Last spring, peace talks in Turkey appeared promising, but UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson encouraged Ukraine to stay in the fight for the long haul

[tyroneweaver]

The West's Disastrous Decision to Reject Peace in Ukraine - Fair Observer

When Ukraine had the upper hand after the 2022 Kharkiv and Kherson offensives, Western leaders took it as a sign not to negotiate and instead press for victory.

www.fairobserver.com

Just three days after this Western intervention in Ukraine, Russian President Vladimir Putin declared that talks were at “a dead end,” and Israeli Prime Minister Naftali Bennett, has since said that the US and UK “blocked” negotiations.

General Milley compared the situation to the First World War, explaining that leaders on all sides understood by Christmas 1914 that that war was not winnable, yet they fought on for another four years, multiplying the million lives lost in 1914 into 20 million by 1918, destroying five empires and setting the stage for the rise of fascism and the Second World War.

 

[IM2]

Putin can end the war any time he wants. This is not about Zelensky.

 

[tyroneweaver]

Putin can end the war any time he wants. This is not about Zelensky.

Well show us your leadership skills and take putin out

 

[GLASNOST]

Last spring, peace talks in Turkey appeared promising, but UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson encouraged Ukraine to stay in the fight for the long haul​

Let's see what Boris has to say about the US-Ukraine resources deal. He probably can't hold his tea cup steady.

 

[shockedcanadian]

Everyone must stand and be counted when they leave this earth. Even those who don't believe in G-d or a higher power.

 

[multivita-man]

The West's Disastrous Decision to Reject Peace in Ukraine - Fair Observer

When Ukraine had the upper hand after the 2022 Kharkiv and Kherson offensives, Western leaders took it as a sign not to negotiate and instead press for victory.

www.fairobserver.com

Just three days after this Western intervention in Ukraine, Russian President Vladimir Putin declared that talks were at “a dead end,” and Israeli Prime Minister Naftali Bennett, has since said that the US and UK “blocked” negotiations.

General Milley compared the situation to the First World War, explaining that leaders on all sides understood by Christmas 1914 that that war was not winnable, yet they fought on for another four years, multiplying the million lives lost in 1914 into 20 million by 1918, destroying five empires and setting the stage for the rise of fascism and the Second World War.

I don't know if this particular story is true, but I will say it does appear that the US position on Ukraine under Biden was to let Russia wear itself out. I think they believed that if they supported Ukraine with light weapons and sanctions, Russia's economy and industrial capacity would eventually implode, Putin would recognize this, and would be forced to make a humiliating exit from Ukraine's territory. That was a terrible miscalculation on his part. Moreover, the prolonged war also very likely tanked any chance at reelection that either he or Kamala Harris had, owing to higher energy prices.

 

[tyroneweaver]

Everyone must stand and be counted when they leave this earth. Even those who don't believe in G-d or a higher power.

As long as it ain't the great white throne judgement

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Good look on Boaris.

 

[IM2]

I don't know if this particular story is true, but I will say it does appear that the US position on Ukraine under Biden was to let Russia wear itself out. I think they believed that if they supported Ukraine with light weapons and sanctions, Russia's economy and industrial capacity would eventually implode, Putin would recognize this, and would be forced to make a humiliating exit from Ukraine's territory. That was a terrible miscalculation on his part. Moreover, the prolonged war also very likely tanked any chance at reelection that either he or Kamala Harris had, owing to higher energy prices.

Since the US was not the only country sending Ukraine weapons, the realization that the strategy was a NATO strategy made by leaders of several countries, not just Biden, escaped you.

 

[multivita-man]

Since the US was not the only country sending Ukraine weapons, the realization that the strategy was a NATO strategy made by leaders of several countries, not just Biden, escaped you.

If you believe that NATO is what it is today without the US leadership calling the shots, I have beachfront property in Kansas to sell you. The strategy in Ukraine was the US's strategy, Biden's to be specific. I am horrified by what I saw yesterday presumably you and many others were, but Biden should have been more practical and realistic in what Ukraine could achieve and should have looked for an off-ramp, some sort of detente with Russia, and a pivot toward Asia. But to be honest, we should have been a lot more careful in how we approached Eastern Europe in the first place.

 

[GLASNOST]

If you believe that NATO is what it is today without the US leadership calling the shots, I have beachfront property in Kansas to sell you. .....

If you succeed tell him that I have a complete set of square tires that are guaranteed to make his ricer go 37% faster.

 

[IM2]

If you believe that NATO is what it is today without the US leadership calling the shots, I have beachfront property in Kansas to sell you. The strategy in Ukraine was the US's strategy, Biden's to be specific. I am horrified by what I saw yesterday presumably you and many others were, but Biden should have been more practical and realistic in what Ukraine could achieve and should have looked for an off-ramp, some sort of detente with Russia, and a pivot toward Asia. But to be honest, we should have been a lot more careful in how we approached Eastern Europe in the first place.

I live in Kansas. And there are beaches at the lakes. I don't care whose strategy it was, the fact is that Putin is the problem, not the strategy, not NATO, not Zelensky, Putin. Putin had 3 years to end this, but he waited, hoping we would reelect this idiot, who would give him what he wanted.

 

[ThirdTerm]

Boris still cannot forgive Russia that defeated his ancestors in the Russo-Turkish War, which led to the collapse of the Ottoman Empire with the independence of Ottoman-controlled European nations. Turkish statesman Ali Kemal is the great-grandfather of former British prime minister Boris Johnson and his siblings.

The Russian-led coalition won the war, pushing the Ottomans back all the way to the gates of Constantinople, leading to the intervention of the Western European great powers. As a result, Russia succeeded in claiming provinces in the Caucasus, namely Kars and Batum, and also annexed the Budjak region. The principalities of Romania, Serbia, and Montenegro, each of which had had de facto sovereignty for some years, formally proclaimed independence from the Ottoman Empire. After almost five centuries of Ottoman domination (1396–1878), Bulgaria emerged as an autonomous state with support and military intervention from Russia.

Ali Kemal - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[multivita-man]

I live in Kansas. And there are beaches at the lakes.

I don't care whose strategy it was, the fact is that Putin is the problem, not the strategy, not NATO, not Zelensky, Putin. Putin had 3 years to end this, but he waited, hoping we would reelect this idiot, who would give him what he wanted.

I don't disagree that Putin is a sonofabitch, but the roots of the conflict are complicated and go back decades, and it was the US that used NATO (among other things) to expand its influence into the Russian sphere of influence. If you want to say that realpolitik shouldn't matter, consider what would happen if China started signing security agreements in Mexico and the Americas - we wouldn't tolerate that shit for a nanosecond.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Interesting but unimportant, for it was Russia who took countries they should never have entered.

Russia needs to stay behind the Dnieper and out of Western Europe, period.

If they take their energy from US and Canada, we all win, and Russia collapses.

 

[multivita-man]

Interesting but unimportant, for it was Russia who took countries they should never have entered.

Russia needs to stay behind the Dnieper and out of Western Europe, period.

If they take their energy from US and Canada, we all win, and Russia collapses.

Ukraine is not Western Europe.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

It is the barrier to western Europe, the gate holder to the West.
Russia, stay away.

 

[multivita-man]

It is the barrier to western Europe, the gate holder to the West.
Russia, stay away.

Ukraine has never been Western. Ever. It's corrupt as fuck. Do we really want another Poland or Hungary or Turkey joining "the West"?

See, this is what happens when NATO becomes a tool for US expansion. We forget what "The West" really is, what it means. And we end up stepping on the dicks of powers that have historically influenced other regions.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Ukraine has never been Western. Ever. It's corrupt as fuck. Do we really want another Poland or Hungary or Turkey joining "the West"?

See, this is what happens when NATO becomes a tool for US expansion. We forget what "The West" really is, what it means. And we end up stepping on the dicks of powers that have historically influenced other regions.

This goofball does not understand that Western Europe wants Ukraine to fulfill that roll.

They are now cut loose from the US.

Watch how Ukraine and the EuroUnion come together solidly.

 

[multivita-man]

This goofball does not understand that Western Europe wants Ukraine to fulfill that roll.

Fulfill what role? Western Europe has an epic energy crisis, a massive welfare state, and barely a military. Yes, they make some cool weapons, but they don't have a real military. They're not in a position to do shit. I'm not saying that to rub it in their faces, but pointing out reality.

They are now cut loose from the US.

Watch how Ukraine and the EuroUnion come together solidly.

You're not being realistic here.