Israel's Legal Right To Exist

[Phoenall]

First of all there are people of the Judaic faith, not "Jewish people", a person of any ethnicity can practice Judaism. There are Europeans that practice Judaism, Asians, there even probably Inuits that practice Judaism.

People of the Judaic faith can have all the self-determination they want, but colonizing/invading Palestine and dispossessing the native Christians and Muslims whose ancestors had been living there for thousands of years, whatever religion their ancestors practiced, was a criminal act.

It's remarkable that you spam multiple threads with your silly "invasion" slogan. That slogan seems to be a staple for those who simply have no grasp of the history surrounding the collapse of the Ottoman Empire.

The creature is just repeating the buzz terms it encounters at hate sites.

Just like the idiocy about ethnicity vs religion. You and I both know that extremely few people convert to Judaism because it is so damn hard to do and we both know that the majority of Jewish people are quite secular, but the thing will use anything it can grasp when it comes to hatred.

Just facts. Most European Jews are the result of female conversions, as has been determined through DNA testing of modern European Jews.

"....the great majority of Ashkenazi maternal lineages were not brought from the Levant, as commonly supposed, nor recruited in the Caucasus, as sometimes suggested, but assimilated within Europe. These results point to a significant role for the conversion of women in the formation of Ashkenazi communities, and provide the foundation for a detailed reconstruction of Ashkenazi genealogical history...."

A substantial prehistoric European ancestry amongst Ashkenazi maternal lineages : Nature Communications

The only hatred is that which is displayed by you and your ilk vis-a-vis the native Christians and Muslims of Palestine that the European Zionists dispossessed. It is very similar to the hate that the European invader/colonizer had (and some still have) for the Native Americans that they dispossessed in the Americas.

An observer expressing criticism of the European Zionist dispossession of the native Christian and Muslims of Palestine or the dispossession of Native Americans by various groups of Europeans has nothing to do with hate, it is a statement of fact.

Hate is expressed by those that celebrate the dispossession of a people.

Did you ignore this part of your link.................


There is consensus that all Jewish Diaspora groups, including the Ashkenazim, trace their ancestry, at least in part, to the Levant, ~2,000–3,000 years ago

The Ashkenazim are thought to have emerged from dispersals north into the Rhineland of Mediterranean Jews in the early Middle Ages,

We are then faced with several competing models for Ashkenazi origins: a Levantine ancestry; a Mediterranean/west European ancestry; a North Caucasian ancestry; or, of course, a blend of these. This seems an ideal problem to tackle with genetic analysis, but after decades of intensive study a definitive answer remains elusive

Several suggest a primarily Levantine ancestry with south/west European admixture

The maternal line has also been studied, and indeed Ashkenazi mtDNAs are highly distinctive


So it seems that you have been altering official details again because they say the Jews are from the M.E. after all.



What a LYING POS LOSER you are

 

[Phoenall]

When people from one place go to another place (in this case on another continent) to colonize the place and remove the native people living in said place, it's an invasion.

Well, obviously you prefer screeching out your sweaty, chest-heaving rants rather than learn the facts and history.

The facts are quite evident, your ranting at the facts does not change them. The nice thing is that the Zionists themselves stated what their intentions were early on, in 1899.

The straightforward and comfortable manner with which the colonization is pursued is indicative how, before having to be concerned with the image of Zionism and public relations, Zionist leaders depicted their movement as a colonial mission during a time in which European nations were colonial powers.




Zionists plan to colonize Palestine in 1899 NY Times - World Bulletin

By BUYING the land and setting up colonies, not by invading with armed force like the Catholics and muslims did

 

[Phoenall]

First of all there are people of the Judaic faith, not "Jewish people", a person of any ethnicity can practice Judaism. There are Europeans that practice Judaism, Asians, there even probably Inuits that practice Judaism.

People of the Judaic faith can have all the self-determination they want, but colonizing/invading Palestine and dispossessing the native Christians and Muslims whose ancestors had been living there for thousands of years, whatever religion their ancestors practiced, was a criminal act.

"Judaic" , "Jewish" and "Jew" are one and the same word in Hebrew.
Your argument is invalid due to lack of basic understanding of the words in their original form and meaning, what you wrote has partial meaning only in English.

My "argument" is not only valid, it is basic fact.

This is a forum for communication in the English language. If you don't understand English, it's your problem. The word I used was Judaism, it is the word that in English we use to describe the religion.

Then why does your new link not say what you claim ? It actually says the exact oppositte

 

[rylah]

So, you on the other hand, fail to tell the rest of the story:

"All told, more than 80 percent of the maternal lineages of Ashkenazi Jews could be traced to Europe, with only a few lineages originating in the Near East."

This is a real scientific study, performed by trained geneticists from neutral institutions, not the Zionist propaganda that you refer to.

Arab Jews, Arab Christians and Arab Muslims are the pretty much the same people. Of course there would similarity between them. And yes, before the Zionist invasion, there were Arab Jews. They spoke Arabic and were culturally Arab. This documentary films Arab Jews in the late 1800s.



European Jews (the Zionists from northern and eastern Europe), on the other hand, have less of a genetic tie to the Middle East than southern Europeans.

But, even if the genetic propaganda were true, the European Zionists still had no claim to, nor the right to colonize and dispossess the native Christians and Muslims of Palestine.

Again you manipulate and cut the 1st part of some "science" blog with another part (earlier) from a research, but only the parts and blogs that suit your pov.

We have already dealt with this "study"

So, you on the other hand, fail to tell the rest of the story:

"All told, more than 80 percent of the maternal lineages of Ashkenazi Jews could be traced to Europe, with only a few lineages originating in the Near East."

This is a real scientific study, performed by trained geneticists from neutral institutions, not the Zionist propaganda that you refer to.

Arab Jews, Arab Christians and Arab Muslims are the pretty much the same people. Of course there would similarity between them. And yes, before the Zionist invasion, there were Arab Jews. They spoke Arabic and were culturally Arab. This documentary films Arab Jews in the late 1800s.



European Jews (the Zionists from northern and eastern Europe), on the other hand, have less of a genetic tie to the Middle East than southern Europeans.

But, even if the genetic propaganda were true, the European Zionists still had no claim to, nor the right to colonize and dispossess the native Christians and Muslims of Palestine.

No the later quote doesn't come from a study but a blog, and we have already dealt with it 2 days ago.
It only proves that that you cut a sentence from here and there just to manipulate the info to suit your POV.

"Here we use high-density bead arrays to genotype individuals from 14 Jewish Diaspora communities and compare these patterns of genome-wide diversity with those from 69 Old World non-Jewish populations, of which 25 have not previously been reported. These samples were carefully chosen to provide comprehensive comparisons between Jewish and non-Jewish populations in the Diaspora, as well as with non-Jewish populations from the Middle East and north Africa. Principal component and structure-like analyses identify previously unrecognized genetic substructure within the Middle East. Most Jewish samples form a remarkably tight subcluster that overlies Druze and Cypriot samples but not samples from other Levantine populations or paired Diaspora host populations... These results cast light on the variegated genetic architecture of the Middle East, and trace the origins of most Jewish Diaspora communities to the Levant."

The genome-wide structure of the Jewish people. - PubMed - NCBI

 

[Phoenall]

Oh, so providing source material that debunks your assertions is spamming. You are a hoot.

What does the fall of the Ottoman Empire have to do with the Zionist's self-declared colonization and associated dispossession of the native Christians and Muslims of Palestine? LOL

What does the invasion by Catholics and muslims have to do with the Jews rights ?

 

[Shusha]

Wow. Shocking. People intermarry. So the people who were expelled from Israel mixed with the European population amongst whom they were living. And Arab invaders mixed with the native Jewish people of Israel and over-wrote their culture.

What's your point? I'm pretty sure we've been over the fact that, according to you, intermarriage of invading cultures and native cultures results in legitimacy for the invading culture.

 

[rylah]

So, you on the other hand, fail to tell the rest of the story:

"All told, more than 80 percent of the maternal lineages of Ashkenazi Jews could be traced to Europe, with only a few lineages originating in the Near East."

This is a real scientific study, performed by trained geneticists from neutral institutions, not the Zionist propaganda that you refer to.

Arab Jews, Arab Christians and Arab Muslims are the pretty much the same people. Of course there would similarity between them. And yes, before the Zionist invasion, there were Arab Jews. They spoke Arabic and were culturally Arab. This documentary films Arab Jews in the late 1800s.



European Jews (the Zionists from northern and eastern Europe), on the other hand, have less of a genetic tie to the Middle East than southern Europeans.

But, even if the genetic propaganda were true, the European Zionists still had no claim to, nor the right to colonize and dispossess the native Christians and Muslims of Palestine.

There's no such thing as "Arab Jews",and I'm not talking about culture or language, but geographical and tribal origin. There were Jews living in Mecca, Medina and Yemen in diaspora but they were simply Jews- meaning of the tribe of Judea.

 

[Shusha]

Did you ignore this part of your link.................


There is consensus that all Jewish Diaspora groups, including the Ashkenazim, trace their ancestry, at least in part, to the Levant, ~2,000–3,000 years ago

The Ashkenazim are thought to have emerged from dispersals north into the Rhineland of Mediterranean Jews in the early Middle Ages,

We are then faced with several competing models for Ashkenazi origins: a Levantine ancestry; a Mediterranean/west European ancestry; a North Caucasian ancestry; or, of course, a blend of these. This seems an ideal problem to tackle with genetic analysis, but after decades of intensive study a definitive answer remains elusive

Several suggest a primarily Levantine ancestry with south/west European admixture

The maternal line has also been studied, and indeed Ashkenazi mtDNAs are highly distinctive

And, of course, he is only posting the one study which supports his POV, while ignoring the other studies which have pointed to a much higher percentage of Middle Eastern origin for Ashkenazi Jews.

 

[montelatici]

So, you on the other hand, fail to tell the rest of the story:

"All told, more than 80 percent of the maternal lineages of Ashkenazi Jews could be traced to Europe, with only a few lineages originating in the Near East."

This is a real scientific study, performed by trained geneticists from neutral institutions, not the Zionist propaganda that you refer to.

Arab Jews, Arab Christians and Arab Muslims are the pretty much the same people. Of course there would similarity between them. And yes, before the Zionist invasion, there were Arab Jews. They spoke Arabic and were culturally Arab. This documentary films Arab Jews in the late 1800s.



European Jews (the Zionists from northern and eastern Europe), on the other hand, have less of a genetic tie to the Middle East than southern Europeans.

But, even if the genetic propaganda were true, the European Zionists still had no claim to, nor the right to colonize and dispossess the native Christians and Muslims of Palestine.

Again you manipulate and cut the 1st part of some "science" blog with another part (earlier) from a research, but only the parts and blogs that suit your pov.

We have already dealt with this "study"

So, you on the other hand, fail to tell the rest of the story:

"All told, more than 80 percent of the maternal lineages of Ashkenazi Jews could be traced to Europe, with only a few lineages originating in the Near East."

This is a real scientific study, performed by trained geneticists from neutral institutions, not the Zionist propaganda that you refer to.

Arab Jews, Arab Christians and Arab Muslims are the pretty much the same people. Of course there would similarity between them. And yes, before the Zionist invasion, there were Arab Jews. They spoke Arabic and were culturally Arab. This documentary films Arab Jews in the late 1800s.



European Jews (the Zionists from northern and eastern Europe), on the other hand, have less of a genetic tie to the Middle East than southern Europeans.

But, even if the genetic propaganda were true, the European Zionists still had no claim to, nor the right to colonize and dispossess the native Christians and Muslims of Palestine.

No the later quote doesn't come from a study but a blog, and we have already dealt with it 2 days ago.
It only proves that that you cut a sentence from here and there just to manipulate the info to suit your POV.

"Here we use high-density bead arrays to genotype individuals from 14 Jewish Diaspora communities and compare these patterns of genome-wide diversity with those from 69 Old World non-Jewish populations, of which 25 have not previously been reported. These samples were carefully chosen to provide comprehensive comparisons between Jewish and non-Jewish populations in the Diaspora, as well as with non-Jewish populations from the Middle East and north Africa. Principal component and structure-like analyses identify previously unrecognized genetic substructure within the Middle East. Most Jewish samples form a remarkably tight subcluster that overlies Druze and Cypriot samples but not samples from other Levantine populations or paired Diaspora host populations... These results cast light on the variegated genetic architecture of the Middle East, and trace the origins of most Jewish Diaspora communities to the Levant."

The genome-wide structure of the Jewish people. - PubMed - NCBI

We went over this years ago, it's not from a blog, it comes directly from the study as reported by Haaretz:

"The researchers found that more than 80 percent of the maternal lineages of Ashkenazi Jews could be traced to indigenous Europeans...."


read more: Study traces Ashkenazi roots to European women who probably converted to Judaism - Jewish World News

 

[montelatici]

Did you ignore this part of your link.................


There is consensus that all Jewish Diaspora groups, including the Ashkenazim, trace their ancestry, at least in part, to the Levant, ~2,000–3,000 years ago

The Ashkenazim are thought to have emerged from dispersals north into the Rhineland of Mediterranean Jews in the early Middle Ages,

We are then faced with several competing models for Ashkenazi origins: a Levantine ancestry; a Mediterranean/west European ancestry; a North Caucasian ancestry; or, of course, a blend of these. This seems an ideal problem to tackle with genetic analysis, but after decades of intensive study a definitive answer remains elusive

Several suggest a primarily Levantine ancestry with south/west European admixture

The maternal line has also been studied, and indeed Ashkenazi mtDNAs are highly distinctive

And, of course, he is only posting the one study which supports his POV, while ignoring the other studies which have pointed to a much higher percentage of Middle Eastern origin for Ashkenazi Jews.

It's recent and from a neutral source. Not a propaganda piece.

1. • Marta D. Costa
   • & Joana B. Pereira
   These authors contributed equally to this work
   

Affiliations

1. Institute of Integrative and Comparative Biology, Faculty of Biological Sciences, University of Leeds, Leeds LS2 9JT, UK
   • Marta D. Costa
   • , Joana B. Pereira
   • , Verónica Fernandes
   • , Ken Khong Eng
   • & Martin B. Richards
2. IPATIMUP (Instituto de Patologia e Imunologia Molecular da Universidade do Porto), Porto 4200-465, Portugal
   • Marta D. Costa
   • , Joana B. Pereira
   • , Verónica Fernandes
   • , Pedro Soares
   • &Luísa Pereira
3. School of Applied Sciences, University of Huddersfield, Queensgate, Huddersfield HD1 3DH, UK
   • Maria Pala
   • , Martin Carr
   • & Martin B. Richards
4. Dipartimento di Biologia e Biotecnologie, Università di Pavia, Pavia 27100, Italy
   • Anna Olivieri
   • & Ugo A. Perego
5. Dipartimento di Chimica, Biologia e Biotecnologie, Università di Perugia, Perugia 06123, Italy
   • Alessandro Achilli
6. Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation, Salt Lake City, Utah 84115, USA
   • Ugo A. Perego
   • & Scott R. Woodward
7. Vavilov Institute of General Genetics, Moscow 119991, Russia
   • Sergei Rychkov
   • & Oksana Naumova
8. Charles University, Medical Faculty in Pilsen, Institute of Biology, CZ-301 66 Pilsen, Czech Republic
   • Jiři Hatina
9. Ancestry, Provo, Utah 84604, USA
   • Scott R. Woodward
10. Centre for Global Archaeological Research, Universiti Sains Malaysia, 11800 USM Penang, Malaysia
    • Ken Khong Eng
11. School of Mathematics and Statistics, University of Glasgow, Glasgow G12 8QQ, UK
    • Vincent Macaulay
12. Faculdade de Medicina da Universidade do Porto, Porto 4200-319, Portugal
    • Luísa Pereira

 

[rylah]

So, you on the other hand, fail to tell the rest of the story:

"All told, more than 80 percent of the maternal lineages of Ashkenazi Jews could be traced to Europe, with only a few lineages originating in the Near East."

This is a real scientific study, performed by trained geneticists from neutral institutions, not the Zionist propaganda that you refer to.

Arab Jews, Arab Christians and Arab Muslims are the pretty much the same people. Of course there would similarity between them. And yes, before the Zionist invasion, there were Arab Jews. They spoke Arabic and were culturally Arab. This documentary films Arab Jews in the late 1800s.



European Jews (the Zionists from northern and eastern Europe), on the other hand, have less of a genetic tie to the Middle East than southern Europeans.

But, even if the genetic propaganda were true, the European Zionists still had no claim to, nor the right to colonize and dispossess the native Christians and Muslims of Palestine.

Again you manipulate and cut the 1st part of some "science" blog with another part (earlier) from a research, but only the parts and blogs that suit your pov.

We have already dealt with this "study"

So, you on the other hand, fail to tell the rest of the story:

"All told, more than 80 percent of the maternal lineages of Ashkenazi Jews could be traced to Europe, with only a few lineages originating in the Near East."

This is a real scientific study, performed by trained geneticists from neutral institutions, not the Zionist propaganda that you refer to.

Arab Jews, Arab Christians and Arab Muslims are the pretty much the same people. Of course there would similarity between them. And yes, before the Zionist invasion, there were Arab Jews. They spoke Arabic and were culturally Arab. This documentary films Arab Jews in the late 1800s.



European Jews (the Zionists from northern and eastern Europe), on the other hand, have less of a genetic tie to the Middle East than southern Europeans.

But, even if the genetic propaganda were true, the European Zionists still had no claim to, nor the right to colonize and dispossess the native Christians and Muslims of Palestine.

No the later quote doesn't come from a study but a blog, and we have already dealt with it 2 days ago.
It only proves that that you cut a sentence from here and there just to manipulate the info to suit your POV.

"Here we use high-density bead arrays to genotype individuals from 14 Jewish Diaspora communities and compare these patterns of genome-wide diversity with those from 69 Old World non-Jewish populations, of which 25 have not previously been reported. These samples were carefully chosen to provide comprehensive comparisons between Jewish and non-Jewish populations in the Diaspora, as well as with non-Jewish populations from the Middle East and north Africa. Principal component and structure-like analyses identify previously unrecognized genetic substructure within the Middle East. Most Jewish samples form a remarkably tight subcluster that overlies Druze and Cypriot samples but not samples from other Levantine populations or paired Diaspora host populations... These results cast light on the variegated genetic architecture of the Middle East, and trace the origins of most Jewish Diaspora communities to the Levant."

The genome-wide structure of the Jewish people. - PubMed - NCBI

We went over this years ago, it's not from a blog, it comes directly from the study as reported by Haaretz:

"The researchers found that more than 80 percent of the maternal lineages of Ashkenazi Jews could be traced to indigenous Europeans...."


read more: Study traces Ashkenazi roots to European women who probably converted to Judaism - Jewish World News

Haaretz is a left wing anti semitic publication which receives "donations" from the PA and European countries...so they mentioned the same "study" you cut and paste and??

We've read your links and they don't agree with what you try to present.

 

[rylah]

So, you on the other hand, fail to tell the rest of the story:

"All told, more than 80 percent of the maternal lineages of Ashkenazi Jews could be traced to Europe, with only a few lineages originating in the Near East."

This is a real scientific study, performed by trained geneticists from neutral institutions, not the Zionist propaganda that you refer to.

Arab Jews, Arab Christians and Arab Muslims are the pretty much the same people. Of course there would similarity between them. And yes, before the Zionist invasion, there were Arab Jews. They spoke Arabic and were culturally Arab. This documentary films Arab Jews in the late 1800s.



European Jews (the Zionists from northern and eastern Europe), on the other hand, have less of a genetic tie to the Middle East than southern Europeans.

But, even if the genetic propaganda were true, the European Zionists still had no claim to, nor the right to colonize and dispossess the native Christians and Muslims of Palestine.

Again you manipulate and cut the 1st part of some "science" blog with another part (earlier) from a research, but only the parts and blogs that suit your pov.

We have already dealt with this "study"

So, you on the other hand, fail to tell the rest of the story:

"All told, more than 80 percent of the maternal lineages of Ashkenazi Jews could be traced to Europe, with only a few lineages originating in the Near East."

This is a real scientific study, performed by trained geneticists from neutral institutions, not the Zionist propaganda that you refer to.

Arab Jews, Arab Christians and Arab Muslims are the pretty much the same people. Of course there would similarity between them. And yes, before the Zionist invasion, there were Arab Jews. They spoke Arabic and were culturally Arab. This documentary films Arab Jews in the late 1800s.



European Jews (the Zionists from northern and eastern Europe), on the other hand, have less of a genetic tie to the Middle East than southern Europeans.

But, even if the genetic propaganda were true, the European Zionists still had no claim to, nor the right to colonize and dispossess the native Christians and Muslims of Palestine.

No the later quote doesn't come from a study but a blog, and we have already dealt with it 2 days ago.
It only proves that that you cut a sentence from here and there just to manipulate the info to suit your POV.

"Here we use high-density bead arrays to genotype individuals from 14 Jewish Diaspora communities and compare these patterns of genome-wide diversity with those from 69 Old World non-Jewish populations, of which 25 have not previously been reported. These samples were carefully chosen to provide comprehensive comparisons between Jewish and non-Jewish populations in the Diaspora, as well as with non-Jewish populations from the Middle East and north Africa. Principal component and structure-like analyses identify previously unrecognized genetic substructure within the Middle East. Most Jewish samples form a remarkably tight subcluster that overlies Druze and Cypriot samples but not samples from other Levantine populations or paired Diaspora host populations... These results cast light on the variegated genetic architecture of the Middle East, and trace the origins of most Jewish Diaspora communities to the Levant."

The genome-wide structure of the Jewish people. - PubMed - NCBI

We went over this years ago, it's not from a blog, it comes directly from the study as reported by Haaretz:

"The researchers found that more than 80 percent of the maternal lineages of Ashkenazi Jews could be traced to indigenous Europeans...."


read more: Study traces Ashkenazi roots to European women who probably converted to Judaism - Jewish World News

What happened to your other link that refutes what you say, conveniently ignoring?

 

[montelatici]

So, you on the other hand, fail to tell the rest of the story:

"All told, more than 80 percent of the maternal lineages of Ashkenazi Jews could be traced to Europe, with only a few lineages originating in the Near East."

This is a real scientific study, performed by trained geneticists from neutral institutions, not the Zionist propaganda that you refer to.

Arab Jews, Arab Christians and Arab Muslims are the pretty much the same people. Of course there would similarity between them. And yes, before the Zionist invasion, there were Arab Jews. They spoke Arabic and were culturally Arab. This documentary films Arab Jews in the late 1800s.



European Jews (the Zionists from northern and eastern Europe), on the other hand, have less of a genetic tie to the Middle East than southern Europeans.

But, even if the genetic propaganda were true, the European Zionists still had no claim to, nor the right to colonize and dispossess the native Christians and Muslims of Palestine.

There's no such thing as "Arab Jews",and I'm not talking about culture or language, but geographical and tribal origin. There were Jews living in Mecca, Medina and Yemen in diaspora but they were simply Jews- meaning of the tribe of Judea.

Of course there were Arab Jews, they were self-described as such. Arab is cultural and linguistic affiliation. You might want to inform yourself. I've known many Arab Jews, there were many Arab Jew families in Tunisia and they differentiated themselves from the Italian Jews that traded with them.

Here is where you can learn about Arab Jews.

Reflections By An Arab Jew - Ella Shohat

 

[montelatici]

So, you on the other hand, fail to tell the rest of the story:

"All told, more than 80 percent of the maternal lineages of Ashkenazi Jews could be traced to Europe, with only a few lineages originating in the Near East."

This is a real scientific study, performed by trained geneticists from neutral institutions, not the Zionist propaganda that you refer to.

Arab Jews, Arab Christians and Arab Muslims are the pretty much the same people. Of course there would similarity between them. And yes, before the Zionist invasion, there were Arab Jews. They spoke Arabic and were culturally Arab. This documentary films Arab Jews in the late 1800s.



European Jews (the Zionists from northern and eastern Europe), on the other hand, have less of a genetic tie to the Middle East than southern Europeans.

But, even if the genetic propaganda were true, the European Zionists still had no claim to, nor the right to colonize and dispossess the native Christians and Muslims of Palestine.

Again you manipulate and cut the 1st part of some "science" blog with another part (earlier) from a research, but only the parts and blogs that suit your pov.

We have already dealt with this "study"

So, you on the other hand, fail to tell the rest of the story:

"All told, more than 80 percent of the maternal lineages of Ashkenazi Jews could be traced to Europe, with only a few lineages originating in the Near East."

This is a real scientific study, performed by trained geneticists from neutral institutions, not the Zionist propaganda that you refer to.

Arab Jews, Arab Christians and Arab Muslims are the pretty much the same people. Of course there would similarity between them. And yes, before the Zionist invasion, there were Arab Jews. They spoke Arabic and were culturally Arab. This documentary films Arab Jews in the late 1800s.



European Jews (the Zionists from northern and eastern Europe), on the other hand, have less of a genetic tie to the Middle East than southern Europeans.

But, even if the genetic propaganda were true, the European Zionists still had no claim to, nor the right to colonize and dispossess the native Christians and Muslims of Palestine.

No the later quote doesn't come from a study but a blog, and we have already dealt with it 2 days ago.
It only proves that that you cut a sentence from here and there just to manipulate the info to suit your POV.

"Here we use high-density bead arrays to genotype individuals from 14 Jewish Diaspora communities and compare these patterns of genome-wide diversity with those from 69 Old World non-Jewish populations, of which 25 have not previously been reported. These samples were carefully chosen to provide comprehensive comparisons between Jewish and non-Jewish populations in the Diaspora, as well as with non-Jewish populations from the Middle East and north Africa. Principal component and structure-like analyses identify previously unrecognized genetic substructure within the Middle East. Most Jewish samples form a remarkably tight subcluster that overlies Druze and Cypriot samples but not samples from other Levantine populations or paired Diaspora host populations... These results cast light on the variegated genetic architecture of the Middle East, and trace the origins of most Jewish Diaspora communities to the Levant."

The genome-wide structure of the Jewish people. - PubMed - NCBI

We went over this years ago, it's not from a blog, it comes directly from the study as reported by Haaretz:

"The researchers found that more than 80 percent of the maternal lineages of Ashkenazi Jews could be traced to indigenous Europeans...."


read more: Study traces Ashkenazi roots to European women who probably converted to Judaism - Jewish World News

Haaretz is a left wing anti semitic publication which receives "donations" from the PA and European countries...so they mentioned the same "study" you cut and paste and??

We've read your links and they don't agree with what you try to present.

I see, then you need to read it directly from the study. Will you stop parroting denial propaganda then? Here it is direct from the study. Now STFU.

"it seems that at least 80% of Ashkenazi maternal ancestry is due to the assimilation of mtDNAs indigenous to Europe..."

A substantial prehistoric European ancestry amongst Ashkenazi maternal lineages : Nature Communications

 

[montelatici]

So, you on the other hand, fail to tell the rest of the story:

"All told, more than 80 percent of the maternal lineages of Ashkenazi Jews could be traced to Europe, with only a few lineages originating in the Near East."

This is a real scientific study, performed by trained geneticists from neutral institutions, not the Zionist propaganda that you refer to.

Arab Jews, Arab Christians and Arab Muslims are the pretty much the same people. Of course there would similarity between them. And yes, before the Zionist invasion, there were Arab Jews. They spoke Arabic and were culturally Arab. This documentary films Arab Jews in the late 1800s.



European Jews (the Zionists from northern and eastern Europe), on the other hand, have less of a genetic tie to the Middle East than southern Europeans.

But, even if the genetic propaganda were true, the European Zionists still had no claim to, nor the right to colonize and dispossess the native Christians and Muslims of Palestine.

Again you manipulate and cut the 1st part of some "science" blog with another part (earlier) from a research, but only the parts and blogs that suit your pov.

We have already dealt with this "study"

So, you on the other hand, fail to tell the rest of the story:

"All told, more than 80 percent of the maternal lineages of Ashkenazi Jews could be traced to Europe, with only a few lineages originating in the Near East."

This is a real scientific study, performed by trained geneticists from neutral institutions, not the Zionist propaganda that you refer to.

Arab Jews, Arab Christians and Arab Muslims are the pretty much the same people. Of course there would similarity between them. And yes, before the Zionist invasion, there were Arab Jews. They spoke Arabic and were culturally Arab. This documentary films Arab Jews in the late 1800s.



European Jews (the Zionists from northern and eastern Europe), on the other hand, have less of a genetic tie to the Middle East than southern Europeans.

But, even if the genetic propaganda were true, the European Zionists still had no claim to, nor the right to colonize and dispossess the native Christians and Muslims of Palestine.

No the later quote doesn't come from a study but a blog, and we have already dealt with it 2 days ago.
It only proves that that you cut a sentence from here and there just to manipulate the info to suit your POV.

"Here we use high-density bead arrays to genotype individuals from 14 Jewish Diaspora communities and compare these patterns of genome-wide diversity with those from 69 Old World non-Jewish populations, of which 25 have not previously been reported. These samples were carefully chosen to provide comprehensive comparisons between Jewish and non-Jewish populations in the Diaspora, as well as with non-Jewish populations from the Middle East and north Africa. Principal component and structure-like analyses identify previously unrecognized genetic substructure within the Middle East. Most Jewish samples form a remarkably tight subcluster that overlies Druze and Cypriot samples but not samples from other Levantine populations or paired Diaspora host populations... These results cast light on the variegated genetic architecture of the Middle East, and trace the origins of most Jewish Diaspora communities to the Levant."

The genome-wide structure of the Jewish people. - PubMed - NCBI

We went over this years ago, it's not from a blog, it comes directly from the study as reported by Haaretz:

"The researchers found that more than 80 percent of the maternal lineages of Ashkenazi Jews could be traced to indigenous Europeans...."


read more: Study traces Ashkenazi roots to European women who probably converted to Judaism - Jewish World News

What happened to your other link that refutes what you say, conveniently ignoring?

No link refutes what I say because I am just presenting facts.

 

[rylah]

So, you on the other hand, fail to tell the rest of the story:

"All told, more than 80 percent of the maternal lineages of Ashkenazi Jews could be traced to Europe, with only a few lineages originating in the Near East."

This is a real scientific study, performed by trained geneticists from neutral institutions, not the Zionist propaganda that you refer to.

Arab Jews, Arab Christians and Arab Muslims are the pretty much the same people. Of course there would similarity between them. And yes, before the Zionist invasion, there were Arab Jews. They spoke Arabic and were culturally Arab. This documentary films Arab Jews in the late 1800s.



European Jews (the Zionists from northern and eastern Europe), on the other hand, have less of a genetic tie to the Middle East than southern Europeans.

But, even if the genetic propaganda were true, the European Zionists still had no claim to, nor the right to colonize and dispossess the native Christians and Muslims of Palestine.

There's no such thing as "Arab Jews",and I'm not talking about culture or language, but geographical and tribal origin. There were Jews living in Mecca, Medina and Yemen in diaspora but they were simply Jews- meaning of the tribe of Judea.

Of course there were Arab Jews, they were self-described as such. Arab is cultural and linguistic affiliation. You might want to inform yourself. I've known many Arab Jews, there were many Arab Jew families in Tunisia and they differentiated themselves from the Italian Jews that traded with them.

Here is where you can learn about Arab Jews.

Reflections By An Arab Jew - Ella Shohat

In the same article she writes "Sephardic Jews" and Iraqi Jews but still Jews...Jews in the diaspora spoke the language of the place, like Indian who comes to America speaks English.

Jew in Hebrew means - of the tribe of Judea.

 

[rylah]

So, you on the other hand, fail to tell the rest of the story:

"All told, more than 80 percent of the maternal lineages of Ashkenazi Jews could be traced to Europe, with only a few lineages originating in the Near East."

This is a real scientific study, performed by trained geneticists from neutral institutions, not the Zionist propaganda that you refer to.

Arab Jews, Arab Christians and Arab Muslims are the pretty much the same people. Of course there would similarity between them. And yes, before the Zionist invasion, there were Arab Jews. They spoke Arabic and were culturally Arab. This documentary films Arab Jews in the late 1800s.



European Jews (the Zionists from northern and eastern Europe), on the other hand, have less of a genetic tie to the Middle East than southern Europeans.

But, even if the genetic propaganda were true, the European Zionists still had no claim to, nor the right to colonize and dispossess the native Christians and Muslims of Palestine.

Again you manipulate and cut the 1st part of some "science" blog with another part (earlier) from a research, but only the parts and blogs that suit your pov.

We have already dealt with this "study"

So, you on the other hand, fail to tell the rest of the story:

"All told, more than 80 percent of the maternal lineages of Ashkenazi Jews could be traced to Europe, with only a few lineages originating in the Near East."

This is a real scientific study, performed by trained geneticists from neutral institutions, not the Zionist propaganda that you refer to.

Arab Jews, Arab Christians and Arab Muslims are the pretty much the same people. Of course there would similarity between them. And yes, before the Zionist invasion, there were Arab Jews. They spoke Arabic and were culturally Arab. This documentary films Arab Jews in the late 1800s.



European Jews (the Zionists from northern and eastern Europe), on the other hand, have less of a genetic tie to the Middle East than southern Europeans.

But, even if the genetic propaganda were true, the European Zionists still had no claim to, nor the right to colonize and dispossess the native Christians and Muslims of Palestine.

No the later quote doesn't come from a study but a blog, and we have already dealt with it 2 days ago.
It only proves that that you cut a sentence from here and there just to manipulate the info to suit your POV.

"Here we use high-density bead arrays to genotype individuals from 14 Jewish Diaspora communities and compare these patterns of genome-wide diversity with those from 69 Old World non-Jewish populations, of which 25 have not previously been reported. These samples were carefully chosen to provide comprehensive comparisons between Jewish and non-Jewish populations in the Diaspora, as well as with non-Jewish populations from the Middle East and north Africa. Principal component and structure-like analyses identify previously unrecognized genetic substructure within the Middle East. Most Jewish samples form a remarkably tight subcluster that overlies Druze and Cypriot samples but not samples from other Levantine populations or paired Diaspora host populations... These results cast light on the variegated genetic architecture of the Middle East, and trace the origins of most Jewish Diaspora communities to the Levant."

The genome-wide structure of the Jewish people. - PubMed - NCBI

We went over this years ago, it's not from a blog, it comes directly from the study as reported by Haaretz:

"The researchers found that more than 80 percent of the maternal lineages of Ashkenazi Jews could be traced to indigenous Europeans...."


read more: Study traces Ashkenazi roots to European women who probably converted to Judaism - Jewish World News

What happened to your other link that refutes what you say, conveniently ignoring?

No link refutes what I say because I am just presenting facts.

It's good that you've convinced yourself, but we've already refuted you numerous times, even using your own links
No need to get irritated, maybe next time...

Israel's Legal Right To Exist

Israel's Legal Right To Exist

Israel's Legal Right To Exist

 

[montelatici]

Well, an Inuit convert to Judaism is certainly not from the tribe of Judea. He is an Inuit that practices Judaism. Just as a European convert to Judaism is not from the tribe of Judea, he is a European that practices Judaism.

Just as an Inuit that converts to Sanatana Dharma doesn't miraculously become a Hindu. He/she becomes an Inuit that practices Sanatana Dharma he does not miraculously change to be from one of the Hindu tribes.

 

[montelatici]

So, you on the other hand, fail to tell the rest of the story:

"All told, more than 80 percent of the maternal lineages of Ashkenazi Jews could be traced to Europe, with only a few lineages originating in the Near East."

This is a real scientific study, performed by trained geneticists from neutral institutions, not the Zionist propaganda that you refer to.

Arab Jews, Arab Christians and Arab Muslims are the pretty much the same people. Of course there would similarity between them. And yes, before the Zionist invasion, there were Arab Jews. They spoke Arabic and were culturally Arab. This documentary films Arab Jews in the late 1800s.



European Jews (the Zionists from northern and eastern Europe), on the other hand, have less of a genetic tie to the Middle East than southern Europeans.

But, even if the genetic propaganda were true, the European Zionists still had no claim to, nor the right to colonize and dispossess the native Christians and Muslims of Palestine.

Again you manipulate and cut the 1st part of some "science" blog with another part (earlier) from a research, but only the parts and blogs that suit your pov.

We have already dealt with this "study"

So, you on the other hand, fail to tell the rest of the story:

"All told, more than 80 percent of the maternal lineages of Ashkenazi Jews could be traced to Europe, with only a few lineages originating in the Near East."

This is a real scientific study, performed by trained geneticists from neutral institutions, not the Zionist propaganda that you refer to.

Arab Jews, Arab Christians and Arab Muslims are the pretty much the same people. Of course there would similarity between them. And yes, before the Zionist invasion, there were Arab Jews. They spoke Arabic and were culturally Arab. This documentary films Arab Jews in the late 1800s.



European Jews (the Zionists from northern and eastern Europe), on the other hand, have less of a genetic tie to the Middle East than southern Europeans.

But, even if the genetic propaganda were true, the European Zionists still had no claim to, nor the right to colonize and dispossess the native Christians and Muslims of Palestine.

No the later quote doesn't come from a study but a blog, and we have already dealt with it 2 days ago.
It only proves that that you cut a sentence from here and there just to manipulate the info to suit your POV.

"Here we use high-density bead arrays to genotype individuals from 14 Jewish Diaspora communities and compare these patterns of genome-wide diversity with those from 69 Old World non-Jewish populations, of which 25 have not previously been reported. These samples were carefully chosen to provide comprehensive comparisons between Jewish and non-Jewish populations in the Diaspora, as well as with non-Jewish populations from the Middle East and north Africa. Principal component and structure-like analyses identify previously unrecognized genetic substructure within the Middle East. Most Jewish samples form a remarkably tight subcluster that overlies Druze and Cypriot samples but not samples from other Levantine populations or paired Diaspora host populations... These results cast light on the variegated genetic architecture of the Middle East, and trace the origins of most Jewish Diaspora communities to the Levant."

The genome-wide structure of the Jewish people. - PubMed - NCBI

We went over this years ago, it's not from a blog, it comes directly from the study as reported by Haaretz:

"The researchers found that more than 80 percent of the maternal lineages of Ashkenazi Jews could be traced to indigenous Europeans...."


read more: Study traces Ashkenazi roots to European women who probably converted to Judaism - Jewish World News

What happened to your other link that refutes what you say, conveniently ignoring?

No link refutes what I say because I am just presenting facts.

It's good that you've convinced yourself, but we've already refuted you numerous times, even using your own links
No need to get irritated, maybe next time...

Israel's Legal Right To Exist

Israel's Legal Right To Exist

Israel's Legal Right To Exist

You haven't refuted any of the facts I've presented. And you won't be able to, they are facts.

 

[rylah]

Well, an Inuit convert to Judaism is certainly not from the tribe of Judea. He is an Inuit that practices Judaism. Just as a European convert to Judaism is not from the tribe of Judea, he is a European that practices Judaism.

Just as an Inuit that converts to Sanatana Dharma doesn't miraculously become a Hindu. He/she becomes an Inuit that practices Sanatana Dharma he does not miraculously change to be from one of the Hindu tribes.

Give me a break, go study what it takes to convert to Judaism for men and women... and tell me would you circumcise yourself without anesthetics being 30 and take upon yourself 613 restrictions in addition to becoming one of the most persecuted and hated nations in history.

Your mistake is common- you look at Judaism through the eyes of Christianity and Islam, therefore can't grasp the simplest things.