Israel's Legal Right To Exist

[rylah]

Again you manipulate and cut the 1st part of some "science" blog with another part (earlier) from a research, but only the parts and blogs that suit your pov.

We have already dealt with this "study"
No the later quote doesn't come from a study but a blog, and we have already dealt with it 2 days ago.
It only proves that that you cut a sentence from here and there just to manipulate the info to suit your POV.

"Here we use high-density bead arrays to genotype individuals from 14 Jewish Diaspora communities and compare these patterns of genome-wide diversity with those from 69 Old World non-Jewish populations, of which 25 have not previously been reported. These samples were carefully chosen to provide comprehensive comparisons between Jewish and non-Jewish populations in the Diaspora, as well as with non-Jewish populations from the Middle East and north Africa. Principal component and structure-like analyses identify previously unrecognized genetic substructure within the Middle East. Most Jewish samples form a remarkably tight subcluster that overlies Druze and Cypriot samples but not samples from other Levantine populations or paired Diaspora host populations... These results cast light on the variegated genetic architecture of the Middle East, and trace the origins of most Jewish Diaspora communities to the Levant."

The genome-wide structure of the Jewish people. - PubMed - NCBI

We went over this years ago, it's not from a blog, it comes directly from the study as reported by Haaretz:

"The researchers found that more than 80 percent of the maternal lineages of Ashkenazi Jews could be traced to indigenous Europeans...."


read more: Study traces Ashkenazi roots to European women who probably converted to Judaism - Jewish World News

What happened to your other link that refutes what you say, conveniently ignoring?

No link refutes what I say because I am just presenting facts.

It's good that you've convinced yourself, but we've already refuted you numerous times, even using your own links
No need to get irritated, maybe next time...

Israel's Legal Right To Exist

Israel's Legal Right To Exist

Israel's Legal Right To Exist

You haven't refuted any of the facts I've presented. And you won't be able to, they are facts.

No they're not- they're questionable theory as everything in science, and they contradict what you tried to present.
Your "'Cause I say so" is neither fact nor science, no matter how many times you cutn'paste it.
And finally it takes away from your credibility.

 

[fanger]

one of the most persecuted and hated nations in history.

Have you ever questioned why that is? By the way judaism is a religion not a nation

 

[Phoenall]

So, you on the other hand, fail to tell the rest of the story:

"All told, more than 80 percent of the maternal lineages of Ashkenazi Jews could be traced to Europe, with only a few lineages originating in the Near East."

This is a real scientific study, performed by trained geneticists from neutral institutions, not the Zionist propaganda that you refer to.

Arab Jews, Arab Christians and Arab Muslims are the pretty much the same people. Of course there would similarity between them. And yes, before the Zionist invasion, there were Arab Jews. They spoke Arabic and were culturally Arab. This documentary films Arab Jews in the late 1800s.



European Jews (the Zionists from northern and eastern Europe), on the other hand, have less of a genetic tie to the Middle East than southern Europeans.

But, even if the genetic propaganda were true, the European Zionists still had no claim to, nor the right to colonize and dispossess the native Christians and Muslims of Palestine.

Again you manipulate and cut the 1st part of some "science" blog with another part (earlier) from a research, but only the parts and blogs that suit your pov.

We have already dealt with this "study"

So, you on the other hand, fail to tell the rest of the story:

"All told, more than 80 percent of the maternal lineages of Ashkenazi Jews could be traced to Europe, with only a few lineages originating in the Near East."

This is a real scientific study, performed by trained geneticists from neutral institutions, not the Zionist propaganda that you refer to.

Arab Jews, Arab Christians and Arab Muslims are the pretty much the same people. Of course there would similarity between them. And yes, before the Zionist invasion, there were Arab Jews. They spoke Arabic and were culturally Arab. This documentary films Arab Jews in the late 1800s.



European Jews (the Zionists from northern and eastern Europe), on the other hand, have less of a genetic tie to the Middle East than southern Europeans.

But, even if the genetic propaganda were true, the European Zionists still had no claim to, nor the right to colonize and dispossess the native Christians and Muslims of Palestine.

No the later quote doesn't come from a study but a blog, and we have already dealt with it 2 days ago.
It only proves that that you cut a sentence from here and there just to manipulate the info to suit your POV.

"Here we use high-density bead arrays to genotype individuals from 14 Jewish Diaspora communities and compare these patterns of genome-wide diversity with those from 69 Old World non-Jewish populations, of which 25 have not previously been reported. These samples were carefully chosen to provide comprehensive comparisons between Jewish and non-Jewish populations in the Diaspora, as well as with non-Jewish populations from the Middle East and north Africa. Principal component and structure-like analyses identify previously unrecognized genetic substructure within the Middle East. Most Jewish samples form a remarkably tight subcluster that overlies Druze and Cypriot samples but not samples from other Levantine populations or paired Diaspora host populations... These results cast light on the variegated genetic architecture of the Middle East, and trace the origins of most Jewish Diaspora communities to the Levant."

The genome-wide structure of the Jewish people. - PubMed - NCBI

We went over this years ago, it's not from a blog, it comes directly from the study as reported by Haaretz:

"The researchers found that more than 80 percent of the maternal lineages of Ashkenazi Jews could be traced to indigenous Europeans...."


read more: Study traces Ashkenazi roots to European women who probably converted to Judaism - Jewish World News

Strange how your link stops after just 10 words, and you have to pay for the rest ......................

 

[Phoenall]

So, you on the other hand, fail to tell the rest of the story:

"All told, more than 80 percent of the maternal lineages of Ashkenazi Jews could be traced to Europe, with only a few lineages originating in the Near East."

This is a real scientific study, performed by trained geneticists from neutral institutions, not the Zionist propaganda that you refer to.

Arab Jews, Arab Christians and Arab Muslims are the pretty much the same people. Of course there would similarity between them. And yes, before the Zionist invasion, there were Arab Jews. They spoke Arabic and were culturally Arab. This documentary films Arab Jews in the late 1800s.



European Jews (the Zionists from northern and eastern Europe), on the other hand, have less of a genetic tie to the Middle East than southern Europeans.

But, even if the genetic propaganda were true, the European Zionists still had no claim to, nor the right to colonize and dispossess the native Christians and Muslims of Palestine.

Again you manipulate and cut the 1st part of some "science" blog with another part (earlier) from a research, but only the parts and blogs that suit your pov.

We have already dealt with this "study"

So, you on the other hand, fail to tell the rest of the story:

"All told, more than 80 percent of the maternal lineages of Ashkenazi Jews could be traced to Europe, with only a few lineages originating in the Near East."

This is a real scientific study, performed by trained geneticists from neutral institutions, not the Zionist propaganda that you refer to.

Arab Jews, Arab Christians and Arab Muslims are the pretty much the same people. Of course there would similarity between them. And yes, before the Zionist invasion, there were Arab Jews. They spoke Arabic and were culturally Arab. This documentary films Arab Jews in the late 1800s.



European Jews (the Zionists from northern and eastern Europe), on the other hand, have less of a genetic tie to the Middle East than southern Europeans.

But, even if the genetic propaganda were true, the European Zionists still had no claim to, nor the right to colonize and dispossess the native Christians and Muslims of Palestine.

No the later quote doesn't come from a study but a blog, and we have already dealt with it 2 days ago.
It only proves that that you cut a sentence from here and there just to manipulate the info to suit your POV.

"Here we use high-density bead arrays to genotype individuals from 14 Jewish Diaspora communities and compare these patterns of genome-wide diversity with those from 69 Old World non-Jewish populations, of which 25 have not previously been reported. These samples were carefully chosen to provide comprehensive comparisons between Jewish and non-Jewish populations in the Diaspora, as well as with non-Jewish populations from the Middle East and north Africa. Principal component and structure-like analyses identify previously unrecognized genetic substructure within the Middle East. Most Jewish samples form a remarkably tight subcluster that overlies Druze and Cypriot samples but not samples from other Levantine populations or paired Diaspora host populations... These results cast light on the variegated genetic architecture of the Middle East, and trace the origins of most Jewish Diaspora communities to the Levant."

The genome-wide structure of the Jewish people. - PubMed - NCBI

We went over this years ago, it's not from a blog, it comes directly from the study as reported by Haaretz:

"The researchers found that more than 80 percent of the maternal lineages of Ashkenazi Jews could be traced to indigenous Europeans...."


read more: Study traces Ashkenazi roots to European women who probably converted to Judaism - Jewish World News

Which came from a blog, and yiu are caught LYING again

 

[Shusha]

I see, then you need to read it directly from the study. Will you stop parroting denial propaganda then? Here it is direct from the study. Now STFU.

"it seems that at least 80% of Ashkenazi maternal ancestry is due to the assimilation of mtDNAs indigenous to Europe..."

No, your link is not directly from the study of Ashkenzai maternal ancestry. It is an alternative interpretation of the study which actually contradicts the conclusions drawn by those who conducted the study, who write:

The observed global pattern of distribution renders very unlikely the possibility that the four aforementioned founder lineages entered the Ashkenazi mtDNA pool via gene flow from a European host population.

...the very presence of the Ashkenazi founding lineages, albeit at low frequencies, in North African, Near Eastern, and Caucasian Jews, supports a common Levantine ancestry...



Now, I'm going to say again that I despise these conversations as modern, technology-assisted racism in the vein of "your skin isn't white enough, your eyes aren't blue enough and your hair isn't blonde enough". And the use of these studies to deny a relationship between the Jewish people and their ancestral homeland is heinous. And I would like to also call attention to the fact that DNA analysis is only typically or commonly used to deny the Jewish people. No one suggests using DNA analysis to determine the legitimacy of the Palestinian claim.

 

[Phoenall]

one of the most persecuted and hated nations in history.

Have you ever questioned why that is? By the way judaism is a religion not a nation

Yes and found that it led to two groups that wanted supremacy over the world, so tried to eradicate the leading religion of the time and usurp it with their own. The Romans failed as did their empire, leaving the muslims that invented a new religion based around the evil and vile sections of Judaism and Christianity. This is why they are hated so much today

 

[Phoenall]

So, you on the other hand, fail to tell the rest of the story:

"All told, more than 80 percent of the maternal lineages of Ashkenazi Jews could be traced to Europe, with only a few lineages originating in the Near East."

This is a real scientific study, performed by trained geneticists from neutral institutions, not the Zionist propaganda that you refer to.

Arab Jews, Arab Christians and Arab Muslims are the pretty much the same people. Of course there would similarity between them. And yes, before the Zionist invasion, there were Arab Jews. They spoke Arabic and were culturally Arab. This documentary films Arab Jews in the late 1800s.



European Jews (the Zionists from northern and eastern Europe), on the other hand, have less of a genetic tie to the Middle East than southern Europeans.

But, even if the genetic propaganda were true, the European Zionists still had no claim to, nor the right to colonize and dispossess the native Christians and Muslims of Palestine.

Again you manipulate and cut the 1st part of some "science" blog with another part (earlier) from a research, but only the parts and blogs that suit your pov.

We have already dealt with this "study"

So, you on the other hand, fail to tell the rest of the story:

"All told, more than 80 percent of the maternal lineages of Ashkenazi Jews could be traced to Europe, with only a few lineages originating in the Near East."

This is a real scientific study, performed by trained geneticists from neutral institutions, not the Zionist propaganda that you refer to.

Arab Jews, Arab Christians and Arab Muslims are the pretty much the same people. Of course there would similarity between them. And yes, before the Zionist invasion, there were Arab Jews. They spoke Arabic and were culturally Arab. This documentary films Arab Jews in the late 1800s.



European Jews (the Zionists from northern and eastern Europe), on the other hand, have less of a genetic tie to the Middle East than southern Europeans.

But, even if the genetic propaganda were true, the European Zionists still had no claim to, nor the right to colonize and dispossess the native Christians and Muslims of Palestine.

No the later quote doesn't come from a study but a blog, and we have already dealt with it 2 days ago.
It only proves that that you cut a sentence from here and there just to manipulate the info to suit your POV.

"Here we use high-density bead arrays to genotype individuals from 14 Jewish Diaspora communities and compare these patterns of genome-wide diversity with those from 69 Old World non-Jewish populations, of which 25 have not previously been reported. These samples were carefully chosen to provide comprehensive comparisons between Jewish and non-Jewish populations in the Diaspora, as well as with non-Jewish populations from the Middle East and north Africa. Principal component and structure-like analyses identify previously unrecognized genetic substructure within the Middle East. Most Jewish samples form a remarkably tight subcluster that overlies Druze and Cypriot samples but not samples from other Levantine populations or paired Diaspora host populations... These results cast light on the variegated genetic architecture of the Middle East, and trace the origins of most Jewish Diaspora communities to the Levant."

The genome-wide structure of the Jewish people. - PubMed - NCBI

We went over this years ago, it's not from a blog, it comes directly from the study as reported by Haaretz:

"The researchers found that more than 80 percent of the maternal lineages of Ashkenazi Jews could be traced to indigenous Europeans...."


read more: Study traces Ashkenazi roots to European women who probably converted to Judaism - Jewish World News

Haaretz is a left wing anti semitic publication which receives "donations" from the PA and European countries...so they mentioned the same "study" you cut and paste and??

We've read your links and they don't agree with what you try to present.

I see, then you need to read it directly from the study. Will you stop parroting denial propaganda then? Here it is direct from the study. Now STFU.

"it seems that at least 80% of Ashkenazi maternal ancestry is due to the assimilation of mtDNAs indigenous to Europe..."

A substantial prehistoric European ancestry amongst Ashkenazi maternal lineages : Nature Communications

Not quite what it says as you claim is it freddy boy It is talking about maternal ancestry only of a small number of ashkenazi Jews, not the whole of the ashkenazi Jewish population. It would take up all the bandwidth to post the complete subject, but it talks of 1% here and 3% there and these small groups in their totallity showing an 80% due to assimilation. 80% of 100 is just 80, not 8 million as you are implying.
Not much further on it goes on to say this

As might be expected from the autosomal picture, Y-chromosome studies generally show the opposite trend to mtDNA (with a predominantly Near Eastern source)

Showing that the same study puts the origins of the ashkenazi Jews firmly in the near east .


So in reality it niether confirms nor negates anything, and just muddies the already turbulent stream

 

[rylah]

one of the most persecuted and hated nations in history.

Have you ever questioned why that is? By the way judaism is a religion not a nation

Before entering Canaan Moses our Rabbi told sons of Jacob that they'll settle and prosper and get used to the land. Then they shall be exiled to the 4 corners of earth, persecuted, tortured and until they "won't know what the next day brings"!
Sons of Israel were shocked and asked for the reason Moses uncovered that...
Moses answered them that they should forget about EXISTENCE but rather focus on LIVING. And so Jews produced their greatest works during the hardest of times.

Am Israel Hai!

 

[Shusha]

Well, an Inuit convert to Judaism is certainly not from the tribe of Judea. He is an Inuit that practices Judaism. Just as a European convert to Judaism is not from the tribe of Judea, he is a European that practices Judaism.

Just as an Inuit that converts to Sanatana Dharma doesn't miraculously become a Hindu. He/she becomes an Inuit that practices Sanatana Dharma he does not miraculously change to be from one of the Hindu tribes.

Sure, and when a Jew learns to speak Arabic, he doesn't miraculously turn Arab.

What actually happens is that a person of one ethnic group marries and procreates with someone from a different ethnic group. One of the two cultures usually "wins out" and the family adopts and continues that particular culture. Thus a European non-Jew may marry a Jew and convert to Judaism and raise Jewish children. Or an Arab may marry a Jew and produce children who are both Arabic and Jewish and one or the other of those cultures may become predominate in that society. It is also possible that groups living in a diaspora will not intermarry much with the local population and instead largely marry and produce children within its own community (which seems to be mostly the case with the Jewish people).

This idea you seem to have that there has been and continues to be a mass conversion to the faith of Judaism absent of marriage and procreation is grossly mistaken. It is extremely rare today, let alone hundreds or thousands of years ago.

If one knows anything about Judaism, one should know that there is no reason to convert to Judaism. Non-Jews are welcome in the Jewish community as non-Jews (B'nei Noah) and converting serves no purpose. (Except for marriage and the rearing of children).

 

[Shusha]

one of the most persecuted and hated nations in history.

Have you ever questioned why that is?

Of course the Jewish people have questioned it. There are some fascinating and beautiful theological answers, which are probably beyond the scope of this board.

But you are only using this to segue into "Jews are evil". So, let's just not.

 

[Hossfly]

one of the most persecuted and hated nations in history.

Have you ever questioned why that is? By the way judaism is a religion not a nation

fanger is a prime candidate to show the readers why this happened. All the losers like fanger pick on some small groups as scapegoats for their own failures. Anyone reading this board can quickly pick up that fanger uses his Jew hatred to cover up his own inadequacies.

 

[montelatici]

I see, then you need to read it directly from the study. Will you stop parroting denial propaganda then? Here it is direct from the study. Now STFU.

"it seems that at least 80% of Ashkenazi maternal ancestry is due to the assimilation of mtDNAs indigenous to Europe..."

No, your link is not directly from the study of Ashkenzai maternal ancestry. It is an alternative interpretation of the study which actually contradicts the conclusions drawn by those who conducted the study, who write:

The observed global pattern of distribution renders very unlikely the possibility that the four aforementioned founder lineages entered the Ashkenazi mtDNA pool via gene flow from a European host population.

...the very presence of the Ashkenazi founding lineages, albeit at low frequencies, in North African, Near Eastern, and Caucasian Jews, supports a common Levantine ancestry...



Now, I'm going to say again that I despise these conversations as modern, technology-assisted racism in the vein of "your skin isn't white enough, your eyes aren't blue enough and your hair isn't blonde enough". And the use of these studies to deny a relationship between the Jewish people and their ancestral homeland is heinous. And I would like to also call attention to the fact that DNA analysis is only typically or commonly used to deny the Jewish people. No one suggests using DNA analysis to determine the legitimacy of the Palestinian claim.

It is a link to the study. Stop lying.

"A substantial prehistoric European ancestry amongst Ashkenazi maternal lineages

• Marta D. Costa
• , Joana B. Pereira
• , Maria Pala
• , Verónica Fernandes
• , Anna Olivieri
• , Alessandro Achilli
• ,Ugo A. Perego
• , Sergei Rychkov
• , Oksana Naumova
• , Jiři Hatina
• , Scott R. Woodward
• , Ken Khong Eng
• ,Vincent Macaulay
• , Martin Carr
• , Pedro Soares
• , Luísa Pereira
• & Martin B. Richards

• Nature Communications 4, Article number: 2543 (2013)
• doi:10.1038/ncomms3543
• Download Citation
• • Anthropology
  • Population genetics

Received:
11 July 2013
Accepted:
04 September 2013
Published online:
08 October 2013"

A substantial prehistoric European ancestry amongst Ashkenazi maternal lineages : Nature Communications

It is fine for anyone to self identify as any ethnic group. But, one can't use that self-identification to claim land inhabited by native people and dispossess those native people, people whose ancestors had lived on the land for thousands of years. And, whose DNA/ancestry is close to 100% from the area.

Fact is, the Zionists were Europeans with Middle East ancestry equivalent to other Europeans that were Christians.

 

[montelatici]

Well, an Inuit convert to Judaism is certainly not from the tribe of Judea. He is an Inuit that practices Judaism. Just as a European convert to Judaism is not from the tribe of Judea, he is a European that practices Judaism.

Just as an Inuit that converts to Sanatana Dharma doesn't miraculously become a Hindu. He/she becomes an Inuit that practices Sanatana Dharma he does not miraculously change to be from one of the Hindu tribes.

Give me a break, go study what it takes to convert to Judaism for men and women... and tell me would you circumcise yourself without anesthetics being 30 and take upon yourself 613 restrictions in addition to becoming one of the most persecuted and hated nations in history.

Your mistake is common- you look at Judaism through the eyes of Christianity and Islam, therefore can't grasp the simplest things.

I look at historical fact. You have been spoon fed a fantasy.

 

[Kondor3]

First of all there are people of the Judaic faith, not "Jewish people", a person of any ethnicity can practice Judaism. There are Europeans that practice Judaism, Asians, there even probably Inuits that practice Judaism.

People of the Judaic faith can have all the self-determination they want, but colonizing/invading Palestine and dispossessing the native Christians and Muslims whose ancestors had been living there for thousands of years, whatever religion their ancestors practiced, was a criminal act.

Doesn't matter.

Leave.

Live.

 

[montelatici]

The Muslims will not leave. The Christians have been leaving since the Zionist invasion began, they had the wealth to do so, and Palestinian Christians are doing well in South America, Chile especially. But, the Palestinian Christians still believe they will be able to return someday from what I have read.

 

[Hollie]

I see, then you need to read it directly from the study. Will you stop parroting denial propaganda then? Here it is direct from the study. Now STFU.

"it seems that at least 80% of Ashkenazi maternal ancestry is due to the assimilation of mtDNAs indigenous to Europe..."

No, your link is not directly from the study of Ashkenzai maternal ancestry. It is an alternative interpretation of the study which actually contradicts the conclusions drawn by those who conducted the study, who write:

The observed global pattern of distribution renders very unlikely the possibility that the four aforementioned founder lineages entered the Ashkenazi mtDNA pool via gene flow from a European host population.

...the very presence of the Ashkenazi founding lineages, albeit at low frequencies, in North African, Near Eastern, and Caucasian Jews, supports a common Levantine ancestry...



Now, I'm going to say again that I despise these conversations as modern, technology-assisted racism in the vein of "your skin isn't white enough, your eyes aren't blue enough and your hair isn't blonde enough". And the use of these studies to deny a relationship between the Jewish people and their ancestral homeland is heinous. And I would like to also call attention to the fact that DNA analysis is only typically or commonly used to deny the Jewish people. No one suggests using DNA analysis to determine the legitimacy of the Palestinian claim.

It is a link to the study. Stop lying.

"A substantial prehistoric European ancestry amongst Ashkenazi maternal lineages

• Marta D. Costa
• , Joana B. Pereira
• , Maria Pala
• , Verónica Fernandes
• , Anna Olivieri
• , Alessandro Achilli
• ,Ugo A. Perego
• , Sergei Rychkov
• , Oksana Naumova
• , Jiři Hatina
• , Scott R. Woodward
• , Ken Khong Eng
• ,Vincent Macaulay
• , Martin Carr
• , Pedro Soares
• , Luísa Pereira
• & Martin B. Richards

• Nature Communications 4, Article number: 2543 (2013)
• doi:10.1038/ncomms3543
• Download Citation
• • Anthropology
  • Population genetics

Received:
11 July 2013
Accepted:
04 September 2013
Published online:
08 October 2013"

A substantial prehistoric European ancestry amongst Ashkenazi maternal lineages : Nature Communications

It is fine for anyone to self identify as any ethnic group. But, one can't use that self-identification to claim land inhabited by native people and dispossess those native people, people whose ancestors had lived on the land for thousands of years. And, whose DNA/ancestry is close to 100% from the area.

Fact is, the Zionists were Europeans with Middle East ancestry equivalent to other Europeans that were Christians.

So... then you're presuming Egyptian, Syrian and Lebanese invaders are "native people" relative to the geographic area of Pal'istan?

It appears the dispossession of those you claim were dispossessed were dispossessed by dispossessors from foreign Islamic lands.

 

[Hollie]

The Muslims will not leave. The Christians have been leaving since the Zionist invasion began, they had the wealth to do so, and Palestinian Christians are doing well in South America, Chile especially. But, the Palestinian Christians still believe they will be able to return someday from what I have read.

Actually, non-Islamics in Islamist controlled lands have historically been dispossessed and driven out of Islamist controlled areas.

 

[montelatici]

I see, then you need to read it directly from the study. Will you stop parroting denial propaganda then? Here it is direct from the study. Now STFU.

"it seems that at least 80% of Ashkenazi maternal ancestry is due to the assimilation of mtDNAs indigenous to Europe..."

No, your link is not directly from the study of Ashkenzai maternal ancestry. It is an alternative interpretation of the study which actually contradicts the conclusions drawn by those who conducted the study, who write:

The observed global pattern of distribution renders very unlikely the possibility that the four aforementioned founder lineages entered the Ashkenazi mtDNA pool via gene flow from a European host population.

...the very presence of the Ashkenazi founding lineages, albeit at low frequencies, in North African, Near Eastern, and Caucasian Jews, supports a common Levantine ancestry...



Now, I'm going to say again that I despise these conversations as modern, technology-assisted racism in the vein of "your skin isn't white enough, your eyes aren't blue enough and your hair isn't blonde enough". And the use of these studies to deny a relationship between the Jewish people and their ancestral homeland is heinous. And I would like to also call attention to the fact that DNA analysis is only typically or commonly used to deny the Jewish people. No one suggests using DNA analysis to determine the legitimacy of the Palestinian claim.

It is a link to the study. Stop lying.

"A substantial prehistoric European ancestry amongst Ashkenazi maternal lineages

• Marta D. Costa
• , Joana B. Pereira
• , Maria Pala
• , Verónica Fernandes
• , Anna Olivieri
• , Alessandro Achilli
• ,Ugo A. Perego
• , Sergei Rychkov
• , Oksana Naumova
• , Jiři Hatina
• , Scott R. Woodward
• , Ken Khong Eng
• ,Vincent Macaulay
• , Martin Carr
• , Pedro Soares
• , Luísa Pereira
• & Martin B. Richards

• Nature Communications 4, Article number: 2543 (2013)
• doi:10.1038/ncomms3543
• Download Citation
• • Anthropology
  • Population genetics

Received:
11 July 2013
Accepted:
04 September 2013
Published online:
08 October 2013"

A substantial prehistoric European ancestry amongst Ashkenazi maternal lineages : Nature Communications

It is fine for anyone to self identify as any ethnic group. But, one can't use that self-identification to claim land inhabited by native people and dispossess those native people, people whose ancestors had lived on the land for thousands of years. And, whose DNA/ancestry is close to 100% from the area.

Fact is, the Zionists were Europeans with Middle East ancestry equivalent to other Europeans that were Christians.

So... then you're presuming Egyptian, Syrian and Lebanese invaders are "native people" relative to the geographic area of Pal'istan?

It appears the dispossession of those you claim were dispossessed were dispossessed by dispossessors from foreign Islamic lands.

No, the Muslims and Christians of Palestine are the native people of Palestine. The Egyptians, Syrians and Lebanese are the native people of Egypt, Syria and Lebanon, respectively. It isn't that difficult to understand.

 

[montelatici]

The Muslims will not leave. The Christians have been leaving since the Zionist invasion began, they had the wealth to do so, and Palestinian Christians are doing well in South America, Chile especially. But, the Palestinian Christians still believe they will be able to return someday from what I have read.

Actually, non-Islamics in Islamist controlled lands have historically been dispossessed and driven out of Islamist controlled areas.

In the case of the Christians of Palestine, they have lived there since Christianity began, over 2000 years. makes your assertion bullshit, doesn't it. They began leaving when the European Zionists initiated their invasion. Their ancestors are the original Christians.

Most Christians around the world know this, it's only the American Christians that have been brainwashed to celebrate the oppression of fellow Christians by the Israelis, just because they are Palestinians.

Lenin's term, "useful idiots" applies to American Christians. As a Roman Catholic I support my fellow Christians.

 

[MJB12741]

I see, then you need to read it directly from the study. Will you stop parroting denial propaganda then? Here it is direct from the study. Now STFU.

"it seems that at least 80% of Ashkenazi maternal ancestry is due to the assimilation of mtDNAs indigenous to Europe..."

No, your link is not directly from the study of Ashkenzai maternal ancestry. It is an alternative interpretation of the study which actually contradicts the conclusions drawn by those who conducted the study, who write:

The observed global pattern of distribution renders very unlikely the possibility that the four aforementioned founder lineages entered the Ashkenazi mtDNA pool via gene flow from a European host population.

...the very presence of the Ashkenazi founding lineages, albeit at low frequencies, in North African, Near Eastern, and Caucasian Jews, supports a common Levantine ancestry...



Now, I'm going to say again that I despise these conversations as modern, technology-assisted racism in the vein of "your skin isn't white enough, your eyes aren't blue enough and your hair isn't blonde enough". And the use of these studies to deny a relationship between the Jewish people and their ancestral homeland is heinous. And I would like to also call attention to the fact that DNA analysis is only typically or commonly used to deny the Jewish people. No one suggests using DNA analysis to determine the legitimacy of the Palestinian claim.

It is a link to the study. Stop lying.

"A substantial prehistoric European ancestry amongst Ashkenazi maternal lineages

• Marta D. Costa
• , Joana B. Pereira
• , Maria Pala
• , Verónica Fernandes
• , Anna Olivieri
• , Alessandro Achilli
• ,Ugo A. Perego
• , Sergei Rychkov
• , Oksana Naumova
• , Jiři Hatina
• , Scott R. Woodward
• , Ken Khong Eng
• ,Vincent Macaulay
• , Martin Carr
• , Pedro Soares
• , Luísa Pereira
• & Martin B. Richards

• Nature Communications 4, Article number: 2543 (2013)
• doi:10.1038/ncomms3543
• Download Citation
• • Anthropology
  • Population genetics

Received:
11 July 2013
Accepted:
04 September 2013
Published online:
08 October 2013"

A substantial prehistoric European ancestry amongst Ashkenazi maternal lineages : Nature Communications

It is fine for anyone to self identify as any ethnic group. But, one can't use that self-identification to claim land inhabited by native people and dispossess those native people, people whose ancestors had lived on the land for thousands of years. And, whose DNA/ancestry is close to 100% from the area.

Fact is, the Zionists were Europeans with Middle East ancestry equivalent to other Europeans that were Christians.

So... then you're presuming Egyptian, Syrian and Lebanese invaders are "native people" relative to the geographic area of Pal'istan?

It appears the dispossession of those you claim were dispossessed were dispossessed by dispossessors from foreign Islamic lands.

No, the Muslims and Christians of Palestine are the native people of Palestine. The Egyptians, Syrians and Lebanese are the native people of Egypt, Syria and Lebanon, respectively. It isn't that difficult to understand.

And those thieving Jewish Zionists built their wailing wall around the Al Aqsa Mosque when all those native Palestinian mosques & Christian churches came to be.