Modern warfare might be more humane

[frigidweirdo]

China says its fighter pilots are battling AI aircraft in simulated dogfights, and humans aren't the only ones learning

One experienced pilot said that as he battled the AI, it would study his moves, throwing them back at him in later rounds.

uk.news.yahoo.com

Here's an article about China using AI that learns from human pilots. It's the future. Soon AI pilots will be much better than real pilots, and it'll be a lot easier to cope with them being shot down.

What with hacking being the main form of warfare even in the present day, how many times has the US has major hacks from outside of the US? (Probably Russia and China) and with propaganda being thrown at people in the US, but China and Russia protecting themselves without having to worry about free speech getting in the way.

This is the future. People won't die in wars from combat, they'll die from starvation or be enslaved once their computer systems go down.

Starvation is just about the worst way to die. It is arguably as bad as radiation poisoning. How is that "more humane".

Well, the warfare is more humane. What comes after might not be.

How is the "warfare" more humane?

Because you don't send people off to die. Only technology will get killed.

Whether there's famine etc, well, all wars have that, WW2 was a massive stretch for Europe, rationing lasted years after WW2. You might not be able to stop that from happening. But perhaps wars will end up with no dead people at the end of it.

Those unmanned weapons platforms use REAL weapons against REAL people. So it isn't "only technology" that will get killed.

Wars end with "no dead people at the end of it?!"

Get real. If you don't kill people you can't win wars.

I'm talking about the future. Not now. And I'm talking possible scenarios.

As for "If you don't kill people you can't win wars." The reality is that wars will be conducted through hacking, and through economic means. If you have to build up a massive military at huge expense and then you lose it all in a battle, it's going to hurt you economically. Who needs to die?

That's another myth you and others have bought into. Wars are never going to be fought by nerds at keyboards or drone operators. That is a myth promoted by the writers of half price action thrillers.

Well, they already are being fought like this.

So... I don't need myths and action thrillers. I can look at the world today.

But you keep your head in the sand.

What we're seeing today is hardly "warfare". Cyber or otherwise. Mere annoyances don't qualify as "warfare".

Let me guess, "warfare" for you is only when guys are getting sweaty and shot.

Yes. What's wrong with that?

What's wrong with it?

It's like saying you can only talk about the weather if it's sunny.

Both China and Russia have been actively working on alternative ways of warring.

The Rise of the Present Unconventional Character of Warfare

Major power competition has evolved in style. An inability to counter U.S. military superiority has led China, Russia, and major regional powers to employ unconventional warfare to achieve their national security objectives. Technological developments re-invented this type of warfare and improved it

thestrategybridge.org

"The Rise of the Present Unconventional Character of Warfare"

You can read this, if you can be bothered.

It talks about Russia and China now.

China already ‘engaging in war’

It’s war. But not as we know it.

www.news.com.au

"China already ‘engaging in irregular war’ with US in the ‘grey zone’"

"It’s war. But not as we know it.

Decades of writings by China’s top tacticians reveal this to be so."

"It’s where coercion, intimidation, propaganda and manipulation are at play."

China Finally Admits It Has Army of Hackers

China finally Admitted to has Army of Hackers, cyber warfare units, digital spying capabilities.

thehackernews.com

"China Finally Admits It Has Army of Hackers" (from 6 years ago)

You don't get to decide what warfare is.

Just like the US didn't get to decide the type of warfare in Vietnam or Afghanistan.

 

[Dayton3]

China says its fighter pilots are battling AI aircraft in simulated dogfights, and humans aren't the only ones learning

One experienced pilot said that as he battled the AI, it would study his moves, throwing them back at him in later rounds.

uk.news.yahoo.com

Just like the US didn't get to decide the type of warfare in Vietnam or Afghanistan.

The U.S. fully could have if it had wanted to. When the U.S. wanted to turn the Vietnam War into a naval war (mining of Haiphong Harbor) or a strategic air war (Linebacker I & II) then the U.S. kicked ass.

The U.S. only didn't have nerve to press the issue there. And we had a way inordinate fear of "what will the Russians or Chinese do".

 

[itfitzme]

China says its fighter pilots are battling AI aircraft in simulated dogfights, and humans aren't the only ones learning

One experienced pilot said that as he battled the AI, it would study his moves, throwing them back at him in later rounds.

uk.news.yahoo.com

Here's an article about China using AI that learns from human pilots. It's the future. Soon AI pilots will be much better than real pilots, and it'll be a lot easier to cope with them being shot down.

What with hacking being the main form of warfare even in the present day, how many times has the US has major hacks from outside of the US? (Probably Russia and China) and with propaganda being thrown at people in the US, but China and Russia protecting themselves without having to worry about free speech getting in the way.

This is the future. People won't die in wars from combat, they'll die from starvation or be enslaved once their computer systems go down.

We will see. The AI potential is incredible and the technology is all there.

I didn't understand US Navy Cmdr. Guy Snodgrass, comment of '"you're really just training human operators to fight AI, and that is probably not what they are going to be going up against," since there are no autonomous AI-driven fighter aircraft they would need to be prepared to fight.'

I see the system as being AI and human operators working together. AI would begin as wingman. They gain experience from flying with human pilots. They are also able to share that knowledge as part of a larger data base. Humans interact with the same database. It takes longer for human operators to learn new tactics, though that's relative an the best comparison would be to AI. However the learning experience is shared between the two, There still continues to be an interaction between flight engineers, combat analysis and training, and AI counterparts. I can see a single human pilot having a fleet of AI driven planes that are capable of executing complex commands.

 

[MisterBeale]

how many times has the US has major hacks from outside of the US? (Probably Russia and China)

I don't have a clue. . . and if you have the belief that you think you do?

You are a victim of war propaganda.



All of the global oligarchs want the same thing, control over their own little piece of the global pie. That, more than likely means, working together, and scaring their respective populations, by using each others governments as the external threats to keep their own populations in line.

This is how all totalitarianism works. It works by invoking an external threat, and an internal one.

But the truth? Is probably far more sinister. I would be willing to bet, most of these oligarchs, at this point in history, have agreed to leave each other alone, and let each other deal with their own internal affairs.

If any interaction does occur, it is carefully planned before hand. Why do you think these global confabs happen? Do you really think Putin is the bad guy? Oh, I assure you, he knew everything that went on at that G7, and they knew everything that was said at that summit.

Sort of like this whole COVID charade. The French built that lab in Wuhan, the Canadians helped develop that virus in that Winnipeg BSL4 lab, and the US's Eco-Health Alliance helped fund the Wuhan's Gain of Function while the WHO, Gavi Alliance, John Hopkin's folks ran cover for the whole thing.

Global hacking is no different. They have already run many drills to simulate huge outages and reactions from the public, and you are reacting just as they thought you would. There are other powerful technologies, above top secret ones, things they have treaties for already, like using AI and robots, using space weapons, and weather weapons, computer weapons, which, have already been codified. . . yet there is nothing about banning this shit for use on these oligarchs' own populations.

. . . so you go on believing your "divided world," paradigm.

These folks have already united the world under a global technocratic paradigm. . . if 2020 didn't teach you that? Nothing will.

 

[itfitzme]

China says its fighter pilots are battling AI aircraft in simulated dogfights, and humans aren't the only ones learning

One experienced pilot said that as he battled the AI, it would study his moves, throwing them back at him in later rounds.

uk.news.yahoo.com

Here's an article about China using AI that learns from human pilots. It's the future. Soon AI pilots will be much better than real pilots, and it'll be a lot easier to cope with them being shot down.

What with hacking being the main form of warfare even in the present day, how many times has the US has major hacks from outside of the US? (Probably Russia and China) and with propaganda being thrown at people in the US, but China and Russia protecting themselves without having to worry about free speech getting in the way.

This is the future. People won't die in wars from combat, they'll die from starvation or be enslaved once their computer systems go down.

The best we can hope for in warfare is a stalemate.

 

[frigidweirdo]

China says its fighter pilots are battling AI aircraft in simulated dogfights, and humans aren't the only ones learning

One experienced pilot said that as he battled the AI, it would study his moves, throwing them back at him in later rounds.

uk.news.yahoo.com

Just like the US didn't get to decide the type of warfare in Vietnam or Afghanistan.

The U.S. fully could have if it had wanted to. When the U.S. wanted to turn the Vietnam War into a naval war (mining of Haiphong Harbor) or a strategic air war (Linebacker I & II) then the U.S. kicked ass.

The U.S. only didn't have nerve to press the issue there. And we had a way inordinate fear of "what will the Russians or Chinese do".

Could have, except didn't because of various reasons. Like the Soviets arming the Vietcong.

So the US lost for those reason.

 

[frigidweirdo]

China says its fighter pilots are battling AI aircraft in simulated dogfights, and humans aren't the only ones learning

One experienced pilot said that as he battled the AI, it would study his moves, throwing them back at him in later rounds.

uk.news.yahoo.com

Here's an article about China using AI that learns from human pilots. It's the future. Soon AI pilots will be much better than real pilots, and it'll be a lot easier to cope with them being shot down.

What with hacking being the main form of warfare even in the present day, how many times has the US has major hacks from outside of the US? (Probably Russia and China) and with propaganda being thrown at people in the US, but China and Russia protecting themselves without having to worry about free speech getting in the way.

This is the future. People won't die in wars from combat, they'll die from starvation or be enslaved once their computer systems go down.

We will see. The AI potential is incredible and the technology is all there.

I didn't understand US Navy Cmdr. Guy Snodgrass, comment of '"you're really just training human operators to fight AI, and that is probably not what they are going to be going up against," since there are no autonomous AI-driven fighter aircraft they would need to be prepared to fight.'

I see the system as being AI and human operators working together. AI would begin as wingman. They gain experience from flying with human pilots. They are also able to share that knowledge as part of a larger data base. Humans interact with the same database. It takes longer for human operators to learn new tactics, though that's relative an the best comparison would be to AI. However the learning experience is shared between the two, There still continues to be an interaction between flight engineers, combat analysis and training, and AI counterparts. I can see a single human pilot having a fleet of AI driven planes that are capable of executing complex commands.

Essentially the AI will learn from the pilots, and then they'll end up having to learn other AIs ways of flying. That's what it'll all be about, those who can make the best AI.

 

[frigidweirdo]

China says its fighter pilots are battling AI aircraft in simulated dogfights, and humans aren't the only ones learning

One experienced pilot said that as he battled the AI, it would study his moves, throwing them back at him in later rounds.

uk.news.yahoo.com

Here's an article about China using AI that learns from human pilots. It's the future. Soon AI pilots will be much better than real pilots, and it'll be a lot easier to cope with them being shot down.

What with hacking being the main form of warfare even in the present day, how many times has the US has major hacks from outside of the US? (Probably Russia and China) and with propaganda being thrown at people in the US, but China and Russia protecting themselves without having to worry about free speech getting in the way.

This is the future. People won't die in wars from combat, they'll die from starvation or be enslaved once their computer systems go down.

The best we can hope for in warfare is a stalemate.

Well, it's always been like that. The USSR, USA.... They never fought each other because they knew neither side could win.

But Iraq, Libya etc, they'd fight there. They use the military to get what they want from smaller countries.

 

[Dayton3]

China says its fighter pilots are battling AI aircraft in simulated dogfights, and humans aren't the only ones learning

One experienced pilot said that as he battled the AI, it would study his moves, throwing them back at him in later rounds.

uk.news.yahoo.com

Just like the US didn't get to decide the type of warfare in Vietnam or Afghanistan.

The U.S. fully could have if it had wanted to. When the U.S. wanted to turn the Vietnam War into a naval war (mining of Haiphong Harbor) or a strategic air war (Linebacker I & II) then the U.S. kicked ass.

The U.S. only didn't have nerve to press the issue there. And we had a way inordinate fear of "what will the Russians or Chinese do".

Could have, except didn't because of various reasons. Like the Soviets arming the Vietcong.

So the US lost for those reason.

1) The U.S. could've stopped Soviet arms shipments to Vietnam.
2) The Vietcong were a non factor in the Vietnam War after 1968.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

China says its fighter pilots are battling AI aircraft in simulated dogfights, and humans aren't the only ones learning

One experienced pilot said that as he battled the AI, it would study his moves, throwing them back at him in later rounds.

uk.news.yahoo.com

Here's an article about China using AI that learns from human pilots. It's the future. Soon AI pilots will be much better than real pilots, and it'll be a lot easier to cope with them being shot down.

What with hacking being the main form of warfare even in the present day, how many times has the US has major hacks from outside of the US? (Probably Russia and China) and with propaganda being thrown at people in the US, but China and Russia protecting themselves without having to worry about free speech getting in the way.

This is the future. People won't die in wars from combat, they'll die from starvation or be enslaved once their computer systems go down.

"Defense network computers. New... powerful... hooked into everything, trusted to run it all. They say it got smart, a new order of intelligence. Then it saw all people as a threat, not just the ones on the other side. Decided our fate in a microsecond: extermination."

 

[frigidweirdo]

China says its fighter pilots are battling AI aircraft in simulated dogfights, and humans aren't the only ones learning

One experienced pilot said that as he battled the AI, it would study his moves, throwing them back at him in later rounds.

uk.news.yahoo.com

Just like the US didn't get to decide the type of warfare in Vietnam or Afghanistan.

The U.S. fully could have if it had wanted to. When the U.S. wanted to turn the Vietnam War into a naval war (mining of Haiphong Harbor) or a strategic air war (Linebacker I & II) then the U.S. kicked ass.

The U.S. only didn't have nerve to press the issue there. And we had a way inordinate fear of "what will the Russians or Chinese do".

Could have, except didn't because of various reasons. Like the Soviets arming the Vietcong.

So the US lost for those reason.

1) The U.S. could've stopped Soviet arms shipments to Vietnam.
2) The Vietcong were a non factor in the Vietnam War after 1968.

Perhaps, but then who knows what it would have taken and what it would have led to.

 

[HenryBHough]

Wars that don't kill millions are indecisive.

 

[frigidweirdo]

China says its fighter pilots are battling AI aircraft in simulated dogfights, and humans aren't the only ones learning

One experienced pilot said that as he battled the AI, it would study his moves, throwing them back at him in later rounds.

uk.news.yahoo.com

Here's an article about China using AI that learns from human pilots. It's the future. Soon AI pilots will be much better than real pilots, and it'll be a lot easier to cope with them being shot down.

What with hacking being the main form of warfare even in the present day, how many times has the US has major hacks from outside of the US? (Probably Russia and China) and with propaganda being thrown at people in the US, but China and Russia protecting themselves without having to worry about free speech getting in the way.

This is the future. People won't die in wars from combat, they'll die from starvation or be enslaved once their computer systems go down.

"Defense network computers. New... powerful... hooked into everything, trusted to run it all. They say it got smart, a new order of intelligence. Then it saw all people as a threat, not just the ones on the other side. Decided our fate in a microsecond: extermination."

If you over rely on computers, it could cause you problems. This is China's main problem.

 

[zaangalewa]

The idea to think AI's are anything else than AS (absolutelly stupid) and war is able to be more human in sense of humanity shows only a problem of the own NI.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Sounds more like humans are already enslaved...

But but but.... You said everything is the pangods of the bronze aged myths. Doesn't that include computers?

Why does your sky fairy want to enslave us?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

China says its fighter pilots are battling AI aircraft in simulated dogfights, and humans aren't the only ones learning

One experienced pilot said that as he battled the AI, it would study his moves, throwing them back at him in later rounds.

uk.news.yahoo.com

Here's an article about China using AI that learns from human pilots. It's the future. Soon AI pilots will be much better than real pilots, and it'll be a lot easier to cope with them being shot down.

What with hacking being the main form of warfare even in the present day, how many times has the US has major hacks from outside of the US? (Probably Russia and China) and with propaganda being thrown at people in the US, but China and Russia protecting themselves without having to worry about free speech getting in the way.

This is the future. People won't die in wars from combat, they'll die from starvation or be enslaved once their computer systems go down.

A fraught ethical matter. How many mistakes are okay?

 

[frigidweirdo]

China says its fighter pilots are battling AI aircraft in simulated dogfights, and humans aren't the only ones learning

One experienced pilot said that as he battled the AI, it would study his moves, throwing them back at him in later rounds.

uk.news.yahoo.com

Here's an article about China using AI that learns from human pilots. It's the future. Soon AI pilots will be much better than real pilots, and it'll be a lot easier to cope with them being shot down.

What with hacking being the main form of warfare even in the present day, how many times has the US has major hacks from outside of the US? (Probably Russia and China) and with propaganda being thrown at people in the US, but China and Russia protecting themselves without having to worry about free speech getting in the way.

This is the future. People won't die in wars from combat, they'll die from starvation or be enslaved once their computer systems go down.

A fraught ethical matter. How many mistakes are okay?

Mistakes are always made in war. Does it matter if they're made by AIs instead?

 

[22lcidw]

China says its fighter pilots are battling AI aircraft in simulated dogfights, and humans aren't the only ones learning

One experienced pilot said that as he battled the AI, it would study his moves, throwing them back at him in later rounds.

uk.news.yahoo.com

Here's an article about China using AI that learns from human pilots. It's the future. Soon AI pilots will be much better than real pilots, and it'll be a lot easier to cope with them being shot down.

What with hacking being the main form of warfare even in the present day, how many times has the US has major hacks from outside of the US? (Probably Russia and China) and with propaganda being thrown at people in the US, but China and Russia protecting themselves without having to worry about free speech getting in the way.

This is the future. People won't die in wars from combat, they'll die from starvation or be enslaved once their computer systems go down.

A fraught ethical matter. How many mistakes are okay?

Mistakes are always made in war. Does it matter if they're made by AIs instead?

WMD's may even be more of an opportunity to use in today's world. To kill people and leave much of the infrastructure that is not for national defense in foreign nations is a win for aggressors.

 

[frigidweirdo]

China says its fighter pilots are battling AI aircraft in simulated dogfights, and humans aren't the only ones learning

One experienced pilot said that as he battled the AI, it would study his moves, throwing them back at him in later rounds.

uk.news.yahoo.com

Here's an article about China using AI that learns from human pilots. It's the future. Soon AI pilots will be much better than real pilots, and it'll be a lot easier to cope with them being shot down.

What with hacking being the main form of warfare even in the present day, how many times has the US has major hacks from outside of the US? (Probably Russia and China) and with propaganda being thrown at people in the US, but China and Russia protecting themselves without having to worry about free speech getting in the way.

This is the future. People won't die in wars from combat, they'll die from starvation or be enslaved once their computer systems go down.

A fraught ethical matter. How many mistakes are okay?

Mistakes are always made in war. Does it matter if they're made by AIs instead?

WMD's may even be more of an opportunity to use in today's world. To kill people and leave much of the infrastructure that is not for national defense in foreign nations is a win for aggressors.

Not really, WMD have always posed a problem. If the US uses WMD on another country, then China will then be free to use them on the US.

It's a MAD situation, so they don't get used. They're a deterrent.

 

[Damaged Eagle]

Sounds more like humans are already enslaved...

But but but.... You said everything is the pangods of the bronze aged myths. Doesn't that include computers?

Why does your sky fairy want to enslave us?

When did I state that oh worshiper at the great alter of scientific consensus?

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