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contentious legislation is always a mess. The house and senate spar regularly. Did you just hatch last week?
I am sad to see more of the American dream bashed on the shores of the Obamaborg ... shattered to a million pieces and soon to be washed away like so many other freedoms.
I, on the other hand, am vastly amused at all the wing-nuts losing their heads, and running around screaming, "the sky is falling, they're gonna take our kidneys, OH MY GOD, we might actually HAVE to get health insurance, the INJUSTICE of it all, OMG, it's the END OF AMERICA"
LMAO, no wonder you people lost the last couple of elections, you're a bunch of whining ninnies. You're exactly the same kind of ninnies that cried when Social Security was first enacted a 70 years ago, and when Medicare was done in the 1960s. You act like this is some "marxist plot" to destroy America, instead of an overhaul of an over-priced health-care system that leaves 40 million people without access to preventive medicine.
By all means, keep up the hysterics, it's funny as hell!
The point you are missing is that the government is forcing us to buy the insurance it chooses. not the insurance we may want.
i know my insurance costs will go up. i have an HSA right now but that will be deemed "unacceptable" by some fucking bureaucrat and i will have to pay for coverage I don't need.
As I said, if my insurance costs rise to well above what the tax penalty will be if I don't buy, then I will pay the penalty and exploit the law that says I can't be denied insurance for preexisting conditions.
So I will only buy insurance when I am sick and that will raise everyone else's premiums.
Too bad so sad but my bottom line is more important to me than yours.
Do you have a link to the legislation that deems insurance through buying catastrophic insurance and having an HSA, will be eliminated as a choice, or not considered you covering yourself with insurance?
I agree with you that this would be wrong to exclude these type of plans, but I don;t believe they are eliminating them as "insurance coverage" for you...
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Unfortunately, HSAs (along with their use-it-or-lose-it cousins FSAs) are also under the gun in the house bill released today: HSAs and FSAs will have to shoulder a medicine cabinet taxmeaning that while you used to be able to buy over-the-counter medicines with tax-free account money, youll now only be able to use after-tax dollars. The bill raises the additional tax on non-qualified withdrawals from an HSA (raising the tax from 10% to 20%). HSAs will effectively be killed by a final provision, which requires that most plans provide first-dollar coverage for most services.
Health Savings Accounts (HSAs): <br> Best Policy Solution Killed by Obamacare
The sky is falling.
We better pass a healthcare bill.
Wait, it's not falling till 2013, when the health care bill will finally take effect.
Exactly.
The Barry will tax the shit out of Americans starting on January 1st, 2010 to pay off his current 1.7 trillion dollar budget deficit and then in 2013..WE ALL GET BENT OVER AND FUCKED BY THIS BULLSHIT GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTHCARE SCHEME. In the mean time he gets to say "Look...I reduced the budget deficit to zero...re-elect me!!!!"
Remember this post in 2012.
America is about to get screwed by The Barry......the biggest con ever perpetrated on the citizens of the United States is about to take place unless we all write our Senators and stop it. We already know they don't care about anything but their jobs so threaten to vote them out if they pass this socialist scheme aimed at taking more freedoms away from us.
Imagine trying to merge this bill with the Senate bill what a clusterfucked mess.
If Uhc is so fabulous why would the house need to criminalize not participating in the system?(up to 5 years imprisionment) I mean if its so great everyone will be tripping over themselves to sign up for health care coverage.
I was just reading your signature (great quotes, btw) and noticed the famous JFK "ask not what your country can do for you"..... I wonder when the Demcrates turned against Kennedy.
What about those who can't but still don't want to?It's a 2.5% penalty for individuals that do not buy insurance that can afford it, those who can;t will be subsidized with "affordability credits", and businesses over $500,000 I believe, who do not offer group insurance to their employees.... but if they don;t then their penalty is 8% of their profit....
This is what i heard on c-span this morning.
It's a 2.5% penalty for individuals that do not buy insurance that can afford it, those who can;t will be subsidized with "affordability credits", and businesses over $500,000 I believe, who do not offer group insurance to their employees.... but if they don;t then their penalty is 8% of their profit....
This is what i heard on c-span this morning.
What about those who can't but still don't want to?It's a 2.5% penalty for individuals that do not buy insurance that can afford it, those who can;t will be subsidized with "affordability credits", and businesses over $500,000 I believe, who do not offer group insurance to their employees.... but if they don;t then their penalty is 8% of their profit....
This is what i heard on c-span this morning.
And since when does gov't get to mandate what insurance I do and do not have?
And what if a company spends more than 8% of profits on health insurance for employees? What will happen to their health insurance? Two guesses, first one doesn't count.
The point you are missing is that the government is forcing us to buy the insurance it chooses. not the insurance we may want.
i know my insurance costs will go up. i have an HSA right now but that will be deemed "unacceptable" by some fucking bureaucrat and i will have to pay for coverage I don't need.
As I said, if my insurance costs rise to well above what the tax penalty will be if I don't buy, then I will pay the penalty and exploit the law that says I can't be denied insurance for preexisting conditions.
Too bad so sad but my bottom line is more important to me than yours.
I also heard that insurance companies will be required to spend 85% of what they charge people in premiums, on actual health care services....
15% allowed for overhead/administration costs.
That really surprised me....
had any of you heard about this measure in the bill....
I am uncertain what to make of it....need to think about it a bit....
i am totally AGAINST the mandatory measure in this bill...i think this is a GIFT HORSE to the insurance industry, without them ever having to compete for these new customers.
i am totally AGAINST the mandatory measure in this bill...i think this is a GIFT HORSE to the insurance industry, without them ever having to compete for these new customers.
Agreed. Talk about "Cororate Welfare"?
Bravo, bravo bravo, America moves forward ever so slowly but still forward. Good news, let's hope it passes through all the required phases and we have a bit of hope and justice for all Americans.
i am totally AGAINST the mandatory measure in this bill...i think this is a GIFT HORSE to the insurance industry, without them ever having to compete for these new customers.
Agreed. Talk about "Cororate Welfare"?
Through the Rangel amendment these assholes can lock you up if you don't pay the big boys.