CDZ Second Amendment Rights Must be Complete and Uncondional!

[Donald H]

There can be no restrictions on any person's right to buy or sell any guns or any number of guns they choose.
This could present risks to society in America but the risks need to be accepted as necessary for the upholding of the intent of the 2nd. amendment. If any American objects to the sacred rights as stated by the 2nd. amendment then they have the option of purchasing their own weapons with which to defend themselves from harm.

The extreme example: A person released from prison who has murdered with his gun has the right to walk straight across the street from the prison and purchase a gun or guns. The only thing stopping him would be a background check being required to purchase a gun.

On the surface it could seem to be counter-productive to a peaceful society. It might be but there is no legitimate means to stop him unless the 2nd. amendment's unconditional rights are infringed upon.

And so for those who are hesitant to accept the full and complete rights as spelled out by their 2nd. amendment, is there any possible law that could be enacted that could curtail the ex-criminal's rights?

I say there is none! The 2nd. amendment isn't open for compromise for any reason or for any socialist cause.

Opinions?

 

[Anomalism]

Opinions?

They're gonna get the guns eventually.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

The Second Amendment also says well regulated, which mean reasonable restrictions are allowed, which even Justice Scalia acknowledged in the decision of Heller v D.C. The ongoing issue is what is considered to be reasonable.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Opinions?

They're gonna get the guns eventually.

Who is again?

 

[Anomalism]

Opinions?

They're gonna get the guns eventually.

Who is again?

The government. They'll win. It'll be like in Europe eventually.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

The Second Amendment also says well regulated, which mean reasonable restrictions are allowed, which even Justice Scalia acknowledged in the decision of Heller v D.C. The ongoing issue is what is considered to be reasonable.

Yeah sure,, well regulated...Man you have some real issues with definitions.

“A well regulated militia” would mean a group of people that are capable of fighting for a common cause. Well regulated means to be in good condition or to be well kept. A militia is a group of fighters with a common goal.

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Notice where it doesnt say regulated weapons?

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Opinions?

They're gonna get the guns eventually.

Who is again?

The government. They'll win. It'll be like in Europe eventually.

Oh you mean like this Europe. Got it...

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Well regulated means to be in good condition or to be well kept.

Which also means trained, so do you find it a violation of the Second Amendment to demand people have a permit to carry proving their shooting skills are "in good condition" and "well kept?"

 

[Anomalism]

Opinions?

They're gonna get the guns eventually.

Who is again?

The government. They'll win. It'll be like in Europe eventually.

Oh you mean like this Europe. Got it...

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I am a supporter of the 2nd. I'm just a realist too.

 

[Concerned American]

There can be no restrictions on any person's right to buy or sell any guns or any number of guns they choose.
This could present risks to society in America but the risks need to be accepted as necessary for the upholding of the intent of the 2nd. amendment. If any American objects to the sacred rights as stated by the 2nd. amendment then they have the option of purchasing their own weapons with which to defend themselves from harm.

The extreme example: A person released from prison who has murdered with his gun has the right to walk straight across the street from the prison and purchase a gun or guns. The only thing stopping him would be a background check being required to purchase a gun.

On the surface it could seem to be counter-productive to a peaceful society. It might be but there is no legitimate means to stop him unless the 2nd. amendment's unconditional rights are infringed upon.

And so for those who are hesitant to accept the full and complete rights as spelled out by their 2nd. amendment, is there any possible law that could be enacted that could curtail the ex-criminal's rights?

I say there is none! The 2nd. amendment isn't open for compromise for any reason or for any socialist cause.

Opinions?

Felons forfeit their rights to own guns--or even possess them when they commit the crime.

 

[Auld Phart]

Well Regulated refers to the Militia, no effect on the Right of the People to keep and Bear arms.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Well regulated means to be in good condition or to be well kept.

Which also means trained, so do you find it a violation of the Second Amendment to demand people have a permit to carry proving their shooting skills are "in good condition" and "well kept?"

Do you have any idea about concealed carry? What it takes to earn that title? In Florida it usually takes 2 months to have your conceal license issued but being a veteran the process was sped up to 2 weeks. But then again, i already had a Utah CC and Virginia CC before i had my Florida one.

 

[Donald H]

Felons forfeit their rights to own guns--or even possess them when they commit the crime.

Yes, we know that, but the law can't be applied when there are no background checks in place. And so all the convicted gun murderer must do is keep a straight face when he buys his gun.

Did you have something in mind that could stop the murderer from getting his gun, or indeed a truckload of AR-15's?

I can think of dozens of ways but they would all be infringements on 2nd. amendment rights.

 

[there4eyeM]

This is precisely the attitude that will beget exactly what it protests against.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Well regulated means to be in good condition or to be well kept.

Which also means trained, so do you find it a violation of the Second Amendment to demand people have a permit to carry proving their shooting skills are "in good condition" and "well kept?"

Do you have any idea about concealed carry? What it takes to earn that title? In Florida it usually takes 2 months to have your conceal license issued but being a veteran the process was sped up to 2 weeks. But then again, i already had a Utah CC and Virginia CC before i had my Florida one.

I do. I own five guns, have a concealed carry permit for my state of Nevada and I too have the Utah permit. My brother has around 40 to 50 guns, but he's also a cop and kind of nuts.

So back to my question, do you find the requirement of some states to have a permit to carry concealed an infringement of the 2A?

 

[Donald H]

Well regulated means to be in good condition or to be well kept.

Which also means trained, so do you find it a violation of the Second Amendment to demand people have a permit to carry proving their shooting skills are "in good condition" and "well kept?"

Do you have any idea about concealed carry? What it takes to earn that title? In Florida it usually takes 2 months to have your conceal license issued but being a veteran the process was sped up to 2 weeks. But then again, i already had a Utah CC and Virginia CC before i had my Florida one.

What the hell are you babbling on about. Are you unable to address the topic of this thread?

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Felons forfeit their rights to own guns--or even possess them when they commit the crime.

Yes, we know that, but the law can't be applied when there are no background checks in place. And so all the convicted gun murderer must do is keep a straight face when he buys his gun.

Did you have something in mind that could stop the murderer from getting his gun, or indeed a truckload of AR-15's?

I can think of dozens of ways but they would all be infringements on 2nd. amendment rights.

Have you ever purchased a firearm at a gun dealer or gun show?


Do you think that background checks are done to criminals who bring guns across the southern border?

Are you this Congresswoman from Texas?

 

[ding]

There can be no restrictions on any person's right to buy or sell any guns or any number of guns they choose.
This could present risks to society in America but the risks need to be accepted as necessary for the upholding of the intent of the 2nd. amendment. If any American objects to the sacred rights as stated by the 2nd. amendment then they have the option of purchasing their own weapons with which to defend themselves from harm.

The extreme example: A person released from prison who has murdered with his gun has the right to walk straight across the street from the prison and purchase a gun or guns. The only thing stopping him would be a background check being required to purchase a gun.

On the surface it could seem to be counter-productive to a peaceful society. It might be but there is no legitimate means to stop him unless the 2nd. amendment's unconditional rights are infringed upon.

And so for those who are hesitant to accept the full and complete rights as spelled out by their 2nd. amendment, is there any possible law that could be enacted that could curtail the ex-criminal's rights?

I say there is none! The 2nd. amendment isn't open for compromise for any reason or for any socialist cause.

Opinions?

But didn't you say you want to ban and confiscate all guns?

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Well regulated means to be in good condition or to be well kept.

Which also means trained, so do you find it a violation of the Second Amendment to demand people have a permit to carry proving their shooting skills are "in good condition" and "well kept?"

Do you have any idea about concealed carry? What it takes to earn that title? In Florida it usually takes 2 months to have your conceal license issued but being a veteran the process was sped up to 2 weeks. But then again, i already had a Utah CC and Virginia CC before i had my Florida one.

What the hell are you babbling on about. Are you unable to address the topic of this thread?

Dude if you cant follow the conversation, then just get out..

 

[Concerned American]

Felons forfeit their rights to own guns--or even possess them when they commit the crime.

Yes, we know that, but the law can't be applied when there are no background checks in place. And so all the convicted gun murderer must do is keep a straight face when he buys his gun.

Did you have something in mind that could stop the murderer from getting his gun, or indeed a truckload of AR-15's?

I can think of dozens of ways but they would all be infringements on 2nd. amendment rights.

So tattoo a 2" x 2" "F" on a felon's forehead and leave everyone else's rights alone. Background checks and waiting periods are infringements as are CC permits. The word permit, on its face is an infringement as the government cannot "permit" a right that is God-given.