No, slavery was not the reason for the 2nd Amendment, they even have to lie about this...facts don't support anything they believe.

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I can't find the exact idiot, but one of the anti-gun extremists in a different thread posted an alleged quote by Madison or one of the other Founders saying that they needed slave patrols or something.......all in an attempt to smear the Founders and the 2nd Amendment as supporting slavery, when, in fact....gun control, not the 2nd Amendment, supported slavery and racism...

But to make the claim that the Second Amendment was added to the Constitution to placate slave owners, Anderson is impelled to take numerous shortcuts. Take, for example, this pivotal sentence in the book:

“In short, James Madison, the Virginian, knew ‘that the militia’s prime function in his state, and throughout the south, was slave control.’”

The author frames the quote as if Madison, the author of the Bill of Rights, had said it himself — or, if we’re being generous, that it’s a fair representation of his views. When you follow the book’s endnote, however, it leads to a 1998 paper titled “The Hidden History of the Second Amendment,” written by anti-gun activist Carl T. Bogus, who shares Anderson’s thesis. It is his quote. Nowhere does Bogus offer any sample of Madison declaring, or even implying, that slave control was the impetus for the Second Amendment.
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After all, gun control was inextricably tied to racism in the 19th and 20th centuries.

In 1834, the State of Tennessee revised its constitution from “That the freemen of this State have a right to keep and to bear arms for their common defence” to “That the free white men of this State have a right to keep and to bear arms for their common defence.” A number of Southern states followed suit.

Which is one of the reasons that Michigan senator Jacob Howard, when introducing the 14th Amendment ensuring that the constitutional rights of blacks in the South were protected, specifically pointed to “the personal rights guaranteed and secured by the first eight amendments to the Constitution,” as in the freedom of speech and of the press and “the right to bear arms” (italics mine).
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Fredrick Douglass reacted to the Fugitive Slave Act of 1850 by editorializing that the best remedy would be “a good revolver, a steady hand, and a determination to shoot down any man attempting to kidnap.” The late-19th-century civil-rights leader Ida B. Wells argued that one of the lessons of the post–Civil War era, “which every Afro American should ponder well, is that a Winchester rifle should have a place of honor in every black home, and it should be used for that protection which the law refuses to give.” T. Thomas Fortune, another black civil-rights activist of the era, argued that it was with a Winchester that the black man could “defend his home and children and wife.”


The anti-gun extremists...whether the simple, irrational anti-gunners or the marxists trying to disarm future Americans they wish to one day control and purge....do not have facts, truth or reality on their side....so they use emotion and lies to push their agenda...
 
I hope you folks spend at least a fraction of the time doing something that actually makes as difference as you do on here trying to convince the lost that they are wrong when they couldn't care less.

You sure put a LOT of energy into this. What difference has it made ?

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I can't find the exact idiot, but one of the anti-gun extremists in a different thread posted an alleged quote by Madison or one of the other Founders saying that they needed slave patrols or something.......all in an attempt to smear the Founders and the 2nd Amendment as supporting slavery, when, in fact....gun control, not the 2nd Amendment, supported slavery and racism...

But to make the claim that the Second Amendment was added to the Constitution to placate slave owners, Anderson is impelled to take numerous shortcuts. Take, for example, this pivotal sentence in the book:

“In short, James Madison, the Virginian, knew ‘that the militia’s prime function in his state, and throughout the south, was slave control.’”

The author frames the quote as if Madison, the author of the Bill of Rights, had said it himself — or, if we’re being generous, that it’s a fair representation of his views. When you follow the book’s endnote, however, it leads to a 1998 paper titled “The Hidden History of the Second Amendment,” written by anti-gun activist Carl T. Bogus, who shares Anderson’s thesis. It is his quote. Nowhere does Bogus offer any sample of Madison declaring, or even implying, that slave control was the impetus for the Second Amendment.
---------------

After all, gun control was inextricably tied to racism in the 19th and 20th centuries.

In 1834, the State of Tennessee revised its constitution from “That the freemen of this State have a right to keep and to bear arms for their common defence” to “That the free white men of this State have a right to keep and to bear arms for their common defence.” A number of Southern states followed suit.

Which is one of the reasons that Michigan senator Jacob Howard, when introducing the 14th Amendment ensuring that the constitutional rights of blacks in the South were protected, specifically pointed to “the personal rights guaranteed and secured by the first eight amendments to the Constitution,” as in the freedom of speech and of the press and “the right to bear arms” (italics mine).
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Fredrick Douglass reacted to the Fugitive Slave Act of 1850 by editorializing that the best remedy would be “a good revolver, a steady hand, and a determination to shoot down any man attempting to kidnap.” The late-19th-century civil-rights leader Ida B. Wells argued that one of the lessons of the post–Civil War era, “which every Afro American should ponder well, is that a Winchester rifle should have a place of honor in every black home, and it should be used for that protection which the law refuses to give.” T. Thomas Fortune, another black civil-rights activist of the era, argued that it was with a Winchester that the black man could “defend his home and children and wife.”


The anti-gun extremists...whether the simple, irrational anti-gunners or the marxists trying to disarm future Americans they wish to one day control and purge....do not have facts, truth or reality on their side....so they use emotion and lies to push their agenda...

I'm really drawing a blank on what sort of difference that's supposed to make now, anyway. Do they really think telling black people, "Give up your right to own guns because only white people owned them 200 years ago, so owning a gun is racist!!!" is going to work? I have serious trouble believing that black citizens who live in high-crime neighborhoods - or anywhere else, really - are actually going to eschew guns and gun ownership as symbols of white supremacy.
 
I can't find the exact idiot, but one of the anti-gun extremists in a different thread posted an alleged quote by Madison or one of the other Founders saying that they needed slave patrols or something.......all in an attempt to smear the Founders and the 2nd Amendment as supporting slavery, when, in fact....gun control, not the 2nd Amendment, supported slavery and racism...

But to make the claim that the Second Amendment was added to the Constitution to placate slave owners, Anderson is impelled to take numerous shortcuts. Take, for example, this pivotal sentence in the book:

“In short, James Madison, the Virginian, knew ‘that the militia’s prime function in his state, and throughout the south, was slave control.’”

The author frames the quote as if Madison, the author of the Bill of Rights, had said it himself — or, if we’re being generous, that it’s a fair representation of his views. When you follow the book’s endnote, however, it leads to a 1998 paper titled “The Hidden History of the Second Amendment,” written by anti-gun activist Carl T. Bogus, who shares Anderson’s thesis. It is his quote. Nowhere does Bogus offer any sample of Madison declaring, or even implying, that slave control was the impetus for the Second Amendment.
---------------

After all, gun control was inextricably tied to racism in the 19th and 20th centuries.

In 1834, the State of Tennessee revised its constitution from “That the freemen of this State have a right to keep and to bear arms for their common defence” to “That the free white men of this State have a right to keep and to bear arms for their common defence.” A number of Southern states followed suit.

Which is one of the reasons that Michigan senator Jacob Howard, when introducing the 14th Amendment ensuring that the constitutional rights of blacks in the South were protected, specifically pointed to “the personal rights guaranteed and secured by the first eight amendments to the Constitution,” as in the freedom of speech and of the press and “the right to bear arms” (italics mine).
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Fredrick Douglass reacted to the Fugitive Slave Act of 1850 by editorializing that the best remedy would be “a good revolver, a steady hand, and a determination to shoot down any man attempting to kidnap.” The late-19th-century civil-rights leader Ida B. Wells argued that one of the lessons of the post–Civil War era, “which every Afro American should ponder well, is that a Winchester rifle should have a place of honor in every black home, and it should be used for that protection which the law refuses to give.” T. Thomas Fortune, another black civil-rights activist of the era, argued that it was with a Winchester that the black man could “defend his home and children and wife.”


The anti-gun extremists...whether the simple, irrational anti-gunners or the marxists trying to disarm future Americans they wish to one day control and purge....do not have facts, truth or reality on their side....so they use emotion and lies to push their agenda...

I'm really drawing a blank on what sort of difference that's supposed to make now, anyway. Do they really think telling black people, "Give up your right to own guns because only white people owned them 200 years ago, so owning a gun is racist!!!" is going to work? I have serious trouble believing that black citizens who live in high-crime neighborhoods - or anywhere else, really - are actually going to eschew guns and gun ownership as symbols of white supremacy.

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The more I think about this, the more stupid it gets. There are whole rafts of things which were once restricted to only one group (usually white men) in the bad ol' days. For example, I don't see anyone suggesting that voting should be done away with because it was "founded in misogyny and racism", even though nearly all women and black people were unable to vote for most of our nation's history. We have the right to vote NOW, so who gives a rat's ass who did and didn't have it back at the beginning? Likewise, black people are just as free to legally purchase a gun as anyone else is, so what fucking difference does it make if they did 200 years ago?
 
Before this, I had never heard a liberal claim that the second amendment was pro-slavery. The things that conservatives invent to reinforce their victimhood.

I have, however, heard of how pro-gun control Ronald Reagan and the NRA were when the Black Panthers started arming themselves.
Our victim hood?
That's rich!!!!LOLOLOLOL
 
I hope you folks spend at least a fraction of the time doing something that actually makes as difference as you do on here trying to convince the lost that they are wrong when they couldn't care less.

You sure put a LOT of energy into this. What difference has it made ?

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I can't find the exact idiot, but one of the anti-gun extremists in a different thread posted an alleged quote by Madison or one of the other Founders saying that they needed slave patrols or something.......all in an attempt to smear the Founders and the 2nd Amendment as supporting slavery, when, in fact....gun control, not the 2nd Amendment, supported slavery and racism...

But to make the claim that the Second Amendment was added to the Constitution to placate slave owners, Anderson is impelled to take numerous shortcuts. Take, for example, this pivotal sentence in the book:

“In short, James Madison, the Virginian, knew ‘that the militia’s prime function in his state, and throughout the south, was slave control.’”

The author frames the quote as if Madison, the author of the Bill of Rights, had said it himself — or, if we’re being generous, that it’s a fair representation of his views. When you follow the book’s endnote, however, it leads to a 1998 paper titled “The Hidden History of the Second Amendment,” written by anti-gun activist Carl T. Bogus, who shares Anderson’s thesis. It is his quote. Nowhere does Bogus offer any sample of Madison declaring, or even implying, that slave control was the impetus for the Second Amendment.
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After all, gun control was inextricably tied to racism in the 19th and 20th centuries.

In 1834, the State of Tennessee revised its constitution from “That the freemen of this State have a right to keep and to bear arms for their common defence” to “That the free white men of this State have a right to keep and to bear arms for their common defence.” A number of Southern states followed suit.

Which is one of the reasons that Michigan senator Jacob Howard, when introducing the 14th Amendment ensuring that the constitutional rights of blacks in the South were protected, specifically pointed to “the personal rights guaranteed and secured by the first eight amendments to the Constitution,” as in the freedom of speech and of the press and “the right to bear arms” (italics mine).
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Fredrick Douglass reacted to the Fugitive Slave Act of 1850 by editorializing that the best remedy would be “a good revolver, a steady hand, and a determination to shoot down any man attempting to kidnap.” The late-19th-century civil-rights leader Ida B. Wells argued that one of the lessons of the post–Civil War era, “which every Afro American should ponder well, is that a Winchester rifle should have a place of honor in every black home, and it should be used for that protection which the law refuses to give.” T. Thomas Fortune, another black civil-rights activist of the era, argued that it was with a Winchester that the black man could “defend his home and children and wife.”


The anti-gun extremists...whether the simple, irrational anti-gunners or the marxists trying to disarm future Americans they wish to one day control and purge....do not have facts, truth or reality on their side....so they use emotion and lies to push their agenda...

I'm really drawing a blank on what sort of difference that's supposed to make now, anyway. Do they really think telling black people, "Give up your right to own guns because only white people owned them 200 years ago, so owning a gun is racist!!!" is going to work? I have serious trouble believing that black citizens who live in high-crime neighborhoods - or anywhere else, really - are actually going to eschew guns and gun ownership as symbols of white supremacy.

CONTINUATION:

The more I think about this, the more stupid it gets. There are whole rafts of things which were once restricted to only one group (usually white men) in the bad ol' days. For example, I don't see anyone suggesting that voting should be done away with because it was "founded in misogyny and racism", even though nearly all women and black people were unable to vote for most of our nation's history. We have the right to vote NOW, so who gives a rat's ass who did and didn't have it back at the beginning? Likewise, black people are just as free to legally purchase a gun as anyone else is, so what fucking difference does it make if they did 200 years ago?
the left is desperate to keep this racism thing going...what else have they got??? thats right,not a damned thing except maybe the totally bogus unproved climate change horseshit
 
I can't find the exact idiot, but one of the anti-gun extremists in a different thread posted an alleged quote by Madison or one of the other Founders saying that they needed slave patrols or something.......all in an attempt to smear the Founders and the 2nd Amendment as supporting slavery, when, in fact....gun control, not the 2nd Amendment, supported slavery and racism...

But to make the claim that the Second Amendment was added to the Constitution to placate slave owners, Anderson is impelled to take numerous shortcuts. Take, for example, this pivotal sentence in the book:

“In short, James Madison, the Virginian, knew ‘that the militia’s prime function in his state, and throughout the south, was slave control.’”

The author frames the quote as if Madison, the author of the Bill of Rights, had said it himself — or, if we’re being generous, that it’s a fair representation of his views. When you follow the book’s endnote, however, it leads to a 1998 paper titled “The Hidden History of the Second Amendment,” written by anti-gun activist Carl T. Bogus, who shares Anderson’s thesis. It is his quote. Nowhere does Bogus offer any sample of Madison declaring, or even implying, that slave control was the impetus for the Second Amendment.
---------------

After all, gun control was inextricably tied to racism in the 19th and 20th centuries.

In 1834, the State of Tennessee revised its constitution from “That the freemen of this State have a right to keep and to bear arms for their common defence” to “That the free white men of this State have a right to keep and to bear arms for their common defence.” A number of Southern states followed suit.

Which is one of the reasons that Michigan senator Jacob Howard, when introducing the 14th Amendment ensuring that the constitutional rights of blacks in the South were protected, specifically pointed to “the personal rights guaranteed and secured by the first eight amendments to the Constitution,” as in the freedom of speech and of the press and “the right to bear arms” (italics mine).
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Fredrick Douglass reacted to the Fugitive Slave Act of 1850 by editorializing that the best remedy would be “a good revolver, a steady hand, and a determination to shoot down any man attempting to kidnap.” The late-19th-century civil-rights leader Ida B. Wells argued that one of the lessons of the post–Civil War era, “which every Afro American should ponder well, is that a Winchester rifle should have a place of honor in every black home, and it should be used for that protection which the law refuses to give.” T. Thomas Fortune, another black civil-rights activist of the era, argued that it was with a Winchester that the black man could “defend his home and children and wife.”


The anti-gun extremists...whether the simple, irrational anti-gunners or the marxists trying to disarm future Americans they wish to one day control and purge....do not have facts, truth or reality on their side....so they use emotion and lies to push their agenda...
Wrong.

‘Public-carry advocates like to cite historical court opinions to support their constitutional vision, but those opinions are, to put it mildly, highly problematic. The supportive precedent they rely on comes from the antebellum South and represented less a national consensus than a regional exception rooted in the unique culture of slavery and honor. By focusing only on sympathetic precedent, and ignoring the national picture, gun-rights advocates find themselves venerating a moment at which slavery, honor, violence, and the public carrying of weapons were intertwined.

[…]

Southern men thus carried weapons both “as a protection against the slaves” and also to be prepared for “quarrels between freemen.”’

 
Before this, I had never heard a liberal claim that the second amendment was pro-slavery. The things that conservatives invent to reinforce their victimhood.

I have, however, heard of how pro-gun control Ronald Reagan and the NRA were when the Black Panthers started arming themselves.


They didn't invent this.....as the article points out, the left wing, anti-gun extremists are now writing books and articles on the 2nd Amendment being racist....this is a response to their attacks.......

Yes...go back to the 1960s...... that is what you have since the actual truth, facts and reality do not support any of your anti-gun beliefs.
 
Before this, I had never heard a liberal claim that the second amendment was pro-slavery. The things that conservatives invent to reinforce their victimhood.
I heard it on this very forum YESTERDAY!!!!


Yep....my thread here is in response to another poster who cited the James Madison lie in another Thread and stated the poster stated the 2nd Amendment was racist and because of slavery...I didn't want to have to try to find that specific post again, so I responded to that, with this...
 
I can't find the exact idiot, but one of the anti-gun extremists in a different thread posted an alleged quote by Madison or one of the other Founders saying that they needed slave patrols or something.......all in an attempt to smear the Founders and the 2nd Amendment as supporting slavery, when, in fact....gun control, not the 2nd Amendment, supported slavery and racism...

But to make the claim that the Second Amendment was added to the Constitution to placate slave owners, Anderson is impelled to take numerous shortcuts. Take, for example, this pivotal sentence in the book:

“In short, James Madison, the Virginian, knew ‘that the militia’s prime function in his state, and throughout the south, was slave control.’”

The author frames the quote as if Madison, the author of the Bill of Rights, had said it himself — or, if we’re being generous, that it’s a fair representation of his views. When you follow the book’s endnote, however, it leads to a 1998 paper titled “The Hidden History of the Second Amendment,” written by anti-gun activist Carl T. Bogus, who shares Anderson’s thesis. It is his quote. Nowhere does Bogus offer any sample of Madison declaring, or even implying, that slave control was the impetus for the Second Amendment.
---------------

After all, gun control was inextricably tied to racism in the 19th and 20th centuries.

In 1834, the State of Tennessee revised its constitution from “That the freemen of this State have a right to keep and to bear arms for their common defence” to “That the free white men of this State have a right to keep and to bear arms for their common defence.” A number of Southern states followed suit.

Which is one of the reasons that Michigan senator Jacob Howard, when introducing the 14th Amendment ensuring that the constitutional rights of blacks in the South were protected, specifically pointed to “the personal rights guaranteed and secured by the first eight amendments to the Constitution,” as in the freedom of speech and of the press and “the right to bear arms” (italics mine).
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Fredrick Douglass reacted to the Fugitive Slave Act of 1850 by editorializing that the best remedy would be “a good revolver, a steady hand, and a determination to shoot down any man attempting to kidnap.” The late-19th-century civil-rights leader Ida B. Wells argued that one of the lessons of the post–Civil War era, “which every Afro American should ponder well, is that a Winchester rifle should have a place of honor in every black home, and it should be used for that protection which the law refuses to give.” T. Thomas Fortune, another black civil-rights activist of the era, argued that it was with a Winchester that the black man could “defend his home and children and wife.”


The anti-gun extremists...whether the simple, irrational anti-gunners or the marxists trying to disarm future Americans they wish to one day control and purge....do not have facts, truth or reality on their side....so they use emotion and lies to push their agenda...
Wrong.

‘Public-carry advocates like to cite historical court opinions to support their constitutional vision, but those opinions are, to put it mildly, highly problematic. The supportive precedent they rely on comes from the antebellum South and represented less a national consensus than a regional exception rooted in the unique culture of slavery and honor. By focusing only on sympathetic precedent, and ignoring the national picture, gun-rights advocates find themselves venerating a moment at which slavery, honor, violence, and the public carrying of weapons were intertwined.

[…]

Southern men thus carried weapons both “as a protection against the slaves” and also to be prepared for “quarrels between freemen.”’



And clayton cites the very lie that I posted about in post #1............

And the idiot didn't read the article from my first post...showing that what they cite is just Bullshit...
 
I can't find the exact idiot, but one of the anti-gun extremists in a different thread posted an alleged quote by Madison or one of the other Founders saying that they needed slave patrols or something.......all in an attempt to smear the Founders and the 2nd Amendment as supporting slavery, when, in fact....gun control, not the 2nd Amendment, supported slavery and racism...

But to make the claim that the Second Amendment was added to the Constitution to placate slave owners, Anderson is impelled to take numerous shortcuts. Take, for example, this pivotal sentence in the book:

“In short, James Madison, the Virginian, knew ‘that the militia’s prime function in his state, and throughout the south, was slave control.’”

The author frames the quote as if Madison, the author of the Bill of Rights, had said it himself — or, if we’re being generous, that it’s a fair representation of his views. When you follow the book’s endnote, however, it leads to a 1998 paper titled “The Hidden History of the Second Amendment,” written by anti-gun activist Carl T. Bogus, who shares Anderson’s thesis. It is his quote. Nowhere does Bogus offer any sample of Madison declaring, or even implying, that slave control was the impetus for the Second Amendment.
---------------

After all, gun control was inextricably tied to racism in the 19th and 20th centuries.

In 1834, the State of Tennessee revised its constitution from “That the freemen of this State have a right to keep and to bear arms for their common defence” to “That the free white men of this State have a right to keep and to bear arms for their common defence.” A number of Southern states followed suit.

Which is one of the reasons that Michigan senator Jacob Howard, when introducing the 14th Amendment ensuring that the constitutional rights of blacks in the South were protected, specifically pointed to “the personal rights guaranteed and secured by the first eight amendments to the Constitution,” as in the freedom of speech and of the press and “the right to bear arms” (italics mine).
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Fredrick Douglass reacted to the Fugitive Slave Act of 1850 by editorializing that the best remedy would be “a good revolver, a steady hand, and a determination to shoot down any man attempting to kidnap.” The late-19th-century civil-rights leader Ida B. Wells argued that one of the lessons of the post–Civil War era, “which every Afro American should ponder well, is that a Winchester rifle should have a place of honor in every black home, and it should be used for that protection which the law refuses to give.” T. Thomas Fortune, another black civil-rights activist of the era, argued that it was with a Winchester that the black man could “defend his home and children and wife.”


The anti-gun extremists...whether the simple, irrational anti-gunners or the marxists trying to disarm future Americans they wish to one day control and purge....do not have facts, truth or reality on their side....so they use emotion and lies to push their agenda...southern delegates
The Constitution was, in large part, written by slave owners. Its basic construction was heavily influenced by the Southern delegates. The 2nd was different things to different people. To the more Radical, it was a check on Govt.--to the plantation owner, it was legal justification for gunning up and chasing slaves..and regular criminals as well..to be fair.

Your last paragraph is a joke. If every black man in 1870 owned a rifle and was prepared to use it..we would have wiped them out. Genocide and/or forced migration.
 
I can't find the exact idiot, but one of the anti-gun extremists in a different thread posted an alleged quote by Madison or one of the other Founders saying that they needed slave patrols or something.......all in an attempt to smear the Founders and the 2nd Amendment as supporting slavery, when, in fact....gun control, not the 2nd Amendment, supported slavery and racism...

But to make the claim that the Second Amendment was added to the Constitution to placate slave owners, Anderson is impelled to take numerous shortcuts. Take, for example, this pivotal sentence in the book:

“In short, James Madison, the Virginian, knew ‘that the militia’s prime function in his state, and throughout the south, was slave control.’”

The author frames the quote as if Madison, the author of the Bill of Rights, had said it himself — or, if we’re being generous, that it’s a fair representation of his views. When you follow the book’s endnote, however, it leads to a 1998 paper titled “The Hidden History of the Second Amendment,” written by anti-gun activist Carl T. Bogus, who shares Anderson’s thesis. It is his quote. Nowhere does Bogus offer any sample of Madison declaring, or even implying, that slave control was the impetus for the Second Amendment.
---------------

After all, gun control was inextricably tied to racism in the 19th and 20th centuries.

In 1834, the State of Tennessee revised its constitution from “That the freemen of this State have a right to keep and to bear arms for their common defence” to “That the free white men of this State have a right to keep and to bear arms for their common defence.” A number of Southern states followed suit.

Which is one of the reasons that Michigan senator Jacob Howard, when introducing the 14th Amendment ensuring that the constitutional rights of blacks in the South were protected, specifically pointed to “the personal rights guaranteed and secured by the first eight amendments to the Constitution,” as in the freedom of speech and of the press and “the right to bear arms” (italics mine).
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Fredrick Douglass reacted to the Fugitive Slave Act of 1850 by editorializing that the best remedy would be “a good revolver, a steady hand, and a determination to shoot down any man attempting to kidnap.” The late-19th-century civil-rights leader Ida B. Wells argued that one of the lessons of the post–Civil War era, “which every Afro American should ponder well, is that a Winchester rifle should have a place of honor in every black home, and it should be used for that protection which the law refuses to give.” T. Thomas Fortune, another black civil-rights activist of the era, argued that it was with a Winchester that the black man could “defend his home and children and wife.”


The anti-gun extremists...whether the simple, irrational anti-gunners or the marxists trying to disarm future Americans they wish to one day control and purge....do not have facts, truth or reality on their side....so they use emotion and lies to push their agenda...southern delegates
The Constitution was, in large part, written by slave owners. Its basic construction was heavily influenced by the Southern delegates. The 2nd was different things to different people. To the more Radical, it was a check on Govt.--to the plantation owner, it was legal justification for gunning up and chasing slaves..and regular criminals as well..to be fair.

Your last paragraph is a joke. If every black man in 1870 owned a rifle and was prepared to use it..we would have wiped them out. Genocide and/or forced migration.

Moron, the 2nd had nothing to do with owning slaves....you idiot. The Constitution checked the power of the slave colonies, and ended the slave trade. The slave owners then went on to become the democrat party that we know as the racist, violent party it is today...
 
I can't find the exact idiot, but one of the anti-gun extremists in a different thread posted an alleged quote by Madison or one of the other Founders saying that they needed slave patrols or something.......all in an attempt to smear the Founders and the 2nd Amendment as supporting slavery, when, in fact....gun control, not the 2nd Amendment, supported slavery and racism...

But to make the claim that the Second Amendment was added to the Constitution to placate slave owners, Anderson is impelled to take numerous shortcuts. Take, for example, this pivotal sentence in the book:

“In short, James Madison, the Virginian, knew ‘that the militia’s prime function in his state, and throughout the south, was slave control.’”

The author frames the quote as if Madison, the author of the Bill of Rights, had said it himself — or, if we’re being generous, that it’s a fair representation of his views. When you follow the book’s endnote, however, it leads to a 1998 paper titled “The Hidden History of the Second Amendment,” written by anti-gun activist Carl T. Bogus, who shares Anderson’s thesis. It is his quote. Nowhere does Bogus offer any sample of Madison declaring, or even implying, that slave control was the impetus for the Second Amendment.
---------------

After all, gun control was inextricably tied to racism in the 19th and 20th centuries.

In 1834, the State of Tennessee revised its constitution from “That the freemen of this State have a right to keep and to bear arms for their common defence” to “That the free white men of this State have a right to keep and to bear arms for their common defence.” A number of Southern states followed suit.

Which is one of the reasons that Michigan senator Jacob Howard, when introducing the 14th Amendment ensuring that the constitutional rights of blacks in the South were protected, specifically pointed to “the personal rights guaranteed and secured by the first eight amendments to the Constitution,” as in the freedom of speech and of the press and “the right to bear arms” (italics mine).
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Fredrick Douglass reacted to the Fugitive Slave Act of 1850 by editorializing that the best remedy would be “a good revolver, a steady hand, and a determination to shoot down any man attempting to kidnap.” The late-19th-century civil-rights leader Ida B. Wells argued that one of the lessons of the post–Civil War era, “which every Afro American should ponder well, is that a Winchester rifle should have a place of honor in every black home, and it should be used for that protection which the law refuses to give.” T. Thomas Fortune, another black civil-rights activist of the era, argued that it was with a Winchester that the black man could “defend his home and children and wife.”


The anti-gun extremists...whether the simple, irrational anti-gunners or the marxists trying to disarm future Americans they wish to one day control and purge....do not have facts, truth or reality on their side....so they use emotion and lies to push their agenda...southern delegates
The Constitution was, in large part, written by slave owners. Its basic construction was heavily influenced by the Southern delegates. The 2nd was different things to different people. To the more Radical, it was a check on Govt.--to the plantation owner, it was legal justification for gunning up and chasing slaves..and regular criminals as well..to be fair.

Your last paragraph is a joke. If every black man in 1870 owned a rifle and was prepared to use it..we would have wiped them out. Genocide and/or forced migration.

Moron, the 2nd had nothing to do with owning slaves....you idiot. The Constitution checked the power of the slave colonies, and ended the slave trade. The slave owners then went on to become the democrat party that we know as the racist, violent party it is today...
Still as stupid as always. The Constitution codified slavery...and far from checking the slavery states, it empowered them by counting slaves for purposes of representation. The slave trade, legal or not..continued until the Civil War. The legal trade ended in 1807 with the passage of the Slave Trade Act. No Constitutional action was taken or required.
 
I can't find the exact idiot, but one of the anti-gun extremists in a different thread posted an alleged quote by Madison or one of the other Founders saying that they needed slave patrols or something.......all in an attempt to smear the Founders and the 2nd Amendment as supporting slavery, when, in fact....gun control, not the 2nd Amendment, supported slavery and racism...

But to make the claim that the Second Amendment was added to the Constitution to placate slave owners, Anderson is impelled to take numerous shortcuts. Take, for example, this pivotal sentence in the book:

“In short, James Madison, the Virginian, knew ‘that the militia’s prime function in his state, and throughout the south, was slave control.’”

The author frames the quote as if Madison, the author of the Bill of Rights, had said it himself — or, if we’re being generous, that it’s a fair representation of his views. When you follow the book’s endnote, however, it leads to a 1998 paper titled “The Hidden History of the Second Amendment,” written by anti-gun activist Carl T. Bogus, who shares Anderson’s thesis. It is his quote. Nowhere does Bogus offer any sample of Madison declaring, or even implying, that slave control was the impetus for the Second Amendment.
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After all, gun control was inextricably tied to racism in the 19th and 20th centuries.

In 1834, the State of Tennessee revised its constitution from “That the freemen of this State have a right to keep and to bear arms for their common defence” to “That the free white men of this State have a right to keep and to bear arms for their common defence.” A number of Southern states followed suit.

Which is one of the reasons that Michigan senator Jacob Howard, when introducing the 14th Amendment ensuring that the constitutional rights of blacks in the South were protected, specifically pointed to “the personal rights guaranteed and secured by the first eight amendments to the Constitution,” as in the freedom of speech and of the press and “the right to bear arms” (italics mine).
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Fredrick Douglass reacted to the Fugitive Slave Act of 1850 by editorializing that the best remedy would be “a good revolver, a steady hand, and a determination to shoot down any man attempting to kidnap.” The late-19th-century civil-rights leader Ida B. Wells argued that one of the lessons of the post–Civil War era, “which every Afro American should ponder well, is that a Winchester rifle should have a place of honor in every black home, and it should be used for that protection which the law refuses to give.” T. Thomas Fortune, another black civil-rights activist of the era, argued that it was with a Winchester that the black man could “defend his home and children and wife.”


The anti-gun extremists...whether the simple, irrational anti-gunners or the marxists trying to disarm future Americans they wish to one day control and purge....do not have facts, truth or reality on their side....so they use emotion and lies to push their agenda...southern delegates
The Constitution was, in large part, written by slave owners. Its basic construction was heavily influenced by the Southern delegates. The 2nd was different things to different people. To the more Radical, it was a check on Govt.--to the plantation owner, it was legal justification for gunning up and chasing slaves..and regular criminals as well..to be fair.

Your last paragraph is a joke. If every black man in 1870 owned a rifle and was prepared to use it..we would have wiped them out. Genocide and/or forced migration.

Moron, the 2nd had nothing to do with owning slaves....you idiot. The Constitution checked the power of the slave colonies, and ended the slave trade. The slave owners then went on to become the democrat party that we know as the racist, violent party it is today...
Still as stupid as always. The Constitution codified slavery...and far from checking the slavery states, it empowered them by counting slaves for purposes of representation. The slave trade, legal or not..continued until the Civil War. The legal trade ended in 1807 with the passage of the Slave Trade Act. No Constitutional action was taken or required.


You are an idiot......having to deal with the group that would later become the democrat party, they needed to keep Britain out, so a compromise with the future democrats had to be made......it ended the slave trade and cut the power of the slave states, you idiot....
 

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