Left Now Engaged in Criminal Activity to Silence Rush

[Sweet Willy]

I found it interesting, and I think Immanuel will too, that in this conversation, we have someone who has openly advocated throwing his shame away because someone else did.

PhoenixOps is trying to shame us for using the same standards as they do. Sorry, but I'll wait for them to feel shame for using those tactics first. I'm done tolerating the notion that I should be ashamed while they continue to use the same tactics over and over again.

I've picked up that you're a vicious one when you take a position and not likely to even soften on a statement in public. And I apologize up front for bringing your statement to task. However, the idea that you will relinquish your shame because someone else has shed theirs is how we end up with no integrity at all left in the equation. Essentially, they win, you lose. The entire premise is for them to expose you as being just as rude as they are. And I suppose you have proven them right. You can't make a positive impact with this sort of logic. My God man, pull yourself together and stand up.

 

[Immanuel]

I found it interesting, and I think Immanuel will too, that in this conversation, we have someone who has openly advocated throwing his shame away because someone else did.

PhoenixOps is trying to shame us for using the same standards as they do. Sorry, but I'll wait for them to feel shame for using those tactics first. I'm done tolerating the notion that I should be ashamed while they continue to use the same tactics over and over again.

I've picked up that you're a vicious one when you take a position and not likely to even soften on a statement in public. And I apologize up front for bringing your statement to task. However, the idea that you will relinquish your shame because someone else has shed theirs is how we end up with no integrity at all left in the equation. Essentially, they win, you lose. The entire premise is for them to expose you as being just as rude as they are. And I suppose you have proven them right. You can't make a positive impact with this sort of logic. My God man, pull yourself together and stand up.

I'd say you are right, that dropping to their level does nothing for your cause. You surely are not going to get them to change their ways by behaving in the same poor manner.

However, he is right. Some on the left use those very tactics. Of course, the right is not excluded either and it is not just because the other side did it first. It's human nature.

Immie

 

[Sweet Willy]

I found it interesting, and I think Immanuel will too, that in this conversation, we have someone who has openly advocated throwing his shame away because someone else did.

PhoenixOps is trying to shame us for using the same standards as they do. Sorry, but I'll wait for them to feel shame for using those tactics first. I'm done tolerating the notion that I should be ashamed while they continue to use the same tactics over and over again.

I've picked up that you're a vicious one when you take a position and not likely to even soften on a statement in public. And I apologize up front for bringing your statement to task. However, the idea that you will relinquish your shame because someone else has shed theirs is how we end up with no integrity at all left in the equation. Essentially, they win, you lose. The entire premise is for them to expose you as being just as rude as they are. And I suppose you have proven them right. You can't make a positive impact with this sort of logic. My God man, pull yourself together and stand up.

I'd say you are right, that dropping to their level does nothing for your cause. You surely are not going to get them to change their ways by behaving in the same poor manner.

However, he is right. Some on the left use those very tactics. Of course, the right is not excluded either and it is not just because the other side did it first. It's human nature.

Immie

I agree with you. But continuing to point out that the other kid on the play ground did it first, or continues to do it, does not reclaim your shame. Bend over and pick it up. It's that easy. Are we going to stand here over our dignity, beneath us on the ground and both continue to say "no... you pick yours up first?"

I'm not swearing or ranting or taking a political side here. I don't think decency has a side. You and I Immanuel, just agreed that a good place to start is to reclaim our shame. And this looks like as good a place as any to start.

As far as the issue, it's all protected speech. And if we would all just reclaim a little of our shame, a little of our manners, I know that I for one would be a little less ashamed of standing up for your speech. I stand up for Rush's right to call someone a "slut". I stand up for Mahaer, or what ever his name is. But that doesn't mean it causes me no shame to do so. It does. It is a SHAME that I have to defend that sort of speech to keep my own.

 

[Mustang]

So crazed is the left to silence those who oppose their agenda and dare mock their sacred cows, they have resorted to committing telecommunication crimes to get the word out and silence a private citizen.

Illegal robocalls accuse Republicans over Rush Limbaugh and 'slut' slur - Mail Online - Toby Harnden's blog

The outrage should be towards this tactic, and prosection on those who have undertaken it.

Criminal activity is not protected free speech.

Women of the 99% Robocall Attacks Rush Limbaugh March 8, 2012 - YouTube

My understanding is that this is a pretty common practice. The most famous example of "dirty tricks" robocalls was when SC voters were called right before the 2000 GOP primary to infer that John McCain was the father of an illegitimate black daughter.

The kicker of this whole OP is that it's a story in the British tabloid press which is well known for inaccurate sensationalist stories AND dirty tricks of their own. Don't believe me? Ask Rupert Murdock or his son, James, or any number of his media under investigation for all manner of crimes in England.

 

[Big Fitz]

So crazed is the left to silence those who oppose their agenda and dare mock their sacred cows, they have resorted to committing telecommunication crimes to get the word out and silence a private citizen.

Illegal robocalls accuse Republicans over Rush Limbaugh and 'slut' slur - Mail Online - Toby Harnden's blog

The outrage should be towards this tactic, and prosection on those who have undertaken it.

Criminal activity is not protected free speech.

Women of the 99% Robocall Attacks Rush Limbaugh March 8, 2012 - YouTube

My understanding is that this is a pretty common practice. The most famous example of "dirty tricks" robocalls was when SC voters were called right before the 2000 GOP primary to infer that John McCain was the father of an illegitimate black daughter.

The kicker of this whole OP is that it's a story in the British tabloid press which is well known for inaccurate sensationalist stories AND dirty tricks of their own. Don't believe me? Ask Rupert Murdock or his son, James, or any number of his media under investigation for all manner of crimes in England.

If murder was a common practice, would that make it right?

 

[Big Fitz]

I found it interesting, and I think Immanuel will too, that in this conversation, we have someone who has openly advocated throwing his shame away because someone else did.

PhoenixOps is trying to shame us for using the same standards as they do. Sorry, but I'll wait for them to feel shame for using those tactics first. I'm done tolerating the notion that I should be ashamed while they continue to use the same tactics over and over again.

I've picked up that you're a vicious one when you take a position and not likely to even soften on a statement in public. And I apologize up front for bringing your statement to task. However, the idea that you will relinquish your shame because someone else has shed theirs is how we end up with no integrity at all left in the equation. Essentially, they win, you lose. The entire premise is for them to expose you as being just as rude as they are. And I suppose you have proven them right. You can't make a positive impact with this sort of logic. My God man, pull yourself together and stand up.

You make the mistake that I never have taken the high road or the polite path and just agreed to disagree. I do, frequently with those who have the same attitude and honor. Unfortunately, I have hit the end of my tether with many on this board and other places where they constantly engage in hypocrisy and exhibit no regret or shame for their behavior. Well, I'm sick of it and feel it is time they received the golden rule back. That rule meaning (since it's not automatic people remember it) "Treat others the way you wish to be treated." Many of the people here you see fighting against one another have been doing so for years and often many other boards. You don't know what kind of squabbling has gone on since say 2006 like I have for instance, that's before I was invited here.

To quote Elliot Ness, "I have become what I despise and yet I am convinced I have done right." Is he right? In WW2, we, as a nation adopted the policy of City Busting to destroy enemy morale. We learned this from the acts of the Germans a la WW1 and 2 when they bombed London severely. The fortunate nature for us was we were too far away to receive the return fire, otherwise, who knows? Maybe we would have found another policy. Again, does that make the tactic wrong? Of course, this is rhetorical 'combat' here. But in the same way, we are committing the same 'sins' as the era of the founding fathers. The main difference is, that instead of this being shouted out at the local "King George Pub", church steps and town hall where you could conceivably be beaten or killed for real, you don't have that worry. We all can hide behind user names and keyboards safely away from any real danger of backing up our convictions with our own fists and blood if necessary. Are the passions any less than years gone by? I'm not sure.

 

[Sweet Willy]

"Though one event seem to the righteous and wicked, it is vastly different. Those who glory in any other defence and protection than the Divine power, providence, and promise, will, sooner or later, be ashamed of their glorying. Those who will not leave it to God to take vengeance for them, may expect that he will take vengeance on them. The equity of the Lord's judgments is to be observed, when he not only avenges injuries upon those that did them, but by those against whom they were done. Those who treasure up old hatred, and watch for the opportunity of manifesting it, are treasuring up for themselves wrath against the day of wrath." Ezekial 25: 8 - 17

 

[thereisnospoon]

I had forgotten how this thing works about giving credits and taking credits from the little light meter up there.

Willow, I was only pointing out that this is probably not a criminal offense. The violation, according to the article, is the fact these recordings didn't properly identify themselves. At least not to the satisfaction of the person writing the article. This writer claims that because he doesn't know who "The 99% Womens Group" (or who ever these people are) is, that this violates the regulation that robocalls must identify who is sponsoring the call. It's just really thin to begin with and in addition, I don't see where any kind of charges have been made, much less has anyone been been convicted of anything and even if that were the case, it's not something covered by "criminal" code. We don't generally refer to speeders as criminals. Or any number of civil infractions or misdemeanors. Had the author of this topic said "illegal activity" then I wouldn't have raised a peep. But "criminal" is just misleading. No criminal offense here.

Stop insisting. If an act violates a statute it is a criminal act.
Are you really going to support this kind of nonsense for purely political and partisan reasons?
So if so inclined some obscure group claiming to represent GOP voters sends you and millions of others a robo call denouncing Obama, it that ok with you?

 

[thereisnospoon]

No one has been even formally accused of anything, much less convicted. There is no criminal conduct here that has been even remotely verified. The group may very well have a 501 app pending. We just don't know. Calling this criminal is just inflamatory hyperbole, at the least, premature.

SO it's ok to commit crimes as long as the perp does not get caught?
Remind us of that when you are carjacked and the perp is not caught by the police.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Left Now Engaged in Criminal Activity to Silence Rush

More criminal than sending your maid out with a shoe box full of cash to by street Oxyconton?

More criminal than trying to smuggle hundreds of Viagra pills past customs?

The PigMan is fucking lucky he is STILL not in prison like anybody else would be in Florida with such offenses.

Oh please.....Rush never went ot prison in the first place.
Of course some over zealous and now out of a job prosecutor tried to press a criminal charge.
FAIL.
I think YOU are fucking lucky to not be in prison.

 

[mudwhistle]

Left Now Engaged in Criminal Activity to Silence Rush

More criminal than sending your maid out with a shoe box full of cash to by street Oxyconton?

More criminal than trying to smuggle hundreds of Viagra pills past customs?

The PigMan is fucking lucky he is STILL not in prison like anybody else would be in Florida with such offenses.

STFU Huggy.

Rush paid for any crimes, real or imagined.

That doesn't give the left Carte Blanche to hose him illegally.

 

[Sweet Willy]

I had forgotten how this thing works about giving credits and taking credits from the little light meter up there.

Willow, I was only pointing out that this is probably not a criminal offense. The violation, according to the article, is the fact these recordings didn't properly identify themselves. At least not to the satisfaction of the person writing the article. This writer claims that because he doesn't know who "The 99% Womens Group" (or who ever these people are) is, that this violates the regulation that robocalls must identify who is sponsoring the call. It's just really thin to begin with and in addition, I don't see where any kind of charges have been made, much less has anyone been been convicted of anything and even if that were the case, it's not something covered by "criminal" code. We don't generally refer to speeders as criminals. Or any number of civil infractions or misdemeanors. Had the author of this topic said "illegal activity" then I wouldn't have raised a peep. But "criminal" is just misleading. No criminal offense here.

Stop insisting. If an act violates a statute it is a criminal act.
Are you really going to support this kind of nonsense for purely political and partisan reasons?
So if so inclined some obscure group claiming to represent GOP voters sends you and millions of others a robo call denouncing Obama, it that ok with you?

I'm not particularly partisan to anyone or party and my comments aren't meant to be political. There aren't any charges, much less any conviction and I do believe in innocence until guilt is proven, old fashioned as it may seem. Even then, this is likely a civil offense and not criminal. We have particular designations for "criminal" acts and generally we don't refer to civil violators as criminals.

If a robot called me to denounce anyone, I wouldn't listen long enough to even find out who it was. I tend to hang up on robots, they don't really care one way or the other. As far as anything about President Obama, I don't really like or dislike him. He's been just Ok, far as I'm concerned. I'd prefer to see a better leader, but he hasn't been terrible.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Rush has silenced himself for those who are smart enough not to listen to his hatred for the working class. I have gone over the whole scenario. My daughter is on the pill. Therefore she is a slut in my eyes. I give his opinions about as much thought as I give Bill Maher or whatever his name is. Both are the same. Neither is worth the effort to turn the station to listen to them.

My wife was on the pill after our son was born. So what.
Rush in retrospect made a poor choice that was hurtful, one for which he apologized.
Fluke rejected it. And as we discovered she rejected it for purely political reasons. Fluke reaped financial rewards over this.
Rush was using an absurdity to make a point. He went too far.
You libs make silly excuses when one on your side commit errors in judgement. You explain it away and you expect all to be forgiven.

 

[Sweet Willy]

No one has been even formally accused of anything, much less convicted. There is no criminal conduct here that has been even remotely verified. The group may very well have a 501 app pending. We just don't know. Calling this criminal is just inflamatory hyperbole, at the least, premature.

SO it's ok to commit crimes as long as the perp does not get caught?
Remind us of that when you are carjacked and the perp is not caught by the police.

I think that car jacking and telephone calls are a poor comparison.

I must apologize if I have insulted you in some way. I wasn't expecting such a harsh tone in reply and I try to word my replies carefully and respectfully. I know that may not be the norm in the community and I do apologize if my respect has been mistaken for anything but my best effort at humbly stating my opinion. I hope you will excuse me in the future.

 

[Big Fitz]

"Though one event seem to the righteous and wicked, it is vastly different. Those who glory in any other defence and protection than the Divine power, providence, and promise, will, sooner or later, be ashamed of their glorying. Those who will not leave it to God to take vengeance for them, may expect that he will take vengeance on them. The equity of the Lord's judgments is to be observed, when he not only avenges injuries upon those that did them, but by those against whom they were done. Those who treasure up old hatred, and watch for the opportunity of manifesting it, are treasuring up for themselves wrath against the day of wrath." Ezekial 25: 8 - 17

I am not taking vengeance though, it is a rebuke. I am treating them as they would those they disagree with. But I shall answer in kind.

Proverbs 1: 29-31

Since they hated knowledge and did not choose to fear the LORD,
since they would not accept my advice and spurned my rebuke,
they will eat the fruit of their ways and be filled with the fruit of their schemes.

Proverbs 17:10
A rebuke impresses a man of discernment more than a hundred lashes a fool.

Proverbs 19:25
Flog a mocker, and the simple will learn prudence; rebuke a discerning man, and he will gain knowledge.

Luke 17:3
So watch yourselves. "If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him.

Titus 1:13-16
This testimony is true. Therefore, rebuke them sharply, so that they will be sound in the faith
and will pay no attention to Jewish myths or to the commands of those who reject the truth.
To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted.
They claim to know God, but by their actions they deny him. They are detestable, disobedient and unfit for doing anything good.

So, take what you will from it.

 

[Sunshine]

So crazed is the left to silence those who oppose their agenda and dare mock their sacred cows, they have resorted to committing telecommunication crimes to get the word out and silence a private citizen.

Illegal robocalls accuse Republicans over Rush Limbaugh and 'slut' slur - Mail Online - Toby Harnden's blog

The outrage should be towards this tactic, and prosection on those who have undertaken it.

Criminal activity is not protected free speech.

Women of the 99% Robocall Attacks Rush Limbaugh March 8, 2012 - YouTube

Rush Limbaugh is not a private citizen. But he IS his own worst enemy.

 

[Big Fitz]

So crazed is the left to silence those who oppose their agenda and dare mock their sacred cows, they have resorted to committing telecommunication crimes to get the word out and silence a private citizen.

Illegal robocalls accuse Republicans over Rush Limbaugh and 'slut' slur - Mail Online - Toby Harnden's blog

The outrage should be towards this tactic, and prosection on those who have undertaken it.

Criminal activity is not protected free speech.

Women of the 99% Robocall Attacks Rush Limbaugh March 8, 2012 - YouTube

Rush Limbaugh is not a private citizen. But he IS his own worst enemy.

At times, yes. he is. But he also has the right to his opinion, and the distasteful way he framed his point does not change the fact that he is right. We have gotten so caught up in HOW the message was delivered, that we have ignored WHAT was delivered.

Start at 2:20.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdkiBvgMfWY]Rowan Atkinson LIVE 10 - Pink Tights And Plenty of Props - YouTube[/ame]

 

[GoneBezerk]

The left being the idiots they are will take Rush's mistake of correctly calling the slut a slut on the radio too far and have it blow up in their face.

When they try to make it criminal for Rush to speak his mind on the radio, most normal Americans will turn on those assholes like Rosey O'Donnell turns on a big mac.

 

[Big Fitz]

The left being the idiots they are will take Rush's mistake of correctly calling the slut a slut on the radio too far and have it blow up in their face.

When they try to make it criminal for Rush to speak his mind on the radio, most normal Americans will turn on those assholes like Rosey O'Donnell turns on a big mac.

Or how the public turned on Rosey O'Donnell, period.

 

[Sweet Willy]

Fitz my friend, there is simply no way to convince us that your enemies have dragged you into the mud they wallow in when you've been offered a hand up out of it and refused. This isn't a difficult concept to understand.

The matter on both sides is covered by protected speech. Now it's just a matter of how low we can set the common denominator. There is no glory to be had here, there is no "win". There is no need to put yourself in this position. Those that will see your point already well have. The rest are not going to come around, much less by this method you have chosen in your attempt. I applaud your conviction but your method is in vain. Again, pull yourself together and stand up man.