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They have been found buy the court to continue these activities.
Now go get the court documents that proove like you claim that the dems do it too.
No... what I read was that the ruling was based on intervenor lawsuits. Any Tom, Dick or TruthDoesn'tMatter can file a lawsuit. The court ruled that as long as these lawsuits keep coming about (proven or not) the Consent Decree stands against the RNC. In effect, the court told the DNC that as long as they go out and convince people to file frivolous lawsuits the decree will stand.
What I don't understand is why the court would let the DNC off. Those agreements were good agreements. Seems to me like the court gave the DNC a punched ticket to commit those violations.
Immie
Where in the court document does it say what you claim Immie?
Why are you lying
No... what I read was that the ruling was based on intervenor lawsuits. Any Tom, Dick or TruthDoesn'tMatter can file a lawsuit. The court ruled that as long as these lawsuits keep coming about (proven or not) the Consent Decree stands against the RNC. In effect,the court told the DNC that as long as they go out and convince people to file frivolous lawsuits the decree will stand.
What I don't understand is why the court would let the DNC off. Those agreements were good agreements. Seems to me like the court gave the DNC a punched ticket to commit those violations.
Immie
Where in the court document does it say what you claim Immie?
Why are you lying
Which claim?
That the DNC was released from the consent decree? I believe you have been highlighting that fact for 24 hours at least. You want me to go back and find your posts for that? I will if you like.
Immie
They have been found buy the court to continue these activities.
Now go get the court documents that proove like you claim that the dems do it too.
No... what I read was that the ruling was based on intervenor lawsuits. Any Tom, Dick or TruthDoesn'tMatter can file a lawsuit. The court ruled that as long as these lawsuits keep coming about (proven or not) the Consent Decree stands against the RNC. In effect, the court told the DNC that as long as they go out and convince people to file frivolous lawsuits the decree will stand.
What I don't understand is why the court would let the DNC off. Those agreements were good agreements. Seems to me like the court gave the DNC a punched ticket to commit those violations.
Immie
Where in the court document does it say what you claim Immie?
Why are you lying
D.N.J.: Republican National Committee Still Bound by Consent Decree Prohibiting Voter Suppression — NSCLC Website
"The RNC argued that the increase in minority turnout and an African-American President and Attorney General made the decree’s voter protections unnecessary.The court found these arguments entirely “inapposite” to the analysis. The relevant inquiry was whether the RNC had to be restrained from further vote suppression , not whether or not the Department of Justice would enforce the VRA . As minority voters continued to manifest a marked aversion to the GOP, the court found the RNC’s incentive to suppress their vote had not been lessened. The court also found no election law rendered the terms of the decree illegal or unnecessary and no law had led to an increase in voter fraud whose incidence could only be prevented by modifying the decree."
"While finding no evidence in support of vacating or significantly modifying the decree, the court did find that unforeseen unworkability allowed for a small change.Due to multiple allegations of voter suppression, the RNC has found itself defending intervenor lawsuits to enforce the decree. As theDNC does not face similar lawsuits , in the interest of equity the court changed the decree so only the DNC could seek to enforce it . The court also recognized that the requirement for the RNC to seek 20 day pre-clearance approval of any new “ballot security” tactics does not allow it to monitor new voter registrations in the few states that have adopted registration deadlines within 20 days of elections. The term was changed to a 10 day pre-clearance requirement. In response to the complaint that the decree’s prohibition on voter intimidation at the polls was too vague, the definition of this tactic was clarified.Finally, in the hope that the RNC might change its behavior toward minority voters in the future, the court added a contingent termination date to the decree of eight years. If the decree is violated again, the deadline will be extended."
The RNC has been determined by the court to have repetedly violated the decree.
That means they have repetedly acted to violate the rights of minority voters.
I know you people dont really care that your party violates the rigths of Americans (especially when they are not white).
You instead insist that because they did not have to admitt guilt for the original crimes everything is just fine.
As theDNC does not face similar lawsuits , in the interest of equity the court changed the decree so only the DNC could seek to enforce it .
Read Charles_Main's reply to this ridiculous question.
No one is claiming the court document is lying. We are pointing out that you are lying about what it says. Repeatedly lying about it.
Immie
Immie me saying they are guilty of these crimes is perfectly true and you know it.
Now would you please document your claim that the democrats are guilty of this behavior too?
What are you a frigging NAZI? Do you know what INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY MEANS?under the courts yes, I can say they are guilty of this activity and there is no lie there.I am allowed to virew them as guilty under the burden of facts, you are also free to excuse anything they do to apease your poltical views. My assesment is just far more logical than yours
It is people like you that made me afraid of the Patriot Act. I knew some jackass that automatically hated people that did not agree with them would someday find their way into the White House and when that day happens anyone that disagrees with them will be guilty without a GOSH DARN TRIAL!
It is people like you that are unamerican!
Innocent until proven guilty. Read up on it!
Immie
They have been found buy the court to continue these activities.
Now go get the court documents that proove like you claim that the dems do it too.
Annie did it for me.
Immie
Immie taht is not court documentation now is it.
Its a newsmax opinion piece and a google search.
I gave you court documented evidence and a court finding determining that the RNC BROKE the consent decree by trying to eleiminate voters again.
DEMOCRATS SUE TO END PROGRAM TO LIMIT MINORITY VOTING - The Leadership Conference on Civil and Human Rights
Why do you pretend it was the only thing in eveidence in the case?
"Court Proceedings
While the RNC admits that letters were sent only to traditionally Democratic precincts , the Committee contended in court that the program was not racially motivated and did not target a specific gender, age or race. Accusations that a racial motive was involved in the plan's implementation were somewhat substantiated on Friday, October 24, when U.S. District Court Judge Dickinson R. Debevoise allowed release of a memorandum by Kris Wolfe, RNC Midwest political. director. In the August 13 memorandum to Lanny Griffith, RNC's southern political director, Ms. Wolfe explicitly stated "I would guess that this program will eliminate at least 60-80,000 folks from the rolls... If it is a close race. .. which I am assuming it is, this could keep the black vote down considerably." Ms. Wolfe also revealed in testimony that she had discussed the "ballot security" program at length with officials involved in the Louisiana Senate campaign of Rep. Henson Moore (R) in his race against Rep. John Breaux (D). The "ballot sec urity" program has also been alleged to be connected with other like campaigns, particularly those in Indiana's 8th and Michigan's 6th congressional districts. In close races, the minority vote can determine the outcome of the election."
Where in the court document does it say what you claim Immie?
Why are you lying
Which claim?
That the DNC was released from the consent decree? I believe you have been highlighting that fact for 24 hours at least. You want me to go back and find your posts for that? I will if you like.
Immie
You have claimed that the dems did this too and that the court told the dems to file frivolous law suits
Immie me saying they are guilty of these crimes is perfectly true and you know it.
Now would you please document your claim that the democrats are guilty of this behavior too?
What are you a frigging NAZI? Do you know what INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY MEANS?under the courts yes, I can say they are guilty of this activity and there is no lie there.I am allowed to virew them as guilty under the burden of facts, you are also free to excuse anything they do to apease your poltical views. My assesment is just far more logical than yours
It is people like you that made me afraid of the Patriot Act. I knew some jackass that automatically hated people that did not agree with them would someday find their way into the White House and when that day happens anyone that disagrees with them will be guilty without a GOSH DARN TRIAL!
It is people like you that are unamerican!
Innocent until proven guilty. Read up on it!
Immie
They did these things and the evidence is overwhelming.
You want them free to do it again?
Immie me saying they are guilty of these crimes is perfectly true and you know it.
Now would you please document your claim that the democrats are guilty of this behavior too?
What are you a frigging NAZI? Do you know what INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY MEANS?under the courts yes, I can say they are guilty of this activity and there is no lie there.I am allowed to virew them as guilty under the burden of facts, you are also free to excuse anything they do to apease your poltical views. My assesment is just far more logical than yours
It is people like you that made me afraid of the Patriot Act. I knew some jackass that automatically hated people that did not agree with them would someday find their way into the White House and when that day happens anyone that disagrees with them will be guilty without a GOSH DARN TRIAL!
It is people like you that are unamerican!
Innocent until proven guilty. Read up on it!
Immie
They did these things and the evidence is overwhelming.
You want them free to do it again?
ah, so your earlier post was sarcasm ?I wish the republican party didnt try to keep people from voting to win elections
Your wish has already been granted.
People claim they did, but people also claimed that Obama was not a citizen.
Immie , please provide any documentation at the level that I have given that the dems have done this too like you claim?
Read Charles_Main's reply to this ridiculous question.
No one is claiming the court document is lying. We are pointing out that you are lying about what it says. Repeatedly lying about it.
Immie
Immie me saying they are guilty of these crimes is perfectly true and you know it.
Now would you please document your claim that the democrats are guilty of this behavior too?
What are you a frigging NAZI? Do you know what INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY MEANS?
It is people like you that made me afraid of the Patriot Act. I knew some jackass that automatically hated people that did not agree with them would someday find their way into the White House and when that day happens anyone that disagrees with them will be guilty without a GOSH DARN TRIAL!
It is people like you that are unamerican!
Innocent until proven guilty. Read up on it!
Immie
Annie did it for me.
Immie
Immie taht is not court documentation now is it.
Its a newsmax opinion piece and a google search.
I gave you court documented evidence and a court finding determining that the RNC BROKE the consent decree by trying to eleiminate voters again.
I do not have the time, desire or knowledge of how to hunt up frivolous lawsuits just to prove that a moron who thinks that her beloved Democratic Party is full of frigging saints who would do nothing wrong whatsoever, knowing full well that even if I could find such documents that it would take a frigging confession from the lips of President Obama himself before she would open her mind to the possibility that the Democrats are not gods.
And we all know that confession is not coming from President Obama.
Immie
Immie me saying they are guilty of these crimes is perfectly true and you know it.
Now would you please document your claim that the democrats are guilty of this behavior too?
What are you a frigging NAZI? Do you know what INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY MEANS?
It is people like you that made me afraid of the Patriot Act. I knew some jackass that automatically hated people that did not agree with them would someday find their way into the White House and when that day happens anyone that disagrees with them will be guilty without a GOSH DARN TRIAL!
It is people like you that are unamerican!
Innocent until proven guilty. Read up on it!
Immie
Immie taht is not court documentation now is it.
Its a newsmax opinion piece and a google search.
I gave you court documented evidence and a court finding determining that the RNC BROKE the consent decree by trying to eleiminate voters again.
I do not have the time, desire or knowledge of how to hunt up frivolous lawsuits just to prove that a moron who thinks that her beloved Democratic Party is full of frigging saints who would do nothing wrong whatsoever, knowing full well that even if I could find such documents that it would take a frigging confession from the lips of President Obama himself before she would open her mind to the possibility that the Democrats are not gods.
And we all know that confession is not coming from President Obama.
Immie
You can not and refuse to even try to document your claims that the dems do it too because no such evindence exsist.
I gave you all court documented cold hard facts to proove the republican party wants to keep black people from voting to win elections (out of their own mouths).
You have repetedly called me a liar for doing so.
Now when the burden of proof lies in your lap you just spew bullshit?
Kat if you had bothered to read anything I offered you would realise the Court did find that the RNC violated the consent decree they entered into.
Immie , please provide any documentation at the level that I have given that the dems have done this too like you claim?
I have already discussed this above.
I do not have the knowledge or the time or desire to do so.
You would not believe it if President Obama confessed it to the world anyway.
You can keep living in your frigging dream world of Democratic Sainthood. In the meantime the intelligent world will know that politics is politics and it is a dirty game.
Immie
Where in the court document does it say what you claim Immie?
Why are you lying
Which claim?
That the DNC was released from the consent decree? I believe you have been highlighting that fact for 24 hours at least. You want me to go back and find your posts for that? I will if you like.
Immie
You have claimed that the dems did this too and that the court told the dems to file frivolous law suits
http://brennan.3cdn.net/55c542f8931183a71e_43m6i2q5b.pdf
"the RNC responded to a discovery request by producing a memo from its Midwest Political Director to its Southern Political Director, in which the former stated that I would guess that this program will eliminate at least 60,000-80,000 folks from the rolls If it‟s a close race which I‟m assuming it is, this could keep the black vote down considerably. See Thomas Edsall, Ballot Security Effects Calculated: GOP Aide Said Lousiana Effort Could Keep the Black Vote Down, Wash. Post, Oct. 24, 1986 at A1."
Now lets remember this is in a court document written by a the judge in his decision
And?
Are you saying that the DNC doesn't stoop to such tactics?
Those are scummy tactics and they should have had their hands slapped.
I wonder if they actually broke any laws and if the letters actually went out and if any voters were actually removed from the voter registration rolls.
I don't recall having claimed that the RNC was innocent of anything, only that nothing has been proven.
And by the way, they settled out of court and what was the penalty? Looks to me like the penalty was an agreement to redefine the term "ballot Security". That tells me that the RNC was attempting to stretch the rules yet stay within the laws.
The memo sucks. It is not up to the RNC to remove names from voter registration rolls. That is the business of the Registrar of Voters. I have no problem with the court telling them they were wrong.
Edit: and by the way, that was a good find. At least it was some evidence to back up your claim.
Immie
Immie me saying they are guilty of these crimes is perfectly true and you know it.
Now would you please document your claim that the democrats are guilty of this behavior too?
What are you a frigging NAZI? Do you know what INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY MEANS?
It is people like you that made me afraid of the Patriot Act. I knew some jackass that automatically hated people that did not agree with them would someday find their way into the White House and when that day happens anyone that disagrees with them will be guilty without a GOSH DARN TRIAL!
It is people like you that are unamerican!
Innocent until proven guilty. Read up on it!
Immie
Immie taht is not court documentation now is it.
Its a newsmax opinion piece and a google search.
I gave you court documented evidence and a court finding determining that the RNC BROKE the consent decree by trying to eleiminate voters again.
I do not have the time, desire or knowledge of how to hunt up frivolous lawsuits just to prove that a moron who thinks that her beloved Democratic Party is full of frigging saints who would do nothing wrong whatsoever, knowing full well that even if I could find such documents that it would take a frigging confession from the lips of President Obama himself before she would open her mind to the possibility that the Democrats are not gods.
And we all know that confession is not coming from President Obama.
Immie
You can not and refuse to even try to document your claims that the dems do it too because no such evindence exsist.
I gave you all court documented cold hard facts to proove the republican party wants to keep black people from voting to win elections (out of their own mouths).
You have repetedly called me a liar for doing so.
Now when the burden of proof lies in your lap you just spew bullshit?
