Jury convicts DeLay in money-laundering case

[sangha]

Of course non-citizens are subject to the Constitution when in custody of American law enforcement or military. Nothing in the Constitution permits such a weird interpretation that they are somehow exempt from its obligations and protections.

Is there anything in the constitution that says a US citizen providing they are old enough cannot vote while in prison?

Art I Sec 4

 

[Meister]

Merged threads

 

[JBeukema]

Of course non-citizens are subject to the Constitution when in custody of American law enforcement or military. Nothing in the Constitution permits such a weird interpretation that they are somehow exempt from its obligations and protections.

Is there anything in the constitution that says a US citizen providing they are old enough cannot vote while in prison?

Art I Sec 4

The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Place of Chusing Senators.
The Congress shall assemble at least once in every Year, and such Meeting shall (be on the first Monday in December,) (The preceding words in parentheses were superseded by the 20th Amendment, section 2.) unless they shall by Law appoint a different Day.




Doesn't say prisoners can't vote

 

[goldcatt]

I think I understand what you're getting at here with "protect with impartiality". You're basically describing due process, where everybody is guaranteed treatment under the same procedures, rules and processes regardless of station, and equal protection of the laws for all. If I'm right, then we basically agree as to that part.

Government is not a living breathing thing with its own memory though, it is an institution made up of individual people working within a legal construct. And if the people in government have forgotten what their role should be they can be easily replaced. The government itself is a tool, it can be used for good or bad depending on how the individuals running it choose to use it.

That is why we were given the tool of Amendment, to repair and fine tune, to correct course and bearing.

GoldCatt, There are People on this Site not able to comprehend what is written, as it is written.

That is why we were given the tool of Amendment, to repair and fine tune, to correct course and bearing.

Where does this statement limit the Power of Amendment? The only limit on the Power of Amendment is the lack of a 75% Majority in passing it. To suggest that repairing, fine tuning, or correcting course or bearing, is limited to what is already written in The Constitution, and would not allow for New Construction, is absurd. The argument is based on a false premise, and it's author beyond reason.

I realize this. And you realize this. But apparently there are people whose grasp on the obvious is tenuous at best.

 

[sangha]

Is there anything in the constitution that says a US citizen providing they are old enough cannot vote while in prison?

Art I Sec 4

The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Place of Chusing Senators.
The Congress shall assemble at least once in every Year, and such Meeting shall (be on the first Monday in December,) (The preceding words in parentheses were superseded by the 20th Amendment, section 2.) unless they shall by Law appoint a different Day.




Doesn't say prisoners can't vote

It says Congress " may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations"

In wingnut world, that doesn't mean they can make or alter such regulations

 

[sangha]

That is why we were given the tool of Amendment, to repair and fine tune, to correct course and bearing.

GoldCatt, There are People on this Site not able to comprehend what is written, as it is written.

That is why we were given the tool of Amendment, to repair and fine tune, to correct course and bearing.

Where does this statement limit the Power of Amendment? The only limit on the Power of Amendment is the lack of a 75% Majority in passing it. To suggest that repairing, fine tuning, or correcting course or bearing, is limited to what is already written in The Constitution, and would not allow for New Construction, is absurd. The argument is based on a false premise, and it's author beyond reason.

I realize this. And you realize this. But apparently there are people whose grasp on the obvious is tenuous at best.

This wingnuts says there are limits on the amendment process, but he realizes there is no limit on the amendment process

 

[taichiliberal]

No.

Care to elaborate?

Citizens United was not retroactive, nor does it allow corporate cash to be given directly to candidates' campaigns.

It also doesn't address the act of laundering money to avoid what was at the time and may well still be a criminal transfer of corporate funds directly to TX Legislative candidates' campaigns. Remember, Delay wasn't convicted of taking illegal contributions, but of participating in a conspiracy to cover up the link between the source of those contributions and their eventual recipients.

Got it....thanks.

 

[daveman]

You guess wrong.

I'm going to not fuck off, and keep on posting about how you're so dumb, you don't realize the constitution protects the rights of non-citizens

Yay. More lectures by self-important assholes. Just what we needed.

"WE"?

"We" don't need no lectures. YOU do.

No, I won't drink your Kool-Ade.

 

[JakeStarkey]

You have already consumed the far rightloon propaganda, daveman, and there is no help or hope for the likes of you.

 

[daveman]

You have already consumed the far rightloon propaganda, daveman, and there is no help or hope for the likes of you.

 

[JakeStarkey]

That's what you are doing, daveman: cheerleading for your team.

 

[Truthmatters]

Austin news, sports, weather, Longhorns, business | Statesman.com

By Mike Ward and Laylan Copelin | Wednesday, November 24, 2010, 01:27 PM

Update: 5 p.m.:
Tom DeLay, the former U.S. House majority leader whose name became synonymous with the Republicans’ controversial rise to power in the Texas House, was found guilty today of laundering money in connection with the 2002 elections.

Jurors sent a note on yellow legal paper that a verdict had been reached to the judge at 4:46 p.m. They had deliberated since Monday afternoon.

DeLay was charged with money laundering and conspiracy to commit money. He faces a possible sentence of 5-99 years in prison and a maximum $10,000 fine on the money laundering charge, and 2-20 years in prison and a possible $10,000 fine on the conspiracy charge.

Prosecutors earlier said they believe the DeLay case is the first such criminal charge ever filed over Texas’ century-old prohibition on corporate contributions in state political races.
Delay, a Republican who was nicknamed “The Hammer” because of his heavy-handed style, was accused of conspiring to funnel $190,000 of corporate money through the Republican National Committee, which sent $190,000 in campaign donations to seven GOP candidates for the Texas House.

State law prohibits corporations from giving donations to candidates directly or indirectly.

Im glad this pos is going to prison.

 

[editec]

Austin news, sports, weather, Longhorns, business | Statesman.com

By Mike Ward and Laylan Copelin | Wednesday, November 24, 2010, 01:27 PM

Update: 5 p.m.:
Tom DeLay, the former U.S. House majority leader whose name became synonymous with the Republicans’ controversial rise to power in the Texas House, was found guilty today of laundering money in connection with the 2002 elections.

Jurors sent a note on yellow legal paper that a verdict had been reached to the judge at 4:46 p.m. They had deliberated since Monday afternoon.

DeLay was charged with money laundering and conspiracy to commit money. He faces a possible sentence of 5-99 years in prison and a maximum $10,000 fine on the money laundering charge, and 2-20 years in prison and a possible $10,000 fine on the conspiracy charge.

Prosecutors earlier said they believe the DeLay case is the first such criminal charge ever filed over Texas’ century-old prohibition on corporate contributions in state political races.
Delay, a Republican who was nicknamed “The Hammer” because of his heavy-handed style, was accused of conspiring to funnel $190,000 of corporate money through the Republican National Committee, which sent $190,000 in campaign donations to seven GOP candidates for the Texas House.

State law prohibits corporations from giving donations to candidates directly or indirectly.

Im glad this pos is going to prison.

Me, too...if that happens.

There's many a fail
between
sentence and jail.​

 

[daveman]

That's what you are doing, daveman: cheerleading for your team.

At least I'm not pretending I'm on a different team, Fake.

 

[Truthmatters]

Dave one of your past heros is going to fucking prison for his actions as a republican leader.

You must be so very proud

 

[Wry Catcher]

That's what you are doing, daveman: cheerleading for your team.

daveman was tossed out of high school for some rather strange sexual pecadillos which brought him before the juvenile court, the judge took pity on davechild - age 16, still under 5 feet tall, of slight build and slighter intellect. The kindly juvenile court judge offered the davechild and his public defender a choice - transfer to the Dept. of Mental Health for evaluation & treatment or enlistment in the armed forces.
Since the Marines and Army, Navy and Coast Guard rejected the woeful davechild the public defender - as most public defenders do - made a deal with the Air Force recruiter (who was later found to have sexual propensities much more serious than the minor behaviors of davechild, one of which is reportedly related to smelling the gym lockers of female students, but I digress) and soon davechild had a career. USAF for 20 years, healthcare for life and the status of spending his entire career (after three iterations of boot camp) as an E-2.
So forgive daveman's cheerleading, he has never been included in anything. 20 years eating alone from the roach coach has had an effect. He wants to belong, and the echo chamber gives him the feeling of belonging. Let him cheer.

 

[JakeStarkey]

daveman libre!

 

[daveman]

Dave one of your past heros is going to fucking prison for his actions as a republican leader.

You must be so very proud

What makes you think (ha!) he's my hero?

Oh, yes. Your inability to see beyond your irrational hatred of conservatives.

News flash: People who break the law should be punished. I don't add a caveat like so many people do : "...unless he's on my side."

 

[Truthmatters]

we told you he was dirty and you didnt believe it I bet.

 

[daveman]

That's what you are doing, daveman: cheerleading for your team.

daveman was tossed out of high school for some rather strange sexual pecadillos which brought him before the juvenile court, the judge took pity on davechild - age 16, still under 5 feet tall, of slight build and slighter intellect. The kindly juvenile court judge offered the davechild and his public defender a choice - transfer to the Dept. of Mental Health for evaluation & treatment or enlistment in the armed forces.
Since the Marines and Army, Navy and Coast Guard rejected the woeful davechild the public defender - as most public defenders do - made a deal with the Air Force recruiter (who was later found to have sexual propensities much more serious than the minor behaviors of davechild, one of which is reportedly related to smelling the gym lockers of female students, but I digress) and soon davechild had a career. USAF for 20 years, healthcare for life and the status of spending his entire career (after three iterations of boot camp) as an E-2.
So forgive daveman's cheerleading, he has never been included in anything. 20 years eating alone from the roach coach has had an effect. He wants to belong, and the echo chamber gives him the feeling of belonging. Let him cheer.

You really suck at that.

Oh, and no branch of the service will let you retire as an E-2. You reveal your ignorance. Of course, leftists discussing the military is like ugly virgin prudes discussing sex: No experience, no chance of getting any, and no interest in getting any.

And you think USMB is an echo chamber? Do you even know what it means?

Run along back to DU, kid. You won't be exposed to any scary dangerous unapproved conservative ideas there.