Pumped storage on the Columbia

[Old Rocks]

Nearly the whole length of the Columbia has high ground near it. Putting a series of these along the Columbia would eliminate the need for gas peaker plants.

 

[progressive hunter]

Nearly the whole length of the Columbia has high ground near it. Putting a series of these along the Columbia would eliminate the need for gas peaker plants.

not sure how you can be an environmentalist and support these abominations scattered across the landscape,, more so when you consider the amount of birds they kill,,

 

[Old Rocks]

Nearly the whole length of the Columbia has high ground near it. Putting a series of these along the Columbia would eliminate the need for gas peaker plants.

not sure how you can be an environmentalist and support these abominations scattered across the landscape,, more so when you consider the amount of birds they kill,,

LOL OK, time to outlaw automobiles, high power lines, buildings, cats, ect. all of which kill far more birds than do windmills;

 

[progressive hunter]

Nearly the whole length of the Columbia has high ground near it. Putting a series of these along the Columbia would eliminate the need for gas peaker plants.

not sure how you can be an environmentalist and support these abominations scattered across the landscape,, more so when you consider the amount of birds they kill,,

LOL OK, time to outlaw automobiles, high power lines, buildings, cats, ect. all of which kill far more birds than do windmills;
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I'm good with that,,

 

[excalibur]

Wow, 12 hours of backup. A waste of money in a country with all our NG and coal (China is building 125,000+ megawatts of coal-fired power plants).

 

[Old Rocks]

Wow, 12 hours of backup. A waste of money in a country with all our NG and coal (China is building 125,000+ megawatts of coal-fired power plants).

Yes, 12 hours of backup. For just one unit. The Columbia is a long river and has highlands close by nearly the whole length of it. And the conservation is about peaker power.

 

[excalibur]

Wow, 12 hours of backup. A waste of money in a country with all our NG and coal (China is building 125,000+ megawatts of coal-fired power plants).

Yes, 12 hours of backup. For just one unit. The Columbia is a long river and has highlands close by nearly the whole length of it. And the conservation is about peaker power.

A waste of money in a nation with vast NG and coal resources.

 

[Old Rocks]

Wow, 12 hours of backup. A waste of money in a country with all our NG and coal (China is building 125,000+ megawatts of coal-fired power plants).

Yes, 12 hours of backup. For just one unit. The Columbia is a long river and has highlands close by nearly the whole length of it. And the conservation is about peaker power.

A waste of money in a nation with vast NG and coal resources.

At this time, natural gas and coal are a waste of money. Both will increase in price while solar and wind will continue to decrease, even with the cost of grid scale storage. They have learned that lesson in Australia.

Levelized Cost of Energy and of Storage 2020

Levelized Cost of Energy & Storage 2020 analyses are in-depth studies comparing the costs of energy and storage technologies for different applications.

www.lazard.com

 

[excalibur]

At this time, natural gas and coal are a waste of money. Both will increase in price while solar and wind will continue to decrease, even with the cost of grid scale storage. They have learned that lesson in Australia.

cost-of-energy-and-levelized-cost-of-storage-2020/[/URL]

You cannot run a grid off of solar and/or wind. Germany has realized this.

Germany To Abandon $1.1 Trillion Wind Power Program By 2019

Germany plans to stop building new wind farms by 2019, gradually turning away from its $1.1 trillion wind power program, according to a Thursday report in Berliner Zeitung.

dailycaller.com

Wind Energy Collapsing In Germany

Steve has written a number of times about Germany’s experience with wind power, which illustrates the futility of thinking that renewables can ever replace reliable energy sources like coal, …

www.powerlineblog.com

NG and coal, plus nuclear operate around the clock.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Wow, 12 hours of backup. A waste of money in a country with all our NG and coal (China is building 125,000+ megawatts of coal-fired power plants).

Yes, 12 hours of backup. For just one unit. The Columbia is a long river and has highlands close by nearly the whole length of it. And the conservation is about peaker power.

A waste of money in a nation with vast NG and coal resources.

At this time, natural gas and coal are a waste of money. Both will increase in price while solar and wind will continue to decrease, even with the cost of grid scale storage. They have learned that lesson in Australia.
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Levelized Cost of Energy and of Storage 2020

Levelized Cost of Energy & Storage 2020 analyses are in-depth studies comparing the costs of energy and storage technologies for different applications.

www.lazard.com

Is that why Germans pay 3 times what we pay? Because solar is so cheap?

 

[fncceo]

They have learned that lesson in Australia.

You should never make a claim that is so easy to check...

According to energy. Gov.au... official Australian Dept of Engery page.

Renewable energy is up less than 4% in the last 10 years.

 

[excalibur]

The Reason Renewables Can't Power Modern Civilization Is Because They Were Never Meant To

Germans believed that the billions they spent on renewables would redeem them. Many of them will insist that the renewables effort was merely “botched,” but it wasn't. The Energiewende was doomed to fail.

www.forbes.com

 

[excalibur]

https://www.bizjournals.com/portland/news/2021/02/09/green-groups-oppose-goldendale-storage.html

 

[Old Rocks]

They have learned that lesson in Australia.

You should never make a claim that is so easy to check...

According to energy. Gov.au... official Australian Dept of Engery page.

Renewable energy is up less than 4% in the last 10 years.

The lesson they have learned in Australia is how renewables and storage can decrease the cost of electricity and stabilize the grid. And that storage does not have to be batteries. It can be liquid air, pumped hydro, gravity, ect.

 

[Old Rocks]

They have learned that lesson in Australia.

You should never make a claim that is so easy to check...

According to energy. Gov.au... official Australian Dept of Engery page.

Renewable energy is up less than 4% in the last 10 years.

So, you find it necessary to tell bald faced lies. Share of renewable power by Australian state. Tasmania 99.2%, South Australia 59.2%, Victoria 27.7%, Western Australia 24.2%, New South Wales 21%, Queensland 16.6.

Australia - renewable energy penetration by state 2020 | Statista

 

[Old Rocks]

They have learned that lesson in Australia.

You should never make a claim that is so easy to check...

According to energy. Gov.au... official Australian Dept of Engery page.

Renewable energy is up less than 4% in the last 10 years.

Looks like a very much larger increase in the last ten years than 4%.

 

[Old Rocks]

https://www.bizjournals.com/portland/news/2021/02/09/green-groups-oppose-goldendale-storage.html

Well, they are flat out wrong. There is a storage pond at the bottom and top. So, other than the initial fill up and evaporative losses, there is really no downside to this type of energy storage.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

They have learned that lesson in Australia.

You should never make a claim that is so easy to check...

According to energy. Gov.au... official Australian Dept of Engery page.

Renewable energy is up less than 4% in the last 10 years.

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Looks like a very much larger increase in the last ten years than 4%.

Looks like a very much larger increase in the last ten years than 4%.

Renewables | energy.gov.au

Renewable energy sources accounted for 7% of Australian energy consumption in 2019-20. Renewable electricity generation has more than doubled over the last decade, but combustion of biomass such as firewood and bagasse (the remnant sugar cane pulp left after crushing) remains more than two...

www.energy.gov.au

Looks like 3.9%. DURR........

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Wow, 12 hours of backup. A waste of money in a country with all our NG and coal (China is building 125,000+ megawatts of coal-fired power plants).

The AGW Cult is calling for China to end all coal operations, right

 

[Oddball]

Giant whirligigs manufactured by uyghur slaves in CCP concentration camps are the bestest!