Occupied Ukraine Territory: Lost Forever

[GLASNOST]

What is Ukraine’s destiny? When the smoke has cleared Ukraine will be screwed and the Ukraine leadership has no one to blame but itself.

 

[LuckyDuck01!]

Ukraine became a separate nation from the Old Soviet Union in 1991. Once separate, they had the right to go their own way and elect who they wished for leadership.
So, if you were the leader of some (any) nation and Russia or some other nation amassed troops and armor on your border, you would wave a white flag and say, "we surrender," rather than fight to maintain your independence?

 

[GLASNOST]

Ukraine became a separate nation from the Old Soviet Union in 1991.

Not exactly. It was awarded an indpendaent status BY THE SOVIET UNION within the Soviet Union.

Once separate, they had the right to go their own way and elect who they wished for leadership.

Yes! And then they were dupped by a CIA political coup that overthrew the elected leader of their country.

So, if you were the leader of some (any) nation and Russia or some other nation

Such as the US/NATO?

amassed troops and armor on your border, you would wave a white flag and say, "we surrender," rather than fight to maintain your independence?

I would fight to maintain my independence rather than to allow the US/NATO take over my country and rule it. What about you? What would you do?

 

[LuckyDuck01!]

Not exactly. It was awarded an indpendaent status BY THE SOVIET UNION within the Soviet Union.

Yes! And then they were dupped by a CIA political coup that overthrew the elected leader of their country.

Such as the US/NATO?

I would fight to maintain my independence rather than to allow the US/NATO take over my country and rule it. What about you? What would you do?

Your own operative word, Russia granted Ukraine, INDEPENDENCE. Independence means they no longer control who you elect. Zelensky was "voted in by his own people," so he's their legitimate leader. Whether you like it or not.
As to what I would do if I ran a nation that was threatened by a neighboring nation, I'd go to war. Win or lose, at least if you fight, you're not some coward for your enemy to walk over.

 

[luiza]

Ukraine became a separate nation from the Old Soviet Union in 1991. Once separate, they had the right to go their own way and elect who they wished for leadership.
So, if you were the leader of some (any) nation and Russia or some other nation amassed troops and armor on your border, you would wave a white flag and say, "we surrender," rather than fight to maintain your independence?

Precisely what Russia refused to do after Donbass had been attacked every day for 8 years and by February 2022 were faced by 200 000 US financed and equipped soldiers ready to invade .

The Russians refused to bow and scrape , unlike the Nazi Ukraine government that allowed the US colour regime change in the Maidan , February 18-23, 2014 .

 

[GLASNOST]

Your own operative word, Russia granted Ukraine, INDEPENDENCE.

Or whatever internal terminology applied at the time.

Independence means they no longer control who you elect.

Maybe.

Zelensky was "voted in by his own people,"

No, not true. Ukarine's "own people" elected someone else. The CIA had him tossed out by a political coup in the same way they did in Iran, Vietnam, and several Latin Amerian countries. As

luiza has just stated, “Maidan , February 18-23, 2014”​

so he's their legitimate leader.

No Zoolinsky is not Ukraine's legitimate leader. He is the CIA/MIC puppet .... and in fact he has disallowed Democratic elections all-together and he is no longer "in term". Are you really so dumb that you don't know that or are you just an Unlucky Duck?

As to what I would do if I ran a nation that was threatened by a neighboring nation, I'd go to war. Win or lose, at least if you fight, you're not some coward for your enemy to walk over.

Well, in that case you should quit being "some coward" and declare war on the US, "win or lose" and support your nation.

I am guessing that you about 18-years-old and you have no experience in life or the world. You poor boy.

 

[1srelluc]

Your own operative word, Russia granted Ukraine, INDEPENDENCE. Independence means they no longer control who you elect. Zelensky was "voted in by his own people," so he's their legitimate leader. Whether you like it or not.
As to what I would do if I ran a nation that was threatened by a neighboring nation, I'd go to war. Win or lose, at least if you fight, you're not some coward for your enemy to walk over.

Well, it's not like they can vote him out since he suspended elections.

 

[GLASNOST]

Well, it's not like they can vote him out since he suspended elections.

Good point! Maybe he can organize a survey instead. If the majority want him to remain he can call it an election but if the people don't want him back he can toss the results in the rubbish bin and keep the ban on-going.

 

[Deadstick]

Ukraine became a separate nation from the Old Soviet Union in 1991. Once separate, they had the right to go their own way and elect who they wished for leadership.
So, if you were the leader of some (any) nation and Russia or some other nation amassed troops and armor on your border, you would wave a white flag and say, "we surrender," rather than fight to maintain your independence?

They did elect who they wanted in 2010 Yanukovych but it was not who the US wanted so he was overthrown, don't you get it?

 

[Deadstick]

Your own operative word, Russia granted Ukraine, INDEPENDENCE. Independence means they no longer control who you elect. Zelensky was "voted in by his own people," so he's their legitimate leader. Whether you like it or not.
As to what I would do if I ran a nation that was threatened by a neighboring nation, I'd go to war. Win or lose, at least if you fight, you're not some coward for your enemy to walk over.

You missed years out of that nonsense, there has been no legitimate Government since the elected President Yanukovych was ousted in a western backed coup, that should be your starting point.

 

[GLASNOST]

They did elect who they wanted in 2010 Yanukovych but it was not who the US wanted so he was overthrown, don't you get it?

He's already been told twice. This makes the third time.

 

[Deadstick]

He's already been told twice. This makes the third time.

Falling on deaf ears by the look of it, he is just one of the zombified herd.

 

[Kruska]

What is Ukraine’s destiny?

Factually nothing else but as to what West-Germany's destiny had been from 1945 to 1991.

Aka, the designated battlefield for US and Soviet expansionism

 

[GLASNOST]

Falling on deaf ears by the look of it, he is just one of the zombified herd.

I think he may be a chimpanzee that's been left to run free across the tangent board.

 

[GLASNOST]

Factually nothing else but as to what West-Germany's destiny had been from 1945 to 1991.

Aka, the designated battlefield for US and Soviet expansionism

Hmmm, I'm thinking more on the lines of East-Germany.

 

[Deadstick]

Meanwhile Russian forces continue liberating more land, they seem very humanitarian allowing these guys to live, looks like they are recruiting old men for combat.

Chronicle Of The Fighting In Ukraine In Videos, 22-23 December 2024

A selection of videos showing ongoing clashes in the conflict from December 22 and December 23, 2024. Zu-23 anti-aircraft guns...

southfront.press

 

[GLASNOST]

Meanwhile Russian forces continue liberating more land, they seem very humanitarian allowing these guys to live, looks like they are recruiting old men for combat.
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Chronicle Of The Fighting In Ukraine In Videos, 22-23 December 2024

A selection of videos showing ongoing clashes in the conflict from December 22 and December 23, 2024. Zu-23 anti-aircraft guns...

southfront.press

Jesus Christ!

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Factually nothing else but as to what West-Germany's destiny had been from 1945 to 1991.

Aka, the designated battlefield for US and Soviet expansionism

Fond of Funding

It was an act of M-IC provocation to partition Berlin. Don't fall for the lies about believing the Soviets would accept that. The Cold Warriors wanted a symbol, but why should we have cared about the oppression of former Nazis.

 

[Kruska]

Fond of Funding

It was an act of M-IC provocation to partition Berlin.

It was decided by the victory powers (incl. France for some inconceivable reason) that Berlin will not become a new capital of a country who's destiny wasn't yet decided upon. Therefore 4 occupation zones - just as the rest of the remaining Germany.

but why should we have cared about the oppression of former Nazis.

Well off course not - only when the USA realized that they need a "reactivated" Germany with an industry and a military, (with all the old Nazis back in office), in order to relief the USA financially and militarily - in keeping Russia down.

Germany only managed to become an almost sovereign nation after 1991 - and it was the Russians who enabled it in the first place and hadn't placed any "demands" and restrictions - unlike our NATO buddies.
So thanks Russia - and thanks Gorbachev.

Therefore Putin must be really pissed off at Germany's politicians and their actions in regards to Ukraine.

 

[ESay]

Germany only managed to become an almost sovereign nation after 1991 - and it was the Russians who enabled it in the first place and hadn't placed any "demands" and restrictions - unlike our NATO buddies.
So thanks Russia - and thanks Gorbachev

I wonder, will Germany be able to get back its economic and political influence and get rid of their American masters.