Rikurzhen
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I honestly believe that you don't understand your opponent's position. Because you don't understand his position and because his position doesn't align with your position you conclude that he's ill-informed. I've seen people like you many times and will it come as a surprise to you to know that you're actually the one who is ill-informed?
People on the Right get informed of the Left's positions by Network TV News, by all major news media, by experts form universities, etc. We ingest all of this, just like you, and then we, unlike you, also get additional information which is suppressed by liberal ideological filters and doesn't see the light of day in liberal media. Often times this additional information is significant enough to invalidate the conclusions reached by liberals, hence the desire to keep it unacknowledged.
Some will focus on the illegal versus legal issue and really mean it, some will focus on that as a proxy for race and others will flat out argue that race is hugely important to the cohesion of a society.
I have friends whose parents immigrated. To a man, my friends with parents from the Ukraine, from Poland, from Finland are wholly Americanized. When they talk about George Washington or Daniel Boone or Davy Crockett or figures from the Old West, they're talking about THEIR PEOPLE. This is their history. It doesn't matter that their ancestors were still in Europe when all that history was being made, they've abandoned the history of their ancestors and jumped right into the skin of American history.
Meanwhile, I know 3rd, 4th, and 5th Generation Hispanics who are still focused on Mexico, still focused on what transpired between Mexico and Texas. They don't see George Washington as their own - he's some gringo that doesn't speak for them. What we see instead is this in the Texas School Book Controversy:
Efforts by Hispanic board members to include more Latino figures as role models for the states large Hispanic population were consistently defeated
I don't recall very seeing the Ukrainian-American community having a conniption because textbooks aren't being rewritten to sing the praises of minor Ukrainian-Americans in our history. What we see from Hispanics are efforts to raise the profile of minor Hispanic figures like Dolores Huerta who cofounded the UFW union to a major role in American history. Even within the history of the labor movement, the United Farm Workers union was inconsequential compared to the history being made by the Teamsters and the AFL-CIO and such. There is no reason to revise American history to elevate minor Mexican-American figures into ones of major consequence. The only rational to do this is to appeal to Hispanic Americans, to give them someone they can find inspiration from. This is such an offensive concept because it splits Hispanics apart even more and does so on the basis of a lie - we have to lie about American history in order for them to feel connected to America. I don't need that deceit and headache. It's simply easier to let some Lithuanian immigrate, shed her Lithuanian heritage and have her children become so American that they see George Washington as their ancestor.
When you introduce immigrants who can't actually become Americans and who instead demand that America change and revise its own history in order to make room for "their people" then you never really do get an American people, instead you get an American people and a number of "their people" groups.
They're not the problem. They come from a First world country, they're not going to be a burden on the public, they don't get any special privileges. Right now, today, a Hispanic immigrant, legal or illegal, who applies to a university will get special privileges that the children coming from families with a 300 year history in the US won't get.
That Irish illegal immigrant will quickly become an American and we don't have to compromise American culture or history in order to fit him in. Within a generation his children will be at the American mean on a number of metrics. Hispanic-Americans, after 4 generations are still a drag on America. While 45.1% of Americans have some form of post-High School degree only 9.6% of 4th Generation Mexican-Americans can claim the same.
Those white illegal immigrants are NOT a problem except for the fact that they're breaking immigration law.
Look, I get where you're coming from, which is a place of idealism, and that idealism expresses the position that race SHOULD NOT matter. That's a fine place to hold IF ALL ELSE IS EQUAL. The problem is that all else is not equal. Now what? How much suffering are you willing to impose on your fellow Americans before you will bend on your principle? And make no mistake about it, you are imposing COSTS, both fiscal and social, on your fellow Americans by not bending on your principle that race should not matter, for it clearly does matter.
