Real estate market is collapsing in Moscow 🇷🇺 empire . PRICES !

[Litwin]

cars were sold in Russia.

That's about 1year in taxi service

 

[Zavulon]

Do you read your own links?

New sales in 2025 are seen dropping by around 10% to 1.43 million units, Sergei Tselikov, head of Russian analytical agency Autostat, said in December, as high inflation and scrappage fees push prices up.

For pre-war reference - in 2021 1.67million new cars were sold in Russia.

So the only reason 2024 YoY number may seem like strong growth was due to absolutely disasterous 2022 and 2023, when only 0.6m and 1m new cars were sold.

The problem with 2022 and 2023 new car sales were problems with logistics from China. Now, the problems with logistics are solving and the Russians are buying more cars (and most of those new cars are neither European nor American). And it means, that the current level became more and more "new normal" and Russia have the opportunity to escalate.

 

[Litwin]

It's 110 rubles to a dollar now - no stopping to economic deterioration in sight.

 

[Zavulon]

Bla-bla-bla. Both statements are totally wrong.

 

[Litwin]

Bla-bla-bla. Both statements are totally wrong.

so your gazprom is doing great ?

Great News for US LNG ! Gazprom Shares Tumble to 16-Year Low as Ukraine Transit Winds Down

Just imagine what happens when oil drops to $35/bbl (as Trump has promised ) . Moscow🇷🇺 empire is badly outstretched, I just hope that Trump will not try to save it , Like Bush - Rice tried to save ussr in 1990... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_Kiev_speech...

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[Zavulon]

so your gazprom is doing great ?

Great News for US LNG ! Gazprom Shares Tumble to 16-Year Low as Ukraine Transit Winds Down

Just imagine what happens when oil drops to $35/bbl (as Trump has promised ) . Moscow🇷🇺 empire is badly outstretched, I just hope that Trump will not try to save it , Like Bush - Rice tried to save ussr in 1990... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_Kiev_speech...

www.usmessageboard.com

Its good enough. They are increasing sales in China, you know. Russian economy is not only gazprom. Gazprom sell cheap gaz inside Russia, and Russian industry is inreasing its energy-depended production, like, say steel. Less gas was selled in Europe - more tanks produced in Russia (and less tanks produced in Europe). More tanks produced in Russia and less tanks produced in Europe means more former Ukrainian lands (with valueble natural resources) Russia take. And the wealth of Russia is increasing.

 

[AntonToo]

The problem with 2022 and 2023 new car sales were problems with logistics from China. Now, the problems with logistics are solving and the Russians are buying more cars (and most of those new cars are neither European nor American). And it means, that the current level became more and more "new normal" and Russia have the opportunity to escalate.

Nope, the foremost problem was Russia choosing to invade a country and the the simple fact is that as a result of 3 years of war there are now ~1.5 million less new cars on the road in Russia.

Can't spin that.

And the cars that do get on the road are of mostly cheap chinese quality that Russians are forced into due to Russia, like North Korea, has become an international periah state that democratic countries around the world want nothing to do with.

This is what happens when you decide to "leave politics to politicians" and accept a Czar-for-life instead of accountable, regularly replaced leaders.

 

[Litwin]

Its good enough. They are increasing sales in China

1. BS ,

THE REALITY:


2. "In Moscow, they teach many languages. Muscovite to those that want to study the past, English and Hebrew to those that want to leave, and Chinese to those that want to stay ." and you are ok with this , honestly ivan ?

Mao :

 

[Litwin]

Do you read your own links?

New sales in 2025 are seen dropping by around 10% to 1.43 million units, Sergei Tselikov, head of Russian analytical agency Autostat, said in December, as high inflation and scrappage fees push prices up.

For pre-war reference - in 2021 1.67million new cars were sold in Russia.

So the only reason 2024 YoY number may seem like strong growth was due to absolutely disasterous 2022 and 2023, when only 0.6m and 1m new cars were sold.

 

[Zavulon]

Nope, the foremost problem was Russia choosing to invade a country and the the simple fact is that as a result of 3 years of war there are now ~1.5 million less new cars on the road in Russia.

Actually, no. Russia took a lot of lands and a lot of cars, either. So, the total number of even civilian cars on the roads of Russia increased. What is even more important - there are a lot of new military cars, APCs and other vehicles.

Can't spin that.

And the cars that do get on the road are of mostly cheap chinese quality that Russians are forced into due to Russia, like North Korea, has become an international periah state that democratic countries around the world want nothing to do with.

Chinese cars are good enough for their price, and they are getting better and better. And the European cars are getting worse and more expensive. So, if you need "a car" and have a certain amount of money - its Chinese car.

This is what happens when you decide to "leave politics to politicians" and accept a Czar-for-life instead of accountable, regularly replaced leaders.

We don't decided to "leave politics to politicians", not at all. Vice versa, Russian people are actively participating in the war, which is, in fact, "the continuation of politics by other means". It's not "politicians" who are fighting and dying, it's ordinary people. And they do it because they believe that it is the right thing to do. "Appeasement of NATO should be ended, and NATO should be pushed back or eliminated" - that is the statement with which more than 85% of Russians agree. "You are killing Russians - we are going to kill you". That's how it works.

 

[Zavulon]

1. BS ,

THE REALITY:


2. "In Moscow, they teach many languages. Muscovite to those that want to study the past, English and Hebrew to those that want to leave, and Chinese to those that want to stay ." and you are ok with this , honestly ivan ?

There are other sayings. Like - "Optimists study English, pessimists study Chinese and realists study Kalashnikov's assault rifle".

Basically, an educated person should understand at least three foreign languages, before 2022 it were two western and one eastern. After 2022 and "turning eastward" its became "two eastern and one western".
I did more or less understand English, French and Japanese and I thought about declaring French as my western language and studying Indian English as "eastern language", but decided that it would be too cheap. So, right now I'm studying Chinese (not that difficult if you already know Japanese) and right now somewhere between new HSK1 and HSK4.

It's totally OK with me. Not that I'm a big fun of Chinese culture or something, but knowledge is power.
I do hope, that even after decline of the USA, English will continue to be an international language of science and culture (as was Latin in the Medieval Europe). So called Roman scenario.
But, we can't rule out the possibility of so called Assyrian scenario. All cities and towns in English-speaking countries are FUBARed, almost all native English-speaking people are killed, English books burned, all english content in the net is deleted. It would be a catastrophe for the world. But we must be prepared for it either.

 

[AntonToo]

Actually, no. Russia took a lot of lands and a lot of cars, either. So, the total number of even civilian cars on the roads of Russia increased. What is even more important - there are a lot of new military cars, APCs and other vehicles.

Do you consider yourself an idiot? No? Then why do you insist on posting like one?


1. Lets start with obvious math:

Before invasion ~1.5 million new cars were bought in Russia annually on a stable basis.

So over 3 years we would expect 3 x 1.5 million new cars sold...but a war was started and instead of 4.5 million, there were (0.6 +1+1.5) new cars sold, meaning that there are about 1.5 million less new cars on Russia's roads over that period as a result of the war.


2. Russian people are not better off when instead of new passenger cars there are more millitary vehicles, drones, missiles and projectiles produced that quickly get sent to be disintegrated into metal scrap in Ukraine. USSR used to be pretty good at centrally building machines of war, but terrible at taking care of it's people and thats exactly where this war-of-choice economy is headed.

Wars have economic and social costs that common people have to pay for one way or another. You being unable to recognize these obvious costs just means you are willing to trade in basic rationality for dumb political propaganda.

 

[Zavulon]

1. Lets start with obvious math:

Before invasion ~1.5 million new cars were bought in Russia annually on a stable basis.

So over 3 years we would expect 3 x 1.5 million new cars sold...but a war was started and instead of 4.5 million, there were (0.6 +1+1.5) new cars sold, meaning that there are about 1.5 million less new cars on Russia's roads over that period as a result of the war.

One looted car is better than two bought. Russia looted more than 4 mln cars in those 3 years.
And no. The USA increased support of Kievan regime, therefore the war became inevitable.

2. Russian people are not better off when instead of new passenger cars there are more millitary vehicles, drones, missiles and projectiles produced that quickly get sent to be disintegrated into metal scrap in Ukraine. USSR used to be pretty good at centrally building machines of war, but terrible at taking care of it's people and thats exactly where this war-of-choice economy is headed.

Investments in weapons (as all other investments) should work and bring profits. We use weapons to take territories and kill enemies. New territories means new resources and new profits. Killed enemies means more safety and lesser loses for people. And sucessful military operation means increased reputation. Better reputation - lesser number of freaks trying to steal our property.

Wars have economic and social costs that common people have to pay for one way or another. You being unable to recognize these obvious costs just means you are willing to trade in basic rationality for dumb political propaganda.

There is the price. And there are goods, which you buy for this price. That far the profits are definitely prevailing for us. And first of all, we are talking not about profits in lands, resources and cars, but in human lifes. We had lost thousands but saved millions. Thats the most important part.

 

[AntonToo]

One looted car is better than two bought. Russia looted more than 4 mln cars in those 3 years.
And no. The USA increased support of Kievan regime, therefore the war became inevitable.



Investments in weapons (as all other investments) should work and bring profits. We use weapons to take territories and kill enemies. New territories means new resources and new profits. Killed enemies means more safety and lesser loses for people. And sucessful military operation means increased reputation. Better reputation - lesser number of freaks trying to steal our property.


There is the price. And there are goods, which you buy for this price. That far the profits are definitely prevailing for us. And first of all, we are talking not about profits in lands, resources and cars, but in human lifes. We had lost thousands but saved millions. Thats the most important part.

…I don’t know how to productively converse with crazy people who are immune to reason.

You tell him that Russia’s own statics show that there are less new cars in the country…he starts making up bullshit about millions of stolen cars supposedly no one noticed. :nuts:

 

[Litwin]

One looted car is better than two bought. Russia looted more than 4 mln cars in those 3 years.

ivan, where did you get this statistic ?

 

[Zavulon]

…I don’t know how to productively converse with crazy people who are immune to reason.

You tell him that Russia’s own statics show that there are less new cars in the country…he starts making up bullshit about millions of stolen cars supposedly no one noticed. :nuts:

You just need to understand about what exactly is your statistic. Otherwise you are going to misunderstad the issue.

New cars sold in auto shops is one thing (and this is the number in your statistic). The cars on the liberated territories is another number (they may be actually new, or few years old, but it wasn't in Russia before 2022 and they are in, so we can count them as new or not count). When an individual peddler buy a new car in China, and resell it (almost new) in Russia - its third number (and while the car is practically new, its not in the statistic). I don't say that there is no problems at all. Say, the price of spare part for Japanese (or European and some American) cars is almost doubled. But it's not a really big deal. There is nothing that the more or less free market couldn't solve.

 

[Zavulon]

ivan, where did you get this statistic ?
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If you were a bit more interested in the gathering actual information and not in parroting stupid propaganda, you could find it by yourself. It's the estimation of road police and insurance companies.