July 4th, 1776 and the Fear of Freedom

[georgephillip]

If you find yourself wondering why the Land of the Free has more prison inmates in 2014 that any other country on the planet, and that a staggering disproportion of today's inmates are the descendants of slaves, Dr Gerald Horne might help you understand why:

"GERALD HORNE: We should understand that July 4th, 1776, in many ways, represents a counterrevolution.

"That is to say that what helped to prompt July 4th, 1776, was the perception amongst European settlers on the North American mainland that London was moving rapidly towards abolition.

"This perception was prompted by Somerset’s case, a case decided in London in June 1772 which seemed to suggest that abolition, which not only was going to be ratified in London itself, was going to cross the Atlantic and basically sweep through the mainland, thereby jeopardizing numerous fortunes, not only based upon slavery, but the slave trade.

"That’s the short answer."

"Counter-Revolution of 1776": Was U.S. Independence War a Conservative Revolt in Favor of Slavery? | Democracy Now!

The long answer extends to Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya and beyond.
America was built on genocide and slavery, and until we shake that PTSD (post tramatic slave syndrome) we're destined to live in Fear.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

I'm more alarmed by the masses outside of jail that are completely dependent upon govt. Dependence day.

 

[Peach]

Adams NEVER owned slaves, Washington deplored slavery, as did Jefferson. Both were dependant upon the scourge however. Both Washington and Jefferson thought slavery would "die out". They were incorrect, the arguments around the Declaration turned into fistfights when the drafting of the Constitution began in 1787. Adams wanted, in 1776, a definite year & date to end slavery, but.........the date to stop importation was set for 1808. As for Washington:

Washington was the only major planter among the seven Founding Fathers to emancipate his slaves. His will provided for freeing his slaves upon the death of his widow Martha Washington, but she emancipated them about 12 months after his death. At various times in his life, Washington privately expressed strong support for the gradual abolition of slavery.

Jefferson:

In 1807, he signed a bill prohibiting the US from participating in the international slave trade.[8]

Jefferson allowed two of Sally Hemings' children to "escape" rather than legally freeing them; the other two were freed through his will after his death. The Sally Hemings children were the only family to gain freedom from Monticello.[13] In his will, he freed three other male slaves, all older men who had worked for him for decades. After his death, his daughter Martha Randolph gave Sally Hemings and Wormley Hughes "their time," an informal freedom.[13] In 1827 the remaining 130 slaves at Monticello were sold to pay the debts of Jefferson's estate.[14][15][16]

Jefferson despised the institution of slavery, but loved his plantation more. Even the best of humans are imperfect.

 

[georgephillip]

I'm more alarmed by the masses outside of jail that are completely dependent upon govt. Dependence day.

Too many poor people or too few jobs?

 

[whitehall]

If you find yourself wondering why the Land of the Free has more prison inmates in 2014 that any other country on the planet, and that a staggering disproportion of today's inmates are the descendants of slaves, Dr Gerald Horne might help you understand why:

"GERALD HORNE: We should understand that July 4th, 1776, in many ways, represents a counterrevolution.

"That is to say that what helped to prompt July 4th, 1776, was the perception amongst European settlers on the North American mainland that London was moving rapidly towards abolition.

"This perception was prompted by Somerset’s case, a case decided in London in June 1772 which seemed to suggest that abolition, which not only was going to be ratified in London itself, was going to cross the Atlantic and basically sweep through the mainland, thereby jeopardizing numerous fortunes, not only based upon slavery, but the slave trade.

"That’s the short answer."

"Counter-Revolution of 1776": Was U.S. Independence War a Conservative Revolt in Favor of Slavery? | Democracy Now!

The long answer extends to Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya and beyond.
America was built on genocide and slavery, and until we shake that PTSD (post tramatic slave syndrome) we're destined to live in Fear.

Legal incarceration and due process is part of the freedoms we enjoy. When the government decides to execute US citizens by drone without due process it's a sign of tyranny. When democrats promote the idea that Black people are unable to function in society and even obtain something as basic as a photo I.D. it's a sign of the new plantation mentality inherent in the socialist democrat party.

 

[Peach]

I'm more alarmed by the masses outside of jail that are completely dependent upon govt. Dependence day.

Too many poor people or too few jobs?

Costs and casualties in an acquistive society, why sweat welfare, it goes into the US economy, unlike a significant amount of Defense spending. Welfare is cyclical, yes, but is a big issue with many who take "subsidized" benefits for granted. Roads, bridges, public buildings, all use tax monies. And almost all pay taxes, SALES, license, user fees, all come to mind.

 

[georgephillip]

Adams NEVER owned slaves, Washington deplored slavery, as did Jefferson. Both were dependant upon the scourge however. Both Washington and Jefferson thought slavery would "die out". They were incorrect, the arguments around the Declaration turned into fistfights when the drafting of the Constitution began in 1787. Adams wanted, in 1776, a definite year & date to end slavery, but.........the date to stop importation was set for 1808. As for Washington:

Washington was the only major planter among the seven Founding Fathers to emancipate his slaves. His will provided for freeing his slaves upon the death of his widow Martha Washington, but she emancipated them about 12 months after his death. At various times in his life, Washington privately expressed strong support for the gradual abolition of slavery.

Jefferson:

In 1807, he signed a bill prohibiting the US from participating in the international slave trade.[8]

Jefferson allowed two of Sally Hemings' children to "escape" rather than legally freeing them; the other two were freed through his will after his death. The Sally Hemings children were the only family to gain freedom from Monticello.[13] In his will, he freed three other male slaves, all older men who had worked for him for decades. After his death, his daughter Martha Randolph gave Sally Hemings and Wormley Hughes "their time," an informal freedom.[13] In 1827 the remaining 130 slaves at Monticello were sold to pay the debts of Jefferson's estate.[14][15][16]

Jefferson despised the institution of slavery, but loved his plantation more. Even the best of humans are imperfect.

Wouldn't you say those who love their personal property more than humanity pose a threat to the latter? Jefferson and Washington depended upon slavery to maintain their lifestyles, and when London and Spain were arming blacks in what is today Florida and unleashing them on the colonies, this created a problem for the founders since they were busy enslaving and shackling every African in sight. Finally, it wasn't necessary to own or sell slaves to support the institution of slavery, since slave mortgages made up a significant percentage of bond markets on both sides of the Atlantic.

 

[XPostFacto]

I'm more alarmed by the masses outside of jail that are completely dependent upon govt. Dependence day.

Too many poor people or too few jobs?

I bet they all supported Obama for re-election, too.

 

[georgephillip]

If you find yourself wondering why the Land of the Free has more prison inmates in 2014 that any other country on the planet, and that a staggering disproportion of today's inmates are the descendants of slaves, Dr Gerald Horne might help you understand why:

"GERALD HORNE: We should understand that July 4th, 1776, in many ways, represents a counterrevolution.

"That is to say that what helped to prompt July 4th, 1776, was the perception amongst European settlers on the North American mainland that London was moving rapidly towards abolition.

"This perception was prompted by Somerset’s case, a case decided in London in June 1772 which seemed to suggest that abolition, which not only was going to be ratified in London itself, was going to cross the Atlantic and basically sweep through the mainland, thereby jeopardizing numerous fortunes, not only based upon slavery, but the slave trade.

"That’s the short answer."

"Counter-Revolution of 1776": Was U.S. Independence War a Conservative Revolt in Favor of Slavery? | Democracy Now!

The long answer extends to Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya and beyond.
America was built on genocide and slavery, and until we shake that PTSD (post tramatic slave syndrome) we're destined to live in Fear.

Legal incarceration and due process is part of the freedoms we enjoy. When the government decides to execute US citizens by drone without due process it's a sign of tyranny. When democrats promote the idea that Black people are unable to function in society and even obtain something as basic as a photo I.D. it's a sign of the new plantation mentality inherent in the socialist democrat party.

What accounts for the spike in prison population since 1970, too many "Socialists" in government or "Free" Trade Capitalism?

 

[OriginalShroom]

If you find yourself wondering why the Land of the Free has more prison inmates in 2014 that any other country on the planet, and that a staggering disproportion of today's inmates are the descendants of slaves, Dr Gerald Horne might help you understand why:

"GERALD HORNE: We should understand that July 4th, 1776, in many ways, represents a counterrevolution.

"That is to say that what helped to prompt July 4th, 1776, was the perception amongst European settlers on the North American mainland that London was moving rapidly towards abolition.

"This perception was prompted by Somerset’s case, a case decided in London in June 1772 which seemed to suggest that abolition, which not only was going to be ratified in London itself, was going to cross the Atlantic and basically sweep through the mainland, thereby jeopardizing numerous fortunes, not only based upon slavery, but the slave trade.

"That’s the short answer."

"Counter-Revolution of 1776": Was U.S. Independence War a Conservative Revolt in Favor of Slavery? | Democracy Now!

The long answer extends to Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya and beyond.
America was built on genocide and slavery, and until we shake that PTSD (post tramatic slave syndrome) we're destined to live in Fear.

The reason a larger percentage of Blacks are in jail is because a larger percentage of Blacks are caught committing crimes.

It didn't used to be that way.. Only since the Leftists in the Country convinced so many that living off of the Government teat was better than working and staying together as families was.

 

[georgephillip]

I'm more alarmed by the masses outside of jail that are completely dependent upon govt. Dependence day.

Too many poor people or too few jobs?

I bet they all supported Obama for re-election, too.

Why would that matter as much as the richest 1% paying for his election campaign and retirement?

 

[M14 Shooter]

If you find yourself wondering why the Land of the Free has more prison inmates in 2014 that any other country on the planet, and that a staggering disproportion of today's inmates are the descendants of slaves....

If you have to wonder why this is, you apparently cannot see the obvious:
Colored people commit a disporoportionate number of crimes in the US.


If you believe this traces back to slavery, you are far too silly to be taken seriously.

 

[KNB]

If you find yourself wondering why the Land of the Free has more prison inmates in 2014 that any other country on the planet, and that a staggering disproportion of today's inmates are the descendants of slaves....

If you have to wonder why this is, you apparently cannot see the obvious:
Colored people commit a disporoportionate number of crimes in the US.


If you believe this traces back to slavery, you are far too silly to be taken seriously.

And if you think that it's because they're black then you need to hang yourself.

 

[Dot Com]

We jail more of our citizenry than communist China

 

[georgephillip]

We jail more of our citizenry than communist China

Communist and Capitalist China, and I wonder if it's coincidental that US incarceration rates begin rising at the same time outsourcing of US jobs did? It isn't at all coincidental that US prisons begin to fill with non-whites at the same time entire minority populations were becoming politically active due to the "excess of democracy" seem during the 1960s and early '70s.

 

[Peach]

Adams NEVER owned slaves, Washington deplored slavery, as did Jefferson. Both were dependant upon the scourge however. Both Washington and Jefferson thought slavery would "die out". They were incorrect, the arguments around the Declaration turned into fistfights when the drafting of the Constitution began in 1787. Adams wanted, in 1776, a definite year & date to end slavery, but.........the date to stop importation was set for 1808. As for Washington:

Washington was the only major planter among the seven Founding Fathers to emancipate his slaves. His will provided for freeing his slaves upon the death of his widow Martha Washington, but she emancipated them about 12 months after his death. At various times in his life, Washington privately expressed strong support for the gradual abolition of slavery.

Jefferson:

In 1807, he signed a bill prohibiting the US from participating in the international slave trade.[8]

Jefferson allowed two of Sally Hemings' children to "escape" rather than legally freeing them; the other two were freed through his will after his death. The Sally Hemings children were the only family to gain freedom from Monticello.[13] In his will, he freed three other male slaves, all older men who had worked for him for decades. After his death, his daughter Martha Randolph gave Sally Hemings and Wormley Hughes "their time," an informal freedom.[13] In 1827 the remaining 130 slaves at Monticello were sold to pay the debts of Jefferson's estate.[14][15][16]

Jefferson despised the institution of slavery, but loved his plantation more. Even the best of humans are imperfect.

Wouldn't you say those who love their personal property more than humanity pose a threat to the latter? Jefferson and Washington depended upon slavery to maintain their lifestyles, and when London and Spain were arming blacks in what is today Florida and unleashing them on the colonies, this created a problem for the founders since they were busy enslaving and shackling every African in sight. Finally, it wasn't necessary to own or sell slaves to support the institution of slavery, since slave mortgages made up a significant percentage of bond markets on both sides of the Atlantic.

Yes, that is why the quote from Douglass is applicable, slave, owner, and society, are all in chains when slavery is allowed.

 

[Theowl32]

Here we go again with liberals reminding us of slavery that ended in 1865. Then again there is slavery today, not that any liberal would care.

Cause they don't. Especially hypocrites like georgephilip.

Yeah, those sweat shops in Vietnam or China etc with deplorable working conditions.

I wonder if Tiger Woods or any those types would ever turn down the millions in endorsements they make off of the backs of those in those factories.

Pretty different when the shoe is on the other foot isn't it? Ignorance certainly is bliss. Now watch folks how the liberals will deny there are deplorable working conditions or that those conditions do not come close to the working conditions of slavery in this country.

Too bad liberals are so uneducated about how the transatlantic slave trade started. I think they think blacks were never ever ever slave owners, and the only slave owners through out history were all white.

I could swear they think that. You ever see any of them discuss any black slave owners or discuss the facts in regards to how the transatlantic slave trade started?

I think they think whites showed up the shores of west Africa with nets and of course.......GUNS!!!!!!!

Honestly, I think they are that stupid and that simplistic. If not, then why don't they ever discuss the truth about slavery then, and how slavery exists now and how we are all living in the same ignorance this country lived in prior to 1865?


Oh and on another sobering note for starry eyed hypocritical liberals who think they just know it all....

 

[georgephillip]

If you find yourself wondering why the Land of the Free has more prison inmates in 2014 that any other country on the planet, and that a staggering disproportion of today's inmates are the descendants of slaves, Dr Gerald Horne might help you understand why:

"GERALD HORNE: We should understand that July 4th, 1776, in many ways, represents a counterrevolution.

"That is to say that what helped to prompt July 4th, 1776, was the perception amongst European settlers on the North American mainland that London was moving rapidly towards abolition.

"This perception was prompted by Somerset’s case, a case decided in London in June 1772 which seemed to suggest that abolition, which not only was going to be ratified in London itself, was going to cross the Atlantic and basically sweep through the mainland, thereby jeopardizing numerous fortunes, not only based upon slavery, but the slave trade.

"That’s the short answer."

"Counter-Revolution of 1776": Was U.S. Independence War a Conservative Revolt in Favor of Slavery? | Democracy Now!

The long answer extends to Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya and beyond.
America was built on genocide and slavery, and until we shake that PTSD (post tramatic slave syndrome) we're destined to live in Fear.

The reason a larger percentage of Blacks are in jail is because a larger percentage of Blacks are caught committing crimes.

It didn't used to be that way.. Only since the Leftists in the Country convinced so many that living off of the Government teat was better than working and staying together as families was.

It wasn't leftist who initiated and supported the outsourcing of Black middle class jobs in the 70s which turned cities like Newark into drug marts and prostitution emporiums. It was public policy changes stemming from the war on drugs which changed prison sentencing and duration of time served that yielded today's high rates of confinement for nonviolent offenders, all for the purpose of eliminating hundreds of thousands of likely progressive voters from the polling booth.

 

[Theowl32]

Oh, and if you want to prevent your minds from being utterly corrupted, and your digestive system to work well, I would suggest you put an utter dipshit like georgephilip on ignore like I did.

Let me know when a liberal acknowledges the facts or tries to refute the facts I stated.

I will now be expecting irrelevant fallacies and nonstop hyperbole attacks now that I have kicked square in the nuts.

Such is the way.....every day here.

 

[kaz]

America was built on genocide and slavery, and until we shake that PTSD (post tramatic slave syndrome) we're destined to live in Fear.[/B]

Damn it, I wouldn't rob this liquor store, but my great-great-great-great grandfather was a slave. I hear ya man, what else is someone to do when their great-great-great-great grandfather was a slave? It's inevitable, not even their fault really. We should apologize and pay them off.

Here's one suggestion to get past the past, stop obsessing on the past and move forward...