Israel's Legal Right To Exist

[Hollie]

These people are now refugees in Gaza. Do you have a good explanation why they cannot go back to their homes?

Najd, Gaza - Wikipedia

The primary one would be the risk of violence, of course.

From a bunch of farmers who have not attacked anyone for centuries?

Really? So the islamic terrorists from Hamas and Fatah are just a bunch of farmers?

 

[montelatici]

The piece just confirms that native Palestinian Christian and Muslim farmers were working the land and thus the native people of Palestine. Nothing about invaders. The invaders were the Jews that bought the land from non-natives and expelled the native people.

The actual ownership of the land prior to the Jewish invasion is depicted in the UN map above.

 

[P F Tinmore]

View attachment 96808 The piece just confirms that native Palestinian Christian and Muslim farmers were working the land and thus the native people of Palestine. Nothing about invaders. The invaders were the Jews that bought the land from non-natives and expelled the native people.

The actual ownership of the land prior to the Jewish invasion is depicted in the UN map above.

And that community predates the Ottoman Empire. They had been there for a long time.

 

[Hollie]

View attachment 96808 The piece just confirms that native Palestinian Christian and Muslim farmers were working the land and thus the native people of Palestine. Nothing about invaders. The invaders were the Jews that bought the land from non-natives and expelled the native people.

The actual ownership of the land prior to the Jewish invasion is depicted in the UN map above.

Your phony map is just one of several you cut and paste. The pretty colors appeal to those with your limitations but you shouldn't expect others to buy into your profound ignorance.

We have the official Ottoman records to refute your silly cutting and pasting of irrelevant pictorials.


Turkey transfers Ottoman land records to Palestinian Authority

 

[montelatici]

Nothing phony about the map. It's in the official UN archives. You can see it right on the UN's site. Looks like more than 90% of the land was owned by the native Christians and Muslims in 1945.

https://unispal.un.org/DPA/DPR/unispal.nsf/0/A73996728BA8B94785256D560060CD1A

And, thanks for linking the Haaretz article that confirms that the land was farmed by Palestinians before the Jews began invading.

You are a hoot Hollie.

 

[Phoenall]

My belief is that Zionists think they have a right to make a state in Palestine because their god promised it to them millennia ago and because Jews had their kingdom there in Roman times.

I would challenge you to think about this in a different way. Yes, there are some extremely religious Jews who believe in some sort of G-d-given right to the land, but even that is arguable for reasons of complex Jewish theology that I won't bother to get into here. But for most Jewish people, and certainly for most Israelis, the primary reason for wanting a State is not based on religion or even on ancient history (although that certainly plays a role). It is based on the desire for a national self-determination, the same as the Kurdish people, the Catalan people, the Scots, the Tibetans, the Cypriots, the Serbs, the Croats, the French, the Spanish, the Americans. It is no different, except in one way. And that is the need for safety and security. The Jewish people, quite unique in the world, need a place to be safe. It is also based on the right of return to an ancestral homeland.

You say that most Jewish people want a state of their own is because they desire (i) "national self-determination". They also want (ii) "safety and security". You also claim that the Jewish people are (iii) "unique", And you assert a (iv) "right of return" to their ancestral homeland.
i) Jews are citizens of very many countries and so their nations have a claim on their aspiration for the self determination of these nations. Do you really want Polish Jews do not identify with the culture of Poland? Are Scottish Jews not really Scottish? Do you realize what message this gives to countries where Jews a citizens? Why would any Germans accept Jewish politicians, judges, teachers, and so forth, if their loyalty is to another nation? So be it.
ii) Are Jews in Israel safer and more secure than Jews in the USA? Seriously? If having a Jewish state in the middle of Arab Muslim countries while occupying Palestine and dealing with Arab native people with brutality is their idea of "safety and security then I would disagree.
iii) The Jews are no more unique than Catholics in Northern Ireland, Armenians in Turkey, or Roma in Spain. They have no claim on uniqueness than Basques in Spain and France or the Apache nation in the USA.
iv) The Holy Land is the mother of three religions, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. No group has a claim on having an exclusive right to live there.

I would disagree with you that Jews and Palestinians want the same thing.

How so? Palestinians want national self-determination in what they consider their ancient homeland. The Jewish people want national self-determination in what they consider their ancient homeland. The Palestinian people want to return to a land from which they were expelled. The Jewish people want to return to a land from which they were expelled. The Palestinian people want an end to oppression, equality and dignity. The Jewish people want the same.

So how are they different?

Palestinians do not claim a right to the land based on ancient history. Their homeland is where they were born and their claim is therefore stronger than Russian immigrants.

I have never demonized Jews ...

"Demonize" is a catch-all word to describe dialogue which is critical of the Jewish people or which denies to the Jewish people things which would normally not be denied to others. Saying "Jews stole land" is not a criticism of Israel and her government -- it is demonizing the Jewish people.

Please, learn the distinction between Zionists and Jews.

the English promised a home for Jews in some place other than England and since they had the mandate over Palestine they offered it to the Jews, primarily Europeans from central and Eastern Europe who had survived the Final Solution.

Well, in fact, the land was promised to the Jewish people in 1917 -- before there was a Final Solution. So, your claim is patently false. And the British did not offer the land to the Jews. The British offered to assist in facilitating the re-constitution of the Jewish National Home. The difference is the agency of the Jewish people.

You are correct; the English wanted the Jews out of Europe before the Final Solution. But antisemitism and the Jewish Question was current in the beginning of the last century and even before that. The Zionists had their eye on Palestine which was in the hands of the English so it was a win-win when the English got the Jews out of Europe and let them have a "home" (not state) in Palestine. After the Final Solution, the destruction of the European Jews made a "home" for survivors seem sensible and it is no coincidence that Israel became a state in 1948 not 1928. The impact of the Final Solution should be noted.

The problem was that Muslim Arabs with smaller numbers of other groups such as Christians, Jews, and Druze, were already there and had been so for centuries.

No, the problem is not the presence of Muslim Arabs. There is plenty of room for both. Just look how many millions of people live in Israel and "Palestine" and Gaza today! Compared to the barely half million in 1900. Look how many Arab Muslims live in Israel. The problem is not the presence of either ethnic group.

It becomes a problem when the Zionists wanted a Jewish state rather than sharing the land with the native inhabitants. The influx of European Jews after the Final Solution inspired with the Zionist vision of a Jewish state was a huge problem. The history of Palestine could have been different.

So, Zionists wanted a Jewish state (not a mere home among Arabs)

The Jewish people wanted a Jewish State, not a mere home among Arabs. The Arab people wanted a Palestinian State, not a mere home among Jews. Seems fair, don't you think?

No; the Palestinian Arabs did not want to be dispossessed and displaced.

and Arabs did not want to be displaced and dispossessed

It was never the intent to displace or dispossess the Arab people. (As is evident by the high percentage of Arab people living in Israel). Any displacement or dispossession which occurred is a DIRECT result of Arab aggression against Jews.

You are ill-informed on the creation of the Jewish state.

So, the point of going into all this with you is to point out that demonizing of the Jewish people moves us backwards rather than forward. It is not valid criticism of Israel to make broad sweeping statements about stolen land and apartheid and occupation and oppression and the lack of rights of the Jewish people.

What discussion should be about are concrete, practical plans to move forward towards a solution to the problem.

Forgive me but the occupation of Palestinian land by the Israelis is the root cause of the current problem today.

All you have is islamonazi propaganda and blood libels. Over the last 100 years or so the Jews have been forced out of every nation they have called home by scum like yourself. The latest is France that is allowing nazism to raise its ugly head again. In the 1930's your people mantra to the Jews was " GO BACK TO PALESTINE WHERE YOU CAME FROM" now it is " GO BACK TO EUROPE WHERE YOU CAME FROM " Will you ever make your minds up and settle on one course.


Most palestinians were born outside of palestine so how does this work, how can they have a greater claim when they were not even born on the land. And you cant claim they were evicted as you disallow that being used for the Jews.

How were the Syrians, Egyptians, Iraqi's and Saudis dispossessed when their homes were still there ?


And you are only going on the LIES posted on the hate sites that say Israel was created to steal the arab lands. Even though there is no evidence of them having owned the lands since 1099

The arab muslims flooded into the land illegally from 1917, so much so that Winston Churchill stated on oath that the arab muslims migrated illegally in such numbers that even world Jewry could not match them


Then you deny the history of the land and the inhabitants as the problem goes all the way back to the 7C when mo'mad started the genocide of the Jews when he wiped out the 3 tribes that owned Medina and gave the command to the muslims to " KILL THE JEWS " and that is what they have done for the last 1400 years. They even have it as part of their charter and in the letter of independence to the UN

 

[Hollie]

View attachment 96808 The piece just confirms that native Palestinian Christian and Muslim farmers were working the land and thus the native people of Palestine. Nothing about invaders. The invaders were the Jews that bought the land from non-natives and expelled the native people.

The actual ownership of the land prior to the Jewish invasion is depicted in the UN map above.

And that community predates the Ottoman Empire. They had been there for a long time.

Nothing phony about the map. It's in the official UN archives. You can see it right on the UN's site. Looks like more than 90% of the land was owned by the native Christians and Muslims in 1945.

https://unispal.un.org/DPA/DPR/unispal.nsf/0/A73996728BA8B94785256D560060CD1A

And, thanks for linking the Haaretz article that confirms that the land was farmed by Palestinians before the Jews began invading.

You are a hoot Hollie.

I linked the article so you could educate yourself regarding your profound ignorance about your invention of the "country of Pal'istan". As we know, the people you falsely as Pal'istanians were largely Egyptian, Syrian and Lebanese squatters.

It's a hoot watching you stumble along from post to post with the same silly cutting and pasting.

 

[Eloy]

Please, learn the distinction between Zionists and Jews.

Please, do tell. The "Zionists" are those who believe the Jewish people, just like ALL peoples, have the right to a national self-determination. You know, ALL peoples, like the Catalans, the Basques, the Tibetans, the First Nations peoples and the Palestinians. The Jews, I guess, are those who believe that the Jewish people do not have rights like other people do. Does that sound about right?

Zionists are people who demand a country exclusively for Jews. Not all Jews believe this and not only Jews are Zionists either. Even some antisemites are Zionists so long as their country and preferably their continent is free of Jews.

 

[Phoenall]

My argument is, and has always been, that the Palestinian Arab Christians and Muslims due to their extreme length of residence in the land (you can't unbreak that egg) ALSO have rights to the land.​

Cool, then they should return to their homes.

There are practical considerations, of course, but I have always agreed that the Arab Christian and Muslim Palestinians have the right to return to their homeland.

These people are now refugees in Gaza. Do you have a good explanation why they cannot go back to their homes?

Najd, Gaza - Wikipedia

Very simple they are persona non gratis due to the fact they took up arms against Israel when the arab league invaded the mandate of palestine. This is covered by IHL and the Geneva conventions, and any people that take up arms lose all rights to claim the land as theirs.

Once again you deny the Jews their rights under International laws because you are so biased and have so much hate.

 

[Phoenall]

My belief is that Zionists think they have a right to make a state in Palestine because their god promised it to them millennia ago and because Jews had their kingdom there in Roman times.

I would challenge you to think about this in a different way. Yes, there are some extremely religious Jews who believe in some sort of G-d-given right to the land, but even that is arguable for reasons of complex Jewish theology that I won't bother to get into here. But for most Jewish people, and certainly for most Israelis, the primary reason for wanting a State is not based on religion or even on ancient history (although that certainly plays a role). It is based on the desire for a national self-determination, the same as the Kurdish people, the Catalan people, the Scots, the Tibetans, the Cypriots, the Serbs, the Croats, the French, the Spanish, the Americans. It is no different, except in one way. And that is the need for safety and security. The Jewish people, quite unique in the world, need a place to be safe. It is also based on the right of return to an ancestral homeland.

You say that most Jewish people want a state of their own is because they desire (i) "national self-determination". They also want (ii) "safety and security". You also claim that the Jewish people are (iii) "unique", And you assert a (iv) "right of return" to their ancestral homeland.
i) Jews are citizens of very many countries and so their nations have a claim on their aspiration for the self determination of these nations. Do you really want Polish Jews do not identify with the culture of Poland? Are Scottish Jews not really Scottish? Do you realize what message this gives to countries where Jews a citizens? Why would any Germans accept Jewish politicians, judges, teachers, and so forth, if their loyalty is to another nation? So be it.
ii) Are Jews in Israel safer and more secure than Jews in the USA? Seriously? If having a Jewish state in the middle of Arab Muslim countries while occupying Palestine and dealing with Arab native people with brutality is their idea of "safety and security then I would disagree.
iii) The Jews are no more unique than Catholics in Northern Ireland, Armenians in Turkey, or Roma in Spain. They have no claim on uniqueness than Basques in Spain and France or the Apache nation in the USA.
iv) The Holy Land is the mother of three religions, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. No group has a claim on having an exclusive right to live there.

I would disagree with you that Jews and Palestinians want the same thing.

How so? Palestinians want national self-determination in what they consider their ancient homeland. The Jewish people want national self-determination in what they consider their ancient homeland. The Palestinian people want to return to a land from which they were expelled. The Jewish people want to return to a land from which they were expelled. The Palestinian people want an end to oppression, equality and dignity. The Jewish people want the same.

So how are they different?

Palestinians do not claim a right to the land based on ancient history. Their homeland is where they were born and their claim is therefore stronger than Russian immigrants.

I have never demonized Jews ...

"Demonize" is a catch-all word to describe dialogue which is critical of the Jewish people or which denies to the Jewish people things which would normally not be denied to others. Saying "Jews stole land" is not a criticism of Israel and her government -- it is demonizing the Jewish people.

Please, learn the distinction between Zionists and Jews.

the English promised a home for Jews in some place other than England and since they had the mandate over Palestine they offered it to the Jews, primarily Europeans from central and Eastern Europe who had survived the Final Solution.

Well, in fact, the land was promised to the Jewish people in 1917 -- before there was a Final Solution. So, your claim is patently false. And the British did not offer the land to the Jews. The British offered to assist in facilitating the re-constitution of the Jewish National Home. The difference is the agency of the Jewish people.

You are correct; the English wanted the Jews out of Europe before the Final Solution. But antisemitism and the Jewish Question was current in the beginning of the last century and even before that. The Zionists had their eye on Palestine which was in the hands of the English so it was a win-win when the English got the Jews out of Europe and let them have a "home" (not state) in Palestine. After the Final Solution, the destruction of the European Jews made a "home" for survivors seem sensible and it is no coincidence that Israel became a state in 1948 not 1928. The impact of the Final Solution should be noted.

The problem was that Muslim Arabs with smaller numbers of other groups such as Christians, Jews, and Druze, were already there and had been so for centuries.

No, the problem is not the presence of Muslim Arabs. There is plenty of room for both. Just look how many millions of people live in Israel and "Palestine" and Gaza today! Compared to the barely half million in 1900. Look how many Arab Muslims live in Israel. The problem is not the presence of either ethnic group.

It becomes a problem when the Zionists wanted a Jewish state rather than sharing the land with the native inhabitants. The influx of European Jews after the Final Solution inspired with the Zionist vision of a Jewish state was a huge problem. The history of Palestine could have been different.

So, Zionists wanted a Jewish state (not a mere home among Arabs)

The Jewish people wanted a Jewish State, not a mere home among Arabs. The Arab people wanted a Palestinian State, not a mere home among Jews. Seems fair, don't you think?

No; the Palestinian Arabs did not want to be dispossessed and displaced.

and Arabs did not want to be displaced and dispossessed

It was never the intent to displace or dispossess the Arab people. (As is evident by the high percentage of Arab people living in Israel). Any displacement or dispossession which occurred is a DIRECT result of Arab aggression against Jews.

You are ill-informed on the creation of the Jewish state.

So, the point of going into all this with you is to point out that demonizing of the Jewish people moves us backwards rather than forward. It is not valid criticism of Israel to make broad sweeping statements about stolen land and apartheid and occupation and oppression and the lack of rights of the Jewish people.

What discussion should be about are concrete, practical plans to move forward towards a solution to the problem.

Forgive me but the occupation of Palestinian land by the Israelis is the root cause of the current problem today.

Outstanding.... Informative,Accurate Post, Eloy

That accurate that it became headline news in the Billy Liar tabloid paper, right alongside Elvis found on Mars flipping macey d's and the London bus giving tours onto the dark side of the moon.

In other words it was on a par with your lies AND blood libels lifted straight from the hate sites

 

[MJB12741]

View attachment 96808 The piece just confirms that native Palestinian Christian and Muslim farmers were working the land and thus the native people of Palestine. Nothing about invaders. The invaders were the Jews that bought the land from non-natives and expelled the native people.

The actual ownership of the land prior to the Jewish invasion is depicted in the UN map above.

And that community predates the Ottoman Empire. They had been there for a long time.

Nothing phony about the map. It's in the official UN archives. You can see it right on the UN's site. Looks like more than 90% of the land was owned by the native Christians and Muslims in 1945.

Palestine: Land ownership by sub-district (1945) - Map (1 August 1950)

And, thanks for linking the Haaretz article that confirms that the land was farmed by Palestinians before the Jews began invading.

You are a hoot Hollie.

I linked the article so you could educate yourself regarding your profound ignorance about your invention of the "country of Pal'istan". As we know, the people you falsely as Pal'istanians were largely Egyptian, Syrian and Lebanese squatters.

It's a hoot watching you stumble along from post to post with the same silly cutting and pasting.

Why Israel still allows the squatters to remain after thanking Israel with hate & rocket missiles, I do not understand.

 

[Phoenall]

Nothing phony about the map. It's in the official UN archives. You can see it right on the UN's site. Looks like more than 90% of the land was owned by the native Christians and Muslims in 1945.

Palestine: Land ownership by sub-district (1945) - Map (1 August 1950)

And, thanks for linking the Haaretz article that confirms that the land was farmed by Palestinians before the Jews began invading.

You are a hoot Hollie.

Here we go again with claims that everything that is in the UN archives is official and so must be true, that is until it shows that the arab muslims have no claims to the land and were mostly illegal immigrants

 

[Phoenall]

Please, learn the distinction between Zionists and Jews.

Please, do tell. The "Zionists" are those who believe the Jewish people, just like ALL peoples, have the right to a national self-determination. You know, ALL peoples, like the Catalans, the Basques, the Tibetans, the First Nations peoples and the Palestinians. The Jews, I guess, are those who believe that the Jewish people do not have rights like other people do. Does that sound about right?

Zionists are people who demand a country exclusively for Jews. Not all Jews believe this and not only Jews are Zionists either. Even some antisemites are Zionists so long as their country and preferably their continent is free of Jews.

BULLSHIT


I know of no Zionist that demands a country exclusively for the Jews, that is actually the islamonazi stance when they demand a juden frie palestine. Only complete morons mix up the two, and these are mostly preachers of hate

 

[Phoenall]

Please, learn the distinction between Zionists and Jews.

Please, do tell. The "Zionists" are those who believe the Jewish people, just like ALL peoples, have the right to a national self-determination. You know, ALL peoples, like the Catalans, the Basques, the Tibetans, the First Nations peoples and the Palestinians. The Jews, I guess, are those who believe that the Jewish people do not have rights like other people do. Does that sound about right?

Zionists are people who demand a country exclusively for Jews. Not all Jews believe this and not only Jews are Zionists either. Even some antisemites are Zionists so long as their country and preferably their continent is free of Jews.

Have you read the definition I post to the moron who claims he is from Oz, no mention of the hate site mantra you post here

 

[Phoenall]

My belief is that Zionists think they have a right to make a state in Palestine because their god promised it to them millennia ago and because Jews had their kingdom there in Roman times.

I would challenge you to think about this in a different way. Yes, there are some extremely religious Jews who believe in some sort of G-d-given right to the land, but even that is arguable for reasons of complex Jewish theology that I won't bother to get into here. But for most Jewish people, and certainly for most Israelis, the primary reason for wanting a State is not based on religion or even on ancient history (although that certainly plays a role). It is based on the desire for a national self-determination, the same as the Kurdish people, the Catalan people, the Scots, the Tibetans, the Cypriots, the Serbs, the Croats, the French, the Spanish, the Americans. It is no different, except in one way. And that is the need for safety and security. The Jewish people, quite unique in the world, need a place to be safe. It is also based on the right of return to an ancestral homeland.

You say that most Jewish people want a state of their own is because they desire (i) "national self-determination". They also want (ii) "safety and security". You also claim that the Jewish people are (iii) "unique", And you assert a (iv) "right of return" to their ancestral homeland.
i) Jews are citizens of very many countries and so their nations have a claim on their aspiration for the self determination of these nations. Do you really want Polish Jews do not identify with the culture of Poland? Are Scottish Jews not really Scottish? Do you realize what message this gives to countries where Jews a citizens? Why would any Germans accept Jewish politicians, judges, teachers, and so forth, if their loyalty is to another nation? So be it.
ii) Are Jews in Israel safer and more secure than Jews in the USA? Seriously? If having a Jewish state in the middle of Arab Muslim countries while occupying Palestine and dealing with Arab native people with brutality is their idea of "safety and security then I would disagree.
iii) The Jews are no more unique than Catholics in Northern Ireland, Armenians in Turkey, or Roma in Spain. They have no claim on uniqueness than Basques in Spain and France or the Apache nation in the USA.
iv) The Holy Land is the mother of three religions, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. No group has a claim on having an exclusive right to live there.

I would disagree with you that Jews and Palestinians want the same thing.

How so? Palestinians want national self-determination in what they consider their ancient homeland. The Jewish people want national self-determination in what they consider their ancient homeland. The Palestinian people want to return to a land from which they were expelled. The Jewish people want to return to a land from which they were expelled. The Palestinian people want an end to oppression, equality and dignity. The Jewish people want the same.

So how are they different?

Palestinians do not claim a right to the land based on ancient history. Their homeland is where they were born and their claim is therefore stronger than Russian immigrants.

I have never demonized Jews ...

"Demonize" is a catch-all word to describe dialogue which is critical of the Jewish people or which denies to the Jewish people things which would normally not be denied to others. Saying "Jews stole land" is not a criticism of Israel and her government -- it is demonizing the Jewish people.

Please, learn the distinction between Zionists and Jews.

the English promised a home for Jews in some place other than England and since they had the mandate over Palestine they offered it to the Jews, primarily Europeans from central and Eastern Europe who had survived the Final Solution.

Well, in fact, the land was promised to the Jewish people in 1917 -- before there was a Final Solution. So, your claim is patently false. And the British did not offer the land to the Jews. The British offered to assist in facilitating the re-constitution of the Jewish National Home. The difference is the agency of the Jewish people.

You are correct; the English wanted the Jews out of Europe before the Final Solution. But antisemitism and the Jewish Question was current in the beginning of the last century and even before that. The Zionists had their eye on Palestine which was in the hands of the English so it was a win-win when the English got the Jews out of Europe and let them have a "home" (not state) in Palestine. After the Final Solution, the destruction of the European Jews made a "home" for survivors seem sensible and it is no coincidence that Israel became a state in 1948 not 1928. The impact of the Final Solution should be noted.

The problem was that Muslim Arabs with smaller numbers of other groups such as Christians, Jews, and Druze, were already there and had been so for centuries.

No, the problem is not the presence of Muslim Arabs. There is plenty of room for both. Just look how many millions of people live in Israel and "Palestine" and Gaza today! Compared to the barely half million in 1900. Look how many Arab Muslims live in Israel. The problem is not the presence of either ethnic group.

It becomes a problem when the Zionists wanted a Jewish state rather than sharing the land with the native inhabitants. The influx of European Jews after the Final Solution inspired with the Zionist vision of a Jewish state was a huge problem. The history of Palestine could have been different.

So, Zionists wanted a Jewish state (not a mere home among Arabs)

The Jewish people wanted a Jewish State, not a mere home among Arabs. The Arab people wanted a Palestinian State, not a mere home among Jews. Seems fair, don't you think?

No; the Palestinian Arabs did not want to be dispossessed and displaced.

and Arabs did not want to be displaced and dispossessed

It was never the intent to displace or dispossess the Arab people. (As is evident by the high percentage of Arab people living in Israel). Any displacement or dispossession which occurred is a DIRECT result of Arab aggression against Jews.

You are ill-informed on the creation of the Jewish state.

So, the point of going into all this with you is to point out that demonizing of the Jewish people moves us backwards rather than forward. It is not valid criticism of Israel to make broad sweeping statements about stolen land and apartheid and occupation and oppression and the lack of rights of the Jewish people.

What discussion should be about are concrete, practical plans to move forward towards a solution to the problem.

Forgive me but the occupation of Palestinian land by the Israelis is the root cause of the current problem today.

Outstanding.... Informative,Accurate Post, Eloy

​

He's good Hoss.....Eloy makes you Zionnuts look Fcuking Stupid.........steve

No he makes you and the rest of team palestine look completely idiotic and like morons

 

[Phoenall]

My argument is, and has always been, that the Palestinian Arab Christians and Muslims due to their extreme length of residence in the land (you can't unbreak that egg) ALSO have rights to the land.​

Cool, then they should return to their homes.

There are practical considerations, of course, but I have always agreed that the Arab Christian and Muslim Palestinians have the right to return to their homeland.

These people are now refugees in Gaza. Do you have a good explanation why they cannot go back to their homes?

Najd, Gaza - Wikipedia

Good question. It is because no surrounding Arab country will allow the Palestinians a right of return.

How can they return to a place their ancestors have never been. Palestinians are from Palestine, you haven't quite grasped that simple concept?

And it seems that you believe that all arab muslims are from palestine. The truth is the majority of so called palestinians have never even seen palestine. Have you yet grasped that not all palestinians tell the truth, and the majority are LIARS and illegal immigrants

 

[Phoenall]

Well, you can't have it both ways. A religion is a religion and a nationality is a nationality.

And in some cases they are the same thing

 

[Phoenall]

These people are now refugees in Gaza. Do you have a good explanation why they cannot go back to their homes?

Najd, Gaza - Wikipedia

The primary one would be the risk of violence, of course.

From a bunch of farmers who have not attacked anyone for centuries?

Apart from the Jews, Christians, Egyptians, Syrians and themselves many times since they were invented in 627 C.E.

Unless you have a valid link that says they are a bunch of farmers ?

 

[Phoenall]

But, these other people are not asking a world power to expel native people in a place on another continent to solve their "Self-Determination" problem.

And, there is no Jewish "people". They are a genetically mixed group of many nationalities, ethnic groups and races that happen to have a common religion.

According to the islamocatholic morons who believe the Jews killed God

 

[Phoenall]

View attachment 96808 The piece just confirms that native Palestinian Christian and Muslim farmers were working the land and thus the native people of Palestine. Nothing about invaders. The invaders were the Jews that bought the land from non-natives and expelled the native people.

The actual ownership of the land prior to the Jewish invasion is depicted in the UN map above.

Did you read the legend on your map, According to palestinian sources