I asked Grok: If the Palestinians did get their wish of controlling all the land “from the river to the sea,” how long would it take for them to turn

[Drop Dead Fred]

I like how Grok went along with the writer's assumption that this would definitely happen. The question wasn't if it would happen. The question was when it would happen.

I asked Grok: If the Palestinians did get their wish of controlling all the land “from the river to the sea,” how long would it take for them to turn it from a first world country into a third world country?

By Daniel Alman (aka Dan from Squirrel Hill) April 25, 2025 Any other AI probably would have accused me to all sorts of racism, bigotry, Islamophobia, etc. But Grok actually answered my question. H…

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I asked Grok: If the Palestinians did get their wish of controlling all the land “from the river to the sea,” how long would it take for them to turn it from a first world country into a third world country?​

By Daniel Alman (aka Dan from Squirrel Hill)

April 25, 2025

Any other AI probably would have accused me to all sorts of racism, bigotry, Islamophobia, etc.

But Grok actually answered my question.

Heh heh heh.

I asked Grok:

If the Palestinians did get their wish of controlling all the land “from the river to the sea,” how long would it take for them to turn it from a first world country into a third world country?

This is the answer that it gave:

Predicting the outcome of such a hypothetical scenario involves many variables and assumptions, making precise timelines speculative. If Palestinians gained control over the entire territory from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea, the trajectory would depend on governance, economic policies, international relations, and internal stability.

Israel currently has a developed economy with a GDP per capita of around $55,000 (2023 data), advanced infrastructure, and a strong tech sector. Transitioning control could disrupt existing systems—ports, airports, tech industries, and trade networks—especially if conflict or mismanagement occurs. Historical examples of rapid governance changes (e.g., post-colonial transitions or regime shifts) suggest declines can happen within a decade if institutions falter, corruption rises, or external support wanes.

Palestinian governance in Gaza and the West Bank offers clues. Gaza, under Hamas since 2007, faces severe economic challenges, with a GDP per capita around $1,200 and reliance on aid, partly due to blockades and conflict. The West Bank, under the Palestinian Authority, has a GDP per capita of about $4,300 but struggles with corruption and restricted autonomy. Scaling these models to a larger, more complex economy like Israel’s could amplify issues if governance isn’t robust.

Factors accelerating decline:

Institutional breakdown: Dismantling Israel’s systems without effective replacements could disrupt services and markets within 1–3 years.

Brain drain: Emigration of skilled professionals could weaken industries like tech and healthcare in 2–5 years.

Conflict or isolation: Loss of trade partners or ongoing violence could stagnate growth, with effects visible in 5–10 years.

Factors mitigating decline:

International aid: Support from allies could sustain infrastructure.

Natural resources: Access to Israel’s assets (e.g., gas fields) could fund development if managed well.

Governance reforms: Effective leadership could maintain or adapt existing systems.

Without stable institutions, investment, and peace, a slide toward “third world” status—marked by low GDP per capita, weak infrastructure, and instability—could begin within 5–10 years and solidify in 20–30 years. However, this assumes no major stabilizing interventions.

Outcomes could vary widely based on leadership and global dynamics.

If you want, I can dig into specific economic or historical parallels for a deeper analysis.

 

[Rigby5]

I like how Grok went along with the writer's assumption that this would definitely happen. The question wasn't if it would happen. The question was when it would happen.

I asked Grok: If the Palestinians did get their wish of controlling all the land “from the river to the sea,” how long would it take for them to turn it from a first world country into a third world country?

By Daniel Alman (aka Dan from Squirrel Hill) April 25, 2025 Any other AI probably would have accused me to all sorts of racism, bigotry, Islamophobia, etc. But Grok actually answered my question. H…

danfromsquirrelhill.wordpress.com

I asked Grok: If the Palestinians did get their wish of controlling all the land “from the river to the sea,” how long would it take for them to turn it from a first world country into a third world country?​

By Daniel Alman (aka Dan from Squirrel Hill)

April 25, 2025

Any other AI probably would have accused me to all sorts of racism, bigotry, Islamophobia, etc.

But Grok actually answered my question.

Heh heh heh.

I asked Grok:

If the Palestinians did get their wish of controlling all the land “from the river to the sea,” how long would it take for them to turn it from a first world country into a third world country?

This is the answer that it gave:

Predicting the outcome of such a hypothetical scenario involves many variables and assumptions, making precise timelines speculative. If Palestinians gained control over the entire territory from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea, the trajectory would depend on governance, economic policies, international relations, and internal stability.

Israel currently has a developed economy with a GDP per capita of around $55,000 (2023 data), advanced infrastructure, and a strong tech sector. Transitioning control could disrupt existing systems—ports, airports, tech industries, and trade networks—especially if conflict or mismanagement occurs. Historical examples of rapid governance changes (e.g., post-colonial transitions or regime shifts) suggest declines can happen within a decade if institutions falter, corruption rises, or external support wanes.

Palestinian governance in Gaza and the West Bank offers clues. Gaza, under Hamas since 2007, faces severe economic challenges, with a GDP per capita around $1,200 and reliance on aid, partly due to blockades and conflict. The West Bank, under the Palestinian Authority, has a GDP per capita of about $4,300 but struggles with corruption and restricted autonomy. Scaling these models to a larger, more complex economy like Israel’s could amplify issues if governance isn’t robust.

Factors accelerating decline:

Institutional breakdown: Dismantling Israel’s systems without effective replacements could disrupt services and markets within 1–3 years.

Brain drain: Emigration of skilled professionals could weaken industries like tech and healthcare in 2–5 years.

Conflict or isolation: Loss of trade partners or ongoing violence could stagnate growth, with effects visible in 5–10 years.

Factors mitigating decline:

International aid: Support from allies could sustain infrastructure.

Natural resources: Access to Israel’s assets (e.g., gas fields) could fund development if managed well.

Governance reforms: Effective leadership could maintain or adapt existing systems.

Without stable institutions, investment, and peace, a slide toward “third world” status—marked by low GDP per capita, weak infrastructure, and instability—could begin within 5–10 years and solidify in 20–30 years. However, this assumes no major stabilizing interventions.

Outcomes could vary widely based on leadership and global dynamics.

If you want, I can dig into specific economic or historical parallels for a deeper analysis.



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Wrong.
Israel never paid for any of the things they steal, like the land native land their homes and farms are on.
Israel also relies heavily on donations, like $250 billion the US government gives them every year.
Israel also gets tens of billion in donations from private US citizens.

And your main problem is that Palestinians are much better off with a simple rural life style than a stressful high tech and wealthy one.

 

[luiza]

I asked Plonk how long it would take the Palestine Freedom Fighters to burn and cleanse Israel .

It said one day .

 

[BluesLegend]

Look there are winners and losers in this world, happens daily in all of nature so get over it.

 

[Leo123]

Old Silicon Valley saying....."Garbage in/Garbage out.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Israel never paid for any of the things they steal, like the land native land their homes and farms are on

Until you realize they are living on land Arab farmers sold the Jews in the 1920s. It was only until the Arabs wanted their land back after selling it fair and square that their hatred for Jews manifested into what it is today. They want the land back because they're mad the Jews didn't give it back.

 

[Foxfyre]

Wrong.
Israel never paid for any of the things they steal, like the land native land their homes and farms are on.
Israel also relies heavily on donations, like $250 billion the US government gives them every year.
Israel also gets tens of billion in donations from private US citizens.

And your main problem is that Palestinians are much better off with a simple rural life style than a stressful high tech and wealthy one.

The USA funds Israel a little over $3 billion a year with the vast majority of that going to fund their military that is strategic for our own interests in that area.

 

[TemplarKormac]

And your main problem is that Palestinians are much better off with a simple rural life style than a stressful high tech and wealthy one.

In other words, you want them to live in the abject poverty they're living in as of now.

 

[Darkwind]

I like how Grok went along with the writer's assumption that this would definitely happen. The question wasn't if it would happen. The question was when it would happen.

I asked Grok: If the Palestinians did get their wish of controlling all the land “from the river to the sea,” how long would it take for them to turn it from a first world country into a third world country?

By Daniel Alman (aka Dan from Squirrel Hill) April 25, 2025 Any other AI probably would have accused me to all sorts of racism, bigotry, Islamophobia, etc. But Grok actually answered my question. H…

danfromsquirrelhill.wordpress.com

I asked Grok: If the Palestinians did get their wish of controlling all the land “from the river to the sea,” how long would it take for them to turn it from a first world country into a third world country?​

By Daniel Alman (aka Dan from Squirrel Hill)

April 25, 2025

Any other AI probably would have accused me to all sorts of racism, bigotry, Islamophobia, etc.

But Grok actually answered my question.

Heh heh heh.

I asked Grok:

If the Palestinians did get their wish of controlling all the land “from the river to the sea,” how long would it take for them to turn it from a first world country into a third world country?

This is the answer that it gave:

Predicting the outcome of such a hypothetical scenario involves many variables and assumptions, making precise timelines speculative. If Palestinians gained control over the entire territory from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea, the trajectory would depend on governance, economic policies, international relations, and internal stability.

Israel currently has a developed economy with a GDP per capita of around $55,000 (2023 data), advanced infrastructure, and a strong tech sector. Transitioning control could disrupt existing systems—ports, airports, tech industries, and trade networks—especially if conflict or mismanagement occurs. Historical examples of rapid governance changes (e.g., post-colonial transitions or regime shifts) suggest declines can happen within a decade if institutions falter, corruption rises, or external support wanes.

Palestinian governance in Gaza and the West Bank offers clues. Gaza, under Hamas since 2007, faces severe economic challenges, with a GDP per capita around $1,200 and reliance on aid, partly due to blockades and conflict. The West Bank, under the Palestinian Authority, has a GDP per capita of about $4,300 but struggles with corruption and restricted autonomy. Scaling these models to a larger, more complex economy like Israel’s could amplify issues if governance isn’t robust.

Factors accelerating decline:

Institutional breakdown: Dismantling Israel’s systems without effective replacements could disrupt services and markets within 1–3 years.

Brain drain: Emigration of skilled professionals could weaken industries like tech and healthcare in 2–5 years.

Conflict or isolation: Loss of trade partners or ongoing violence could stagnate growth, with effects visible in 5–10 years.

Factors mitigating decline:

International aid: Support from allies could sustain infrastructure.

Natural resources: Access to Israel’s assets (e.g., gas fields) could fund development if managed well.

Governance reforms: Effective leadership could maintain or adapt existing systems.

Without stable institutions, investment, and peace, a slide toward “third world” status—marked by low GDP per capita, weak infrastructure, and instability—could begin within 5–10 years and solidify in 20–30 years. However, this assumes no major stabilizing interventions.

Outcomes could vary widely based on leadership and global dynamics.

If you want, I can dig into specific economic or historical parallels for a deeper analysis.



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Interesting. I just asked Perplexity the same thing and it returned this information.


[COLOR=oklch(0.93 0.003 106.451)]The question of how quickly Palestinians would turn Israel "from a first world country into a third world country" if they controlled all the land "from the river to the sea" is highly speculative and rooted in political assumptions rather than economic analysis. However, it is possible to address the underlying issues by examining:

• The current state and challenges of the Palestinian economy
• The structural factors affecting economic performance
• What would realistically be required for economic transformation, either positive or negative

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[COLOR=oklch(0.93 0.003 106.451)]Current Economic Realities in Palestinian Territories[/COLOR]​

[COLOR=oklch(0.93 0.003 106.451)]The Palestinian economy, under occupation and blockade, has faced severe constraints:

• Sharp GDP Contractions: In 2024, the Palestinian economy contracted by 27–28% overall, with Gaza’s GDP dropping by over 80% and West Bank GDP by 19%
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  . Unemployment reached 51% overall and 80% in Gaza
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• Collapse of Basic Services: Widespread destruction, displacement, and collapse of basic services have created a humanitarian catastrophe
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• Dependence on Israel and Aid: The economy is heavily dependent on Israel for trade, employment, and customs revenues, as well as on international aid
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• Resource Access: Palestinians are denied access to much of their land, water, and natural resources, which has stunted economic development
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[COLOR=oklch(0.93 0.003 106.451)]Structural Barriers and Institutional Challenges[/COLOR]​

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• Lack of Sovereignty: The Palestinian economy has been shaped by decades of occupation, with limited control over borders, resources, and policymaking
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• Institutional Weakness: Decades of fragmentation, political division, and reliance on aid have weakened Palestinian institutions and the private sector
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• External Shocks: The economy is extremely vulnerable to political and military shocks, as seen in the rapid economic collapses during conflicts
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[COLOR=oklch(0.93 0.003 106.451)]Hypothetical Scenario: Palestinians Control All the Land[/COLOR]​

[COLOR=oklch(0.93 0.003 106.451)]If Palestinians were to gain full control over the territory, several factors would determine the economic trajectory:

• Transition Period: Any abrupt transition of control would likely cause massive disruption to existing institutions, trade networks, and economic activity. The loss of Israeli management, investment, and technological infrastructure would severely impact the economy in the short term.
• Institutional Capacity: The ability of Palestinian institutions to manage a modern, complex economy at Israel’s current level is untested. Building effective governance, rule of law, and economic policy would take many years, if not decades
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• Resource Utilization: Palestinians would gain access to significant natural resources and land, but developing these assets would require stability, investment, and expertise
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• International Recognition and Investment: Economic performance would depend on the level of international recognition, investment, and integration into global markets.

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[COLOR=oklch(0.93 0.003 106.451)]How Long Would Economic Decline Take?[/COLOR]​

[COLOR=oklch(0.93 0.003 106.451)]There is no empirical basis to predict a specific timeline for "turning Israel into a third world country." However, comparative evidence suggests:

• Rapid Decline Is Unlikely Without Catastrophic Mismanagement: Even with major disruptions, economies with developed infrastructure and human capital do not collapse overnight. Examples like Venezuela or Zimbabwe show that it takes years of severe mismanagement, corruption, and isolation for a first-world economy to fall to third-world status.
• Palestinian Economic Management: The Palestinian Authority, under extreme constraints, has not demonstrated the capacity to run a high-income, technologically advanced economy. But this does not mean instant collapse; rather, there would likely be a period of severe contraction, followed by a long, difficult process of rebuilding or further decline, depending on governance and external support
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• External Factors: The outcome would depend heavily on international response, investment, and whether peace and stability could be maintained.

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[COLOR=oklch(0.93 0.003 106.451)]Summary Table: Key Factors in Hypothetical Transition[/COLOR]​

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Factor	Current Israel	Current Palestinian Territories	Hypothetical Transition (Short-Term)
GDP per Capita	High	Low	Likely sharp decline
Institutional Capacity	Strong	Weak/Fragmented	Major disruption, rebuilding needed
Access to Resources	Full	Severely restricted	Improved, but requires investment
International Investment	High	Low, aid-dependent	Uncertain, depends on recognition
Human Capital	High	Moderate	Potential brain drain/disruption
Infrastructure	Advanced	Damaged/underdeveloped	At risk of neglect/disrepair

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[COLOR=oklch(0.93 0.003 106.451)]Conclusion[/COLOR]​

[COLOR=oklch(0.93 0.003 106.451)]

• The premise that Palestinians would quickly turn Israel into a "third world country" is not supported by economic evidence; such a transformation would require years of catastrophic mismanagement, international isolation, and institutional collapse.
• Any transition would face enormous challenges, but the outcome would depend on governance, international support, and the ability to maintain stability and attract investment.
• The current dire state of the Palestinian economy is primarily a result of occupation, blockade, and lack of access to resources, not intrinsic incapacity
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In short, while an abrupt change in control would likely cause severe short-term economic disruption, the timeline and extent of any long-term decline would depend on a complex interplay of governance, resources, and international engagement-not inevitability or a fixed schedule.

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[EvilCat Breath]

I asked Plonk how long it would take the Palestine Freedom Fighters to burn and cleanse Israel .

It said one day .

Give Israel the go-ahead to sterilize Gaza and the West Bank, how long before they wipe out the trash?

 

[mudwhistle]

Wrong.
Israel never paid for any of the things they steal, like the land native land their homes and farms are on.
Israel also relies heavily on donations, like $250 billion the US government gives them every year.
Israel also gets tens of billion in donations from private US citizens.

And your main problem is that Palestinians are much better off with a simple rural life style than a stressful high tech and wealthy one.

 

[Doc7505]

I like how Grok went along with the writer's assumption that this would definitely happen. The question wasn't if it would happen. The question was when it would happen.

I asked Grok: If the Palestinians did get their wish of controlling all the land “from the river to the sea,” how long would it take for them to turn it from a first world country into a third world country?

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I asked Grok: If the Palestinians did get their wish of controlling all the land “from the river to the sea,” how long would it take for them to turn it from a first world country into a third world country?​

By Daniel Alman (aka Dan from Squirrel Hill)

April 25, 2025

Any other AI probably would have accused me to all sorts of racism, bigotry, Islamophobia, etc.

But Grok actually answered my question.

Heh heh heh.

I asked Grok:

If the Palestinians did get their wish of controlling all the land “from the river to the sea,” how long would it take for them to turn it from a first world country into a third world country?

This is the answer that it gave:

Predicting the outcome of such a hypothetical scenario involves many variables and assumptions, making precise timelines speculative. If Palestinians gained control over the entire territory from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea, the trajectory would depend on governance, economic policies, international relations, and internal stability.

Israel currently has a developed economy with a GDP per capita of around $55,000 (2023 data), advanced infrastructure, and a strong tech sector. Transitioning control could disrupt existing systems—ports, airports, tech industries, and trade networks—especially if conflict or mismanagement occurs. Historical examples of rapid governance changes (e.g., post-colonial transitions or regime shifts) suggest declines can happen within a decade if institutions falter, corruption rises, or external support wanes.

Palestinian governance in Gaza and the West Bank offers clues. Gaza, under Hamas since 2007, faces severe economic challenges, with a GDP per capita around $1,200 and reliance on aid, partly due to blockades and conflict. The West Bank, under the Palestinian Authority, has a GDP per capita of about $4,300 but struggles with corruption and restricted autonomy. Scaling these models to a larger, more complex economy like Israel’s could amplify issues if governance isn’t robust.

Factors accelerating decline:

Institutional breakdown: Dismantling Israel’s systems without effective replacements could disrupt services and markets within 1–3 years.

Brain drain: Emigration of skilled professionals could weaken industries like tech and healthcare in 2–5 years.

Conflict or isolation: Loss of trade partners or ongoing violence could stagnate growth, with effects visible in 5–10 years.

Factors mitigating decline:

International aid: Support from allies could sustain infrastructure.

Natural resources: Access to Israel’s assets (e.g., gas fields) could fund development if managed well.

Governance reforms: Effective leadership could maintain or adapt existing systems.

Without stable institutions, investment, and peace, a slide toward “third world” status—marked by low GDP per capita, weak infrastructure, and instability—could begin within 5–10 years and solidify in 20–30 years. However, this assumes no major stabilizing interventions.

Outcomes could vary widely based on leadership and global dynamics.

If you want, I can dig into specific economic or historical parallels for a deeper analysis.



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Based upon Grok's response, it's analysis doesn't seem for a bright future for the Palestinians if they succeed in their efforts to control the land from the river to the see.
Additionally, Grok does not answer what would happen to the jews that presently occupy those lands. Would they be allowed to remain? Would Hamas repeat the horrors of the Nazi's? Just what Hamas do with an estimated 10 million Jews. presently living there?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Wrong.
Israel never paid for any of the things they steal, like the land native land their homes and farms are on.
Israel also relies heavily on donations, like $250 billion the US government gives them every year.
Israel also gets tens of billion in donations from private US citizens.

And your main problem is that Palestinians are much better off with a simple rural life style than a stressful high tech and wealthy one.

When did the Arabs get the land you feel the Israelis stole?