Let's Hope We Never Go To War With China

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I just returned from a three-week tour of China where most of the focus was on natural wonders. But, I did spend my first three days in Beijing enjoying the sights and historical wonders.

As the only foreigner in three separate tour groups made up of Chinese national, (my girlfriend of many years being my interpreter) I came away with what I hope is an unfiltered look at the country that many tourists don't get.

On the second day of the tour, while still in the grip of jet-lag, it was suggested that I might want to join the group going to see the flag-raising ceremony in Tienanmen Square that occurs at dawn every morning rain or shine. I was told we had to leave at 2:30 AM, which seemed a bit early for a 4:30 AM sunrise, but I acquiesced.

I was expecting to see a dozen or so similarly sleepy-eyed insomniacs who came to see the short ceremony before grabbing a McDonald's breakfast (located conveniently across the road from Tienanmen Square) and back to bed.

What I didn't expect was to see thousands of people pouring out of buses and subway trains (I stopped counting after about a hundred tourist buses) to line up to get into the square. I would conservatively at about 25,000 people pushing and running in the square to get as close to to the flag as possible. What I thought was an early arrival and unapologetic rugby scrum tactics was only able to get my girlfriend and I within 100 yards or so of the flagpole ... a prestigious position compared to the 15,000 or more less competitive onlookers behind me.

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The ceremony itself is simple, a group of men march out (none of which I could see behind ten thousand people armed with phones and selfie-sticks) , raise the flag, the national anthem is played over a PA (the only nation anthem in the world that originally came from a movie) and its done. The next several hours is spent taking photos the each other and the monuments in and around the square and eating all the food that people miraculously pull from their purses, shopping bags, and haversacks.

The reason I bring this up as a cautionary tale is that morning wasn't special. It was a normal Thursday Summer morning, not a holiday, not even particularly good weather ( a lot of morning haze). This is not a mandatory thing. No attendance is taken and no one receives brownie points for being there at O'Dark Thirtry to watch the very simple show. This is an unsolicited outpouring of national patriotism that occurs EVERY day, rain or shine, 365 days a year which Chinese consider fun.

Chinese are proud of their country in a way I haven't seen American be in my adult lifetime. I saw again and again, this pride in their country, in its progress, completely free of the self-doubt and ennui that Americans seem to enjoy.

Like Americans of the 1940s, I believe they would respond to a perceived attack on their country or values in a way no enemy would want to face.
 
it is not just the nukes, it is also our dependency on the products of their slave laborers for the materials made for solar panel and ev batteries and all the cheap plastic crap we buy from Walmart and Amazon. and then we go sell our land to the Chinese they won't have to go to war with us they can just buy us an acre at a time. And yes they have plenty of cannon fodder to soak up our bullets.
 
I don't know if you buy American-made blue jeans but I don't. In fact, I make it a point not to purchase an American product ... unless there is no other choice. For example I never buy Black & Decker. Most of my electric tools are Meec.

Those aren't made in America any more.
 
Just.another reminder as to why I say that China is going to win among other reasons. While the West have leaders who trip over themselves to be the first and loudest to suggest that their citizens NOT be patriotic because that wouod be racist and xenophobic, other nations remain homgenuous and patriotic. If we dared to tell them what many tell our populations they would be offended.
 
I just returned from a three-week tour of China where most of the focus was on natural wonders. But, I did spend my first three days in Beijing enjoying the sights and historical wonders.

As the only foreigner in three separate tour groups made up of Chinese national, (my girlfriend of many years being my interpreter) I came away with what I hope is an unfiltered look at the country that many tourists don't get.

On the second day of the tour, while still in the grip of jet-lag, it was suggested that I might want to join the group going to see the flag-raising ceremony in Tienanmen Square that occurs at dawn every morning rain or shine. I was told we had to leave at 2:30 AM, which seemed a bit early for a 4:30 AM sunrise, but I acquiesced.

I was expecting to see a dozen or so similarly sleepy-eyed insomniacs who came to see the short ceremony before grabbing a McDonald's breakfast (located conveniently across the road from Tienanmen Square) and back to bed.

What I didn't expect was to see thousands of people pouring out of buses and subway trains (I stopped counting after about a hundred tourist buses) to line up to get into the square. I would conservatively at about 25,000 people pushing and running in the square to get as close to to the flag as possible. What I thought was an early arrival and unapologetic rugby scrum tactics was only able to get my girlfriend and I within 100 yards or so of the flagpole ... a prestigious position compared to the 15,000 or more less competitive onlookers behind me.

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The ceremony itself is simple, a group of men march out (none of which I could see behind ten thousand people armed with phones and selfie-sticks) , raise the flag, the national anthem is played over a PA (the only nation anthem in the world that originally came from a movie) and its done. The next several hours is spent taking photos the each other and the monuments in and around the square and eating all the food that people miraculously pull from their purses, shopping bags, and haversacks.

The reason I bring this up as a cautionary tale is that morning wasn't special. It was a normal Thursday Summer morning, not a holiday, not even particularly good weather ( a lot of morning haze). This is not a mandatory thing. No attendance is taken and no one receives brownie points for being there at O'Dark Thirtry to watch the very simple show. This is an unsolicited outpouring of national patriotism that occurs EVERY day, rain or shine, 365 days a year which Chinese consider fun.

Chinese are proud of their country in a way I haven't seen American be in my adult lifetime. I saw again and again, this pride in their country, in its progress, completely free of the self-doubt and ennui that Americans seem to enjoy.

Like Americans of the 1940s, I believe they would respond to a perceived attack on their country or values in a way no enemy would want to face.
Face where?
 
I don't know if you buy American-made blue jeans but I don't. In fact, I make it a point not to purchase an American product ... unless there is no other choice. For example I never buy Black & Decker......
Those aren't made in America any more.
Really? I guess I should have figured that out already but I don't keep up very well.
 
it is not just the nukes, it is also our dependency on the products of their slave laborers for the materials made for solar panel and ev batteries and all the cheap plastic crap we buy from Walmart and Amazon.
And the computer you’re typing on as well.

Here is the part where you lie and say that nothing in your trailer was made in China.
 
Sounds like the Chinese have another way of winning over us. Their women. Your girlfriend is Chinese. So is mine. I think a couple other posters here have mentioned their women are Chinese as well. Seems like too many American women forgot to pack their femininity, when they began their march for feminism...
 
Their women. Your girlfriend is Chinese.

Yes, my GF was born in Canton, worked for international companies in Beijing, got her Bachelors in Philadelphia and ran her own business in Tokyo for 17-years before she came back to the US to run another business.

She's as American as a Ford truck full of apple pies... But she can good awesome crispy duck.
 
I just returned from a three-week tour of China where most of the focus was on natural wonders. But, I did spend my first three days in Beijing enjoying the sights and historical wonders.

As the only foreigner in three separate tour groups made up of Chinese national, (my girlfriend of many years being my interpreter) I came away with what I hope is an unfiltered look at the country that many tourists don't get.

On the second day of the tour, while still in the grip of jet-lag, it was suggested that I might want to join the group going to see the flag-raising ceremony in Tienanmen Square that occurs at dawn every morning rain or shine. I was told we had to leave at 2:30 AM, which seemed a bit early for a 4:30 AM sunrise, but I acquiesced.

I was expecting to see a dozen or so similarly sleepy-eyed insomniacs who came to see the short ceremony before grabbing a McDonald's breakfast (located conveniently across the road from Tienanmen Square) and back to bed.

What I didn't expect was to see thousands of people pouring out of buses and subway trains (I stopped counting after about a hundred tourist buses) to line up to get into the square. I would conservatively at about 25,000 people pushing and running in the square to get as close to to the flag as possible. What I thought was an early arrival and unapologetic rugby scrum tactics was only able to get my girlfriend and I within 100 yards or so of the flagpole ... a prestigious position compared to the 15,000 or more less competitive onlookers behind me.

View attachment 980286


The ceremony itself is simple, a group of men march out (none of which I could see behind ten thousand people armed with phones and selfie-sticks) , raise the flag, the national anthem is played over a PA (the only nation anthem in the world that originally came from a movie) and its done. The next several hours is spent taking photos the each other and the monuments in and around the square and eating all the food that people miraculously pull from their purses, shopping bags, and haversacks.

The reason I bring this up as a cautionary tale is that morning wasn't special. It was a normal Thursday Summer morning, not a holiday, not even particularly good weather ( a lot of morning haze). This is not a mandatory thing. No attendance is taken and no one receives brownie points for being there at O'Dark Thirtry to watch the very simple show. This is an unsolicited outpouring of national patriotism that occurs EVERY day, rain or shine, 365 days a year which Chinese consider fun.

Chinese are proud of their country in a way I haven't seen American be in my adult lifetime. I saw again and again, this pride in their country, in its progress, completely free of the self-doubt and ennui that Americans seem to enjoy.

Like Americans of the 1940s, I believe they would respond to a perceived attack on their country or values in a way no enemy would want to face.

Thanks for the post. Very informative.

The Chinese have always pushed unity while our leaders for the past 40 plus years have done all they can to divide the nation.
 
And the computer you’re typing on as well.

Here is the part where you lie and say that nothing in your trailer was made in China.
Almost everything in my trailer was bought in Walmart or Amazon so ...
And when I was a kid a big insult was "You bought that from Kmart." Kmart was a good store. Why buy some name brand pants when you are going to outgrow them in 6 months anyhow?

Yeah it sucks my stuff was made with slave labor because I'm poor. We should all refuse to buy from those who practice that shit. Better to buy them from countries paying their people $1 an hour because that would be $7 a day more than they otherwise would make.
 
I just returned from a three-week tour of China where most of the focus was on natural wonders. But, I did spend my first three days in Beijing enjoying the sights and historical wonders.

As the only foreigner in three separate tour groups made up of Chinese national, (my girlfriend of many years being my interpreter) I came away with what I hope is an unfiltered look at the country that many tourists don't get.

On the second day of the tour, while still in the grip of jet-lag, it was suggested that I might want to join the group going to see the flag-raising ceremony in Tienanmen Square that occurs at dawn every morning rain or shine. I was told we had to leave at 2:30 AM, which seemed a bit early for a 4:30 AM sunrise, but I acquiesced.

I was expecting to see a dozen or so similarly sleepy-eyed insomniacs who came to see the short ceremony before grabbing a McDonald's breakfast (located conveniently across the road from Tienanmen Square) and back to bed.

What I didn't expect was to see thousands of people pouring out of buses and subway trains (I stopped counting after about a hundred tourist buses) to line up to get into the square. I would conservatively at about 25,000 people pushing and running in the square to get as close to to the flag as possible. What I thought was an early arrival and unapologetic rugby scrum tactics was only able to get my girlfriend and I within 100 yards or so of the flagpole ... a prestigious position compared to the 15,000 or more less competitive onlookers behind me.

View attachment 980286


The ceremony itself is simple, a group of men march out (none of which I could see behind ten thousand people armed with phones and selfie-sticks) , raise the flag, the national anthem is played over a PA (the only nation anthem in the world that originally came from a movie) and its done. The next several hours is spent taking photos the each other and the monuments in and around the square and eating all the food that people miraculously pull from their purses, shopping bags, and haversacks.

The reason I bring this up as a cautionary tale is that morning wasn't special. It was a normal Thursday Summer morning, not a holiday, not even particularly good weather ( a lot of morning haze). This is not a mandatory thing. No attendance is taken and no one receives brownie points for being there at O'Dark Thirtry to watch the very simple show. This is an unsolicited outpouring of national patriotism that occurs EVERY day, rain or shine, 365 days a year which Chinese consider fun.

Chinese are proud of their country in a way I haven't seen American be in my adult lifetime. I saw again and again, this pride in their country, in its progress, completely free of the self-doubt and ennui that Americans seem to enjoy.

Like Americans of the 1940s, I believe they would respond to a perceived attack on their country or values in a way no enemy would want to face.
I wouldn't say "unsolicited".
The Chinese pushed a nationalism propaganda campaign about 20 years ago....non-stop and heavy. They have since stopped it but the effect is still working.

And of course we don't want to go to war with China or anyone for that matter.

War is ugly, expensive and the most fragile members of the society who engage in it always die....as well as the young, fit and strong...which mostly destroys the generation following.

China stopped their nationalism program because too many people with some authority began abusing it with impunity. China wanted to stop the imbezzling thefts and financial abuses but nationalism didn't help. It kinda made it worse in a lot of ways. To this day they have worsening major corruption and system abuses. They have missiles where the fuel has been used to cook hot pots because nobody thought to send cooking fuels out to the soldiers guarding and manning the missiles. (Or the fuels were sold on the black market).

I like the Chinese and their culture...it's very different from American culture and where their "Chinglish" (Chinese version of english) is always humorous...it demonstrates an admiration of them for ours as well.

And what we both as different peoples have in common is an extreme dislike and mistrust of our governments. The difference being that the Chinese very much fear their government. (For good reasons)
 
Thanks for the post. Very informative.

The Chinese have always pushed unity while our leaders for the past 40 plus years have done all they can to divide the nation.
Yeah....I agree. There have been a few political leaders responsible for this separation and political friction and used EVERY means available to widen the divide. (Pelosi and Trump)

Fleas come with the Dog. Where I love unity of people I do not like it at the expense of other people.
For example Democrats hate firearms of all sorts and types and want no one to have them....until they are the only ones holding them.
Republicans talk a good game about equal opportunity but they still want to be more equal than others and manipulate you into buying their game because they have destroyed all other games in town. They are NOT fans of transparency and complete real history. They love causing others to back into the only corner left to them to survive and then label them "wicked"...so they can isolate, Incarcerate, and shame.
 

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