NoNukes
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"JimCrowie"
I coined that nickname, thank you.
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"JimCrowie"
History is my life, my love, my passion.I know. I'm well versed in colonial and US history/culture up to the reconstruction and WWII but compared to her I'm an amateur.No one on this Board is as knowledgeable or objective as paperview on Civil War subjects.
If you ask her nicely, she may share here bibliographies and document downloads with you.
Yup, she is amazing, and we are fortunate to have her on the Board to share the knowledge and keep us straight with the narrative.
Lol, and you bought it or is that your sarcasm?
roflmao
Actually Paperview is a historian and works with the Civil War era, actual period documentation. It's something I had forgotten. Paper and I have had discussions in the past concerning this and she is completely correct, though rather blunt with the delivery, understandably so.
Oh and I'm a historian, sociologist and cultural anthropologist by training (school) and avid self study not to mention 2 years of psychology and biology.
Are you really making the argument that she is right due to her credentials?
Seriously?
My God, we are doomed.
I like it."JimCrowie"
I coined that nickname, thank you.
I like it."JimCrowie"
I coined that nickname, thank you.
Fits well.
Actually Paperview is a historian and works with the Civil War era, actual period documentation. It's something I had forgotten. Paper and I have had discussions in the past concerning this and she is completely correct, though rather blunt with the delivery, understandably so.
Oh and I'm a historian, sociologist and cultural anthropologist by training (school) and avid self study not to mention 2 years of psychology and biology.
Are you really making the argument that she is right due to her credentials?
Seriously?
My God, we are doomed.
Yeah..it's like letting a Doctor do the operation..instead of a faith healer.
Doomed I tells ya..doooomed.
I like it."JimCrowie"
I coined that nickname, thank you.
Fits well.
Thank you, and Happy Holidays.
I like it.
Fits well.
Thank you, and Happy Holidays.
Guess for you libtards it beats answering the fucking questions, lol.
Thank you, and Happy Holidays.
Guess for you libtards it beats answering the fucking questions, lol.
You are the one who ignores questions and replies with your Tourette rants.
Lol, and you bought it or is that your sarcasm?
roflmao
Actually Paperview is a historian and works with the Civil War era, actual period documentation. It's something I had forgotten. Paper and I have had discussions in the past concerning this and she is completely correct, though rather blunt with the delivery, understandably so.
Oh and I'm a historian, sociologist and cultural anthropologist by training (school) and avid self study not to mention 2 years of psychology and biology.
Are you really making the argument that she is right due to her credentials?
Seriously?
My God, we are doomed.
Actually Paperview is a historian and works with the Civil War era, actual period documentation. It's something I had forgotten. Paper and I have had discussions in the past concerning this and she is completely correct, though rather blunt with the delivery, understandably so.
Oh and I'm a historian, sociologist and cultural anthropologist by training (school) and avid self study not to mention 2 years of psychology and biology.
Are you really making the argument that she is right due to her credentials?
Seriously?
My God, we are doomed.
If you believe that then you really are moronically blind and highly uneducated to boot. Looks like you're basing you position on the completely discredited Southern Revisionist movement that claims the Civil War wasn't really about slavery while ignoring the fact that if slavery hadn't existed the Civil War would have never happened.
Traitors do not deserve the honor.
.
Traitors do not deserve the honor.
And yes traitors is the only word that can describe uniformed soldiers of one nation that take up arms and rebel against that nation.
These officers swore alligence to the UNITED STATES of AMERICA, not Viginia, or S Carolina etc.
They should have been hung...all of them.
Are you really making the argument that she is right due to her credentials?
Seriously?
My God, we are doomed.
If you believe that then you really are moronically blind and highly uneducated to boot. Looks like you're basing you position on the completely discredited Southern Revisionist movement that claims the Civil War wasn't really about slavery while ignoring the fact that if slavery hadn't existed the Civil War would have never happened.
Then Ringle, maybe you can explain the flaw in the logic here. Paperview has not, despite her blindingly awesome internet credentials that prove nothing in and of themselves.
Lincoln orders troops raised to invade the Deep South, then four more states rebel as well.
Lincoln invades them also, declaring his intent to restore the Union.
The South fights back, thus the war is afoot.
THREE YEARS LATER, when he thinks it wont hurt the primary cause, restoring the union, he risks the Emancipation Proclamation.
So since Lincoln invaded the South and thus was the direct cause of the war, wouldn't his motivations speak for the underlying cause of the war?
Since he did not emancipate the slaves would that not suggest that freeing the slaves was a low priority for him?
If the sole reason the South left the union was due to slavery, then why didn't the Corwin Amendment placate them? Why did Virginia, Tennessee, Arkansas and North Carolina only leave the union after Lincoln ordered them to raise troops for an invasion of the deep South?
You see I know this, that there are different types of causes for things; catalytic causes, instigating causes, necessary causes, sufficient causes, contributory causes and more.
Causality - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
But when IU see hysterians saying that SLAVERY WAS THE SOLE CAUSE OF THE CIVIL WAR it should make any critically thinking person stop and test the waters abit, as something is very fishy with such simplistic jingoistic views of complex historical causal environments in the modern world.
Ya feel me bro?
And when folks like your self make an appeal to authority as you appeared to do, it is simply mind boggling for any self respecting person to accept at face value. That is one of the very first fallacies I was taught in the various sundry critical thinking and analysis classes I have had.
Your cavalier attitude with the objective Truth is disconcerting to say the least.
lol, I doubt you will actually answer my post with any sort of seriousness, but hey, why the hell not ask anyway?
roflmao
If you believe that then you really are moronically blind and highly uneducated to boot. Looks like you're basing you position on the completely discredited Southern Revisionist movement that claims the Civil War wasn't really about slavery while ignoring the fact that if slavery hadn't existed the Civil War would have never happened.
Then Ringle, maybe you can explain the flaw in the logic here. Paperview has not, despite her blindingly awesome internet credentials that prove nothing in and of themselves.
Lincoln orders troops raised to invade the Deep South, then four more states rebel as well.
Lincoln invades them also, declaring his intent to restore the Union.
The South fights back, thus the war is afoot.
THREE YEARS LATER, when he thinks it wont hurt the primary cause, restoring the union, he risks the Emancipation Proclamation.
So since Lincoln invaded the South and thus was the direct cause of the war, wouldn't his motivations speak for the underlying cause of the war?
Since he did not emancipate the slaves would that not suggest that freeing the slaves was a low priority for him?
If the sole reason the South left the union was due to slavery, then why didn't the Corwin Amendment placate them? Why did Virginia, Tennessee, Arkansas and North Carolina only leave the union after Lincoln ordered them to raise troops for an invasion of the deep South?
You see I know this, that there are different types of causes for things; catalytic causes, instigating causes, necessary causes, sufficient causes, contributory causes and more.
Causality - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
But when IU see hysterians saying that SLAVERY WAS THE SOLE CAUSE OF THE CIVIL WAR it should make any critically thinking person stop and test the waters abit, as something is very fishy with such simplistic jingoistic views of complex historical causal environments in the modern world.
Ya feel me bro?
And when folks like your self make an appeal to authority as you appeared to do, it is simply mind boggling for any self respecting person to accept at face value. That is one of the very first fallacies I was taught in the various sundry critical thinking and analysis classes I have had.
Your cavalier attitude with the objective Truth is disconcerting to say the least.
lol, I doubt you will actually answer my post with any sort of seriousness, but hey, why the hell not ask anyway?
roflmao
Apparently in your attempt to win this argument you cherry pick facts while completely ignoring any others that don't validate your position,
Also you're obviously misinterpreting what she has said
and even worse your listed source is Wikipedia....... That speaks volumes and not in a good way.
Who fired the first shot of the Civil War? It wasn't Lincoln.
Why did the other 4 states secede after Sumter? We've already discussed the cultural makeup of the time so that answer should be obvious.
Her credentials are real as are mine and none of us have stated the SOLE REASON FOR THE WAR WAS SLAVERY, but slavery WAS the linchpin behind all the reasons.
Lincoln always claimed his reason for going to war was to preserve the Union, Emancipation was secondary and it did create some problems for him. Why did he only declare the slaves in the southern states free? Again this should be obvious but in case it's not he was a politician fighting a war, there were border states, some of which had slaves. Pretty sure he didn't want them going over to the South........
You call my response an appeal to authority, talk about being jingoistic, you couldn't be more wrong, it's an appeal to knowledge and understanding.
Again, you're so locked into your paradigm, you've blinded yourself to anything you PERCEIVE contradicts your position.
Now you can continue to be a prick about this or you can discuss it with an open mind, I'll be happy to respond in any way you wish.
Traitors do not deserve the honor.
And yes traitors is the only word that can describe uniformed soldiers of one nation that take up arms and rebel against that nation.
These officers swore alligence to the UNITED STATES of AMERICA, not Viginia, or S Carolina etc.
They should have been hung...all of them.
It was the postwar Politically Correct who allowed them to escape punishment. Lincoln paved the way with his "malice towards none" speech.
In reality, they should have been given the same rights and protections of any other traitor
Traitors do not deserve the honor.
.
Lol, now your just trolling.
You want to hang traitors, well what about those who pal around with known murderous terrorists like Bill Ayers?
Oh, but wait, he is YOUR terrorist so that's OK.
roflmao