when life begins from the Federal government.

It is akin to the slave issue. Did they possess natural rights? They later ruled they did.

The government needs to make a ruling on when the unborn obtain natural rights if at all.

To write policy about the unborn before determining their humanity is asinine

Don't even start with the whole "natural rights" bullshit.

 

[Crepitus]

Reported again. Nobody cares. No content at all.

So what I'm seeing here is if you don't like the answer the post gets reported/deleted?

 

[martybegan]

So what I'm seeing here is if you don't like the answer the post gets reported/deleted?

What they are seeing here is you can't follow rules.

 

[martybegan]

Granted, a very polarizing topic in today's political landscape.

However, I'm happy to discuss the topic with people in good faith who aren't seeking to ego-post, troll, slander, insult, etc. Such discourse is just boring, and I lose interest.

Rules:
1. No political references or accusations. It's about the act of abortion only.
2. No flaming/insults
3. No involving religion.

My take:
At this time, Abortion should be banned after 5 weeks, or what some states view as the "heart beat bill". As science increases on the human fetus (fetus means "offspring"), it increasingly tells us that earlier and earlier measures must be taken to protect it.

This is a unique scenario that is sex-specific, thus, one cannot approach it if you view both sexes as completely and entirely equal in all physical aspects (which is biologically easily proven to be untrue).

I think there are 2 modern viewpoints on abortion.

One is from a victim mentality, with the primary focus on how the consequences of high-volume sex are "forced" onto women, how it's some sort of biological unfairness, how only women can dictate when a life should begin, how consequence-free sexual pleasure is a "right" despite biological truths, and how they should be able to be "freed" from this biological truth by putting their own interests in front of the "consequence" (aka natural cause) of the action they chose to participate in.

The other is from two mentalities, one from the philosophical, the other from the medical. It simply seeks to innocently define what human life is, and no sexes are excluded from discussing this topic, as it effects all humanity. It addresses what the act of sex causes, establishes the differences that the act has on men and women, and acknowledges how these results manifest in society. It promotes the idea that men and women are biologically different, and how that truth will manifest differently in the world by their abilities and choices. It is compassionate to the vulnerable, innocent possible-beings that are voiceless to speak out in the name of supporting their right to their own life/existence, and references medical definitions of life to provide evidence to support these claims.

What Say you?

I don't think you can completely eliminate the political aspect, because the crux of the question is when does the new life's existence become equal to or takes precedence over the whims of the mother?

For someone like me, that line is about 10-15 weeks.

 

[Zincwarrior]

1. No political references or accusations. It's about the act of abortion only.
2. No flaming/insults
3. No involving religion.

I will bite.

Here begins the rant:

Abortion is a terrible thing. However, it is an issue between the woman and her doctor. Government interference effectively interferes with the most basic of rights - the right to self. It literally creates a slavery system where the woman is now slave to the baby.

It is a personal thing, and there are many reasons it occurs. The woman is not ready. The woman has children already. The woman has health issues. The baby may have been wanted, but abnormalities have been discovered. But whatever the reason, it is a personal decision between her and the doctor, and the STATE has no right to interfere with a person's most fundamental right of self.

If one is against abortion, then personally don't have an abortion. But using the power of the STATE, the power of MEN with GUNS to impose your will on half the population's very bodies, is not acceptable.

Here ends the rant.

 

[Flopper]

Reported again. Nobody cares. No content at all.

Th majorities of both men (61%) and women (64%) expressed support for legal abortion. When asked if you considered yourself pro choice or pro life, only 41% said pro life. The support for legalized abortion has been increasing for over a decade as confirmed by both PEW and Gallup polls. Gallup reports that the support for making abortion illegal in all cases case has fallen to a new low 12%. With a majority of adults favoring legal abortion, a national law seems very unlikely.

With the abortion pill now available without prescription and available by mail legally in many states and avail by mail from outside country, state laws against abortion will be enforced about as well as state prohibition laws.

Abortion Trends by Age

This page provides Gallup's long-term trends on Americans' views about abortion by age, including their views on legality and their preferred label.

news.gallup.com

Public Opinion on Abortion

While public support for legal abortion has fluctuated some in two decades of polling, it has remained relatively stable over the past five years.

www.pewresearch.org

 

[martybegan]

Th majorities of both men (61%) and women (64%) expressed support for legal abortion. When asked if you considered yourself pro choice or pro life, only 41% said pro life. The support for legalized abortion has been increasing for over a decade as confirmed by both PEW and Gallup polls. Gallup reports that the support for making abortion illegal in all cases case has fallen to a new low 12%. With a majority of adults favoring legal abortion, a national law seems very unlikely.

With the abortion pill now available without prescription and available by mail legally in many states and avail by mail from outside country, state laws against abortion will be enforced about as well as state prohibition laws.

Abortion Trends by Age

This page provides Gallup's long-term trends on Americans' views about abortion by age, including their views on legality and their preferred label.

news.gallup.com

Public Opinion on Abortion

While public support for legal abortion has fluctuated some in two decades of polling, it has remained relatively stable over the past five years.

www.pewresearch.org

The thing is that support ends at the 2nd trimester for birth control abortions, sometimes it ends at the 1st.

I support a ban on birth control abortions from 10-15 weeks. What does that make me?

 

[Zincwarrior]

I support a ban on birth control abortions from 10-15 weeks. What does that make me?

No exceptions? Anti Abortion. with health etc.? In line with the majority of US polling.

 

[martybegan]

No exceptions? Anti Abortion. with health etc.? In line with the majority of US polling.

I said birth control abortions. And "health" can mean the woman worries her ankles will swell if she remains pregnant.

Most polling would be OK with life of the mother, and honestly once you get to the 3rd trimester just C-sectioning the baby out is easier than aborting it.

 

[Zincwarrior]

I said birth control abortions. And "health" can mean the woman worries her ankles will swell if she remains pregnant.

Most polling would be OK with life of the mother, and honestly once you get to the 3rd trimester just C-sectioning the baby out is easier than aborting it.

Physical abnormalities of the child at that point is a major driver. So no exceptions for rape or health of the mother?
That would be considered an anti-abortion stance.