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tyranny of the majority is fail.
fryenza, are you suggesting that we directly vote on all bills, local state and federal? When would we even have the time?
THAT's the BEAUTY of it!!!
We'd vote about what WE care about,
what we take the time to read about and understand!
If we don't care?
We wouldn't vote.
But let me ask you THIS:
If it's IMPORTANT? Wouldn't you sort of research it and get a good feel for the entire ambience of it?
We ALL would.
We spend hours here, arguing and disCUSSing with each other, eh?
Why wouldn't we READ and THINK for those hours?
About our future? About our children's futures? About how It IS?
WE CARE. We wouldn't be HERE if we didn't, eh?
So I say to Big Gov, and to lying Representatives: Get Lost.
I"LL Speak for ME.
Ummm....
What was the question, again?
A committee of 300 million might be unwieldly.
Why?
With a program set to Count Votes, Pro and Con,
it would be MUCH simpler than what we go through, right now.
fryenza, are you suggesting that we directly vote on all bills, local state and federal? When would we even have the time?
fryenza, are you suggesting that we directly vote on all bills, local state and federal? When would we even have the time?
THAT's the BEAUTY of it!!!
We'd vote about what WE care about,
what we take the time to read about and understand!
If we don't care?
We wouldn't vote.
But let me ask you THIS:
If it's IMPORTANT? Wouldn't you sort of research it and get a good feel for the entire ambience of it?
We ALL would.
We spend hours here, arguing and disCUSSing with each other, eh?
Why wouldn't we READ and THINK for those hours?
About our future? About our children's futures? About how It IS?
WE CARE. We wouldn't be HERE if we didn't, eh?
So I say to Big Gov, and to lying Representatives: Get Lost.
I"LL Speak for ME.
Ummm....
What was the question, again?
I care about Clean Air, about safe drugs, and about safe food, fyrenza. But I am not a scientist. I cannot master the raw data or the analysis of it and make an informed choice about such matters. It helps me (though it is not an efficient system) to elect representatives I have some confidence in who have a staff and can cope with such matters for me. If I don't like how they do their jobs, I fire them (elect someone else).
The direct "town meeting" style of government you are proposing is not even theorectically possible.
Fyrenza is not proposing that everyone be involved in writing all the bills that come out of the government, only that we have a say in the approval process. Why does everyone think voters are so stupid they cannot make decisions for themselves?
THAT's the BEAUTY of it!!!
We'd vote about what WE care about,
what we take the time to read about and understand!
If we don't care?
We wouldn't vote.
But let me ask you THIS:
If it's IMPORTANT? Wouldn't you sort of research it and get a good feel for the entire ambience of it?
We ALL would.
We spend hours here, arguing and disCUSSing with each other, eh?
Why wouldn't we READ and THINK for those hours?
About our future? About our children's futures? About how It IS?
WE CARE. We wouldn't be HERE if we didn't, eh?
So I say to Big Gov, and to lying Representatives: Get Lost.
I"LL Speak for ME.
Ummm....
What was the question, again?
I care about Clean Air, about safe drugs, and about safe food, fyrenza. But I am not a scientist. I cannot master the raw data or the analysis of it and make an informed choice about such matters. It helps me (though it is not an efficient system) to elect representatives I have some confidence in who have a staff and can cope with such matters for me. If I don't like how they do their jobs, I fire them (elect someone else).
The direct "town meeting" style of government you are proposing is not even theorectically possible.
Yet you think that the idiot that is representing you in Congress understands these things?
This is not a call for you to write the laws, just vote on them. Imagine what would happen if Congress couldn't just tell us we need to let them pass a law so we would know what is in it?
I have looked at a lot bills. Most of them are quite complex. Some running hundreds and even thousands of pages. Congressman dedicate staff members to analyzing the bills and hire consultants. There is no way the general public could understand what they are voting on. This would be a disaster.fryenza, are you suggesting that we directly vote on all bills, local state and federal? When would we even have the time?
THAT's the BEAUTY of it!!!
We'd vote about what WE care about,
what we take the time to read about and understand!
If we don't care?
We wouldn't vote.
But let me ask you THIS:
If it's IMPORTANT? Wouldn't you sort of research it and get a good feel for the entire ambience of it?
We ALL would.
We spend hours here, arguing and disCUSSing with each other, eh?
Why wouldn't we READ and THINK for those hours?
About our future? About our children's futures? About how It IS?
WE CARE. We wouldn't be HERE if we didn't, eh?
So I say to Big Gov, and to lying Representatives: Get Lost.
I"LL Speak for ME.
Ummm....
What was the question, again?
I have looked at a lot bills. Most of them are quite complex. Some running hundreds and even thousands of pages. Congressman dedicate staff members to analyzing the bills and hire consultants. There is no way the general public could understand what they are voting on. This would be a disaster.
Nearly every home contains a personal computer, and each of those computers are "named" via a number, eh?
So why can't WE vote for what WE want,
or don't want?
Why are we STUCK LIKE CHUCK in this "representative" / proxy type of system?
The "representatives" have shown that they will straight-up LIE about how they will represent us, and we're STUCK with their Big Idea of what's going to be Good For Us.
This must end.
WE have voices,
and we have the means to make them heard.
Thoughts?
tyranny of the majority is fail.
Tyranny of the majority?!?
In a democratic republic,
the majority RULES, eh?
If you're too stupid to figure out a computer?
You don't need to be voting, imho.
Do you know how easy it is to hack such a system?
Not very, actually.
One would have to enslave ever how many computers you could hack in order to do it.
It wouldn't be worth anything to anyone, actually, 'cuz the costs of doing it would be EXORBITANT, and the return wouldn't be worth it.
What do you want?
Mainly, the things the politicos PROMISE me ~
how THEY are going to represent me.
But they LIE to me, and I'm tired of it.
If I vote for someone to SAY this, and VOTE this way on the issues,
I certainly Do Not expect them to backpedal and mealy mouth their way around VOTING in the manner that they have TOLD me they will vote.
I'm sick of being lied to.
I'm tired of voting for someone that doesn't mean MOST of what they say,
folks that can be coerced into stabbing ME in the back.
I want to vote for the things I find important,
and I don't want folks that haven't the vaguest idea of what's going on to have a say in MY, and the rest of our, futures.
If they can't READ, understand the implications, and vote from a standpoint of Knowledge, I don't want them to have a say in anyone's life.
We've seen what that brings us, eh?
fryenza, are you suggesting that we directly vote on all bills, local state and federal? When would we even have the time?
THAT's the BEAUTY of it!!!
We'd vote about what WE care about,
what we take the time to read about and understand!
If we don't care?
We wouldn't vote.
But let me ask you THIS:
If it's IMPORTANT? Wouldn't you sort of research it and get a good feel for the entire ambience of it?
We ALL would.
We spend hours here, arguing and disCUSSing with each other, eh?
Why wouldn't we READ and THINK for those hours?
About our future? About our children's futures? About how It IS?
WE CARE. We wouldn't be HERE if we didn't, eh?
So I say to Big Gov, and to lying Representatives: Get Lost.
I"LL Speak for ME.
Ummm....
What was the question, again?
You don't understand UNIQUE names, do you?
Our computers ALL have unique names, in the form of NUMBERS.
Hack away.
IT WOULD BE COST INEFFECTIVE for anyone to try to hack ALL of our personal computers.
Do any of y'all know how business works in the U.S.?
It's PROFIT oriented.
If there's NOT a Good Return for the bux spent?
FOR FUCKING GET IT.
THAT's the BEAUTY of it!!!
We'd vote about what WE care about,
what we take the time to read about and understand!
If we don't care?
We wouldn't vote.
But let me ask you THIS:
If it's IMPORTANT? Wouldn't you sort of research it and get a good feel for the entire ambience of it?
We ALL would.
We spend hours here, arguing and disCUSSing with each other, eh?
Why wouldn't we READ and THINK for those hours?
About our future? About our children's futures? About how It IS?
WE CARE. We wouldn't be HERE if we didn't, eh?
So I say to Big Gov, and to lying Representatives: Get Lost.
I"LL Speak for ME.
Ummm....
What was the question, again?
I care about Clean Air, about safe drugs, and about safe food, fyrenza. But I am not a scientist. I cannot master the raw data or the analysis of it and make an informed choice about such matters. It helps me (though it is not an efficient system) to elect representatives I have some confidence in who have a staff and can cope with such matters for me. If I don't like how they do their jobs, I fire them (elect someone else).
The direct "town meeting" style of government you are proposing is not even theorectically possible.
Yet you think that the idiot that is representing you in Congress understands these things?
This is not a call for you to write the laws, just vote on them. Imagine what would happen if Congress couldn't just tell us we need to let them pass a law so we would know what is in it?
I have looked at a lot bills. Most of them are quite complex. Some running hundreds and even thousands of pages. Congressman dedicate staff members to analyzing the bills and hire consultants. There is no way the general public could understand what they are voting on. This would be a disaster.fryenza, are you suggesting that we directly vote on all bills, local state and federal? When would we even have the time?
THAT's the BEAUTY of it!!!
We'd vote about what WE care about,
what we take the time to read about and understand!
If we don't care?
We wouldn't vote.
But let me ask you THIS:
If it's IMPORTANT? Wouldn't you sort of research it and get a good feel for the entire ambience of it?
We ALL would.
We spend hours here, arguing and disCUSSing with each other, eh?
Why wouldn't we READ and THINK for those hours?
About our future? About our children's futures? About how It IS?
WE CARE. We wouldn't be HERE if we didn't, eh?
So I say to Big Gov, and to lying Representatives: Get Lost.
I"LL Speak for ME.
Ummm....
What was the question, again?