Should the Federal Reserve be abolished?

Should the Fed be Abolished?


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Dividing each of the top 4 U.S. banks assets to derivative holdings, we have the following percentages:

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Starting with the best of the worst Zombie Banks, Blank of America has a 3.9% asset to derivatives ratio, while JP Morgue’n comes in second with 3%, Citicorpse follows third at 2.2% and Goldman Sacked places dead last with a pathetic 0.2%.
 
And then it gets deposited again, and they can make loans again at the same fractional rate. They can do this for every single deposit. Time and time again. Which multiplies the loans. Which is part of the video you ignore.

It's wrong.

The assets of a bank must equal the liabilities and equity. Assets are loans and other securities. Liabilities are deposits and other sources of funding.

Fractional banking refers to loans to reserves, not loans to deposits. Reserves include equity. They don't refer to deposits.

It's basic Banking 101.
 
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I did a most simplified simulation of 3/25 fractional-reserve banking on commercial banking level (ie. not printing any money) using natural language.
$1000 Deposit of notes in a commercial bank by Depositer(s) 1. Depositer(s) 1. is now keeping $1000 of his bills in the bank A.
$120 of the bills kept in the vault and $880 invested out.
Borrower(s) 1. borrows the $880 from the bank A thus he is now in debt to the bank A by $880.
Borrower(s) 1. now spends irresponsibly all the money.
All the money ends up in bank B by Depositer(s) 2. Depositer(s) 2. is now keeping $880 of his bills in the bank B.
Bank B now keeps $106 in vault and invests $774.
Borrower(s) 2. borrows the $774 from the bank B thus he is now in debt to the bank B by $774.
Borrower(s) 2. now spends irresponsibly all the money.
All the money ends up in bank C by Depositer(s) 3. Depositer(s) 3. is now keeping $774 of his bills in the bank C.
Bank C now keeps $93 in vault and invests $681.
Borrower(s) 3. borrows the $681 from the bank C thus he is now in debt to the bank C by $681
Borrower(s) 3. Decides to stuff all the money inside his pillow.
Now let's review the situation.
Depositer(s) 1. has the right to raise $1000 from bank A. Depositer(s) 2. has the right to raise $880 from bank B. Depositer(s) 3. has the right to raise $774 from bank C.
Borrower(s) 1. is in debt to bank A by $880 plus interest. Borrower(s) 2. is in debt to bank B by $774 plus interest. Borrower(s) 3. is in debt to bank C by $681 plus interest.
Bank A has $120 in vault. Bank B has $106 in vault. Bank C has $93 in vault.
There is $318,528 of the original money in the banks A, B and C. There is $681,472 of the original money inside the pillow of Borrower(s) 3.
Has the money supply increased? No.
Yes, the money supply has increased - it is now more than $1000. The money supply consists of both notes and coins in circulation and bank deposits (this is in simplest terms - there are various technical definitions of money supply, some of which also include savings accounts and other assets with longer maturities)
- Gandalf61 17:24, Jan 2, 2004 (UTC)

What is the most central reason to the Wall Street Crash happening? Banks practised massive fractional-reserve banking, everyone took loan over loan and society seemed to be in a massive boom, new businesses etc. Then suddenly banks increased interest rates and stopped loaning money. Of course businesses went down, people lost their jobs and banks made a fortune. Here's the "natural business cycle" than banks so advertise they are trying to eliminate!
 

Thanks for the example of banks lending less than deposits.
The opposite of creating money out of thin air.

LOL

And then it gets deposited again, and they can make loans again at the same fractional rate. They can do this for every single deposit. Time and time again. Which multiplies the loans. Which is part of the video you ignore.

Riddle me this.............Goldman Sachs has assets at about 114 BILLION..........But derivatives of around 48 TRILLION. They don't have jack in assets to back up their bets............Tell me that isn't BS..............


And then it gets deposited again, and they can make loans again at the same fractional rate. They can do this for every single deposit. Time and time again.

Absolutely! And when you look at every bank, they've got more deposits then loans.
If they could create money out of thin air, that wouldn't be the case.

Goldman Sachs has assets at about 114 BILLION..........But derivatives of around 48 TRILLION

Big difference between face value and notional.
 
Should the Federal Reserve be abolished?

The FED (Federal Reserve Bank) is a Commercial Privately Owned Bank

WHY THE FED SHOULD BE ABOLISHED

1. The US Congress has the option to buy back the FED at $450 millions (per Congressional Records). When the Congress does this, it will own back the billions of US Government Bonds held by the FED. The US Government will actually PROFIT by buying back the FED! Also, the US government no longer has to pay interests to the FED owners on those bonds.

2. Through their ownerships in the FED, FOREIGN POWERS CAN and WILL influence the US economy. By controlling our interest rates and money supply, they can actually create economic disaster in the US , should the US disagree with them.

3. Although the FED directors must be confirmed by the Senate, the awesome lobbying power of the FED owners makes this process meaningless. The owners of the FED can and will put whoever they wish in the position.

4. Abolishing the FED will lead to lower inflation. At this moment, the FED prints as much money as needed to buy the US Government Bonds. Since the FED prints this MONEY out of THIN AIR, this leads to an INCREASE of MONEY SUPPLY, WITHOUT increase in GOODS/SERVICES. This, as all of us know it, leads to INFLATION.

If the general public buy those bonds with money that they EARNED by providing GOODS/SERVICES, the money supply level is contant in relation to the goods/services level. Thus, there is no inflationary pressure from selling these bonds. 5. Abolishing the FED will reduce the national debt level. By buying back the FED at $450 millions, the US Government will buy back the billions of dollars of bonds held by the FED. Thus, the net effect is a reduction in national debt. After buying back the FED, the US Government does not have to pay interest on those bonds it buys back, further reducing the national debt.

6. Abolishing the FED will lead to eventual balance budget. Today, even if the US Economy only grows by a meager 2% per year, the US Government should be able to put 2% of US-GDP dollars into circulation WITHOUT INFLATION.

Consider, if the goods/services grow by 2% and the money supply grows by 2%, the ratio of goods/services vs. money supply remains constant. Thus, no inflation is created.

The government can use this extra money supply to fund its project without raising taxes.
As long as the government does not print money more than the goods and services available in the US , there will be no inflationary pressures.
This had in fact been done with Executive Order 11110 of President Kennedy. Kennedy ordered the Treasury Dept. to print a US GOVERNMENT NOTES (vs. FEDERAL RESERVE NOTES). In effect, Kennedy bypassed the FED by making the Treasury Department printed REAL US MONEY, instead of selling bonds to the FED for almost free.

The sad fact is, the US Government does not do this anymore. Instead, the US Government sell bonds to the FED, which buys those bonds using money they don't earn. Thus, the US Government must now pay interest on those money that it "borrows" from the FED.

7. By point (6) above, the US Government can actually reduce taxes on everybody since it has more interest free money to spent in the amount equal to the growth of the US GDP. KEEP IN MIND, THIS MONEY WILL NOT CAUSE INFLATION, since the money is printed along with the growth of the goods and services.

What you can do to save the United States of AmericaThe FED should either be AUDITTED every year, or be abolished. I have done my part providing this information. It is up to you to decide the future of the US economy. Please do the followings:
Before the Federal Reserve was created in 1913, there were over 30,000 different currencies floating around in the United States. Currency could be issued by almost anyone -- even drug stores issued their own notes. There were many problems that stemmed from this, including the fact that some currencies were worth more than others. Before the Fed was created, banks were collapsing and the economy swung wildly from one extreme to the next. The faith Americans had in the banking system was not very strong. This is why the Fed was created and most of us don't want to go back to the good old days of freewheeling money barons. There are certainly problems with central banking but the alternative is worse.
HowStuffWorks "How the Fed Works"
 
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Before the Federal Reserve was created in 1913, there were over 30,000 different currencies floating around in the United States. Currency could be issued by almost anyone -- even drug stores issued their own notes. There were many problems that stemmed from this, including the fact that some currencies were worth more than others. Before the Fed was created, banks were collapsing and the economy swung wildly from one extreme to the next. The faith Americans had in the banking system was not very strong. This is why the Fed was created and most of us don't want to go back to the good old days of freewheeling money barons. There are certainly problems with central banking but the alternative is worse.
HowStuffWorks "How the Fed Works"


BULLSHIT


Only a retard would say that paper is better than gold and silver.

Assuming that Walgreens a private entity was issuing its own currency then it will VOLUNTARILY used by those who chose to do so . Those currencies will not cause nationwide depressions.

The ONLY problem that existed then was that the Congresscritters did not have an elastic currency which would allow it to create a warfare/welfare state.

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Before the Federal Reserve was created in 1913, there were over 30,000 different currencies floating around in the United States. Currency could be issued by almost anyone -- even drug stores issued their own notes. There were many problems that stemmed from this, including the fact that some currencies were worth more than others. Before the Fed was created, banks were collapsing and the economy swung wildly from one extreme to the next. The faith Americans had in the banking system was not very strong. This is why the Fed was created and most of us don't want to go back to the good old days of freewheeling money barons. There are certainly problems with central banking but the alternative is worse.
HowStuffWorks "How the Fed Works"


BULLSHIT


Only a retard would say that paper is better than gold and silver.

Assuming that Walgreens a private entity was issuing its own currency then it will VOLUNTARILY used by those who chose to do so . Those currencies will not cause nationwide depressions.

The ONLY problem that existed then was that the Congresscritters did not have an elastic currency which would allow it to create a warfare/welfare state.

.

Assuming that Walgreens a private entity was issuing its own currency then it will VOLUNTARILY used by those who chose to do so .

You get paid in Walgreen's notes. You try to pay your rent but your landlord doesn't accept Walgreen notes. What do you do now?
 
Before the Federal Reserve was created in 1913, there were over 30,000 different currencies floating around in the United States. Currency could be issued by almost anyone -- even drug stores issued their own notes. There were many problems that stemmed from this, including the fact that some currencies were worth more than others. Before the Fed was created, banks were collapsing and the economy swung wildly from one extreme to the next. The faith Americans had in the banking system was not very strong. This is why the Fed was created and most of us don't want to go back to the good old days of freewheeling money barons. There are certainly problems with central banking but the alternative is worse.
HowStuffWorks "How the Fed Works"


BULLSHIT


Only a retard would say that paper is better than gold and silver.

Assuming that Walgreens a private entity was issuing its own currency then it will VOLUNTARILY used by those who chose to do so . Those currencies will not cause nationwide depressions.

The ONLY problem that existed then was that the Congresscritters did not have an elastic currency which would allow it to create a warfare/welfare state.

.

Assuming that Walgreens a private entity was issuing its own currency then it will VOLUNTARILY used by those who chose to do so .

You get paid in Walgreen's notes. You try to pay your rent but your landlord doesn't accept Walgreen notes. What do you do now?

Firstly, let me say that the private currency issue is pure fiction.

But assuming, for argument's sake that private entities were issuing their own currency then It would behoove you to ascertain that you can use the same as tender.
 
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Yes, it's all very nice to point out the crucial flaw in the system, and it should have been done sixty years ago while it could have been managed with out societal collapse. However, at this point, it is probably the only thing holding the whole charade together. This is why the globalist police state elites are now so brazen about their abuse of power. They have created a trap. The only way to kick them out now involves people losing their shopping malls, American Idol, their food stamps and their NFL. Not many want to go with out bread and circuses.
 
So. . . . . the whole discussion is academic at this point.
 

BULLSHIT


Only a retard would say that paper is better than gold and silver.

Assuming that Walgreens a private entity was issuing its own currency then it will VOLUNTARILY used by those who chose to do so . Those currencies will not cause nationwide depressions.

The ONLY problem that existed then was that the Congresscritters did not have an elastic currency which would allow it to create a warfare/welfare state.

.

Assuming that Walgreens a private entity was issuing its own currency then it will VOLUNTARILY used by those who chose to do so .

You get paid in Walgreen's notes. You try to pay your rent but your landlord doesn't accept Walgreen notes. What do you do now?

Firstly, let me say that the private currency issue is pure fiction.

But assuming, for argument's sake that private entities were issuing their own currency then It would behoove you to ascertain that you can use the same as tender.

Firstly, let me say that the private currency issue is pure fiction.

Fiction? There were hundreds of private issuers in the 1800s.

Who is allowed to issue money in the United States? The founding fathers made it clear that the power to create money would not be taken lightly. Their experiences with money and inflation during the Revolutionary War made them wary of paper money and conscious of the power wielded by those authorized to create it. They gave Congress the right to issue money and forbade the states from doing so. But the federal government isn’t the only entity that has, in practice, issued money. Private citizens and private companies have, too.

In the 1800s, for example, much of the country’s paper currency consisted of notes issued by private banks. Nowadays, commercial banks don’t print their own notes, but they create money just the same—in the form of checking accounts. People and companies other than banks have also occasionally seen the need to create their own forms of money.


Private Money in Our Past, Present, and Future :: Bruce Champ :: Economic Commentary :: 01.01.07 :: Federal Reserve Bank of Cleveland

1836 State Bank Notes
With minimum regulation, a proliferation of 1,600 local state-chartered, private banks now issued paper money. State bank notes, with over 30,000 varieties of color and design, were easily counterfeited. That, along with bank failures, caused confusion and circulation problems.


History of US Paper Money

It would behoove you to ascertain that you can use the same as tender.

If your employer pays in one and your bank, grocery store and gas station only accept 3 different ones, you can behoove all you want, but how are you gonna pay your bills?
 
Yes, it's all very nice to point out the crucial flaw in the system, and it should have been done sixty years ago while it could have been managed with out societal collapse. However, at this point, it is probably the only thing holding the whole charade together. This is why the globalist police state elites are now so brazen about their abuse of power. They have created a trap. The only way to kick them out now involves people losing their shopping malls, American Idol, their food stamps and their NFL. Not many want to go with out bread and circuses.
True. Although there is ample evidence that fed management of the economy has been beatification, 1 depression and 22 recessions versus 6 depression and 44 recessions in the hundred years prior to fed, there is no way of knowing how well the economy would have done without central management.

This discussion is of course purely academic since there is no way congress is going to abolish the Federal Reserve. Even disregarding the facts that no major economy in the world operates without central banking, there wouldn't be enough goal to back US currencies, and abolishing the fed would create a worldwide monetary crisis, we are left with the issue of confidence. My guess is that most people would feel far more confident in currency backed by the United States government despite it's growing debt than J.P Morgan Chase. Replacing Washington on the dollar with J.P. probably wouldn't sit well with the American people.
 

BULLSHIT


Only a retard would say that paper is better than gold and silver.

Assuming that Walgreens a private entity was issuing its own currency then it will VOLUNTARILY used by those who chose to do so . Those currencies will not cause nationwide depressions.

The ONLY problem that existed then was that the Congresscritters did not have an elastic currency which would allow it to create a warfare/welfare state.

.

Assuming that Walgreens a private entity was issuing its own currency then it will VOLUNTARILY used by those who chose to do so .

You get paid in Walgreen's notes. You try to pay your rent but your landlord doesn't accept Walgreen notes. What do you do now?

Firstly, let me say that the private currency issue is pure fiction.

But assuming, for argument's sake that private entities were issuing their own currency then It would behoove you to ascertain that you can use the same as tender.
In the United States, the Free Banking Era lasted between 1837 and 1866, when almost anyone could issue paper money. States, municipalities, private banks, railroad and construction companies, stores, restaurants, churches and individuals printed an estimated 8,000 different monies by 1860. If an issuer went bankrupt, closed, left town, or otherwise went out of business the note would be worthless.

Without the government blessing that the currency can be used, "For All Debts Public and Private" acceptance of a private currency would depend on the faith one had in the institution issuing it. Today, US currency is the unofficially world currency. It is accepted in every country on the face the earth including North Korea and Cuba.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_currency
 
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There is only one authority that has the legal power to issue currency, and it has surrendered it to a private authority. That is congress.

Congress gets to do two things in return. Appoint the leader of that body from candidates that body selects, and Congress gets to listen to the Reserve give a prepared report on how that body plans to manipulate and control the economy so that it, it's family, friends, co-workers and the political elites, congress, D.C. and the political elites in the nation can drain as much productive wealth from the nation, as soon as possible, before the whole system collapses and it has to be handed over to the UN, IMF and converted to SDR's.

But that will take an emergency, an Amendment to the constitution, and some sort of collapse. So, till then it will just have to get shittier and shittier. How about we just turn the thread into a DOOM PAUL thread now?

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30 to 12. It seems most people here understand that the Federal Reserve is part of the problem.

The purpose of this poll was to see where people stand on this issue.

I thank all of those who voted on the poll.
 

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