New Australian documentary just released. Very graphic don't watch if you are queasy.

[sealybobo]

Honestly Hoss you can see the truth,if you can't be a man,then I'll be a Man for you......thehossliq.

If you actually were a man, then you wouldn't be so obsessed with the Jews when many Muslims are having a field day persecuting, torturing, and murdering others, and I am not only referring to ISIS. Strange how you are so quiet about what is going on in the Muslim world, part of which is not far from your area of the world.

Once again Hossfly has buzzed into the wrong forum. This forum relates to the Israel-Palestine conflict. You want to discuss, "Muslims are having a field day persecuting, torturing, and murdering others..." there are other forums on this board to do that. Unless of course this is the standard Hasbarat attempt to deflect the issue.

Don't get excited, dogbreath. Israel/Palestine is in the ME and there are Muslims all around. Why, just yesterday it was reported that Hizbullah and ISIS are in the Golan.

Let's see your reliable and neutral source which confirms that ISIS and Hizbollah are in the Golan (and not fighting). Why do you bullshit so much. It's a constant stream of crap from you.

They are always the victims even when they are the victimizers.

 

[theliq]

Sorry your summation is wrong......The Australians (that Mighty Fair Minded Race) Got it right first time,that is why the Israeli Military have stopped this practice............Australia, Great one day,Brilliant the next. One thing amongst many.. Australians are famous for, is a sense of fair play and we don't deal in BULLSHIT.
I think you got the message.steve

Your post is Incoherent and non sequitur.(and BS)

My article does NOT deny the practice existed and ended.
It does point out it was never shown to be used on the Palestinians: the whole poin OF the 'documentary'/hit piece.
You did NOT refute (nor even cite) a single point in my long article, nor did the TROLLS Montelicita or Challenger.

Speak English Clown.
You ALL Lose.
SPLASH III.
`

Of course it didn't because this Israeli practice has been going on for years,kids being dragged out of their homes in the small hours of the night,slapped around and then caged..........you are attempting to Shoot the messenger of course but we are made of sterner stuff and never roll over......One thing I and Australians in general do know is how to eliminate BULLSHIT.......your post being a Prime Example..So much for your Logic !!!!!!!!......You Lost.....I won as usual.....now off to the naughty corner with you,pick up the yellow conical hat with the letter "D" and face the back wall........and don't turn round until I tell you to......I'm theliq,ever living,ever faithful,ever sure.

 

[theliq]

February 11, 2014 by CAMERA staff
CAMERA UPDATED False Charge of Palestinian Kids in Cages Lives On in Australian Documentary

UPDATED: False Charge of 'Palestinian Kids in Cages' Lives On in Australian Documentary​

The false accusation that Israel maintained a longstanding practice of caging Palestinian children outdoors was repeated in several media outlets before being corrected by those outlets and repudiated by multiple sources. Yet it continues to gain new life as one Israeli media outlet steadfastly refuses to set the record straight.

The media charges began with a news article on Dec. 31 in the Jerusalem Post, "Livni halts practice of placing detained Palestinian children in outdoor cages." The story cited an NGO, The Public Committee Against Torture in Israel (PCATI), to allege that there was a "longstanding" Israeli policy of torturing Palestinian children by caging them outdoors. The following day, a London-based newspaper, The Independent, published a similar article entitled "Israel government tortures Palestinian children by keeping them in cages, human rights group says." Two subsequent Ha'aretz articles also mentioned the Israeli practice allegedly targeting Palestinian children.

PCATI, the original source of the false allegations, wrongly conflated the holding of Israeli detainees in outdoor prison cells (referred to as "cages") with general accusations of ill-treatment targeting Palestinians. Referring to "caging" as an example of the alleged torture of Palestinian children, the NGO linked to an earlier Hebrew-language statement from the Office of the Public Defender, which in turn was based on interviews with Israeli detainees at a prison transit facility. (There was no mention here of any Palestinians.) Those detainees reported being held temporarily in outdoor cells during severe weather as they awaited transfer to their court hearings. The Public Defender's Office gave the report to Justice Minister Tzipi Livni, who contacted the Minister of Public Security and the commissioner of the Israel Prison Service. The practice, which had been in place for several months, was immediately stopped. From the start, this was a domestic issue related to conduct by the prison system toward Israeli detainees of whatever background that was distorted into an allegation of torture and abuse targeting Palestinian children.

After CAMERA pointed out the discrepancy between PCATI's accusation and the statement to which it was linked, the NGO acknowledged that Palestinians were never mentioned in the Public Defender's report and posted a clarification to that effect on its website. CAMERA also contacted The Independent and Ha’aretz, who similarly corrected their stories.

CAMERA and its affiliates gathered additional evidence from multiple sources, including statements from the Public Defender's Office, the Justice Ministry, the Israeli Prison Authority, as well as remarks about the matter by the Minister of Public Security at a Knesset session following the release of the Public Defender's statement, the Knesset Public Petitions Committee session that was referenced in the Jerusalem Post article and Hebrew-language reports about the matter, all of which made it undeniably clear that the short-term practice of temporarily holding detainees in outdoor holding cells, or "cages," was never directed at Palestinian children or Palestinian adults.

For the past six weeks, since the Jerusalem Post article was originally published, CAMERA has appealed repeatedly to the newspaper's journalists and editors, urging them to correct the misleading story, but to no avail.

Unfortunately, the Jerusalem Post's inexplicable refusal to set the record straight has opened the door to the ongoing perpetration of an egregious falsehood, as evidenced by a vitriolic Australian documentary yesterday. The Australian Broadcasting Corporation documentary, "Four Corners," promoted a narrative of brutal abuse by Israel of Palestinian children. It included the Jerusalem Post's story of holding children overnight in outdoor cages. At approximately 32 minutes into the broadcast, the documentary zooms in on the Post's print story, graphically underscoring just how much damage the uncorrected report inflicts:

What exactly were the claims in the Jerusalem Post article that found a place in a sensationalist anti-Israel documentary, and how were they erroneous?

The Jerusalem Post Article

The Jerusalem Post’s headline "Livni halts practice of placing detained Palestinian children in outdoor cages"), subtitle ("The NGO alleges that the children were held in outdoor cages until Justice Minister Tzipi Livni intervened") and article all indicate that caging was an Israeli practice directed at Palestinian children. According to the article:
An NGO on Tuesday accused the state of torturing Palestinian children suspected of minor crimes, including placing them in outdoor cages during the worst of the recent storm, and of other acts designed to terrify the children.

The practice of placing the children in outdoor cages was halted when Justice Minister Tzipi Livni learned of it and immediately telephoned Public Security Minister Yitzhak Aharonovitch, telling him to end the practice....

The NGO, the Public Committee Against Torture in Israel, said the issue [of placing Palestinian children in outdoor cages]was a longstanding one, but that it was drawing special attention to the issue in light of Tuesday’s hearing in the Knesset’s Public Petitions Committee on related issues and a recent report on the issue by the Public Defender’s Office.

According to the Public Defender’s Office, it learned of the issue during a standard visit to a prison complex in Ramle at the height of the storm, with the children enduring freezing temperatures and inclement weather outside a transit facility...

The children were to be held outside for a number of hours overnight after their arrest until they were to be brought to court in the early morning...

The Public Committee Against Torture said that the practice was just one example of the torture and ill treatment of Palestinian children by law enforcement." [emphasis added]​

PCATI's Clarification

While the NGO continues to maintain that Palestinian minors were among those detainees who were temporarily held in outdoor cells, it has clarified that:

[t]he Public Defender's statement to which we linked regarding this deplorable practice, which has since been ceased, did not mention the word Palestinian. PCATI had been told that this practice did include Palestinian detainees including minors (which is why we included the subject in the statement). We value that this inconsistency was pointed out, however we also believe that in pointing out inconsistencies of this nature it is important to always dig deeper for the truth. . . .
We further point out that although that Public Defender's report did not mention Palestinians specifically we thought it important to further understand both what happened and to seek further clarifications. We understand that the linked statement to the Public Defender's report reflected an event in particular as contrasted to the longer term use of this practice. PCATI has learned from that the IPS, when asked about the circumstances surrounding the report that it did not distinguish between nationality and age and that there were people in custody who are also from the OPT. Therefore, there is no way out of saying that Palestinians too have suffered under this practice. That is, Palestinians, albeit not security detainees, were subjected to being held under these conditions and there were Palestinian minors as well.​

Clarification by the Public Defender's Office
Dr. Yoav Sapir, of the Public Defender’s Office, who wrote about the practice in the first place, responded to CAMERA's query about the veracity of the Post allegations regarding such a practice being applied specifically to Palestinian children:

It seems to me that the [Jerusalem Post] article conflates a number of different things that are unrelated to each other. I haven't read the report from the Public Committee Against Torture and I don't know what was written there.

The report from the Public Defender's Office that is mentioned in the article relates to detainees at the "Ayalon" transit point before they were brought to the court, and was written following interviews held by representatives from the Public Defender's Office with prisoners who were brought to the court house in Lod. To the best of our knowledge, the prisoners held under the conditions described in the report were not necessarily minors and not necessarily Palestinians. Even though the report was unusual in its severity, it made no mention of "torture" which connotes the deliberate causing of suffering.

We welcome the fact that following the report, the holding of prisoners in the manner described by the report was immediately stopped.​

Clarification by the Justice Ministry

The Justice Ministry confirmed that the practice in question targeted Israelis, not Palestinians. Spokeswoman Ganit Ben-Moshe wrote:

This is about [facilities in] territory within the State of Israel and about detainees who were Israeli residents and citizens – not specifically minors and not specifically Palestinians, as was claimed in various publications.
​

In an additional statement, Ben-Moshe noted:

In response to your further request by telephone, we wish again to clarify that the report deals with an inspection done within Israeli territory regarding detainees who were brought to court hearings from different detention facilities in the [geographic area] of the center. There is no data base to ascertain the identity and citizenship of each and every one of the detainees, but it is absolutely clear that the conditions described apply to all detainees brought to that place, Jews and Arabs, minors and adults​

Clarification by the Israel Prison Service

The response of the spokeswoman of the Israel Prison Service further repudiated the false claims, including one in which the inspectors were erroneously reported to have based their report on a surprise visit to the facility. Sivan Weizman wrote:

Further to the Public Defender's report about keeping detainees in holding cells ("cages") at the detention center in Ramle.
First, I would like to emphasize that the inspectors who wrote the report did not visit the facility at all, but prepared it (the report) following their visit to the Lod court, and relied solely on their conversations with prisoners and detainees.
It is important to point out that the holding cells that were discussed serve as a transition point between prisons, or between prisons and the courts and therefore serve the entire prisoner population without any distinction as to their residency status (Israel/Palestinian Authority) or the type of offense (security/criminal), and mainly applied to criminal convicts.
The length of time in which the prisoners were kept at the location was short, and no longer than two hours.
All the complainants mentioned in the report in question were criminal prisoners/detainees who are Israeli residents.
Similarly, we would like to point out that following the report, the use of the location was immediately discontinued and it was renovated and adapted.​

Similarly, Public Security Minister Yitzhak Aharonovitch addressed the issue of detaining people in "cages" at the 93rd session of the 19th Knesset held on Dec 18. (See here for the minutes.) Neither he nor any other Knesset member ever mentioned Palestinians in relation to the policy or the population that was affected. It is also noteworthy that the minister objected to the term "cage" itself, explaining that these were temporary holding cells with bars.

A video of the Knesset Petitions Committee session, which the Jerusalem Post article implied addressed the practice of caging in a discussion of detaining Palestinian children, was reviewed in its entirety. No reference was made at any point to a policy of holding detainees in cages.

Corrections in the Media

Media outlets generally considered quite hostile to and critical of Israel have been quickly correcting the story. Shortly after PCATI clarified its statement, CiF Watch, a CAMERA affiliate, prompted a second correction at the Independentregarding its Jan. 1 article on the subject.

The Independent removed any reference to Palestinians in both the headline and the article itself, and appended the following to the bottom of the article:

Also thanks to CiF Watch, the Independent had earlier corrected the false claim that the detainees had been detained "for months" in the outdoor facility, when in fact they were held there for hours. (This error had not appeared in the Jerusalem Post article.)

Ha'aretz, too, deserves appreciation for its rapid corrections of the unfounded claim that Israel had a practice to place Palestinians in cages. In an article Friday comparing Israel to slaveholders, Eva Illouz wrote:

In a widely publicized news story, PCATI found that children were also the object of treatment that is equivalent to torture, and that the IDF engages in such practices as putting Palestinian children guilty of minor crimes in cages (for two days), exposed to the cold in the deep of winter.
​

Within a day of receiving communication from CAMERA, Ha'aretz removed the false claim, and appended a correction:

In a separate article today, Ha'aretz repeated the falsehood, reporting:
Last month Justice Minister Tzipi Livni ordered the practice of keeping some Palestinian children locked in outdoor cages overnight.

CAMERA again followed up with Ha'aretz editors, who once again within hours set the record straight, amending the text and appending a correction as follows:

In communication with CAMERA, the Jerusalem Post has maintained that Palestinian children were among those detainees who had been held outdoors during the months the practice was in place. Therefore, there were no plans to correct the story or issue a clarification. But had the newspaper's story been merely about an objectionable Israeli domestic policy that may have included but did not specifically target Palestinians, chances are that it would not have made it into defamatory Australian documentary. Perhaps the Jerusalem Post should now reconsider the consequences of not clarifying its misleading article and at last set the record straight.

UPDATE, Feb. 12: The Jerusalem Post responds:

Pertaining to the December 31 story, "Livni halts practice of placing detained Palestinian children in outdoor cages," the 'Post' stands by its report and wishes to clarify that indications are that the practice pertained to Israelis, Palestinians, grown-ups and children without distinction.

NGO The Public Committee Against Torture in Israel continues to stand by its claim that Palestinian children were subject to the policy.
There are no parties, including the Israel Prisons Service (IPS), that categorically deny this. Many officials say that there were no Palestinian detainees during a particular episode investigated by the Public Defender, but off-the-record, some of these officials acknowledge there were probably Palestinians involved during the months that the practice went on.
​

Unfortunately, the Dec. 31 story was not about a domestic practice which may have at some point affected a Palestinian minor. It misled readers with the suggestion that Israelis had a longstanding policy of deliberately targeting Palestinian children with caging as a means of torture and ill-treatment — and that is precisely why the Australian documentary picked it up.
`

Sorry your summation is wrong......The Australians (that Mighty Fair Minded Race) Got it right first time,that is why the Israeli Military have stopped this practice............Australia, Great one day,Brilliant the next. One thing amongst many.. Australians are famous for, is a sense of fair play and we don't deal in BULLSHIT. I think you got the message.steve

They were also able to pass common sense gun legislation that has saved lives. It would never happen in america. Maybe when my parents are gone I'll move there. Quigley down under.

You'd be Welcomed,we will make an Aussie of you yet..LOL steve

 

[sealybobo]

February 11, 2014 by CAMERA staff
CAMERA UPDATED False Charge of Palestinian Kids in Cages Lives On in Australian Documentary

UPDATED: False Charge of 'Palestinian Kids in Cages' Lives On in Australian Documentary​

The false accusation that Israel maintained a longstanding practice of caging Palestinian children outdoors was repeated in several media outlets before being corrected by those outlets and repudiated by multiple sources. Yet it continues to gain new life as one Israeli media outlet steadfastly refuses to set the record straight.

The media charges began with a news article on Dec. 31 in the Jerusalem Post, "Livni halts practice of placing detained Palestinian children in outdoor cages." The story cited an NGO, The Public Committee Against Torture in Israel (PCATI), to allege that there was a "longstanding" Israeli policy of torturing Palestinian children by caging them outdoors. The following day, a London-based newspaper, The Independent, published a similar article entitled "Israel government tortures Palestinian children by keeping them in cages, human rights group says." Two subsequent Ha'aretz articles also mentioned the Israeli practice allegedly targeting Palestinian children.

PCATI, the original source of the false allegations, wrongly conflated the holding of Israeli detainees in outdoor prison cells (referred to as "cages") with general accusations of ill-treatment targeting Palestinians. Referring to "caging" as an example of the alleged torture of Palestinian children, the NGO linked to an earlier Hebrew-language statement from the Office of the Public Defender, which in turn was based on interviews with Israeli detainees at a prison transit facility. (There was no mention here of any Palestinians.) Those detainees reported being held temporarily in outdoor cells during severe weather as they awaited transfer to their court hearings. The Public Defender's Office gave the report to Justice Minister Tzipi Livni, who contacted the Minister of Public Security and the commissioner of the Israel Prison Service. The practice, which had been in place for several months, was immediately stopped. From the start, this was a domestic issue related to conduct by the prison system toward Israeli detainees of whatever background that was distorted into an allegation of torture and abuse targeting Palestinian children.

After CAMERA pointed out the discrepancy between PCATI's accusation and the statement to which it was linked, the NGO acknowledged that Palestinians were never mentioned in the Public Defender's report and posted a clarification to that effect on its website. CAMERA also contacted The Independent and Ha’aretz, who similarly corrected their stories.

CAMERA and its affiliates gathered additional evidence from multiple sources, including statements from the Public Defender's Office, the Justice Ministry, the Israeli Prison Authority, as well as remarks about the matter by the Minister of Public Security at a Knesset session following the release of the Public Defender's statement, the Knesset Public Petitions Committee session that was referenced in the Jerusalem Post article and Hebrew-language reports about the matter, all of which made it undeniably clear that the short-term practice of temporarily holding detainees in outdoor holding cells, or "cages," was never directed at Palestinian children or Palestinian adults.

For the past six weeks, since the Jerusalem Post article was originally published, CAMERA has appealed repeatedly to the newspaper's journalists and editors, urging them to correct the misleading story, but to no avail.

Unfortunately, the Jerusalem Post's inexplicable refusal to set the record straight has opened the door to the ongoing perpetration of an egregious falsehood, as evidenced by a vitriolic Australian documentary yesterday. The Australian Broadcasting Corporation documentary, "Four Corners," promoted a narrative of brutal abuse by Israel of Palestinian children. It included the Jerusalem Post's story of holding children overnight in outdoor cages. At approximately 32 minutes into the broadcast, the documentary zooms in on the Post's print story, graphically underscoring just how much damage the uncorrected report inflicts:

What exactly were the claims in the Jerusalem Post article that found a place in a sensationalist anti-Israel documentary, and how were they erroneous?

The Jerusalem Post Article

The Jerusalem Post’s headline "Livni halts practice of placing detained Palestinian children in outdoor cages"), subtitle ("The NGO alleges that the children were held in outdoor cages until Justice Minister Tzipi Livni intervened") and article all indicate that caging was an Israeli practice directed at Palestinian children. According to the article:
An NGO on Tuesday accused the state of torturing Palestinian children suspected of minor crimes, including placing them in outdoor cages during the worst of the recent storm, and of other acts designed to terrify the children.

The practice of placing the children in outdoor cages was halted when Justice Minister Tzipi Livni learned of it and immediately telephoned Public Security Minister Yitzhak Aharonovitch, telling him to end the practice....

The NGO, the Public Committee Against Torture in Israel, said the issue [of placing Palestinian children in outdoor cages]was a longstanding one, but that it was drawing special attention to the issue in light of Tuesday’s hearing in the Knesset’s Public Petitions Committee on related issues and a recent report on the issue by the Public Defender’s Office.

According to the Public Defender’s Office, it learned of the issue during a standard visit to a prison complex in Ramle at the height of the storm, with the children enduring freezing temperatures and inclement weather outside a transit facility...

The children were to be held outside for a number of hours overnight after their arrest until they were to be brought to court in the early morning...

The Public Committee Against Torture said that the practice was just one example of the torture and ill treatment of Palestinian children by law enforcement." [emphasis added]​

PCATI's Clarification

While the NGO continues to maintain that Palestinian minors were among those detainees who were temporarily held in outdoor cells, it has clarified that:

[t]he Public Defender's statement to which we linked regarding this deplorable practice, which has since been ceased, did not mention the word Palestinian. PCATI had been told that this practice did include Palestinian detainees including minors (which is why we included the subject in the statement). We value that this inconsistency was pointed out, however we also believe that in pointing out inconsistencies of this nature it is important to always dig deeper for the truth. . . .
We further point out that although that Public Defender's report did not mention Palestinians specifically we thought it important to further understand both what happened and to seek further clarifications. We understand that the linked statement to the Public Defender's report reflected an event in particular as contrasted to the longer term use of this practice. PCATI has learned from that the IPS, when asked about the circumstances surrounding the report that it did not distinguish between nationality and age and that there were people in custody who are also from the OPT. Therefore, there is no way out of saying that Palestinians too have suffered under this practice. That is, Palestinians, albeit not security detainees, were subjected to being held under these conditions and there were Palestinian minors as well.​

Clarification by the Public Defender's Office
Dr. Yoav Sapir, of the Public Defender’s Office, who wrote about the practice in the first place, responded to CAMERA's query about the veracity of the Post allegations regarding such a practice being applied specifically to Palestinian children:

It seems to me that the [Jerusalem Post] article conflates a number of different things that are unrelated to each other. I haven't read the report from the Public Committee Against Torture and I don't know what was written there.

The report from the Public Defender's Office that is mentioned in the article relates to detainees at the "Ayalon" transit point before they were brought to the court, and was written following interviews held by representatives from the Public Defender's Office with prisoners who were brought to the court house in Lod. To the best of our knowledge, the prisoners held under the conditions described in the report were not necessarily minors and not necessarily Palestinians. Even though the report was unusual in its severity, it made no mention of "torture" which connotes the deliberate causing of suffering.

We welcome the fact that following the report, the holding of prisoners in the manner described by the report was immediately stopped.​

Clarification by the Justice Ministry

The Justice Ministry confirmed that the practice in question targeted Israelis, not Palestinians. Spokeswoman Ganit Ben-Moshe wrote:

This is about [facilities in] territory within the State of Israel and about detainees who were Israeli residents and citizens – not specifically minors and not specifically Palestinians, as was claimed in various publications.
​

In an additional statement, Ben-Moshe noted:

In response to your further request by telephone, we wish again to clarify that the report deals with an inspection done within Israeli territory regarding detainees who were brought to court hearings from different detention facilities in the [geographic area] of the center. There is no data base to ascertain the identity and citizenship of each and every one of the detainees, but it is absolutely clear that the conditions described apply to all detainees brought to that place, Jews and Arabs, minors and adults​

Clarification by the Israel Prison Service

The response of the spokeswoman of the Israel Prison Service further repudiated the false claims, including one in which the inspectors were erroneously reported to have based their report on a surprise visit to the facility. Sivan Weizman wrote:

Further to the Public Defender's report about keeping detainees in holding cells ("cages") at the detention center in Ramle.
First, I would like to emphasize that the inspectors who wrote the report did not visit the facility at all, but prepared it (the report) following their visit to the Lod court, and relied solely on their conversations with prisoners and detainees.
It is important to point out that the holding cells that were discussed serve as a transition point between prisons, or between prisons and the courts and therefore serve the entire prisoner population without any distinction as to their residency status (Israel/Palestinian Authority) or the type of offense (security/criminal), and mainly applied to criminal convicts.
The length of time in which the prisoners were kept at the location was short, and no longer than two hours.
All the complainants mentioned in the report in question were criminal prisoners/detainees who are Israeli residents.
Similarly, we would like to point out that following the report, the use of the location was immediately discontinued and it was renovated and adapted.​

Similarly, Public Security Minister Yitzhak Aharonovitch addressed the issue of detaining people in "cages" at the 93rd session of the 19th Knesset held on Dec 18. (See here for the minutes.) Neither he nor any other Knesset member ever mentioned Palestinians in relation to the policy or the population that was affected. It is also noteworthy that the minister objected to the term "cage" itself, explaining that these were temporary holding cells with bars.

A video of the Knesset Petitions Committee session, which the Jerusalem Post article implied addressed the practice of caging in a discussion of detaining Palestinian children, was reviewed in its entirety. No reference was made at any point to a policy of holding detainees in cages.

Corrections in the Media

Media outlets generally considered quite hostile to and critical of Israel have been quickly correcting the story. Shortly after PCATI clarified its statement, CiF Watch, a CAMERA affiliate, prompted a second correction at the Independentregarding its Jan. 1 article on the subject.

The Independent removed any reference to Palestinians in both the headline and the article itself, and appended the following to the bottom of the article:

Also thanks to CiF Watch, the Independent had earlier corrected the false claim that the detainees had been detained "for months" in the outdoor facility, when in fact they were held there for hours. (This error had not appeared in the Jerusalem Post article.)

Ha'aretz, too, deserves appreciation for its rapid corrections of the unfounded claim that Israel had a practice to place Palestinians in cages. In an article Friday comparing Israel to slaveholders, Eva Illouz wrote:

In a widely publicized news story, PCATI found that children were also the object of treatment that is equivalent to torture, and that the IDF engages in such practices as putting Palestinian children guilty of minor crimes in cages (for two days), exposed to the cold in the deep of winter.
​

Within a day of receiving communication from CAMERA, Ha'aretz removed the false claim, and appended a correction:

In a separate article today, Ha'aretz repeated the falsehood, reporting:
Last month Justice Minister Tzipi Livni ordered the practice of keeping some Palestinian children locked in outdoor cages overnight.

CAMERA again followed up with Ha'aretz editors, who once again within hours set the record straight, amending the text and appending a correction as follows:

In communication with CAMERA, the Jerusalem Post has maintained that Palestinian children were among those detainees who had been held outdoors during the months the practice was in place. Therefore, there were no plans to correct the story or issue a clarification. But had the newspaper's story been merely about an objectionable Israeli domestic policy that may have included but did not specifically target Palestinians, chances are that it would not have made it into defamatory Australian documentary. Perhaps the Jerusalem Post should now reconsider the consequences of not clarifying its misleading article and at last set the record straight.

UPDATE, Feb. 12: The Jerusalem Post responds:

Pertaining to the December 31 story, "Livni halts practice of placing detained Palestinian children in outdoor cages," the 'Post' stands by its report and wishes to clarify that indications are that the practice pertained to Israelis, Palestinians, grown-ups and children without distinction.

NGO The Public Committee Against Torture in Israel continues to stand by its claim that Palestinian children were subject to the policy.
There are no parties, including the Israel Prisons Service (IPS), that categorically deny this. Many officials say that there were no Palestinian detainees during a particular episode investigated by the Public Defender, but off-the-record, some of these officials acknowledge there were probably Palestinians involved during the months that the practice went on.
​

Unfortunately, the Dec. 31 story was not about a domestic practice which may have at some point affected a Palestinian minor. It misled readers with the suggestion that Israelis had a longstanding policy of deliberately targeting Palestinian children with caging as a means of torture and ill-treatment — and that is precisely why the Australian documentary picked it up.
`

Sorry your summation is wrong......The Australians (that Mighty Fair Minded Race) Got it right first time,that is why the Israeli Military have stopped this practice............Australia, Great one day,Brilliant the next. One thing amongst many.. Australians are famous for, is a sense of fair play and we don't deal in BULLSHIT. I think you got the message.steve

They were also able to pass common sense gun legislation that has saved lives. It would never happen in america. Maybe when my parents are gone I'll move there. Quigley down under.

You'd be Welcomed,we will make an Aussie of you yet..LOL steve

Aussie Aussie Aussie oy oy oy! Never met one I didn't like. You're like Canadians.

 

[sealybobo]

I can't even say that about Greeks in Greece and I thought they'd be nice because I'm Greek but to them I'm just as asshole american. Lol

 

[theliq]

I can't even say that about Greeks in Greece and I thought they'd be nice because I'm Greek but to them I'm just as asshole american. Lol

Let me tell you,we have communities from all over the world and they are all friendly,I have travelled world wide and only Australians CLAP when the Aircraft lands on Aussie soil......Big Up to Australia...........unlike America we do not have Greek Australians,Jewish Australians,Irish Australians,Native Australians,African Australians......No,No,No......we are all just referred to as AUSTRALIANS.......and that makes us so different,steve

 

[sealybobo]

I can't even say that about Greeks in Greece and I thought they'd be nice because I'm Greek but to them I'm just as asshole american. Lol

Let me tell you,we have communities from all over the world and they are all friendly,I have travelled world wide and only Australians CLAP when the Aircraft lands on Aussie soil......Big Up to Australia...........unlike America we do not have Greek Australians,Jewish Australians,Irish Australians,Native Australians,African Australians......No,No,No......we are all just referred to as AUSTRALIANS.......and that makes us so different,steve

But when I went to Greece my sister in laws know these Greek australians. Coolest guys. Love the accent.

So they don't consider themselves Greek australians like I call myself a Greek american?

And in america whites dont say they are dutch americans or English americans or even German americans if they lose the culture of wherever they came from. If you ask some of my pals where their family came from they'll say Kentucky or Tennessee.

If your both parents came from another country or all 4 grandparents then we say italian american Greek american German american.

Ii don't know any first generation Aussies who's all 4 grandparents are aussies. No Aussie communities in michigan. Greeks only 1% of population in america and I'm pretty sure we outnumber you guys.

But why would a lot of aussies want to come here right?

 

[Roudy]

Honestly Hoss you can see the truth,if you can't be a man,then I'll be a Man for you......thehossliq.

If you actually were a man, then you wouldn't be so obsessed with the Jews when many Muslims are having a field day persecuting, torturing, and murdering others, and I am not only referring to ISIS. Strange how you are so quiet about what is going on in the Muslim world, part of which is not far from your area of the world.

Once again Hossfly has buzzed into the wrong forum. This forum relates to the Israel-Palestine conflict. You want to discuss, "Muslims are having a field day persecuting, torturing, and murdering others..." there are other forums on this board to do that. Unless of course this is the standard Hasbarat attempt to deflect the issue.

Don't get excited, dogbreath. Israel/Palestine is in the ME and there are Muslims all around. Why, just yesterday it was reported that Hizbullah and ISIS are in the Golan.

Let's see your reliable and neutral source which confirms that ISIS and Hizbollah are in the Golan (and not fighting). Why do you bullshit so much. It's a constant stream of crap from you.

They are always the victims even when they are the victimizers.

Yeah well there's no denying that Israel knows how to take care of business when it comes to defending herself against Arab Muslim savages, Islamic or not. Whinybohoo.

 

[Challenger]

<snip>Hasbara <snip>

You throw that term around on almost every post you make. Boy are you ever stupid. It gets pretty old since that is your only argument. Ever. What is the name for the Palestinian version of the 'hasbara'?

Oh, you must work for the Electric Intifada and/or Pallywood, that's it.

Yeah, only because you and your Zionist friends post so much of it from Zionist Hasbara sites. You can't even get your facts right. The site is called Electronic Intifada and I agree, some of what it publishes is incorrect. How do I know? I check and corroborate the data, I don't have it spoon fed to me by Zionist Hasbarists and Fox News.

 

[Challenger]

Sorry your summation is wrong......The Australians (that Mighty Fair Minded Race) Got it right first time,that is why the Israeli Military have stopped this practice............Australia, Great one day,Brilliant the next. One thing amongst many.. Australians are famous for, is a sense of fair play and we don't deal in BULLSHIT.
I think you got the message.steve

Your post is Incoherent and non sequitur.(and BS)

My article does NOT deny the practice existed and ended.
It does point out it was never shown to be used on the Palestinians: the whole poin OF the 'documentary'/hit piece.
You did NOT refute (nor even cite) a single point in my long article, nor did the TROLLS Montelicita or Challenger.

Speak English Clown.
You ALL Lose.
SPLASH III.
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It was from CAMERA; what's to cite? But, just to humour you,

"PCATI has learned from that the IPS, when asked about the circumstances surrounding the report that it did not distinguish between nationality and age and that there were people in custody who are also from the OPT. Therefore, there is no way out of saying that Palestinians too have suffered under this practice. That is, Palestinians, albeit not security detainees, were subjected to being held under these conditions and there were Palestinian minors as well."

The CAMERA article never actually refutes this statement.

 

[sealybobo]

If you actually were a man, then you wouldn't be so obsessed with the Jews when many Muslims are having a field day persecuting, torturing, and murdering others, and I am not only referring to ISIS. Strange how you are so quiet about what is going on in the Muslim world, part of which is not far from your area of the world.

Once again Hossfly has buzzed into the wrong forum. This forum relates to the Israel-Palestine conflict. You want to discuss, "Muslims are having a field day persecuting, torturing, and murdering others..." there are other forums on this board to do that. Unless of course this is the standard Hasbarat attempt to deflect the issue.

Don't get excited, dogbreath. Israel/Palestine is in the ME and there are Muslims all around. Why, just yesterday it was reported that Hizbullah and ISIS are in the Golan.

Let's see your reliable and neutral source which confirms that ISIS and Hizbollah are in the Golan (and not fighting). Why do you bullshit so much. It's a constant stream of crap from you.

They are always the victims even when they are the victimizers.

Yeah well there's no denying that Israel knows how to take care of business when it comes to defending herself against Arab Muslim savages, Islamic or not. Whinybohoo.

They create anti semitism with their behavior both in the Arab and non Arab world.

 

[Challenger]

Once again Hossfly has buzzed into the wrong forum. This forum relates to the Israel-Palestine conflict. You want to discuss, "Muslims are having a field day persecuting, torturing, and murdering others..." there are other forums on this board to do that. Unless of course this is the standard Hasbarat attempt to deflect the issue.

Don't get excited, dogbreath. Israel/Palestine is in the ME and there are Muslims all around. Why, just yesterday it was reported that Hizbullah and ISIS are in the Golan.

Let's see your reliable and neutral source which confirms that ISIS and Hizbollah are in the Golan (and not fighting). Why do you bullshit so much. It's a constant stream of crap from you.

They are always the victims even when they are the victimizers.

Yeah well there's no denying that Israel knows how to take care of business when it comes to defending herself against Arab Muslim savages, Islamic or not. Whinybohoo.

They create anti semitism with their behavior both in the Arab and non Arab world.

It's appalling that innocent Jewish French people and Danes, become victims, just because of the actions of the "Zionist paradise", Israel. I think it's time Jewish people in Europe and America stood up and denounced Israeli policies.

 

[RoccoR]

Challenger, et al,

I'm not sure that the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict is even remotely based on the affiliation with the Jewish Religion.

Don't get excited, dogbreath. Israel/Palestine is in the ME and there are Muslims all around. Why, just yesterday it was reported that Hizbullah and ISIS are in the Golan.

Let's see your reliable and neutral source which confirms that ISIS and Hizbollah are in the Golan (and not fighting). Why do you bullshit so much. It's a constant stream of crap from you.

They are always the victims even when they are the victimizers.

Yeah well there's no denying that Israel knows how to take care of business when it comes to defending herself against Arab Muslim savages, Islamic or not. Whinybohoo.

They create anti semitism with their behavior both in the Arab and non Arab world.

It's appalling that innocent Jewish French people and Danes, become victims, just because of the actions of the "Zionist paradise", Israel. I think it's time Jewish people in Europe and America stood up and denounced Israeli policies.

(COMMENT)

The conflict is Partially based on the Arab belief that Allied Powers, and the UN, were not empowered to do what they did in terms of allowing immigration and partitioning the territory.

The mistake is made in that social understanding and diplomatic relations between nations is constantly evolving and changing. Armchair rabble rousers of today are attempting to apply the accumulated changes spread-put between 1948 and 2007, to decisions that were made in the first and second decades of the 20th Century.

It simply doesn't work. And it is unlikely that todays assessment of what happened years, and decades ago, will not change the basic landscape of the territory under dispute, all that much. It is just too impractical.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[sealybobo]

Challenger, et al,

I'm not sure that the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict is even remotely based on the affiliation with the Jewish Religion.

Let's see your reliable and neutral source which confirms that ISIS and Hizbollah are in the Golan (and not fighting). Why do you bullshit so much. It's a constant stream of crap from you.

They are always the victims even when they are the victimizers.

Yeah well there's no denying that Israel knows how to take care of business when it comes to defending herself against Arab Muslim savages, Islamic or not. Whinybohoo.

They create anti semitism with their behavior both in the Arab and non Arab world.

It's appalling that innocent Jewish French people and Danes, become victims, just because of the actions of the "Zionist paradise", Israel. I think it's time Jewish people in Europe and America stood up and denounced Israeli policies.

(COMMENT)

The conflict is Partially based on the Arab belief that Allied Powers, and the UN, were not empowered to do what they did in terms of allowing immigration and partitioning the territory.

The mistake is made in that social understanding and diplomatic relations between nations is constantly evolving and changing. Armchair rabble rousers of today are attempting to apply the accumulated changes spread-put between 1948 and 2007, to decisions that were made in the first and second decades of the 20th Century.

It simply doesn't work. And it is unlikely that todays assessment of what happened years, and decades ago, will not change the basic landscape of the territory under dispute, all that much. It is just too impractical.

Most Respectfully,
R

Religion plays a part don't kid yourself. Notice the Jews hate the Muslims and the Muslims hate christians.

The bible even tells us to protect the Jews. The Jews were smart to include that when they invented a religion for gentiles. Lol

 

[montelatici]

Challenger, et al,

I'm not sure that the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict is even remotely based on the affiliation with the Jewish Religion.

Let's see your reliable and neutral source which confirms that ISIS and Hizbollah are in the Golan (and not fighting). Why do you bullshit so much. It's a constant stream of crap from you.

They are always the victims even when they are the victimizers.

Yeah well there's no denying that Israel knows how to take care of business when it comes to defending herself against Arab Muslim savages, Islamic or not. Whinybohoo.

They create anti semitism with their behavior both in the Arab and non Arab world.

It's appalling that innocent Jewish French people and Danes, become victims, just because of the actions of the "Zionist paradise", Israel. I think it's time Jewish people in Europe and America stood up and denounced Israeli policies.

(COMMENT)

The conflict is Partially based on the Arab belief that Allied Powers, and the UN, were not empowered to do what they did in terms of allowing immigration and partitioning the territory.

The mistake is made in that social understanding and diplomatic relations between nations is constantly evolving and changing. Armchair rabble rousers of today are attempting to apply the accumulated changes spread-put between 1948 and 2007, to decisions that were made in the first and second decades of the 20th Century.

It simply doesn't work. And it is unlikely that todays assessment of what happened years, and decades ago, will not change the basic landscape of the territory under dispute, all that much. It is just too impractical.

Most Respectfully,
R

You mean like, for example, the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats, and Slovenes (ne' Yugoslavia) and Czechoslovakia both created via/after the Treaty of Versailles.

 

[docmauser1]

They create anti semitism with their behavior both in the Arab and non Arab world.

The law of unintended consequences is for palistanians to make room for all those jewish victims of this international ethnic cleansing. Palistanians, move over and outttt.

 

[montelatici]

The people of Palistan, NSW, Australia will not move anywhere. They say their weather is to darn nice!

Palistan Weather - AccuWeather Forecast for New South Wales Australia

 

[Challenger]

Challenger, et al,

I'm not sure that the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict is even remotely based on the affiliation with the Jewish Religion.

Let's see your reliable and neutral source which confirms that ISIS and Hizbollah are in the Golan (and not fighting). Why do you bullshit so much. It's a constant stream of crap from you.

They are always the victims even when they are the victimizers.

Yeah well there's no denying that Israel knows how to take care of business when it comes to defending herself against Arab Muslim savages, Islamic or not. Whinybohoo.

They create anti semitism with their behavior both in the Arab and non Arab world.

It's appalling that innocent Jewish French people and Danes, become victims, just because of the actions of the "Zionist paradise", Israel. I think it's time Jewish people in Europe and America stood up and denounced Israeli policies.

(COMMENT)

The conflict is Partially based on the Arab belief that Allied Powers, and the UN, were not empowered to do what they did in terms of allowing immigration and partitioning the territory.

The mistake is made in that social understanding and diplomatic relations between nations is constantly evolving and changing. Armchair rabble rousers of today are attempting to apply the accumulated changes spread-put between 1948 and 2007, to decisions that were made in the first and second decades of the 20th Century.

It simply doesn't work. And it is unlikely that todays assessment of what happened years, and decades ago, will not change the basic landscape of the territory under dispute, all that much. It is just too impractical.

Most Respectfully,
R

I disagree, the Jewish religion is fundamental to the conflict so long as Zionists perceive Israel as a Jewish State that excludes large numbers of it's citizens and their descendants on the basis of their religion.

 

[Phoenall]

Stop doing what? Resisting occupation?

What occupation as hamas have stated there is no Israeli occupation

 

[RoccoR]

Challenger, et al,

Of course, as an outside observer, I may not see it the same way.

I disagree, the Jewish religion is fundamental to the conflict so long as Zionists perceive Israel as a Jewish State that excludes large numbers of it's citizens and their descendants on the basis of their religion.

(COMMENT)

Of course, as we have seen many times, the Jewish (many of them 19th Century Zionist) dreamed of their culture returning to their point of origin; the Kingdom of Israel, with its capital in Jerusalem, founded by King David (or so the legend goes, from the time period recorded in the Book of Numbers).

The Arabs understood the national aspirations of both sides. However, the concept of the "Jewish State" (if it was not made crystal clear prior) was directly articulated by the UN General Assembly when it adopted Resolution of 29 November 1947, in which it was explicitly stated: "The boundaries of the Arab State, the Jewish State, and the City of Jerusalem shall be as described in parts II and III below." (Part I --- Section "A" Termination of Mandate, Partition, and Independence --- Paragraph 3 --- Resolution 181(II)]

Surely, if there is a fault to be assigned, it cannot be exclusively laid at the feet of Israel. But neither should this trouble the Arab Palestinians. As they so often remind us, all peoples have the right of self-determination; with the Jewish State being a consequence of that adopted concept. After all, there is 57 member nations in the Organization of the Islamic Conference. There is but only one Jewish State.

Most Respectfully,
R