Republican drive to end social programs UNCONSTITUTIONAL

[Darkwind]

Oh look. Another moron who doesn't know what the general welfare clause was meant for. They must be churning them out by the hundreds these days.

 

[Micky G. Jagger]

Oh look. Another moron who doesn't know what the general welfare clause was meant for. They must be churning them out by the hundreds these days.

The provision that grants Congress power to tax and spend to provide for the general welfare of the U. S. is ambiguous. It could be, and has been, reasonably construed by reasonable men to mean different things.

 

[Flaylo]

Your asking a hypothetical with few particulars, only a fool would answer your question, or ask it to begin with.

My question is straughtforward John Wayne so quit being a sissy and answer it.

Hey dude, FUCK YOU. You never respond and completely ignore people who rationally and logically destroy your argument and your ideology, yet you have the gall to demand responses of others? Fuck you, seriously.

Insults, a nasty attitude and extreme profanity is all you have to offer as an answer? I can say that you're only for states' rights when it favors Republicans and right wing trash. I'll give you another chance to answer, if states had all the power and your state decided to enact universal health and other socially liberal programs for the poor would you support it as a believer in states' rights?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

My question is straughtforward John Wayne so quit being a sissy and answer it.

Hey dude, FUCK YOU. You never respond and completely ignore people who rationally and logically destroy your argument and your ideology, yet you have the gall to demand responses of others? Fuck you, seriously.

Insults, a nasty attitude and extreme profanity is all you have to offer as an answer? I can say that you're only for states' rights when it favors Republicans and right wing trash. I'll give you another chance to answer, if states had all the power and your state decided to enact universal health and other socially liberal programs for the poor would you support it as a believer in states' rights?

Flaylo you have yet to give an acceptible answer to my question.Still waiting.

 

[Flaylo]

Hey dude, FUCK YOU. You never respond and completely ignore people who rationally and logically destroy your argument and your ideology, yet you have the gall to demand responses of others? Fuck you, seriously.

Insults, a nasty attitude and extreme profanity is all you have to offer as an answer? I can say that you're only for states' rights when it favors Republicans and right wing trash. I'll give you another chance to answer, if states had all the power and your state decided to enact universal health and other socially liberal programs for the poor would you support it as a believer in states' rights?

Flaylo you have yet to give an acceptible answer to my question.Still waiting.

Your question was already answered John Wayne, now stop begging the question.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Insults, a nasty attitude and extreme profanity is all you have to offer as an answer? I can say that you're only for states' rights when it favors Republicans and right wing trash. I'll give you another chance to answer, if states had all the power and your state decided to enact universal health and other socially liberal programs for the poor would you support it as a believer in states' rights?

Flaylo you have yet to give an acceptible answer to my question.Still waiting.

Your question was already answered John Wayne, now stop begging the question.

I will ask you one more time

If your argument is that it's the governments job to promote the general walfare, through healthcare coverage
My question to you is how can they insure domestic Tranquility when so many Americans oppose what the government is doing? It cannot be done.

 

[Micky G. Jagger]

Flaylo you have yet to give an acceptible answer to my question.Still waiting.

Your question was already answered John Wayne, now stop begging the question.

I will ask you one more time

If your argument is that it's the governments job to promote the general walfare, through healthcare coverage
My question to you is how can they insure domestic Tranquility when so many Americans oppose what the government is doing? It cannot be done.

The provision in the health care bill that provides tax credits to small businesses that offer coverage to their employees makes 72% of Americans happy.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Your question was already answered John Wayne, now stop begging the question.

I will ask you one more time

If your argument is that it's the governments job to promote the general walfare, through healthcare coverage
My question to you is how can they insure domestic Tranquility when so many Americans oppose what the government is doing? It cannot be done.

The provision in the health care bill that provides tax credits to small businesses that offer coverage to their employees makes 72% of Americans happy.

The democrats are backing off with their prediction of how their healthcare law will help the American People. It was all a sham to gain more control of the people. Everything about the healthcare law has been proven to be a lie.

 

[Flaylo]

Flaylo you have yet to give an acceptible answer to my question.Still waiting.

Your question was already answered John Wayne, now stop begging the question.

I will ask you one more time

If your argument is that it's the governments job to promote the general walfare, through healthcare coverage
My question to you is how can they insure domestic Tranquility when so many Americans oppose what the government is doing? It cannot be done.

Most Americans are for universal health care, stop bullshitting.

 

[saveliberty]

Your question was already answered John Wayne, now stop begging the question.

I will ask you one more time

If your argument is that it's the governments job to promote the general walfare, through healthcare coverage
My question to you is how can they insure domestic Tranquility when so many Americans oppose what the government is doing? It cannot be done.

The provision in the health care bill that provides tax credits to small businesses that offer coverage to their employees makes 72% of Americans happy.

So they raise taxes on small businesses and then GIVE them a tax credit. I think amost Americans can see that for what it is...deceitful, manipulative and wrong.

 

[saveliberty]

Your question was already answered John Wayne, now stop begging the question.

I will ask you one more time

If your argument is that it's the governments job to promote the general walfare, through healthcare coverage
My question to you is how can they insure domestic Tranquility when so many Americans oppose what the government is doing? It cannot be done.

Most Americans are for universal health care, stop bullshitting.

Not what the polls show bozo.

RCP Average 7/8 - 8/30 -- 38.7 52.3 Against/Oppose +13.6

RealClearPolitics - Election Other - Obama and Democrats' Health Care Plan

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Your question was already answered John Wayne, now stop begging the question.

I will ask you one more time

If your argument is that it's the governments job to promote the general walfare, through healthcare coverage
My question to you is how can they insure domestic Tranquility when so many Americans oppose what the government is doing? It cannot be done.

Most Americans are for universal health care, stop bullshitting.

Stop lying

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/obama_and_democrats_health_care_plan-1130.html

 

[Lonestar_logic]

I think Davy Crockett said it best.

One day in the House of Representatives a bill was taken up appropriating money for the benefit of a widow of a distinguished naval officer. Several beautiful speeches had been made in its support. The Speaker was just about to put the question when Crockett arose:

"Mr. Speaker--I have as much respect for the memory of the deceased, and as much sympathy for the sufferings of the living, if suffering there be, as any man in this House, but we must not permit our respect for the dead or our sympathy for a part of the living to lead us into an act of injustice to the balance of the living. I will not go into an argument to prove that Congress has not the power to appropriate this money as an act of charity. Every member upon this floor knows it. We have the right, as individuals, to give away as much of our own money as we please in charity; but as members of Congress we have no right to appropriate a dollar of the public money. Some eloquent appeals have been made to us upon the ground that it is a debt due the deceased. Mr. Speaker, the deceased lived long after the close of the war; he was in office to the day of his death, and I have never heard that the government was in arrears to him.

"Every man in this House knows it is not a debt. We cannot, without the grossest corruption, appropriate this money as the payment of a debt. We have not the semblance of authority to appropriate it as charity. Mr. Speaker, I have said we have the right to give as much money of our own as we please. I am the poorest man on this floor. I cannot vote for this bill, but I will give one week's pay to the object, and if every member of Congress will do the same, it will amount to more than the bill asks."

He took his seat. Nobody replied. The bill was put upon its passage, and, instead of passing unanimously, as was generally supposed, and as, no doubt, it would, but for that speech, it received but few votes, and, of course, was lost.

Not yours to give

 

[Flaylo]

I will ask you one more time

If your argument is that it's the governments job to promote the general walfare, through healthcare coverage
My question to you is how can they insure domestic Tranquility when so many Americans oppose what the government is doing? It cannot be done.

Most Americans are for universal health care, stop bullshitting.

Stop lying

RealClearPolitics - Election Other - Obama and Democrats' Health Care Plan

STFU

Poll: Health care plan gains favor - USATODAY.com

 

[Flaylo]

I think Davy Crockett said it best.

One day in the House of Representatives a bill was taken up appropriating money for the benefit of a widow of a distinguished naval officer. Several beautiful speeches had been made in its support. The Speaker was just about to put the question when Crockett arose:

"Mr. Speaker--I have as much respect for the memory of the deceased, and as much sympathy for the sufferings of the living, if suffering there be, as any man in this House, but we must not permit our respect for the dead or our sympathy for a part of the living to lead us into an act of injustice to the balance of the living. I will not go into an argument to prove that Congress has not the power to appropriate this money as an act of charity. Every member upon this floor knows it. We have the right, as individuals, to give away as much of our own money as we please in charity; but as members of Congress we have no right to appropriate a dollar of the public money. Some eloquent appeals have been made to us upon the ground that it is a debt due the deceased. Mr. Speaker, the deceased lived long after the close of the war; he was in office to the day of his death, and I have never heard that the government was in arrears to him.

"Every man in this House knows it is not a debt. We cannot, without the grossest corruption, appropriate this money as the payment of a debt. We have not the semblance of authority to appropriate it as charity. Mr. Speaker, I have said we have the right to give as much money of our own as we please. I am the poorest man on this floor. I cannot vote for this bill, but I will give one week's pay to the object, and if every member of Congress will do the same, it will amount to more than the bill asks."

He took his seat. Nobody replied. The bill was put upon its passage, and, instead of passing unanimously, as was generally supposed, and as, no doubt, it would, but for that speech, it received but few votes, and, of course, was lost.

Not yours to give

Dipshit logic posts nothing but jokes and insults.

 

[DiamondDave]

Most Americans are for universal health care, stop bullshitting.

Stop lying

RealClearPolitics - Election Other - Obama and Democrats' Health Care Plan

STFU

Poll: Health care plan gains favor - USATODAY.com

STFU

3/24/2010

That's the date from your supposed retort

You're a fucking joke, troll

 

[bigrebnc1775]

I think Davy Crockett said it best.

One day in the House of Representatives a bill was taken up appropriating money for the benefit of a widow of a distinguished naval officer. Several beautiful speeches had been made in its support. The Speaker was just about to put the question when Crockett arose:

"Mr. Speaker--I have as much respect for the memory of the deceased, and as much sympathy for the sufferings of the living, if suffering there be, as any man in this House, but we must not permit our respect for the dead or our sympathy for a part of the living to lead us into an act of injustice to the balance of the living. I will not go into an argument to prove that Congress has not the power to appropriate this money as an act of charity. Every member upon this floor knows it. We have the right, as individuals, to give away as much of our own money as we please in charity; but as members of Congress we have no right to appropriate a dollar of the public money. Some eloquent appeals have been made to us upon the ground that it is a debt due the deceased. Mr. Speaker, the deceased lived long after the close of the war; he was in office to the day of his death, and I have never heard that the government was in arrears to him.

"Every man in this House knows it is not a debt. We cannot, without the grossest corruption, appropriate this money as the payment of a debt. We have not the semblance of authority to appropriate it as charity. Mr. Speaker, I have said we have the right to give as much money of our own as we please. I am the poorest man on this floor. I cannot vote for this bill, but I will give one week's pay to the object, and if every member of Congress will do the same, it will amount to more than the bill asks."

He took his seat. Nobody replied. The bill was put upon its passage, and, instead of passing unanimously, as was generally supposed, and as, no doubt, it would, but for that speech, it received but few votes, and, of course, was lost.

Not yours to give

Dipshit logic posts nothing but jokes and insults.

You fear the truth don't you?
Is that why you cannot answer a simple question without lying?

 

[Micky G. Jagger]

I think Davy Crockett said it best.

One day in the House of Representatives a bill was taken up appropriating money for the benefit of a widow of a distinguished naval officer. Several beautiful speeches had been made in its support. The Speaker was just about to put the question when Crockett arose:

"Mr. Speaker--I have as much respect for the memory of the deceased, and as much sympathy for the sufferings of the living, if suffering there be, as any man in this House, but we must not permit our respect for the dead or our sympathy for a part of the living to lead us into an act of injustice to the balance of the living. I will not go into an argument to prove that Congress has not the power to appropriate this money as an act of charity. Every member upon this floor knows it. We have the right, as individuals, to give away as much of our own money as we please in charity; but as members of Congress we have no right to appropriate a dollar of the public money. Some eloquent appeals have been made to us upon the ground that it is a debt due the deceased. Mr. Speaker, the deceased lived long after the close of the war; he was in office to the day of his death, and I have never heard that the government was in arrears to him.

"Every man in this House knows it is not a debt. We cannot, without the grossest corruption, appropriate this money as the payment of a debt. We have not the semblance of authority to appropriate it as charity. Mr. Speaker, I have said we have the right to give as much money of our own as we please. I am the poorest man on this floor. I cannot vote for this bill, but I will give one week's pay to the object, and if every member of Congress will do the same, it will amount to more than the bill asks."

He took his seat. Nobody replied. The bill was put upon its passage, and, instead of passing unanimously, as was generally supposed, and as, no doubt, it would, but for that speech, it received but few votes, and, of course, was lost.

Not yours to give

Representative David Crockett lost the debate, dude. The House passed the bill granting welfare relief to the widow in the name of providing for the general welfare.

Bills from the Senate, of the following titles, viz.

* No. 31. An act for the relief of Noah Staley;
* No. 40. An act for the relief of John Hone and Sons, of New York;
* No. 37. An act to authorize the Secretary of the Treasury to compromise the claims of the United States against the late firm of Minturn and Champlin, and their securities;
* No. 38. An act for the relief of John Kimberlin;
* No. 45. An act for the relief of the widow and heirs of Felix St. Vrain;
* No. 32. An act for the relief of George Staley;

were severally read the third time, and passed.

Ordered, That the Clerk acquaint the Senate therewith.

Engrossed bills, of the following titles, viz.

* No. 176. An act for the relief of George Bowen;
* No. 178. An act for the relief of William K. Paulling;
* No. 179. An act for the relief of William Haslett;
* No. 180. An act for the relief of Joseph W. Wormstead, of Marblehead, master and owner of the schooner Sally, and the crew of said vessel;
* No. 184. An act to provide for the settlement of the claim of Mary O'Sullivan;
* No. 186. An act to refund to certain owners of the schooner Joseph and Mary the sum paid into the Treasury, by reason of the condemnation of said vessel;
* No. 187. An act for the relief of Samuel D. Walker;
* No. 188. An act for the relief of Alexander J. Robison;
* No. 189. An act for the benefit of the heirs at law of the representatives of William G. Christopher, deceased;
* No. 193. An act for the relief of William B. Doliber and others, owners and heirs of the crew of the schooner Mary and Hannah;
* No. 194. An act for the relief of the legal representatives of James Brown;
* No. 196. An act for the relief of Benedict Alford and Robert Brush;
* No. 197. An act for the relief of the heirs of Crocker Sampson, deceased;
* No. 199. An act for the relief of Henry Whitney;
* No. 358. An act for the relief of William O'Neale;

were severally read the third time, and passed;​

--Journal of the House of Representatives of the United States, 1833-1834
FRIDAY, March 14, 1834.​

 

[Flaylo]

Stop lying

RealClearPolitics - Election Other - Obama and Democrats' Health Care Plan

STFU

Poll: Health care plan gains favor - USATODAY.com

STFU

3/24/2010

That's the date from your supposed retort

You're a fucking joke, troll

DIPSHIT, his source is biased, my sources isn't. STFU. Troll.

 

[Liberty]

STFU

Poll: Health care plan gains favor - USATODAY.com

STFU

3/24/2010

That's the date from your supposed retort

You're a fucking joke, troll

DIPSHIT, his source is biased, my sources isn't. STFU. Troll.

king troll calling others trolls. well played, sir. well played.