GLASNOST
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Ukraine claims the Russian missile attack yesterday wasn’t armed with a nuke only because Russia can’t afford it. If that doesn’t remind us that Zoolinsky is a comedian!
Russia didn’t nuke Ukraine because nukes are too expensive?
The Irish Ram
LITTLE GIRL / Ram Tough
Miles of farmland there. Putin doesn't want to poison any of it.
kremlin indicates it was an experimental hypersonic missile, mirved, and that the test launch was a success.
is that right?
Putin didn't nuke the Ukraine because Putin isn't crazy. He doesn't want nuclear war any more than anybody else does.
No. It's not "experimental" (likely, its RS-26 Rubezh), just western intelligence ignore their existence. Yes. It has MIRVs, there were 6x6 = 36 incomes (and with payload that high its not ICBM). Yes, the RVs are hypersonic. The launch was definitely successful, the question is how good is its accurancy. Yes, it was good, but was is that good as was expected? Let's just wait the results of objective control. From my armchair I can speculate that guidance system is good enough to destroy (or damage enough to prevent a launch) a Miniteman III silo.
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Nobody wants a nuclear war. Almost nobody. But, the nuclear war is the "lesser evil" in certain circumstances. The USA, France and England attacked Russia. So, we are in the war now. As Putin said, "the conflict became global". And do you know a way to defeat an alliance of the three nuclear powers without using nukes? I don't.
JGalt
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You're still giving away Russian military information?
I'm surprised you're still here.
Nothing really classified. Anyway, US intelligence doesn't monitor that thread, and even if they do - they won't get it. And even if they are interested - the light are all off upstairs, so there will be no any harm.
Why? Nobody cares.I'm surprised you're still here.
i do expect youi communicate, but stay away from the window.
Ringo
Gold Member
Statement by the President of the Russian Federation. 11.21.2024
I should like to inform the personnel of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, the citizens of our country, our friends around the world, and those who continue to harbour illusions about the possibility of inflicting a strategic defeat on Russia, of the events that are taking place today in the area of the special military operation, namely after the use of Western-made long-range weapons on our territory.
Continuing the course of escalation of the conflict in Ukraine provoked by the West, the United States and its NATO allies have previously announced that they are authorizing the use of their long-range precision-guided weapons systems on the territory of the Russian Federation. Experts are well aware, and the Russian side has repeatedly emphasized this, that it is impossible to use such weapons without the direct involvement of military specialists from the countries that produce such weapons.
On November 19, six U.S.-made ATACMS operational-tactical missiles and on November 21, in the course of a combined missile attack, British-made Storm Shadow and U.S.-made HIMARS systems struck military facilities on the territory of the Russian Federation - in the Bryansk and Kursk regions. From that moment on, as we have repeatedly emphasized on previous occasions, the regional conflict in Ukraine provoked by the West has acquired elements of a global character. Our air defense systems have repelled these attacks. As a result, the objectives that were obviously set by the enemy were not achieved.
A fire at an ammunition depot in the Bryansk region caused by falling ATACMS missile debris has been extinguished, there were no casualties or serious damage. In the Kursk region, an attack was made on one of the command posts of our “North” group. As a result of the attack and the anti-aircraft battle, there are, unfortunately, casualties, dead and wounded from among the personnel of the facility's external security units and maintenance personnel. The command and operational staff of the control center was not injured and is carrying out in a normal mode of management of the actions of our troops to destroy and expel enemy units from the Kursk region.
Once again I would like to emphasize that the use of such weapons by the enemy is not able to affect the course of combat operations in the zone of the special military operation. Our troops are successfully advancing along the entire line of contact. All the tasks we have set for ourselves will be accomplished.
In response to the use of American and British long-range weapons, on November 21 of this year the Russian Armed Forces launched a combined strike against one of the facilities of Ukraine's defense-industrial complex. Under combat conditions, they also tested one of Russia's newest medium-range missile systems - in this case, a ballistic missile with a non-nuclear hypersonic configuration. Our missile engineers named it “Oreshnik.” The tests were successful, and the launch goal was achieved. One of the largest industrial complexes known since the days of the Soviet Union, which still produces missile equipment and other weapons today, was hit in the city of Dnepropetrovsk in Ukraine.
We are developing intermediate-range and shorter-range missiles as a response to United States plans to produce and deploy intermediate-range and shorter-range missiles in Europe and the Asia-Pacific region. We believe that the United States made a mistake by unilaterally destroying the Treaty on the Elimination of Intermediate-Range and Shorter-Range Missiles in 2019 under far-fetched pretexts. Today, the United States not only produces such equipment, but, as we can see, during the training of its troops, it has practiced the deployment of its advanced missile systems to different regions of the world, including Europe. Moreover, in the course of the exercises, they are conducting drills on their use.
Let me remind you that Russia has voluntarily and unilaterally committed itself not to deploy medium-range and shorter-range missiles as long as American weapons of this kind do not appear in any region of the world.
I repeat: We are conducting live tests of the Oreshnik missile system in response to the aggressive actions of NATO countries against Russia. The question of further deployment of medium- and shorter-range missiles will be decided by us depending on the actions of the United States and its satellites.
We will determine the targets for further tests of our newest missile systems on the basis of threats to the security of the Russian Federation. We consider ourselves entitled to use our weapons against the military facilities of those countries that allow the use of their weapons against our facilities, and in case of escalation of aggressive actions we will respond with the same decisive and mirror-like response. I recommend that the ruling elites of those countries that are hatching plans to use their military contingents against Russia should also seriously consider this.
Of course, when selecting targets for systems such as Oreshnik on Ukrainian territory in case of necessity and as a response, we will proactively invite civilians and also ask citizens of friendly States who are there to leave the danger zones. We will do this for humanitarian reasons - openly, publicly, without fear of opposition from the enemy, who is also receiving this information.
Why without fear? Because there are no means of countering such weapons today. Missiles attack targets at a speed of Mach 10, which is 2.5-3 kilometers per second. The modern air defense systems available in the world and the missile defense systems being created by the Americans in Europe cannot intercept such missiles, it is impossible.
I emphasize once again that it is not Russia, but the United States that has destroyed the system of international security and, continuing to fight and cling to its hegemony, is pushing the entire world towards a global conflict.
We have always preferred and are now ready to resolve all disputes by peaceful means. But we are also ready for any development of events.
If anyone still doubts this, it is in vain - there will always be an response.
I should like to inform the personnel of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, the citizens of our country, our friends around the world, and those who continue to harbour illusions about the possibility of inflicting a strategic defeat on Russia, of the events that are taking place today in the area of the special military operation, namely after the use of Western-made long-range weapons on our territory.
Continuing the course of escalation of the conflict in Ukraine provoked by the West, the United States and its NATO allies have previously announced that they are authorizing the use of their long-range precision-guided weapons systems on the territory of the Russian Federation. Experts are well aware, and the Russian side has repeatedly emphasized this, that it is impossible to use such weapons without the direct involvement of military specialists from the countries that produce such weapons.
On November 19, six U.S.-made ATACMS operational-tactical missiles and on November 21, in the course of a combined missile attack, British-made Storm Shadow and U.S.-made HIMARS systems struck military facilities on the territory of the Russian Federation - in the Bryansk and Kursk regions. From that moment on, as we have repeatedly emphasized on previous occasions, the regional conflict in Ukraine provoked by the West has acquired elements of a global character. Our air defense systems have repelled these attacks. As a result, the objectives that were obviously set by the enemy were not achieved.
A fire at an ammunition depot in the Bryansk region caused by falling ATACMS missile debris has been extinguished, there were no casualties or serious damage. In the Kursk region, an attack was made on one of the command posts of our “North” group. As a result of the attack and the anti-aircraft battle, there are, unfortunately, casualties, dead and wounded from among the personnel of the facility's external security units and maintenance personnel. The command and operational staff of the control center was not injured and is carrying out in a normal mode of management of the actions of our troops to destroy and expel enemy units from the Kursk region.
Once again I would like to emphasize that the use of such weapons by the enemy is not able to affect the course of combat operations in the zone of the special military operation. Our troops are successfully advancing along the entire line of contact. All the tasks we have set for ourselves will be accomplished.
In response to the use of American and British long-range weapons, on November 21 of this year the Russian Armed Forces launched a combined strike against one of the facilities of Ukraine's defense-industrial complex. Under combat conditions, they also tested one of Russia's newest medium-range missile systems - in this case, a ballistic missile with a non-nuclear hypersonic configuration. Our missile engineers named it “Oreshnik.” The tests were successful, and the launch goal was achieved. One of the largest industrial complexes known since the days of the Soviet Union, which still produces missile equipment and other weapons today, was hit in the city of Dnepropetrovsk in Ukraine.
We are developing intermediate-range and shorter-range missiles as a response to United States plans to produce and deploy intermediate-range and shorter-range missiles in Europe and the Asia-Pacific region. We believe that the United States made a mistake by unilaterally destroying the Treaty on the Elimination of Intermediate-Range and Shorter-Range Missiles in 2019 under far-fetched pretexts. Today, the United States not only produces such equipment, but, as we can see, during the training of its troops, it has practiced the deployment of its advanced missile systems to different regions of the world, including Europe. Moreover, in the course of the exercises, they are conducting drills on their use.
Let me remind you that Russia has voluntarily and unilaterally committed itself not to deploy medium-range and shorter-range missiles as long as American weapons of this kind do not appear in any region of the world.
I repeat: We are conducting live tests of the Oreshnik missile system in response to the aggressive actions of NATO countries against Russia. The question of further deployment of medium- and shorter-range missiles will be decided by us depending on the actions of the United States and its satellites.
We will determine the targets for further tests of our newest missile systems on the basis of threats to the security of the Russian Federation. We consider ourselves entitled to use our weapons against the military facilities of those countries that allow the use of their weapons against our facilities, and in case of escalation of aggressive actions we will respond with the same decisive and mirror-like response. I recommend that the ruling elites of those countries that are hatching plans to use their military contingents against Russia should also seriously consider this.
Of course, when selecting targets for systems such as Oreshnik on Ukrainian territory in case of necessity and as a response, we will proactively invite civilians and also ask citizens of friendly States who are there to leave the danger zones. We will do this for humanitarian reasons - openly, publicly, without fear of opposition from the enemy, who is also receiving this information.
Why without fear? Because there are no means of countering such weapons today. Missiles attack targets at a speed of Mach 10, which is 2.5-3 kilometers per second. The modern air defense systems available in the world and the missile defense systems being created by the Americans in Europe cannot intercept such missiles, it is impossible.
I emphasize once again that it is not Russia, but the United States that has destroyed the system of international security and, continuing to fight and cling to its hegemony, is pushing the entire world towards a global conflict.
We have always preferred and are now ready to resolve all disputes by peaceful means. But we are also ready for any development of events.
If anyone still doubts this, it is in vain - there will always be an response.
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the watcher
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You warmongers better think about what you wish for. The warghasm you want might not end up with a happy ending.
the watcher
Diamond Member
I think that there a lot of people that don't really know what our 'government' is capable of, or they just don't want to accept it. Hell, they don't even know who it is. It's getting serious now: Putin responds with hypersonic missile launch and warns there will be more coming
Litwin
Diamond Member
Litwin
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- in the early 1990s of Muscovite silos flooding with water, although those eyewitness accounts are 30+ years old. That combined with limited money and high corruption means that a huge chunk of them either don't work or aren't as effective and reliable.
- 75-90% of Muscovite's
nukes in storage don't work. Most of them are literally waiting to be disarmed.
Russia has failed a test of the RS-28 Sarmat ballistic missile
Russia failed new tests of the RS-28 Sarmat intercontinental ballistic missile
mil.in.ua
the watcher
Diamond Member
I think it would be a mistake to confuse restraint from cowardice. Russia lost 40 million in ww2 and probably don't wish more devastation like you apparently do. There will be no "winners" if this continues.
I hope there's some secret diplomacy going on, but I seriously have my doubts.
coward
I hope there's some secret diplomacy going on, but I seriously have my doubts.
gipper
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Except that our lame duck president and his neocon cabinet seem to want nuclear war.
Litwin
Diamond Member
economist Stepan Demura reviled this to the Muscovites (couple of years ago) , FSB visited him and forced him to take his words back . And he did it, quote clumsy..... FSB have removed this Stepan Demura ´s interview from internet , you can´t find it anymore .Stepan Gennadievich Demura is a famous Moscow financial and stock market analyst, teacher, and trader. Date of birth: August 12, 1967, Moscow. In 1993, he graduated from the Moscow Institute of Physics and Technology with a degree in Rocket Engineer and the University of Chicago with a PhD in applied mathematics.
Deadstick
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