Israeli Court Convicts Palestinian Child Who Was Nearly Beaten To Death By Mob

[Coyote]

A Palestinian child, Ahmad Manasra, 14, was convicted Tuesday of two counts of attempted murder, despite a lack of evidence, a video showing him being severely beaten and insulted by a crowd shouting racial slurs, and video showing Israeli interrogators brutalizing and intimidating the crying child with no family member or lawyer present.

Manasra was 13 at the time of his arrest, and the Israeli court decided to allow the prosecution’s request to delay his court hearing until January, when he turned 14 and was allowed, under Israeli law, to be tried as an adult. The Israeli Knesset used Manasra’s case as an example when they voted several months ago to change the age at which a Palestinian child can be tried as an adult from 14 to 12.

Israeli children, in contrast, are considered ‘minors’ until the age of 18.
Israeli Court Convicts Palestinian Child Who Was Nearly Beaten To Death By Mob
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Surprisingly, the linked al-Jazeera story (below) says absolutely nothing about Manasra being "Nearly Beaten to Death by Mob."

Could it be that Mintpress - a site whose contributors are not journalists but rather activists/bloggers - has, like you, an agenda that willfully - even eagerly - plays fast and loose with the facts?

Perhaps you believe al-Jazeera is a Zionist media outlet?

The kid was complicit in an unprovoked knife attack on others. Like the Israeli who was recently convicted and sentenced for his part in such an attack, Manasra should and will face Israeli court justice.

Get over it.

Palestinian teen could face 'maximum sentence'

The article also states:

According to Israeli law, children under 14 cannot be sentenced to jail. Last November, however, in a preliminary vote, the Israeli Knesset approved a bill that would allow Palestinian minors under 14 who are facing terrorism charges to receive prison sentences, which they would start serving upon turning 14.

If passed, the law would only affect children who are citizens of Israel, as Israeli military law already allows for children from the occupied West Bank and Gaza to be placed in security prisons from the age of 12.​

 

[Coyote]

Saying there is something wrong with the justice system here is not saying it isn't wrong to stab kids.

Holding him without charge until he turns 14 sounds pretty wrong imo.
Trying a 12 year old as an adult is way wrong - they aren't adults, not in brain development, not in maturity- does that mean 12 year olds are then put in prisons with adults?
Applying it only to Palestinian kids but not Jewish kids? Nothing wrong with that? No wonder the Israeli justice system has had a lot criticism levied at it over it's treatment of Palestinian minors.

First, as you've already pointed out the accuracy of the reporting of the OP and its link, is clearly lacking, so right away we know we should make investigation to discover what is fact.

Agree, and it is apparently partial fact/partial distortion. The law applies within Israel. Palestinians outside Israel fall under Military Law.

Knesset advances bill to imprison terrorist minors

The legislative initiative gained traction after multiple terror attacks in recent months in which Palestinian teenagers stabbed Israelis.

“Today children are being used [in terror], and we see children in the Islamic State group cutting off people’s heads, and Palestinian terrorists aged 11, children inducted at the entrances to schools,” Berko said. “This law offers deterrence and prevention. This law will give greater security to the citizens of Israel, Jews and Arabs alike.”​

This is deceptive - he's deliberately attempting to draw parallels between IS and Palestinian children in order to stir up greater fear and support.

MK Osama Sa’adi of the Joint List criticized Berko for putting so much focus on terror in a law that also covers a range of other youth-related crimes.

“Anat Berko wants to take one section of the Youth Law,” which deals with minors in the context of criminal law, “and attach it to acts of terror,” Sa’adi said. “I didn’t hear Anat Berko getting worked up against cases of pedophiles, drug dealing, murder, and offenses like that.

“You aren’t asking to put [other young offenders] in prison, but when a Palestinian youngster throws a stone you want to put him in prison,” he said. “This is part of the continued incitement against the Palestinian public.”

...Israel’s penal code defines minors as people under 18 years of age; for the purpose of prosecution for very serious crimes, the minimum age at which they can be tried as adults is 14.​

This is where the OP distorting it's claim - the law and it's changes applies to all Israeli's and legal residents, the others are under military law. So the implication that there are two standards in the law is false (ie 18 for Jews and 14 for Pali's is a lie).

What remains to be seen is whether it is applied equitably, which I have doubts.

Also, we can check with RoccoR , but if you are going to argue that Palestine is "occupied" then Israeli law CAN NOT be applied to Palestinian citizens -- Israel is compelled to follow the existing law which is Jordanian.

Actually, that is not entirely true...the laws that govern Palestine are very muddy and unclear - and think it only applies to death penalty cases.

At this point, it is still considered Occupied Territory - until that changes, and the territorial claims are resolved that is what I refer it to.

 

[Shusha]

This post is an example of why it's so hard to discuss injustices in Israel's legal system - you get accused of "singling out Israel".

Nope. This thread is an example of how the anti-Israeli posters set up threads in order to demonize Israel, usually while creating topic headings which are false or exaggerated, are laden with emotional or provocative language, reverse victim and perpetrator and put all the responsibility on Israel RATHER than making a just and reasoned criticism of Israel's policies. If we were to make a just and reasoned criticism of Israel's polices the thread title might have been: Should Palestinian child convicted of attempted murder be tried as an adult?

 

[Coyote]

This post is an example of why it's so hard to discuss injustices in Israel's legal system - you get accused of "singling out Israel".

Nope. This thread is an example of how the anti-Israeli posters set up threads in order to demonize Israel, usually while creating topic headings which are false or exaggerated, are laden with emotional or provocative language, reverse victim and perpetrator and put all the responsibility on Israel RATHER than making a just and reasoned criticism of Israel's policies. If we were to make a just and reasoned criticism of Israel's polices the thread title might have been: Should Palestinian child convicted of attempted murder be tried as an adult?

I agree. I did some more research on the OP claim. Given the OP, it's not surprising so I should have researched first.

 

[Lipush]

Manasra was 13 at the time of his arrest, and the Israeli court decided to allow the prosecution’s request to delay his court hearing until January, when he turned 14 and was allowed, under Israeli law, to be tried as an adult. The Israeli Knesset used Manasra’s case as an example when they voted several months ago to change the age at which a Palestinian child can be tried as an adult from 14 to 12.

Israeli children, in contrast, are considered ‘minors’ until the age of 18.

If all this is true, it is way wrong.

It is wrong to stab kids too.

If he can be old enough to take a kitchen knife and tear out someone's guts, he's old enough to face the consequence.

All those sympathising with him instead of the child he stabbed can go to hell.

Saying there is something wrong with the justice system here is not saying it isn't wrong to stab kids.

Holding him without charge until he turns 14 sounds pretty wrong imo.
Trying a 12 year old as an adult is way wrong - they aren't adults, not in brain development, not in maturity- does that mean 12 year olds are then put in prisons with adults?
Applying it only to Palestinian kids but not Jewish kids? Nothing wrong with that? No wonder the Israeli justice system has had a lot criticism levied at it over it's treatment of Palestinian minors.

I agree that we should press charges against him now, then he'll be in lock up just the same, but without people protesting. Let it be regular prison, juveyhall, either way he's not going to just walk out, you do realize that, right?

And the Israeli justice system is rotten, I agree. But Ahmed Manasra is another terrorist like the rest, so, I don't really care about him. Better strees out about other people who suffer the wrath of our court for no apparant reason (AKA Roman Zadorov)

 

[Lipush]

Ahmed Menasara stabbed a 13 year old Israeli child, almost to death, while said child was riding his bike.

For some reason, the victim turned out to be the little shithead Manasra, instead of young Shalev, who still has not fully recovered from his injuries.

So Ahmed got a good beatup for trying to murder a kid, boo hoo.

"For the lack of evidence", it's good thing we have a free press that is also especialist on evidence finding. If there is evidence or not, the court will decide it.

Hopefully for his murderous nature, this little punk will stay a long time behind bars.

wonder what makes young kids do this sort of thing, oh wait they just might be mad that Israel bulldozed their homes , your IDF are so lazy ass if they can't subdue a 13 year old teenager.

The child in this case, Ahmad Manasra, was severely beaten, hit by a car, and repeatedly kicked and punched in the head by an angry Israeli mob who believed that he had participated in a stabbing in which a 13-year old Israeli boy was wounded.

However, Manasra and his lawyers contend that he had nothing to do with the stabbing, which was carried out by Manasra’s 15-year old cousin, who was killed at the scene of the attack.

Incitements makes kids do those things.

We have not questioned the reason, the reason is known. They're nursed incitement along with their mothers' breastmilk

Oh taken from the terrorist Shamir (yous hate everyone, take a look in the mirror)

Shamir publicly declared his animus for Poles by stating that "every Pole sucked anti-Semitism with his mother's milk." Shamir contradicted his spokesman, who attempted to keep the comment off the record, and insisted that he wanted his comment publicized.[35

Had he said it about the Ishmaelites, he would have been spot on.

 

[Phoenall]

Another victim of The Warrior Religion, which puts it into childrens' heads to commit violence against their fellow man in the name of Allah.

Any GOOD parent would have packed-up and moved their children away from such possibilities, ages ago.

Tragically, we now have another case of a wee little Neanderthal, led astray, busted for trying to hurt others, and now paying a grown-up price for his stupidity.

Oh, well... another gullible Allah-blinded statistic... life goes on...

And yet Jews think Yahweh gave them the land. What right do secular jews think they have to Palestine?

Your right a good parent would not live there with kids. Zionist only reap what they sow.

And then along come the Christians and claim the same thing as God took away the covenant away from the Jews. Now the muslims have stolen that and claim they were given the world by God, and they have to take it by force.

The truth is the Jews secular and religious mostly think that the LoN gave them the land for their NATIONal home back in 1923 and that the world reneged on the deal in 1947 by trying to give half to illegal immigrants because they where Nazi's and Jew haters.


It seems that the Palestinians have sown some very dodgy seeds as they keep getting killed in vast numbers when they start the wars. You would think that they would have learned their lessons by now

 

[Phoenall]

Manasra was 13 at the time of his arrest, and the Israeli court decided to allow the prosecution’s request to delay his court hearing until January, when he turned 14 and was allowed, under Israeli law, to be tried as an adult. The Israeli Knesset used Manasra’s case as an example when they voted several months ago to change the age at which a Palestinian child can be tried as an adult from 14 to 12.

Israeli children, in contrast, are considered ‘minors’ until the age of 18.

If all this is true, it is way wrong.

WHY it is the law of that land. I think allowing child rapists to walk free on a plea bargain is wrong but you allow it in the US

 

[Coyote]

Manasra was 13 at the time of his arrest, and the Israeli court decided to allow the prosecution’s request to delay his court hearing until January, when he turned 14 and was allowed, under Israeli law, to be tried as an adult. The Israeli Knesset used Manasra’s case as an example when they voted several months ago to change the age at which a Palestinian child can be tried as an adult from 14 to 12.

Israeli children, in contrast, are considered ‘minors’ until the age of 18.

If all this is true, it is way wrong.

It is wrong to stab kids too.

If he can be old enough to take a kitchen knife and tear out someone's guts, he's old enough to face the consequence.

All those sympathising with him instead of the child he stabbed can go to hell.

Saying there is something wrong with the justice system here is not saying it isn't wrong to stab kids.

Holding him without charge until he turns 14 sounds pretty wrong imo.
Trying a 12 year old as an adult is way wrong - they aren't adults, not in brain development, not in maturity- does that mean 12 year olds are then put in prisons with adults?
Applying it only to Palestinian kids but not Jewish kids? Nothing wrong with that? No wonder the Israeli justice system has had a lot criticism levied at it over it's treatment of Palestinian minors.

I agree that we should press charges against him now, then he'll be in lock up just the same, but without people protesting. Let it be regular prison, juveyhall, either way he's not going to just walk out, you do realize that, right?

And the Israeli justice system is rotten, I agree. But Ahmed Manasra is another terrorist like the rest, so, I don't really care about him. Better strees out about other people who suffer the wrath of our court for no apparant reason (AKA Roman Zadorov)

I care about children that can end up abused in the system - yes he should serve a sentance, but to wait to charge him so he can be charged as an adult seems wrong unless it's a particularly brutal and henious crime.

We had a recent scandal (Kalief Browder) a 16 yr old, who was incarcerated without trial for 3 years, two of which were in solitary confinement and committed suicide. The subsequent investigation revealed huge problems and injustices in the juvenile justice system in general and the use of solitary confinement in particular.

 

[Phoenall]

Manasra was 13 at the time of his arrest, and the Israeli court decided to allow the prosecution’s request to delay his court hearing until January, when he turned 14 and was allowed, under Israeli law, to be tried as an adult. The Israeli Knesset used Manasra’s case as an example when they voted several months ago to change the age at which a Palestinian child can be tried as an adult from 14 to 12.

Israeli children, in contrast, are considered ‘minors’ until the age of 18.

If all this is true, it is way wrong.

It is wrong to stab kids too.

If he can be old enough to take a kitchen knife and tear out someone's guts, he's old enough to face the consequence.

All those sympathising with him instead of the child he stabbed can go to hell.

Saying there is something wrong with the justice system here is not saying it isn't wrong to stab kids.

Holding him without charge until he turns 14 sounds pretty wrong imo.
Trying a 12 year old as an adult is way wrong - they aren't adults, not in brain development, not in maturity- does that mean 12 year olds are then put in prisons with adults?
Applying it only to Palestinian kids but not Jewish kids? Nothing wrong with that? No wonder the Israeli justice system has had a lot criticism levied at it over it's treatment of Palestinian minors.

No they held him on a charge of attempted murder, he was not held without being charged.

He was 13 when he premeditated and deliberately went out to stab someone, didn't two girls in the US get jail just recently for the same thing, and they had to wait how long to be tried ?

No applying the law for the territory it happened in, again you are trying to claim that the Jews are being racist when they apply the Geneva conventions. See how they work now as in Israeli law he would be a minor until he was 18, but in Jordanian/Palestinian law he is an adult at 14 and he can be held for that length of time.

 

[Coyote]

,,

Manasra was 13 at the time of his arrest, and the Israeli court decided to allow the prosecution’s request to delay his court hearing until January, when he turned 14 and was allowed, under Israeli law, to be tried as an adult. The Israeli Knesset used Manasra’s case as an example when they voted several months ago to change the age at which a Palestinian child can be tried as an adult from 14 to 12.

Israeli children, in contrast, are considered ‘minors’ until the age of 18.

If all this is true, it is way wrong.

WHY it is the law of that land. I think allowing child rapists to walk free on a plea bargain is wrong but you allow it in the US

So you think the "law of the land" is justifiable no matter what? I don't.

 

[Phoenall]

Ahmed Menasara stabbed a 13 year old Israeli child, almost to death, while said child was riding his bike.

For some reason, the victim turned out to be the little shithead Manasra, instead of young Shalev, who still has not fully recovered from his injuries.

So Ahmed got a good beatup for trying to murder a kid, boo hoo.

"For the lack of evidence", it's good thing we have a free press that is also especialist on evidence finding. If there is evidence or not, the court will decide it.

Hopefully for his murderous nature, this little punk will stay a long time behind bars.

wonder what makes young kids do this sort of thing, oh wait they just might be mad that Israel bulldozed their homes , your IDF are so lazy ass if they can't subdue a 13 year old teenager.

The child in this case, Ahmad Manasra, was severely beaten, hit by a car, and repeatedly kicked and punched in the head by an angry Israeli mob who believed that he had participated in a stabbing in which a 13-year old Israeli boy was wounded.

However, Manasra and his lawyers contend that he had nothing to do with the stabbing, which was carried out by Manasra’s 15-year old cousin, who was killed at the scene of the attack.

Incitements makes kids do those things.

We have not questioned the reason, the reason is known. They're nursed incitement along with their mothers' breastmilk

Oh taken from the terrorist Shamir (yous hate everyone, take a look in the mirror)

Shamir publicly declared his animus for Poles by stating that "every Pole sucked anti-Semitism with his mother's milk." Shamir contradicted his spokesman, who attempted to keep the comment off the record, and insisted that he wanted his comment publicized.[35

And he was right in what he said, you do know that most of the death camps were in Poland don't you. And that Poland is now the most anti semitic nation on this earth

 

[Lipush]

Manasra was 13 at the time of his arrest, and the Israeli court decided to allow the prosecution’s request to delay his court hearing until January, when he turned 14 and was allowed, under Israeli law, to be tried as an adult. The Israeli Knesset used Manasra’s case as an example when they voted several months ago to change the age at which a Palestinian child can be tried as an adult from 14 to 12.

Israeli children, in contrast, are considered ‘minors’ until the age of 18.

If all this is true, it is way wrong.

It is wrong to stab kids too.

If he can be old enough to take a kitchen knife and tear out someone's guts, he's old enough to face the consequence.

All those sympathising with him instead of the child he stabbed can go to hell.

Saying there is something wrong with the justice system here is not saying it isn't wrong to stab kids.

Holding him without charge until he turns 14 sounds pretty wrong imo.
Trying a 12 year old as an adult is way wrong - they aren't adults, not in brain development, not in maturity- does that mean 12 year olds are then put in prisons with adults?
Applying it only to Palestinian kids but not Jewish kids? Nothing wrong with that? No wonder the Israeli justice system has had a lot criticism levied at it over it's treatment of Palestinian minors.

I agree that we should press charges against him now, then he'll be in lock up just the same, but without people protesting. Let it be regular prison, juveyhall, either way he's not going to just walk out, you do realize that, right?

And the Israeli justice system is rotten, I agree. But Ahmed Manasra is another terrorist like the rest, so, I don't really care about him. Better strees out about other people who suffer the wrath of our court for no apparant reason (AKA Roman Zadorov)

I care about children that can end up abused in the system - yes he should serve a sentance, but to wait to charge him so he can be charged as an adult seems wrong unless it's a particularly brutal and henious crime.

We had a recent scandal (Kalief Browder) a 16 yr old, who was incarcerated without trial for 3 years, two of which were in solitary confinement and committed suicide. The subsequent investigation revealed huge problems and injustices in the juvenile justice system in general and the use of solitary confinement in particular.

I care about children who get stabbed by riding a bike, more than I care about this boy. He's not "abused" by any system. He stabbed someone, he's a risk to his surrounding and should be locked up. There is remand and arrest till trial, it is not something that Israel invented.

And for the record, this boy was treated in an Israeli hospital. There was a video of him being fed by one of OUR doctors (!) while he cried out for the foreign media about him not being attended good enough by the Israelis.

So I'm sorry for being blunt, but, screw him. Seriously.

 

[Lipush]

Manasra was 13 at the time of his arrest, and the Israeli court decided to allow the prosecution’s request to delay his court hearing until January, when he turned 14 and was allowed, under Israeli law, to be tried as an adult. The Israeli Knesset used Manasra’s case as an example when they voted several months ago to change the age at which a Palestinian child can be tried as an adult from 14 to 12.

Israeli children, in contrast, are considered ‘minors’ until the age of 18.

If all this is true, it is way wrong.

It is wrong to stab kids too.

If he can be old enough to take a kitchen knife and tear out someone's guts, he's old enough to face the consequence.

All those sympathising with him instead of the child he stabbed can go to hell.

Saying there is something wrong with the justice system here is not saying it isn't wrong to stab kids.

Holding him without charge until he turns 14 sounds pretty wrong imo.
Trying a 12 year old as an adult is way wrong - they aren't adults, not in brain development, not in maturity- does that mean 12 year olds are then put in prisons with adults?
Applying it only to Palestinian kids but not Jewish kids? Nothing wrong with that? No wonder the Israeli justice system has had a lot criticism levied at it over it's treatment of Palestinian minors.

I agree that we should press charges against him now, then he'll be in lock up just the same, but without people protesting. Let it be regular prison, juveyhall, either way he's not going to just walk out, you do realize that, right?

And the Israeli justice system is rotten, I agree. But Ahmed Manasra is another terrorist like the rest, so, I don't really care about him. Better strees out about other people who suffer the wrath of our court for no apparant reason (AKA Roman Zadorov)

I care about children that can end up abused in the system - yes he should serve a sentance, but to wait to charge him so he can be charged as an adult seems wrong unless it's a particularly brutal and henious crime.

We had a recent scandal (Kalief Browder) a 16 yr old, who was incarcerated without trial for 3 years, two of which were in solitary confinement and committed suicide. The subsequent investigation revealed huge problems and injustices in the juvenile justice system in general and the use of solitary confinement in particular.

So what is that you suggest? us sending him off on his merry way?

 

[Coyote]

If all this is true, it is way wrong.

It is wrong to stab kids too.

If he can be old enough to take a kitchen knife and tear out someone's guts, he's old enough to face the consequence.

All those sympathising with him instead of the child he stabbed can go to hell.

Saying there is something wrong with the justice system here is not saying it isn't wrong to stab kids.

Holding him without charge until he turns 14 sounds pretty wrong imo.
Trying a 12 year old as an adult is way wrong - they aren't adults, not in brain development, not in maturity- does that mean 12 year olds are then put in prisons with adults?
Applying it only to Palestinian kids but not Jewish kids? Nothing wrong with that? No wonder the Israeli justice system has had a lot criticism levied at it over it's treatment of Palestinian minors.

I agree that we should press charges against him now, then he'll be in lock up just the same, but without people protesting. Let it be regular prison, juveyhall, either way he's not going to just walk out, you do realize that, right?

And the Israeli justice system is rotten, I agree. But Ahmed Manasra is another terrorist like the rest, so, I don't really care about him. Better strees out about other people who suffer the wrath of our court for no apparant reason (AKA Roman Zadorov)

I care about children that can end up abused in the system - yes he should serve a sentance, but to wait to charge him so he can be charged as an adult seems wrong unless it's a particularly brutal and henious crime.

We had a recent scandal (Kalief Browder) a 16 yr old, who was incarcerated without trial for 3 years, two of which were in solitary confinement and committed suicide. The subsequent investigation revealed huge problems and injustices in the juvenile justice system in general and the use of solitary confinement in particular.

I care about children who get stabbed by riding a bike, more than I care about this boy. He's not "abused" by any system. He stabbed someone, he's a risk to his surrounding and should be locked up. There is remand and arrest till trial, it is not something that Israel invented.

And for the record, this boy was treated in an Israeli hospital. There was a video of him being fed by one of OUR doctors (!) while he cried out for the foreign media about him not being attended good enough by the Israelis.

So I'm sorry for being blunt, but, screw him. Seriously.

His trial is being deliberately delayed for months so he can be sentanced as an adult. I don't think that is right.

 

[Coyote]

If all this is true, it is way wrong.

It is wrong to stab kids too.

If he can be old enough to take a kitchen knife and tear out someone's guts, he's old enough to face the consequence.

All those sympathising with him instead of the child he stabbed can go to hell.

Saying there is something wrong with the justice system here is not saying it isn't wrong to stab kids.

Holding him without charge until he turns 14 sounds pretty wrong imo.
Trying a 12 year old as an adult is way wrong - they aren't adults, not in brain development, not in maturity- does that mean 12 year olds are then put in prisons with adults?
Applying it only to Palestinian kids but not Jewish kids? Nothing wrong with that? No wonder the Israeli justice system has had a lot criticism levied at it over it's treatment of Palestinian minors.

I agree that we should press charges against him now, then he'll be in lock up just the same, but without people protesting. Let it be regular prison, juveyhall, either way he's not going to just walk out, you do realize that, right?

And the Israeli justice system is rotten, I agree. But Ahmed Manasra is another terrorist like the rest, so, I don't really care about him. Better strees out about other people who suffer the wrath of our court for no apparant reason (AKA Roman Zadorov)

I care about children that can end up abused in the system - yes he should serve a sentance, but to wait to charge him so he can be charged as an adult seems wrong unless it's a particularly brutal and henious crime.

We had a recent scandal (Kalief Browder) a 16 yr old, who was incarcerated without trial for 3 years, two of which were in solitary confinement and committed suicide. The subsequent investigation revealed huge problems and injustices in the juvenile justice system in general and the use of solitary confinement in particular.

So what is that you suggest? us sending him off on his merry way?

I already stated that - try him, sentance him, and let him serve it.

 

[Lipush]

It is wrong to stab kids too.

If he can be old enough to take a kitchen knife and tear out someone's guts, he's old enough to face the consequence.

All those sympathising with him instead of the child he stabbed can go to hell.

Saying there is something wrong with the justice system here is not saying it isn't wrong to stab kids.

Holding him without charge until he turns 14 sounds pretty wrong imo.
Trying a 12 year old as an adult is way wrong - they aren't adults, not in brain development, not in maturity- does that mean 12 year olds are then put in prisons with adults?
Applying it only to Palestinian kids but not Jewish kids? Nothing wrong with that? No wonder the Israeli justice system has had a lot criticism levied at it over it's treatment of Palestinian minors.

I agree that we should press charges against him now, then he'll be in lock up just the same, but without people protesting. Let it be regular prison, juveyhall, either way he's not going to just walk out, you do realize that, right?

And the Israeli justice system is rotten, I agree. But Ahmed Manasra is another terrorist like the rest, so, I don't really care about him. Better strees out about other people who suffer the wrath of our court for no apparant reason (AKA Roman Zadorov)

I care about children that can end up abused in the system - yes he should serve a sentance, but to wait to charge him so he can be charged as an adult seems wrong unless it's a particularly brutal and henious crime.

We had a recent scandal (Kalief Browder) a 16 yr old, who was incarcerated without trial for 3 years, two of which were in solitary confinement and committed suicide. The subsequent investigation revealed huge problems and injustices in the juvenile justice system in general and the use of solitary confinement in particular.

I care about children who get stabbed by riding a bike, more than I care about this boy. He's not "abused" by any system. He stabbed someone, he's a risk to his surrounding and should be locked up. There is remand and arrest till trial, it is not something that Israel invented.

And for the record, this boy was treated in an Israeli hospital. There was a video of him being fed by one of OUR doctors (!) while he cried out for the foreign media about him not being attended good enough by the Israelis.

So I'm sorry for being blunt, but, screw him. Seriously.

His trial is being deliberately delayed for months so he can be sentanced as an adult. I don't think that is right.

He won't be judged as an adult, either way.

Criminal responsibility age in Israel is 12, and he's past that age. He can't be locked up in prison before 14, but he can be sent to an institution.

 

[Phoenall]

Manasra was 13 at the time of his arrest, and the Israeli court decided to allow the prosecution’s request to delay his court hearing until January, when he turned 14 and was allowed, under Israeli law, to be tried as an adult. The Israeli Knesset used Manasra’s case as an example when they voted several months ago to change the age at which a Palestinian child can be tried as an adult from 14 to 12.

Israeli children, in contrast, are considered ‘minors’ until the age of 18.

If all this is true, it is way wrong.

It is wrong to stab kids too.

If he can be old enough to take a kitchen knife and tear out someone's guts, he's old enough to face the consequence.

All those sympathising with him instead of the child he stabbed can go to hell.

Saying there is something wrong with the justice system here is not saying it isn't wrong to stab kids.

Holding him without charge until he turns 14 sounds pretty wrong imo.
Trying a 12 year old as an adult is way wrong - they aren't adults, not in brain development, not in maturity- does that mean 12 year olds are then put in prisons with adults?
Applying it only to Palestinian kids but not Jewish kids? Nothing wrong with that? No wonder the Israeli justice system has had a lot criticism levied at it over it's treatment of Palestinian minors.

Although it is relatively rare, American kids as young as 8 have been charged as adults and many are imprisoned. It is a decision not taken lightly but the punishment for committing serious crimes should fit the crime.

This thread is just another example of the "special" treatment for which Israel is so often singled out here at USMB ... even by those who think themselves thoughtful and rational.

EXCEEDINGLY rare and very controversial. As I recall - we have no law making 8 (or 12) the age at which a certain group can be charged with adult crimes.

Why are Palestinians charged as adults at the age of 12 and Jews not until 18? Or, was this an untrue claim in the OP?

This post is an example of why it's so hard to discuss injustices in Israel's legal system - you get accused of "singling out Israel".

Because Israel is not operating under corrupt US laws, that is why. The Geneva conventions come into play and they are applied to every nation impartially. Or have the last 20 to 30 posts on the same matter not yet sank in, or is it that you are really a racist.

Because of national laws

Because there is no injustice in play, just your inability to accept that Israel is working within the laws laid down by the Geneva conventions in dealing with terrorist murderers in Palestine. Using the same tired old argument to get round the facts is "SINGLING OUT ISRAEL" and being racist.

 

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It is wrong to stab kids too.

If he can be old enough to take a kitchen knife and tear out someone's guts, he's old enough to face the consequence.

All those sympathising with him instead of the child he stabbed can go to hell.

Saying there is something wrong with the justice system here is not saying it isn't wrong to stab kids.

Holding him without charge until he turns 14 sounds pretty wrong imo.
Trying a 12 year old as an adult is way wrong - they aren't adults, not in brain development, not in maturity- does that mean 12 year olds are then put in prisons with adults?
Applying it only to Palestinian kids but not Jewish kids? Nothing wrong with that? No wonder the Israeli justice system has had a lot criticism levied at it over it's treatment of Palestinian minors.

I agree that we should press charges against him now, then he'll be in lock up just the same, but without people protesting. Let it be regular prison, juveyhall, either way he's not going to just walk out, you do realize that, right?

And the Israeli justice system is rotten, I agree. But Ahmed Manasra is another terrorist like the rest, so, I don't really care about him. Better strees out about other people who suffer the wrath of our court for no apparant reason (AKA Roman Zadorov)

I care about children that can end up abused in the system - yes he should serve a sentance, but to wait to charge him so he can be charged as an adult seems wrong unless it's a particularly brutal and henious crime.

We had a recent scandal (Kalief Browder) a 16 yr old, who was incarcerated without trial for 3 years, two of which were in solitary confinement and committed suicide. The subsequent investigation revealed huge problems and injustices in the juvenile justice system in general and the use of solitary confinement in particular.

I care about children who get stabbed by riding a bike, more than I care about this boy. He's not "abused" by any system. He stabbed someone, he's a risk to his surrounding and should be locked up. There is remand and arrest till trial, it is not something that Israel invented.

And for the record, this boy was treated in an Israeli hospital. There was a video of him being fed by one of OUR doctors (!) while he cried out for the foreign media about him not being attended good enough by the Israelis.

So I'm sorry for being blunt, but, screw him. Seriously.

His trial is being deliberately delayed for months so he can be sentanced as an adult. I don't think that is right.

I don't know if the trial is delayed deliberately, as you say.

As an Israeli, I know first hand that trials in Israel, even the clearest and most obvious ones- take years in the making. It's just another problem we have here

 

[Phoenall]

Manasra was 13 at the time of his arrest, and the Israeli court decided to allow the prosecution’s request to delay his court hearing until January, when he turned 14 and was allowed, under Israeli law, to be tried as an adult. The Israeli Knesset used Manasra’s case as an example when they voted several months ago to change the age at which a Palestinian child can be tried as an adult from 14 to 12.

Israeli children, in contrast, are considered ‘minors’ until the age of 18.

If all this is true, it is way wrong.

It is wrong to stab kids too.

If he can be old enough to take a kitchen knife and tear out someone's guts, he's old enough to face the consequence.

All those sympathising with him instead of the child he stabbed can go to hell.

Saying there is something wrong with the justice system here is not saying it isn't wrong to stab kids.

Holding him without charge until he turns 14 sounds pretty wrong imo.
Trying a 12 year old as an adult is way wrong - they aren't adults, not in brain development, not in maturity- does that mean 12 year olds are then put in prisons with adults?
Applying it only to Palestinian kids but not Jewish kids? Nothing wrong with that? No wonder the Israeli justice system has had a lot criticism levied at it over it's treatment of Palestinian minors.

I agree that we should press charges against him now, then he'll be in lock up just the same, but without people protesting. Let it be regular prison, juveyhall, either way he's not going to just walk out, you do realize that, right?

And the Israeli justice system is rotten, I agree. But Ahmed Manasra is another terrorist like the rest, so, I don't really care about him. Better strees out about other people who suffer the wrath of our court for no apparant reason (AKA Roman Zadorov)

I care about children that can end up abused in the system - yes he should serve a sentance, but to wait to charge him so he can be charged as an adult seems wrong unless it's a particularly brutal and henious crime.

We had a recent scandal (Kalief Browder) a 16 yr old, who was incarcerated without trial for 3 years, two of which were in solitary confinement and committed suicide. The subsequent investigation revealed huge problems and injustices in the juvenile justice system in general and the use of solitary confinement in particular.

So is the US now an apartheid racist state for doing this ?