Mass shooting frequency

[2aguy]

Ya but one dead by car accident is fine,One dead by drowning is fine, one dead by beating is fine, right?

Nope, all tragic, but people need cars while almost no American needs a gun.

Australia's gun deaths went down with so called gun control but their knifing each other at an alarming rate.

It is going back up....and their gun ownership levels are back to where they were before the confiscation......

 

[2aguy]

The latest Meme by the left is that there have been more mass shootings this year then days in the year. An out and out lie. Here let me give you some facts.

Mass shootings and active shooters: why definitions matter

While incidents have increased in the last few years they are not as prevalent as the left would have you believe. An average of 16 shootings in the last few years. Notice that is NO WHERE near the number claimed by the left? And why is that? because any lie is acceptable to the left when spinning their narrative.

Just like the claim has been made over and over that open carry would lead to shoot outs like in the wild west. Nothing even remotely like that has happened anywhere. In fact shootings over all went down not up. Death by firearms went down not up.

Did you bother to read the article you cited:

'Citing the Mass Shooting Tracker, several publications reported Wednesday that there have been at least 351 shootings in the first 334 days of 2015. In other words, mass shootings are a more-than-once-daily occurrence in the United States.

This standard grew from and is bolstered by the FBI’s definition for “mass murder”: “Generally, mass murder was described as a number of murders (four or more) occurring during the same incident, with no distinctive time period between the murders.”

“There is no broadly agreed-to, specific conceptualization of this issue[.”]'

And:

“Left-leaning magazine Mother Jones also maintains a database of mass shootings but has much stricter criteria. For inclusion, the shooting must have happened in a public space and killed at least four people (not including the perpetrator). Gang activity and other crimes were not included; the shooter’s motive must have been mass murder.

This puts their count for mass shootings so far this year at just four: a Charleston, S.C., church in June; a Chattanooga military recruitment center in July; Umpqua Community College in October and the latest in San Bernardino. ”

Consequently, there is no 'meme by the left,' 'latest' or otherwise – and given the fact that “[t]here is no broadly agreed-to, specific conceptualization of this issue,” along with Mother Jones' magazine seeking to be more precise as to what constitutes 'mass murder,' the statement that there have been more mass shootings this year than days in the year is not a 'lie'; indeed, what is a lie is the thread's premise that 'the left' is attempting to be 'dishonest' or 'misleading' about the issue, when in fact nothing could be further from the truth, as illustrated by Mother Jones.

Last, the accurate, correct claim is that there is no objective, documented evidence in support of the notion that citizens carrying concealed firearms will have the effect of 'thwarting' mass shootings; likewise, there is no objective, documented evidence in support of the notion that citizens carrying concealed firearms has had the effect of 'decreasing' gun violence or mass shootings.

The thread premise fails as a straw man fallacy, where the lie was contrived that 'the left' is attempting to be 'misleading' concerning incidents of mass shootings, where in fact 'the left' is not only doing no such thing, but is actually making efforts to redefine what is considered to be a 'mass shooting' to develop a more accurate understanding of the phenomenon.

Last, the accurate, correct claim is that there is no objective, documented evidence in support of the notion that citizens carrying concealed firearms will have the effect of 'thwarting' mass shootings;

Just about every public space the anti gunners could find, they made into gun free zones for normal gun owners...and then they say there is "no objective, documented evidence in support of the notion that citizens carrying concealed firearms will have the effect of 'thwarting' mass shootings" because you have made it almost impossible for there to be an armed citizen at the site of a public mass shooting.........

See how that works for them.......

But.....

In the events where there were citizens who were actually able to carry guns into a public space that was not a gun free zone and was attacked by a mass shooter......many gun carrying civilians stopped the shooters and saved lives.....

Notice the difference when armed civilians are at the scene of mass shootings......


Wisconsin Sikh temple shooting - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia ( 6 dead, 4 wounded)

Charleston church shooting - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia ( 9 dead)

vs.

Deputies Osceola pastor shot church janitor in self-defense ( 0 dead)

6 Shot At New Life Church Gunman 2 Churchgoers Dead - 7NEWS Denver TheDenverChannel.com ( 2 dead, 3 wounded)

Remember This SC Concealed Carrier Stops Mass Shooting During Church Service. No Casualties. ( 0 dead)
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No guns: 15 dead

Sikh temple ( 6 dead, 4 wounded)

Charleston ( 9 dead)


Parishioners with guns: 2 dead

Osceola ( 0 dead )

New life ( 2 dead, 3 wounded)

South Carolina shotgun guy ( 0 dead)


Temple massacre has some Sikhs mulling gun ownership

The president of the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin had only a butter knife on hand, which he used to fight the gunman. He was killed, but his heroic actions were credited for slowing the shooter. Guns were not allowed in the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin.

“No guns [were] allowed in the temple,” Kulbir Singh, an attendee of the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin, told FoxNews.com. “Everyone knows that it’s not allowed, anywhere in the temple.”